#bts fandom discourse

[reflections-in-a-critical-eye]

Since when is Bada Lee dance for "real men" and contemporary for "wannabe women".

Sometimes I wish the tweets would also show me the age and country of the person tweeting. Coz stan twitter is getting ridiculous with their bs.

Well, that's incredibly offensive and I think a lot of us know very well the category of people who would say this. Unfortunately, large sections of some kpop fandoms and in this case, a specific group of shippers within army are known for their internalized misogyny and homophobic views and they have no issue in expressing that because there is no such thing as a consequence anymore. Not only that, it is more rampant and more rewarding on X ever since likes are private.

[jeonscatalyst]

I normally don’t involve myself in the politics of this fandom, but everything that has unfolded over the past few days has left me utterly dumbfounded.

Anyone who refuses to acknowledge that this fandom has always treated Jimin differently is either extremely obtuse or simply unwilling to accept what is right before their eyes.

Before these AMA nominations, Namjoon had been nominated for numerous fan-voted awards, yet this same fandom never bothered to lift a finger for him, forget about awards, they don’t even care to stream Namjoon’s music. Now, they claim they want to rally behind Namjoon because they already “gave” Jimin a Daesang….but let’s be honest here.

Back then, Jimin was never the chosen one. The so-called agreement was that the fandom would rally behind whoever had the highest chance of winning and it just so happened to be Jimin. Even then, the majority of the fandom was against voting for him. During the TMA Popularity Award, when both Jimin and Yoongi were nominated and had the highest chances of winning, this same fandom chose to vote for Yoongi and were angry when Jimin emerged as the winner. So, my question is: when has Jimin ever truly been the fandom’s chosen one?

Let me be clear-I have no issue with people wanting Namjoon to win. He absolutely deserves it. He has deserved so many wins in the past that the fandom failed to show up for.

Where I take issue is with the sudden urgency this fandom has now found and, unfortunately, it is not driven by pure intentions. Eighty percent of the people rallying are not doing so because they believe Namjoon deserves this win; they are doing it because they do not want Jimin to win. I can bet my last dollar that if Namjoon were up against any other member even Jungkook or Taehyung who are part of the maknae line, we would not be seeing this frenzy.

There’s another fan-voted award happening right now where Namjoon is losing. If this push were genuinely about supporting him, they would be rallying there too. But they’re not because Jimin isn’t competing in that category.

Namjoon winning this award would be a beautiful and deserved moment. For years, he carried BTS on his back, shielding the group and members even when he himself was just a kid. His music style may not be the most crowd-pleasing, but he is undeniably talented and gifted. He deserves this win and many more to come.

Jimin deserves a win too. And if only people knew how to recognize that both are deserving without throwing shade at either, we would be in a much better place.

The reality is: winning for Namjoon would be wonderful, but the intentions behind pushing for his win are tainted. If you are only trying to get someone to win because you want the other person to lose, are you really doing it for them….. or for yourself? And the danger of acting out of spite is that you lack true commitment and passion.

I had to chuckle when I saw certain solo fandoms suddenly rallying for Namjoon. It’s honestly laughable because everyone including Namjoon-biased ARMYs and solos…..knows those other solos couldn’t care less about Namjoon.

The only reason they are participating is because they share a common hatred for Jimin. They don’t truly care whether Namjoon wins or loses…they only care that Jimin doesn’t win.

Any other winner would make them just as happy. Don’t even be surprised if some of them pretend to support Namjoon publicly but then cast their votes for any of the other groups or artist in the same category. It’s truly pathetic behavior.

Some might ask: what did Jimin ever do to this fandom to deserve this treatment, as if he were the fifth member of Blackpink?

The short answer is: NOTHING. He never did anything wrong.

Their real issue with him is that he exceeded the expectations they set for him. Had you told most ARMYs years ago that Jimin would perform the way he does today, they would never have believed it.

The problem with this fandom is that it moves like a cult….and not in a good way. They are rigid and resistant to change. Once they accept a narrative, they refuse to let it evolve.

For instance, it’s widely accepted that Hobi is the best dancer in BTS, and even the members acknowledge this. That’s perfectly fine. But it should never be a reason to harass those who think Jungkook or Jimin or others are better dancers.

People have different tastes.

I personally think Hobi is an incredible dancer, but I prefer Jungkook’s dance style the most, with Jimin as a close second. Does that make me any less of an ARMY or a Hobi hater? No. And for the record, Hobi is one of my top three favorite members….he’s my bias wrecker.

This fandom spent years labeling Jimin as only the third most popular member because they cling to their narratives, refusing to allow space for growth. When Jimin surpassed their expectations, they resented him for it, because they had already assigned him a place, and they didn’t want him to step beyond it. To them, he already has more awards than they ever thought he should have….so now they believe it’s their job to ensure he doesn’t win any more.

It’s truly sad.

I see some people saying that Jimin-biased fans are being weird or acting like antis because they’re upset at how things are unfolding.

I’m not speaking for solos here, but I think the real issue for Jimin-biased fans is not that people want to celebrate Namjoon but that they are only pushing for his win because they don’t want Jimin to have it.

That’s what frustrates me and many others.

And let’s not even start on how shady people have been toward Jimin especially those proudly yelling “we gave him a Daesang” when they didn’t even vote for him in the first place.

It’s perfectly fine to rally behind Namjoon and give him the win he deserves but let it be because you believe in his talent and contributions, not because you want to stop someone else from winning. Otherwise, your motivation is hollow and ironically, it only pushes Jimin-biased voters to work even harder, if only to ensure that Namjoon doesn’t win either.

I know change doesn’t happen overnight, but this fandom needs to stop behaving like a cult and start allowing people to think and act for themselves.

We can be united and support all the members while recognizing that not everyone has to see or do things the same way. Disagreeing with the majority doesn’t make someone an anti of the group or of any particular member.

[shortnbuckley]

happy pride to everyone in 9-1-1 but t*mmy

[adhdevankinard]

Ik I’m late to the conversation about the 911 kitchen scene filming incident, but one thing that needs to be pointed out is that film sets, even ones without stunts, can be physically dangerous.

A bit of lore, but for three years in college, I worked as a floor manager and then producer/director of the campus news station, which was a mid-sized filming studio. While it’s not the exact same thing as a film set, we used professional-grade cameras, lights, set dressing, props, corded microphones and booms — very similar to film sets.

If you’ve never been on the floor of a studio or film set, a few things to know: Cords are everywhere and easily tripped over. Cameras are big and fucking heavy. It can get very crowded with equipment, set dressing, cast, and crew. This is why the crew needs to be focused on their equipment and the equipment around them. This is why the cast needs to know where the equipment is located during filming. This is why it’s so important that the cast and crew know the blocking for filming and know what to expect in a scene.

I have no idea if the director told the crew about the change before the scene was filmed and Oliver was the only one in the dark, but even one person being unaware and then reacting suddenly and unexpectedly creates safety concerns for all the reasons I listed above.

The director should absolutely not encourage or approve this type of unpredictability. It is the responsibility of the director to manage a set on the day of filming and the safety of your cast and crew should be top of the fucking mind.

Yes, no one was hurt during the filming of the kitchen scene. Yes, it might seem like a relatively minor incident, but it highlights a very, very real concern that is bigger than one scene alone. The fact that it happened at all shows that the sets need better management for the safety of the cast and crew because there are very real examples of film sets becoming dangerous.

[mazzystar24]

I hope I can ask you this because I don't want to ask in the tags, I'm scared 🥹 but I've seen a lot of discourse about why tommy isn't good for buck, he's cold, the relationship is toxic etc and I was wondering why people think that? Is there anything specific that started it?

I fully believe eddie is buck's true love, endgame, whatever we want to call it and I'm sad we don't have that (yet) but I thought bucktommy was kinda fun in the meantime. I just want to understand 🫶🏻

Oh hey darling! you were so sweet and genuine in your response so please know I’m just answering what I’m asked and if you wanna enjoy and have fun with bt that is completely your prerogative but I’m just offering my perspective on it

And i am warning you this is gonna be long because I feel a constant need to go really in depth in my thoughts

Okay so idk how I’m gonna break this down but maybe I’ll do it in like main points?

Also if you’re new here whenever I use bullet points I’m just doing it cos I find it easier to chunk up my thoughts not cos I’m being curt or anything with you

1. The chimney and hen begins episodes

He wasnt just passive in the episodes and letting Gerard get away with his racist and misogynistic behaviour he ACTIVELY participated in it

This includes:

• Asking if they forgot to tip the delivery guy WHILE THEY WERE EATING CHINESE FOOD when chimney first comes up despite the fact that 1. Chimney had a big ass lafd bag 2. They were probably already told a probie would be coming 3. Probably would’ve seen the actual delivery guy 4. I would bet my absolute life that question would not have been asked if buck or bobby had walked up those stairs this wasn’t an innocent comment it WAS RACIST intentionally like the entire point of the episode was to show how bad they had it

• the New York bitchiness comment

• throwing his tools down along for hen to clean up

• going out of his way to treat them like outcasts and hating chimney before he even knew him despite chimneys efforts

• the way each of them had to “earn his respect” in some way before he acted like a normal coworker to them and this was never in the typical ‘oh it’s a new person’ type of way it always had to do with their race or in hen’s case her gender too

A defence I see a lot for this is “oh he was closeted” and honestly to me that is such bullshit because 1. Eli was perfectly capable of not participating in the racism and taking chimney under his wing without getting any shit for it and chimney is quite literally a Korean man (something he literally can’t hide) and he had just got his head above water with Gerard’s racism when hen came and he STILL was a friend to her 2. Again tommy wasn’t passive in it and just letting Gerrard be racist (which would’ve been one thing) no he actively participated in it to be part of the boys club 3. Let’s say that somehow not being a dick would’ve meant that that was a threat to the closet he was in- that is still in my opinion a fucked up sense of preservation if you spare yourself the possibility of bigotry (despite having inherent social capital by being a white man in that job) by inflicting others to bigotry

Now when Tommy was first reintroduced I was like keeping an open mind and saying okay it’s been a lot of time and maybe he has genuinely made amends because I do believe in redemption but imo they have made no attempt to show us that and had him honestly put more of the blame on Gerrard for his behaviour or the writers flat out avoiding mentioning it to retcon tommy a little and hope we forget

Another defence I see is “oh chimney and hen became friends with him so they must’ve forgave him”, hen went no contact the moment he left (something the writers went out of their way to include that line) and chimney didn’t even invite him to his wedding which was quite big after the Buckley parents got involved so it’s not like it was cos it was such a small and intimate wedding and he only called him as far as we know in those years when he needed a favor, which all means that most likely they had kinda just put it behind them and kept up a coworker relationship with him, but no actual friendship or actual forgiveness or redemption had taken place

Oh wow all that was just point one and I can probably talk more on it but I’ll just leave it with saying that Lou’s comments about it being teasing or how Tommy genuinely didn’t know hen or chimney were capable etc just makes for a worse case than saying it’s cos of being in the closet (and that is genuinely a large part of why idk much abt Lou but those comments are enough to make me hate him) and I’ll also say that poc (myself included in that) have these situations so often- situations even as specific as gay men being racist to them to fit in - and we understand the nuance and shit to it but we also understand on a deep level how it feels to be on the other side of that

And getting toxic bt fans try to come up with ways to downplay or minimise racism honestly pisses me off so much cos believe you me we have heard every excuse and downplay under the sun and I for one am sick and tired of it

2. Why he’s viewed as cold and his jokes

• literally from the small parts we saw of him and Eddie hanging out we have seen the man is in fact capable of joking and being light and having fun but around buck in particular he’s like 🧍‍♂️😐 and the occasional 🙂 like it just feels very stiff and just plain in a way

• his humour consistently falls flat and feels passive aggressive more than anything like blunt or sardonic humour DOES work like I personally love it but it’s not being written OR executed right

A. It’s always in response to genuine moments or questions such as buck talking abt the award or the daddy kink joke or henren questioning him

B. It’s the the majority of what we see from him, there is not enough balance for it

C. Lack of rapport, when friends or couples make jokes that can come off the wrong way if said to anyone else it’s cos of the rapport built already, this rapport is not established with the characters OR with the audience for these jokes to come off right

D. I gotta say this one too but the execution just isn’t right from writing to acting, it’s the same reason sardonic humour lines from Sandra oh as Cristina Yang or hugh Laurie as house still lets you like the characters and find them funny but Tommys lines come off as annoying to a lot of people

3. I think fandom discourse probably has something to do with it but not in the way you think

I’m not saying like oh ppl who ship buddie just hate him cos of the ship no I’m saying that like what takes him from an annoying disliked character to a hated character is most likely the fact that his role stirred so much drama and caused so much damage to how the fandom used to be that its turned the dial up

4. A lot of his development, lore or redeemable factors or cute things are just not canon

This may be blunt and I am sorry for that but I think his character has been blown up to such a degree that it’s genuinely shocking

Like I look at posts or get sent hate and I’m like where did any of this happen this is just not canon this is just not a show like at times I’m genuinely convinced it’s a social experiment where different ppl saw a different show like some spiderman multiverse situation

Listen I’m all for headcanons genuinely like if you wanna take extra number three and make a whole backstory and lore and cute stuff abt her I’m all for it but it’s when it’s said as if it’s fact or canon that I’m like hold up a second rewind

I think this is kinda a result of Lou’s cameos (which honestly deserves its own post but you asked why the tommy hate so imma stay on topic) and also this like need to defend the character but not having much material to work with

Like if we look at canon we can literally break down the entirety of Tommys appearances this far in the show and what we learn about him:

• chimney begins- he makes a racist comment and he tries to suck up to Gerard, there is a little hint abt his gayness with the gf comment, Eli says to chimney that’s just how they are and tries to reason it could be fear of losing friends but we see tommy having friends in the firehouse while eli says this, chimney tries to make friends with him and tommy makes no attempt to get to know him and says he’d hate him anyways, chimney saves Tommys life thus earning his respect

• hen begins- she’s met with the same racism chimney is but also met with misogyny (and homophobia but that’s not relevant to the tommy of it all), we find out chimney is still isolated from the rest despite having earnt that respect, chimney befriends hen and again tommy still doesn’t try anything like that until hen proves herself and earns his respect, ppl reported Gerard but it’s never actually stated tommy was one of those ppl so again that’s not canon that’s speculated

• bobby begins- chimney and hen both seem to be like coworker friends with tommy and Sal, Sal throws hissy fit bobby “fires” him tommy says it’s an overreaction bobby reveals it was a transfer, they all seem to make nice, tommy leaves to 217

• chimney calls tommy for help and tommy helps

• we see nothing from tommy,then cruise ship he helps the team but also in this we find out hen cut off all contact since he left

• buck takes tour of harbour, Eddie and tommy have a friendship and we find out some of Tommys interests and that he was in the army, basketball scene and the subsequent apology and kiss

• dinner date, Tommy explains how he was in the closet, Buck has his little awkward moment (which will be elaborated on in my next point) , Tommy says nothing abt it till the Uber arrives and he leaves buck

• buck reaches out and apologises and asks for a second chance inviting tommy to the madney wedding

• bachelor party and the issue of the lack of costume and not just taking the day off for neither wedding nor bachelor party (which you can reason is reasonable but also I feel like this deserves its point for the narrative choices)

• tommy shows up straight outta work they kiss buck has the soot coming out award ceremony - buck being happy abt the reward to which tommy sardonically says enjoy it while it lasts enter bigoted cunt gerard then chimney comes and insults gerard and they walk away

• we don’t see tommy again till the dinner date after Bobby nearly died and when buck tries to explain Bobbys significance to his life tommy throws the your dad is still alive which is just honestly one of his worst moments imo and I made a whole post abt it but can’t find it and then we all know the rest of that convo and I could make a bullet point for it but actually I made a whole post before so I’ll link it: here

AND THATS IT

Like all this comes down to what maybe like 30 mins screentime? If that?

5. The leaving buck on their first date

The defences people use for this are:

• buck was trying to shove him back in the closet

• buck was obviously not ready

• people angry abt this are just babying buck like he can find his own way home it’s not that big of a deal

• buck was at fault there and tommy would’ve been justified in being angry and not giving him a second chance

And honestly every last one of these are bullshit imo and lemme go point by point

• buck panicked, I don’t think that what buck was feeling in that moment can be properly described because unless you’re a queer person and you’ve experienced that like bone deep panic that like brain overload then you won’t get it

Like one it’s his first queer date

Two he doesn’t even understand his own sexuality atp

Three his closest friend just walked in in a situation that’s already putting him on edge

So he’s not only panicking he’s not understanding why he’s panicking he’s trying to make excuses eventhough part of him knows he doesn’t need one but also he doesn’t even understand this side of himself yet so he doesn’t want to have to potentially explain it

Like it’s a million things and a million emotions and no one can claim they would behave rationally or appropriately in that situation and if you say that you would you’re lying simple as that

Also then we find out that Eddie thought tommy was straight anyways

• the reason I love the buddie coming out scene is because of Eddie’s “and what do you think” line because it’s not up to tommy or anyone else whether a person is “ready” enough in their queerness to date. Full stop.

Also tommy knew it was Buck’s first date with a man and was still down so why is he using that as some sort of out

•it’s not about babying buck and it’s not about him finding his own way home it’s the fact that Tommy could’ve done it with much more grace and he could’ve been a lot nicer with it but he wasn’t, and this is again bucks first date with a man even if it doesn’t end with a second date it should at the very least not end up with him feeling like a screw up on the side of the road

• to the ppl who say that- kindly shut up cos again see the first point but also I wanna point out that somehow the ppl saying this are also the same ones saying that Tommy was justified to be RACIST for a prolonged period of time due to being in the closet yet Buck what? Panicking for a few seconds and being a little awkward? is somehow this giant inexcusable thing

5. The narrative choices with him have been reasonably clear and tbh if they had been made with a woman it would not be up for debate:

• tommy leaves buck on their first date then he comes back and gives buck a chance- we as a fandom have been unanimous in saying for years that Buck’s endgame would be the one that doesn’t leave him cos this pattern has been something we saw over and over with him

• tommy not dressing up- again you can rationalise it but it’s a narrative choice and it’s glaring when contrasted with Eddie suggesting the duo costume

And if we had this scene with Taylor so many ppl would be saying that it’s once again showing that her and Buck’s personalities don’t align

• him being on standby for the wedding and bachelor party- again you can say oh buck invited him last minute or oh he couldn’t taken the day off (which lbr he could’ve he’s not the only firefighter pilot in la) - but again narrative choice

If it was Taylor everyone would’ve been like SEE? Again they’re showing the audience that her work is this looming presence in their relationship

Anyway I’m gonna shut up now cos this is A LOT

I’m so sorry it took me so long to respond tho and sending flowers in apology💐💐💐💐💐💐

Love ya for being so genuine when asking and hope all this didn’t come off too strong and that it was idk helpful?🫶🫶

I realise my response is abt to have toxic bt fans scurry to my inbox like rats to send hate and to that I say go fuck yourselves I’m responding to a question here

[donovankinard]

only making one post about this, because it's not worth the time and energy of fighting the discourse but i need to make my stance on this whole thing known.

lou ferrigno junior is a privileged white man. he posted, from 2013 to 2016, more than a dozen 'memes' that were not in good taste. i am not making any attempt to excuse those actions, nor am i saying that the implications of those posts are okay.

ryan guzman said racial slurs, defended his wife for saying racial slurs, and has made antisemitic comments as well as later claiming he 'misspoke'. i am not going to make any attempt to excuse those actions, or say that i understand where he was coming from, because i genuinely don't.

i don't care if you criticize these actions. i criticize them too. i think it sucks, and i think that they both should've offered genuine apologies and explanations for their actions. i think they should've understood the impact of what they were saying. i think they were right to face backlash.

however; if you criticize one and not the other, you don't care about discrimination. you don't care about minorities. you don't care about right and wrong, you care about proving that one of the two is somehow awful whilst raising the other on a pedestal. you don't get to play god, you don't get to pick and choose who you think showed the right amount of remorse, and you don't get to hide behind some bullshit discourse about tomatoes.

if you want to defend someone, defend the minorities who pay the price, every day, for celebrities missteps and ignorance. but don't tell me what one of the two has done if you will ignore the other. hypocrisy is rampant on our planet; i refuse to let it ruin this fandom for me, too.

and maybe, just maybe, lend yourself to forgiveness. not to preach, but i will say this - let him who is without sin throw the first stone.

[facetimebuddies]

this was a very interesting read!!!!!!

[lemotmo]

I’m curious to see the response Ryan gives for his personal thoughts on what’s going on between Buck and Eddie.

But at the same time I’m not excited for the melt down it’ll probably cause since he still can’t give anything away so people are gonna end up dooming 💀😂

Listen, at this point I've given up on asking people to use their common sense. We've been saying this over and over again, but for some reason there are always people that will see the worst in these interviews and who spiral and doompost afterwards.

What do they possibly expect Ryan to say? He can't just come out and say:

"Hey everyone! Guess what?! Eddie is gay!!! And he desperately wants to bone Buck!!!! WHAT ABOUT THAT BUCK AND EDDIE THING HUH?!!!! YOLO!!! LOL!!!"

So yes, he'll skirt around the topic and he'll say some deep and meaningful things about the Buddie friendship and how important it is for Eddie. I expect him to tease a little and give some vague answers, but that's really the only thing he can say. 🤷‍♀️

And like clockwork, people over on Twitter will start yelling that he is baiting them. Pffff, seriously-- if it wasn't for some good sources, I would have deleted Twitter ages ago.

The influx of some newer fans (both BT and Buddie) when Buck came out as bi has made the 911 fandom a worse place to be in my opinion. Some of these people are ruthless. The way they talk to professional journalists is appalling and downright rude. I always have so much second-hand embarrassment when I read some of their comments.

((I'd like to make a note here that I'm not talking about ALL new people in fandom, just some of them and most are over on Twitter. I've met a lot of lovely new people here on Tumblr who know how to behave normally and who are genuinly excited to join this fandom. Welcome to all of you!!! Seriously!!! It's nice to have some new voices and fresh input.))

As the second anon said, some of them were almost threatening Jeff Conway, telling him that the fandom would be upset with him if the interview didn't give them what they wanted. I mean... WTF?! This guy interviewed an actor of a TV-show. He is only going to write about what Ryan said. This isn't life and death here! It's just a silly little TV-show interview!

This isn't even about fandom etiquette anymore. It goes beyond that! This is about human decency. Just because you are online and anonymous, doesn't mean that you get to act like a total *sshole towards an entertainment journalist or towards actors and other fans for that matter. I have seen some vile Ryan hatred on Buddie-Twitter. Safe to say I blocked all of them.

I truly don't get it. How were these people raised? Didn't their parents or guardians ever talk to them about kindness and decency? Did some of them grow up with social media without any kind of supervision and somehow it desensitized them to normal human behaviour and social cues? What went wrong?!

I don't know you guys. Maybe I sound old to some of you.🤷‍♀️ But I've been in fandom spaces for a very long time now, so I know what I'm talking about.

Whenever I speak up about something like this, I get messages in my inbox calling me a 'boomer'. I didn't know that asking for simple human decency and politeness made someone a 'boomer', but if that is the case, I'll gladly take that title. Because some of these fans' behaviour on Twitter is seriously getting out of hand.

So really, the message here is: Stay away from stan-Twitter if you can, but if you like it there (no judgement 😋 You do you!) do make sure to block wisely, even within the Buddie fandom if necessary. Don't share, reply or make screenshots, because none of us should condone or share these people's shitty behaviour.

[beastologist]

First and foremost: If you ship Buddie, and you do not like BuckTommy or Tommy (the fictional character), that's OK. It's OK, as long as you do NOT invalidate the actor behind Tommy or the people who ship BuckTommy. Ship either of them, ship both of them, or ship none of them.

It's NOT OK to accuse BuckTommy shippers of being fetishists. I have seen reasoning like "We ship Buddie since day one, and you guys just saw two men kissing and jumped ships", and you know what? If that's how you see it, you look like a hypocrite to me. Basically, you watched S2E1, heard "You can have my back anytime," and then those who've been with Buddie since 'day one' shipped them. Or probably started watching 9-1-1 only because of Buddie. They started shipping them, even though Buck was still emotionally attached to Abby and believed himself to be in a relationship. They started shipping them, even though they knew Eddie for only one episode at the time. They saw two hot guys bonding and sailed the ship. Which is OK. You are more than welcome to have your preferences and to prefer Buddie and to dislike BuckTommy. But don't be immature and accuse people of immediately feeling attached to BuckTommy, their journey and the important representation of Bisexuality.

On a more personal note: I never 'jumped' ships because I never shipped Buddie romantically; I adore their friendship, and I am very much on board for Buck's current journey with Tommy.

[someonecomegettheirchild]

Question for the culture: What are the 5 most influential fandoms of all time?

Not necessarily the best and/or the biggest but which ones have had the most impact on how people engage with fan content today.

Star Trek, Supernatural and Harry Potter are all up there for me and ARGUABLY One Direction although I don’t know how much of that is personal bias but I am interested to hear everyone else’s takes and justifications

[jeonscatalyst]

Devil works hard

But

MHJ works harder

Nah, I’ve been neutral about this whole Hybe vs Ador or Bang PD vs MHJ fight so far because we don’t know what really goes on in that company but what she did yesterday made me lose a lot of respect for her and I don’t think she is a good person.

Tae calls you to check on you probably even after knowing that you were plotting against him and his members yet you come to announce it to the entire world knowing damn well that you would be dragging the guy into the mess you are in. Nobody who has noble intentions would do something like that. No one can tell me that she didn’t know exactly what she was doing considering the fact that she’s been in this industry for years and knows exactly how things work. That was a good thing he did checking up on her probably because they do have a relationship after all (as she produced his first solo album) but she chooses to go announce it to everyone just to give people the impression that Tae sides with her and what makes me crazy is how Tae stans think she is being a good friend to him. No good friend would try to drag you down into their own mess with them. She knew that the media was going to pick up on that, she knew his fans were going to be mad which will probably lead to him being attacked and insulted and she knew she might be making him a target to the company if they thought he sided with her yet she didn’t care because she is just trying to look out for her own ass.

I’m sure in Bang Pd’s next life he wouldn’t touch that woman with a 10 foot pole because she is bad news.

[tarotnoob]

JK reading, BTS thoughts, trip to Korea notes

Second attempt 12/20/24: Since JK did a live, I was curious to do a reading for him. I did one the day before, and I had some kind of dark commentary for it. And then I was like well maybe something I read influenced how I'm viewing this. So I'll show you the original spread.

I will try to sum up that reading as ultimately JK having a vibe of being a truth seeker or a truth revealer and maybe even attempting to call somebody out. Not like a group of people, but it actually felt like he was trying to prove a point to somebody or send a message to somebody in particular. But, I'm just going to call that whole reading a wash even though I spent 2 hours writing it out.

This reading is long and you can skip the part about my trip to Korea (I've marked it in brackets) to get to the reading. If you like reading long stuff about JK and BTS, maybe it'll be interesting.

apologies for typos or weird confusing words bc i use voice to text while staring at the cards

tarot isn't a science; don't use it as fact; i'm just reading and interpreting the cards the best i can

opinions on bts, the fandom, and anything related to bts are my own and not especially serious (they're musings at best).

Tonight, I just pulled some cards. Both times I at least put the live on as I shuffled

I mean I find this just a little bit more bleak than a couple of days ago in terms of what cards came out. But let's kind of walk through what we have now. The tower I saw earlier as I was shuffling, so I'm not really surprised it came out. I should probably look and see what planets are doing what

When I get a serious card like the tower, my brain usually goes more to okay is Mars doing something. So Mars is actually Leo, retrograde right now and since we have Leo at the back of the deck with the strength card, I am obviously going to share the lesson of that moment

Asserting yourself also makes sense with this Knight of wands and Knight of swords kind of acting like they are swooping into save people from disaster, granted they could also be the cause of it because if they are from two different houses or two different countries and they're causing kind of disaster while fighting or trying to assert themselves or whatever. Especially when you have one who is about fire and one who is about air and then when you combine them it should be stronger. But let's not read into that too much yet because basically we have what it seems to me in both cases if you pair them up and look at them one is heading toward a burning building and the other one is swooping in to save people who are out in the snow

What I also get is a sense of isolation and loneliness. This could just be from literally being isolated in the military. I'm not saying that he's particularly lonely, but given the action of coming live and saying I miss you a thousand times, I think there was a feeling that I keep wanting to call a gap. So I feel a lot of anxiousness behind wanting to do this live and to not just do that but to to assert something, when you have a sword court card, you might say it's about communication and being blunt and honest, when you have a fire Court card, there's a passion or desire to say something

And to me this could be somebody who is either putting out a fire or a disaster in some way through words and having an eagerness to like do something about it but maybe feeling kind of helpless about it. Or someone who in doing that causes some type of tower experience. And honestly it could probably be a combination of both. Like when you rush in to save somebody and then you cause some other accident along the way

But that's not the intention so I'm not going to read it that way. I just see somebody rushing in very bravely to assert themselves and having a desire to say something with the intention of trying to help or trying to I keep wanting to say disaster, but it's only because I'm looking at the tower card.

And really I had similar things to say about his previous reading in that this is somebody who was trying to create some healing, who wanted to or has the energy of a wise teacher.

I don't know if I want to say that he's rushing into something without a lot of thought but that is literally what it feels like. But there's no kind of like doubt. But whether that doubt is in himself or if he needs to do something about the situation. Actually I don't feel any doubt about wanting to do something about the situation. But I feel like an awkwardness because of that gap I mentioned earlier. I guess I would kind of equate it to let's say there's this famous soldier let's say it's Hercules or something. And everybody loved him in the village and he had done a lot of good things and a lot of people liked him but then he went on this trip for a long time for like a couple of years or something. So he hasn't particularly changed if anything maybe he's gained new experiences

But when he comes back to the village there's a sense of awkwardness about how he will be received. He's not like confident or doubtful in himself, he's just anticipating some weirdness.

Also I'm coughing a lot which is weird because when I did his first reading, I got a really bad stomach ache. And I haven't been coughing all day although I live in the desert so there's sand everywhere and you cough a lot here. So I wonder if he's in an area where the air pollution is worse than what he's used to. Which would make sense if he's back in the city. Which by the way do you mind if I take a brief moment to talk about something? I wrote about in another post that I was going to accompany the cards with or maybe I started talking about it and then did the cards and it just became too long.

[trip anecdote and BTS musings starts here]

Recently, I went to Korea. It was after I had been in Japan for like a week and a half and then I flew to Busan around jimin's birthday. If I haven't mentioned this before he's my bias. I have mentioned that and it should be obvious. Originally JK was my bias and then I just gradually started to relate more to jimin but I find both of them interesting especially their senses of humor.

We will call it a pilgrimage and I'll spare you all the details I tried to share in the other post. But basically I had been really sick before my vacation and almost didn't go because I came down with this crazy serious infection because of an antibiotic that I had been given. But I managed to go and being away from work actually helped regardless of if I was recovering. I went to Busan and I won't tell you that people were friendly there in Korea in general. In Japan, yes. That's besides the point. I think it was the second day I arrived, I went to jimin's Dad's Cafe. I had a horrible experience on the bus ride there because the bus driver was not very nice. And so I got off at a stop and I walked the rest of the way. So I was a little upset and it was rainy and I didn't have an umbrella. And I went into the cafe and I had the typical fangirl experience you would expect to have

There were flowers outside and then there were a lot of flowers and gifts inside since it had just been his birthday. It was a lot larger than I expected and it had a parking lot. I don't know why that surprises me. And I got a really good latte and piece of cake. There was younger staff working at the register. And they had a lot of merchandise. I'm not going to lie to you the merchandise is kind of ugly because it has this mascot of a calico cat. And even if JM drew it himself, I'm not going to lie. That didn't stop me from buying a lot of it. A lot of the clothing is either purple and yellow or black and white. And it has his tattoos on it. Like spells them out or has the number 13. And it was such a nice experience because I sat by one of the windows facing a parking lot and I was like oh I wonder if his dad is here because there was a super nice car in the parking lot.

And I will say that I am pretty sure I saw him because I was out in the parking lot waiting for a taxi that I wasn't able to get to and he had parked and was walking in and there were people taking photos and he kind of waved like they were taking photos of him and I mean he looked like how pictures of his dad looks. And then since I missed my taxi I had to go back in so by the time I came out again and was waiting for an Uber, he was coming out to get into his car and leave again. And I won't tell you the model but it was nice

And it was such a nice experience. Did I cry? Yes. Because it was so meaningful to me and I had gone through so much in being sick and then to be able to get this far. And I had already traveled a lot by myself so I was getting tired and again people were not very nice there. My Korean is very limited which didn't matter much in Japan as in not knowing tons of Japanese although I knew far more than I know my Korean.

So anyway it was healing. And so I want to say you know that family you could expect maybe that are they exploiting their kids Fame or something but it wasn't like that. It was more like creating a safe space for important people. What made me understand this even more I think was when I went to Seoul I had a tattoo appointment with polyc

And I'd like to share more details about that than I'm going to, so I will just say. His English is not fluent by any means. I thought a manager would be there to translate. It was early in the morning and by fate the address ended up being close to the hotel I'd already booked. So I could just walk there. But I was very confused once I got to the building because it's a residential area. So I was like okay which way do I go from here. I waited since he messaged and said he was on his way. And I had been turned away so when he said hi I turned to him and I thought oh my God. The man is absolutely beautiful in real life. Like he had celebrity vibes which I wasn't expecting or had even thought about. Just a stunning guy with a lot of presence.

And keep in mind, in the communications like my emails to reserve the appointment and photos or drawings, I never mentioned BTS. I'm pretty sure my little avatar for my email is actually Naruto. And my tattoo was in no way BTS related. And I didn't want to make him feel like I was going there just to talk about BTS or get information about BTS from him. It was a spiritual thing plus I guess I just wanted him to do this tattoo

But no I wouldn't have gone if I hadn't heard about him through BTS and since he's jimin's tattoo artist I mean yeah put two and two together. I'm not trying to be slick. But, when we sat down and we couldn't really communicate exactly, he was trying to say that I had a lot of ideas because I'd sent a lot of photos for inspiration although I had also done the drawing for it and even put it on my body and taken a photo. So I knew what I wanted but I was sending him stuff to inspire him but that was also when I thought it would work like he would do a design and send it to me and then I would say fix this or this. But what ended up happening is you go there and discuss it with him in person and then he designs it on the spot

So I was trying not to be offended the way that he worded it but then he was like after he had already asked me if I liked BTS and I was like yes of course I like BTS. I was wearing a BTS hoodie but you wouldn't know that from looking at it it just says tour on the back and very tiny writing on the front. I'm sure he just knew because he said he had a lot of BTS fans there since j-hope was getting out of the military. So I had said yes of course. Then he asked me my favorite and I was like well you can't really ask a true fan that question. But I was like well I would say jimin and I also like JK and then I like all of them of course. But right away he said well I'm closest to jimin and Jungkook only. And I didn't really say anything I was just like yes I know LOL. I guess I was trying to play it cool. But later on, you know after telling me that it was obvious it was my first tattoo

He was like you know jimin's tattoos are all simple and just those words, except the tattoo on his back. Which his words not mine. But then with JK I have to tell him stop stop you know it's too much hold back. And I was like you actually told JK to hold back good luck with that. I don't think he's managed to hold him back. But basically he was going into this conversation about trying to talk me out of the placement of it because he thought what if I didn't like it later or if I got tired of it because he said he was tired of his first tattoo and didn't like it. And I was like I didn't come all this way to get a tattoo from you and pay this much to hide it. And I tried to express that but I mean it was lost in translation for sure. He's a very serious guy as an artist and I think very particular and very defensive of his art. Which there's nothing wrong with that. Since he doesn't speak that much English, I would put him at equivalent with maybe jk's language ability. But maybe JK is actually a bit better

And so you know I tried not to take offense in the way that he worded things because it came across really blunt. Also this was almost 3 weeks into my trip by myself and having multiple negative experiences in Korea so I was like not going to really fight anything. I was tired. And I never really nosed about in his studio to look at all the BTS paraphernalia but what I wanted to say in relation to the cafe space is that he seemed completely open and expecting to talk about BTS. It made me feel like he expected and had no problem with talking about that without feeling as though you were taking advantage of him because he has a close relationship with them. I honestly think that if you spoke Korean or were just interested as long as your questions were respectful, he would give you that space to appreciate them and had no problem with it. So what this has to do with a cafe is if it's cultural or just people who know BTS and how those relationships have formed

Those two places had no problem sharing that space knowing that it was a connection for a lot of people to BTS. You would kind of think in the west especially with Western celebrities, they really appreciate their privacy, they would probably be more wary of people close to them taking advantage of a relationship. We've seen that happen with Western artists taking advantage of BTS or the Grammys or whatever. But I can say for sure in the particular instances of the cafe and polyc, these have been curated as safe spaces. Made with respect to fans. Is this a lecture about events happening in the fandom right now? Possibly. but a lot of care has gone into acknowledging what a fan base has done to elevate the group and there's genuine affection there. So it does make me wonder if being careful not to hurt anybody ever is part of something the group has agreed with for the most part

I don't want to get too into that because that's making assumptions. Because to me the safe space concept was something I wouldn't have really known about until I visited. And that's just my analysis of those experiences. I mean that doesn't mean you can go to their private homes or stalk their family members or disrupt anybody's social media or send nasty messages. That's something completely separate from willfully creating these neutral spaces. That I think are mostly made out of genuine love and affection and appreciation and just a desire to do it.

But I have often wondered what the group has said in terms of how much they want to say when they are unhappy with a situation involving our fandom. Is it out of respect and I guess what's the word I want to use, not patience but no desire to cause a controversy. Maybe it's perplexing to think a member might not speak out directly about something, but maybe they're also speaking out in a way that's not as direct as you would expect. Or that they see conflict differently now.

And are you sure, there's a conversation they have at one of the restaurants where jimin talks about how he and the group used to get angry very easily over things and now they've pretty much emptied out so they don't really fight or get as upset about things anymore. I imagine that meant more than fighting with each other but just about things in general and I'm sure that includes stuff that happens in the industry and stuff that happens in fandom. I think it's probably very difficult sometimes for them to not speak out or defend each other, but it's clearly something that they've agreed on that it would stir the pot more. And you have to respect that that is something that they have decided. JK has clearly come out and been a little bit more vocal than usual about some things, even almost political. But I mean several of the members have come out and said negative things either jabs at people in the industry or alluding to things. Namjoon has done that, suga has done it, Tae has done it.

They all have spoke their mind at some point but I just think there's agreement among the group to handle certain situations in a certain way unless it's absolutely called for to make some type of public statement. And if you are a fan you can look back and see the situations in which that happened. And maybe you can wonder why a public comment was necessary for that but whatever.

My point being that these are very smart individuals who know how the industry works and have probably seen the worst and best of people. And they continue to see the worst of people, and maybe they have their own ways of dealing with it. It's not a shock or new to them I'm sure. I would be genuinely surprised at this point if that were true. But I think maybe some of them itch to do something about it. I feel like JK is the youngest one probably and the most rebellious...

It's probably very difficult for him to stand by and see anything happen, so I do think he intentionally does certain things like if it's an Instagram post or doing a live at a certain time, is there the possibility of an ulterior motive or I shouldn't say it like ulterior motive but there's a point to it. And sometimes I think that point is not for the general viewership and maybe that's because he's thinking not everybody is aware or not everybody cares, but that doesn't mean that showing up and saying certain things isn't at least symbolic which seems to be good enough for him.

He doesn't have to be cryptic on purpose I think. I think he chooses to be. But at the same time I find him very straightforward because even though I haven't watched the full thing yet, I noticed that he said don't come to my house and don't send packages. These words were very intentional and obvious. And I think that the actual message here was respect us and our privacy and know when not to cross those lines but without scolding. Because he is apparently expecting people to grow and to learn and to respect what he says even though a lot of people don't.

But they have decided that a knee-jerk reaction or an emotional reaction or plea isn't what they want to do or what is required. I think it's like a gentle scolding or parenting technique. Where you hint at it and give the person a chance to think about what they're doing. In reality, do I think that works? I don't know. Probably not really. And I do kind of wonder if maybe it's a cultural way of handling conflict. You don't say don't do this it's bad. I think I was just reading a post today about the Korean language and how how the way Jimin speaks in particular has a lot of words to soften the blow if he says something harsh or a different opinion right. So you have to consider maybe this is a cultural way of handling conflict. They aren't going to be direct about it. But anyway that's an assumption on my part

I guess I kind of feel the same way. I'm not a BTS blog but BTS is a big part of my life not as much as maybe a few years before but still very significant. And when I first started doing tarot, I would mostly practice on the members. Because I enjoy it and I think they have cool energy and I'm curious about them as people

[back to the reading]

In saying all that, let's get back to the reading

Since I already forgot about the cards

And having shared all that I think the cards make sense now. You have somebody who has a passion desire to communicate the truth and is moving swiftly to take that kind of action. The other cards clearly represent trouble or disaster or like a foundation crumbling and then the five of pentacles is also discard about looking for help but not really being able to find it, a sense of hopelessness or loneliness, it can even be an issue with literal financial loss or grievances

And it could be that whatever this disaster is that's happened, could have some type of financial backlash or loss and so an element he has of trying to come into help could have to do with somebody else feeling left out, somebody losing money, somebody being put out of their home. Basically there could literally be some financial repercussions involved in whatever bad news happened. But mostly I just feel like it's somebody who who feels as strong desire to be a hero. But without lempty bravado. It's more like somebody who reacts very quickly to it without a lot of thought. And I do think an element of it has to do with clear communication, principles, facts, somebody acting in their truth or wanting to reveal the truth or speak the truth and speak the truth passionately and with courage

I'm going to clarify before I move on to the articles not articles oracles whatever. I write articles for my job so slip of the tongue. So first I want to clarify the tower card obviously

Well that just tells us yeah. Five of cups. So definitely something that has feelings of disappointment and sadness, I would say it's a past event. It could also go back to what happens during this time with the Mars retrograde and somebody looking back and reflecting on things that didn't work out in the past as well but with the knight energy coming through it makes me feel like okay definitely this energy of what are you going to do to change it

Let's keep clarifying. Knight of wands gets the Knight of pentacles. Maybe I'm being cheeky but just for a second when I said the word night and my autocorrect always says night as an evening instead of the actual knight so I have to correct it... Bam's name, bahm, means night and that's a black horse so I'm just going to throw that in there as well. This could be that he's actually going to see bam. I'm also aware that people got on that Instagram and said not nice things so this could just be another part of the story. Five of pentacles, I got three of swords and six of pentacles. This is exactly what six of pentacles means right. There's disappointment about not receiving help from somewhere, especially in regard to physical things like finances or I mean it could be all kinds of stuff like health or a contract or something. It doesn't really matter but there's a sense of not receiving or disappointment or sadness around something that was it physical experience.

For me, the three of swords is often a retrograde card as well so I think it's validating that the retrograde has played a large part in this particular event or jk's feelings on the event or lately and even maybe like what has led parts of society lately to be kind of unhinged. Whether it's somebody shooting a CEO or a fandom going to attack people's social media or in your own life feeling like things are falling apart to the extreme or being really angry or having severe mental health issues right now. Especially revolving around things in which you have felt helpless or powerless. So when you are feeling powerless, the lesson you have to learn is how to assert yourself. And maybe during the retrograde people are asserting themselves in all kinds of crazy ways

So I think JK also influenced by this energy rather than do anything negative in particular like some people are, resolved to assert himself in a healthy way by showing up in a live and being present and whatever message he wanted to convey, it's subtle or maybe to others it's not subtle. But everything indicates to me that he had a desire to do something and in doing this, he felt like he was making a point or helping a situation or other people by quickly doing something and it being from a place of Truth or principal or passion

And I do think like he said at some point right that he thought that he could heal people. And in my original reading for him I talked a lot about how this is somebody who is in the cycle of healing people because he has his own wounds and people who have wounds know how to help other people thanks. Even though I think sometimes those people he tries to heal are a little bit a part of the wounds. I don't think he really sees it that way. I think when he hurts, his instinct is to help. And in helping why would he be scolding anybody because his actual motive is to heal. His answer to when people do bad things to him or the people he cares about, seems to be to love harder. And that includes the fandom. It's very jesus-like LOL

Let me clarify that last card and we will laugh if we get the last knight card

I did not, I got the Justice card which makes sense as a clarification card for a knight of swords right. This is another point we can read everything that's been clarifying the cards has been the exact meaning of the cards so no room for misinterpretation. Very straightforward. Justice card is about balance and truth and doing the right thing and principles, it's the Libra card. I think he has a Venus and Libra but I can't remember for sure so don't quote me. That would definitely make me think of somebody who shows they care by being fair and doing the right thing for them in the sense of like what's good and right. Could a Libra also be a person that he is standing up for in this moment? Well yeah.

Could there be something in Libra right now sure probably maybe I don't know.

I wonder too if literally there's an issue with a building. Like disappointment with the new house or if this is a predictor for the future that there might be something that happens to his home or somebody's home. Home could be like the cafe or something but as far as I know the only thing that happened had to do with social media. My vibe is actually something happening to a physical space. This should be in the past though given that the five of cups came out. Maybe something recently happened that his last home like if somebody did something to that house. It could be that moving is just a little bit sad. It could be that in the near future, something happens to his new house or the cafe like physically somebody doing something to it whether it's like breaking a window or graffiti. But the more I look at it, the more I just feel strongly this is in the past. I'm not saying this is going to happen in the future but it is like this did just happen to a physical space and it was disappointing and hurtful and whatever. Even the five of pentacles kind of backs that up because those are people that don't have a place to go or a safety place

I mean it could have been something that happens in the military too. I don't know. It's just a feeling like somebody was physically displaced from a space that you would consider a home or somewhere they go or has meaning but it's a physical building or room or something. And I feel like people were displaced for a while. I don't really know what that is though. But there is a feeling of being left out in the cold. This could be a legal thing that maybe like a contract with a house fell through or legal action needs to be taken. Like almost like okay let's say if it was his new house or his old house or whoever's house, like the electrical wasn't done right or a contract wasn't done right or the financing wasn't done right and then legal action has to be taken and something has to be fixed. It doesn't feel like a big thing, that feels kind of minor. I hope. And it's feeling like it's related to electrical or the things that go into construction you know. But like I said I don't see that as a future thing, I feel like that happened and is somehow related to this as well? But why does it still feel like it could happen. I don't know

Let's talk about the oracle cards. So we have North node life's purpose and 41, which is a five so five tends to mean changes and challenges. It kind of reminds me of the Knight of wands. I don't know why but I'm also being reminded of NeverEnding story looking at the art on it. And in that movie, there's kind of like a kid sort of finding his purpose and this other character finding their purpose and then writing on this weird long dragon dog. Again dog is coming up. I wonder if like there was an issue at bam's kennel or something wherever he stays. Anyway. So I think this is somebody who their life purpose is about passion and kind of going forward without a lot of thought in their head okay which is something JK has said before so I can say that

And jm also said he kind of just lives by his instincts which is something that makes sense but even in doing that the thing is he does still have purpose to them.

And given the other cards it's somebody who understands or recognizes that their life purpose will involve helping people in some way. I think it is clear to him that it's helping people who feel like they don't belong or they feel excluded or isolated. Basically the black sheep which is something if you look at the fandom you can kind of tell that a lot of us don't always fit in and BTS was a way to fit in and I think JK recognizes that and understands that's part of his purpose so when he feels maybe like the fandom is down, he swoops in to try to save us or kind of vice versa as well when he is feeling down, he comes to us to feel better but maybe he just feels better through helping others.

It also reminds me of the Three of swords card as well. I'm getting a lot of fire. I don't think he has that much fire in his chart. I don't remember. I thought it was a lot of water and then maybe a fire Moon I also get the impression that this is somebody who wears their heart on their sleeve. Also don't take this the wrong way and it's very random but somebody who likes to really go around being shirtless and I'm not going to say naked cuz I can't see the bottom half of this figure but somebody who really enjoys being shirtless. And I also wonder if he'll start to grow out his hair as soon as he gets out of the military. I wonder if he sees himself a little bit like I don't want to say a dragon slayer because I don't think he would even hurt a dragon, maybe I should see this as a demon. It's just the thing in the back of the card but I don't feel animosity here I kind of feel like the thing is helping him. But I guess I strongly feel some bam stuff coming through. So I really think that he probably spent time with Bam lately

Let's clarify it though because why not

Nine of swords and technically six of swords reversed. This is somebody who has anxiety or worries around an incident in the past that they haven't quite moved on from. But that's sort of the point of this retrograde energy is to learn how to move on from situations like that so I think that's just telling us the plot. Somebody who learns to move on and handle those situations. Especially with like bravery and even becoming somebody who's like I don't give a f***. But that doesn't mean he can't still get sad or upset internally or whatever. That's all valid and he will always have moments like that but I think he's learning how to handle those situations and like I said it might not even affect him as much as you think because he's found this way to cope with it which is to help others. I'm not going to say all his coping mechanisms are healthy because I don't know the guy. And I don't know if it's healthy to focus on others when you hurt because it temporarily makes you feel better. But that's the solution he has come to I think.

The next card is Jupiter return benefits which is the 13 card or four reduced. This has a very sexy energy to it. It kind of goes with what I was saying about being shirtless. Because the person in the card actually there are two people and they seem to be in a very intimate situation well I guess it's Jupiter and well is it his wife or anyway I should probably look that up cuz it might be important to know hold on

Okay so his wife was Juno who also was his sister but anyway. And she was kind of a protector of wives I guess. So we again have a message about being a protector. Also the children or one of them between Juno and Jupiter was Mars. So again we have this Mars energy coming through. The card is sensual and it says the word benefits so put two and two together there kids this is a family blog

Homeboy has returned and I wouldn't be surprised if he gets lucky while on vacation. That's not like a secret or nosing into anything, zoom in on the card and you can see and you can read the word benefits and you can read the word return. But putting that aside because I say what I see, the Moon is about emotions and intuition. It'll be fun to clarify this card I'll tell you that. So what I get from this card before clarifying is... Wait is Jupiter just the Roman term for Zeus. So like the big guy. Also apparently Jupiter was unfaithful or they had an open marriage that wasn't really like open it was like a one-sided openness. I'm not bringing that into this conversation. Because all I see here are Jupiter and probably Juno under the moon and in bed and naked

I want to talk about the number a little bit. I won't talk about the number 13 but I will talk about four being a number of stability and nine to me is always somebody who has a spiritual purpose or is following a spiritual path. This could be kind of like a soulmate's card for him. I don't really know who he's with because I don't know him right. We shouldn't make assumptions or even if we make assumptions, we respect their privacy. But let's clarify and if we get the lovers then that would just be funny so that probably won't happen

I got the king of pentacles, interesting because we're talking about Jupiter, pretty powerful God. Back of the deck is Knight of cups and the Moon also interesting. The clarifying cards and stuff just have not straight very far from the original cards.

Oh but since I got off track talking about sexy times, Jupiter is also the planet of good luck and good fortune so this could also be something to do with financial benefits or physical benefits like property or what have you. I think it probably just means he's got a lot of money, he's getting returns on his investments and stuff like that. But what actually just feel like is okay so let's say we don't know who JK is with if he has a significant other whatever right. So I'm just going to talk ambiguously if he has a partner now or if it's long-term or short-term or whatever, what I get from these cards coming out somebody who spoils them. Spoils them with all kinds of different gifts, like literal go shopping nice gifts but also like physical objects, particularly like a house. You know if you were like you know I've always dreamed of this particular style of house with these things and this color and a cute little picket fence in back. He would go start drawing it himself and then he would go find an architect to make exactly those things. This is just an example

And it's not just like oh you want that Gucci watch. For me it's coming across as somebody who wants to have a hand in the gift, like in the making of the gift. This could be yes cooking we know he likes to do that, but like yeah it would be very Hands-On in terms of designing the house for you based on things that you said that you wanted. I mean he would still want his own things but I just see this king of pentacles being somebody who's holding out this coin and it's clarifying a very sensual card about a partner and there are very strong feelings and there's a castle behind this King so it's like you know building you your Castle. Which is kind of interesting since he just got a new house. I wonder he probably will never show us the bedroom but I have a feeling that well it doesn't matter. I don't really like when people talk about their sex lives or their sexuality so I'm avoiding talking about those things. But when I see something in the card like clearly this is a situation. I will talk about the situation but I'm not going to make any guesses about specifics. Could I? I don't know maybe but I don't want to and I don't see specifics here. I just see a couple of scenarios but not a person

And I can tell you that his way of affection toward a person he would be intimate with or dating or serious with or whatever seems to be through spoiling and giving gifts that have value. You know like when you have a card that somebody makes instead of just buys that it just has that little extra feeling to it. So he might do a piece of artwork and give it to you or what I'm seeing is like taking a piece of clay and making it into a shape or something and then you put it in the oven and then it turns into like some little figure. Doing a lot of stuff like that he's very Hands-On with these gifts but only for partners. It's not like he would do this for his 97 friends. This is how he shows his lover or significant other affection

And there's a lot of protector vibe going on but I mean that won't be news to people who know him

He's kind of like got a guardian energy I guess where not only is he going to protect you in terms of your safety but he is going to provide for you. And in a very conscientious way. Like we know that he records details about the BTS members so he probably knows all their likes in terms of food and weird little things like what kind of smells they might like, what kind of candles they would buy, the shampoo that they use. These weird like I shouldn't say weird because I shouldn't judge but it's weird because it's so specific and coming through specifically as in things that are physical but pertain to someone's identity. So definitely like soap and shampoo and candles and diffusers like he would know the certain kind of oils that people prefer. Like why would I buy you peppermint when I know you like lavender? And yet he might not pay attention to other small things like that. Like I don't know what RMs shoe size is but notice how in are you sure he knew which cologne fit RM. So it's like these sensory things he attaches to people. It's very interesting. Maybe that's where the dog energy is also coming from because dogs are very loyal and protective and they know your smell and he's all about acting on instinct, which can include sexy times. I'm sorry that card is so obviously sexual

And then just to kind of wrap that part up the Knight of cups being at the back of the deck of course could have to do with feelings of romance or just emotions or even creativity I suppose but with the moon behind it, and the Moon in the Jupiter card, I'm just getting like intense feelings of love or deep emotions and putting the relationship angle I gave it I also think this validates again this idea of somebody who cares a lot about giving to people. He gives to his lover in that kind of way and I think even though army is not like his real girlfriend or anything, that way of showing love extends to the fan base. You know he is still going to be protective of us and he is still going to want to give us the things that he can give us with his own hands like singing to you. Like doing this video for you, showing you or giving you art or something. It has to be this tangible thing that he can do himself and that's part of a gift and that's how he shows his love and that's how he can express that love and also I think it's a form of self-expression as well. Obviously self-expression can conclude how you show your love but I mean I guess I should say he's also expressing that love in a self-expressing way. Like how does he express himself well through music and through cooking while also these just happen to be his love language as well. His gifts are the things that are also his way of expressing himself. Isn't that interesting?

I didn't expect to go that deep on his personality because actually that answers questions that I kind of had about him and his love language. Even though we have seen it in different ways. I mean you could see it a lot in are you sure, especially when they go to Japan but I mean throughout the whole series right. Even when they were in Jeju, and he made the crew food right. This is just how he knows to show that he cares. His thing is to take action but besides just taking action the action that involves something physical that he can do but also happens to be a way that he enjoys expressing himself anyway

It kind of makes me understand why he's definitely a romantic right. There's something very romantic about the idea of somebody who shares their passion with you. And not just shares it with you in terms of you can go to a concert and hear him seeing which is a thing you know he likes, literally those are also his gifts to you because it's all he can offer you in terms of this is where he places the most value. He's probably not going to give you like expensive gifts because he thinks that impresses you unless you like really nag at him. He wants to give you things that come from his heart. A piece of clothing doesn't come from his heart unless he made it. Unless he like helped pick out the features of your car and maybe like had a hand in detailing it, he's probably not going to gift you a car. But he could definitely gift you a house. He could gift you a song or a video. Like look at what he did for j-hope's birthday that one time, he drew that really cool drawing right. He would record you a song. He would do a cover for you. I mean it should be obvious to people because he's done these things for a long time right and he's done them for members or the fan. I'm sure he does it in his personal life to other people. I'm sure if you asked his parents what he used to give them when he was little it would be like macaroni art or like trying to make some kind of meal as a kid that wasn't really a meal but he tried

this is probably pretty long. And keep in mind even when I read about the boys I don't ever try to push an agenda or align it with my personal takes. I mean in tarot you're always going to be limited by your biases which is why I redid it again because I felt like something I read influenced my first take but the stuff is still coming up the same where this is a person who wants to help heal people and his love language is helping people and his way of coping I think with his own wounds is to help others and through that that makes him feel better or heals him I should say. I don't want you to think that I'm saying that it's some kind of shallow gratification.

I think he actually heals himself by being with army. Not just because he's helping you but because something and being with army heals him as well probably because he can be himself. And then he's found a space to do that and also use his self-expression so he can express himself while also giving that gift of his talents to people.

[imakatperson22]

Chat I’ve seen a tsunami (ha.) of some of the worst takes in this fandom surrounding the golf bts photo and some are more egregious than others but I want to address one specifically: The idea that Gerrard would discriminate less against Buck for being queer because he has “cis white male privilege” or even try to seek a rapport with Buck.

Whiteness has never historically been a saving grace for minorities or do y’all not remember how people “with even one drop of colored blood” based on their ancestry were considered nonwhite, no matter how they appeared? If you are ANY sort of minority in the past, that was enough to cast you out, no matter your skin tone. Matthew Sheppard was a white man and if you don’t know that name, I suggest you learn it today. The hate for minorities of any kind was always stronger than the love of whiteness.

Gerrard, as a character, represents the past and its regressive nature. He’s not going to all of a sudden be just fine and dandy with Buck being queer just because he’s a cis white masculine man.

Did we all collectively forget that Gerrard called Tommy, another cis white masculine man, a fairy, which is a gay slur? The man has enough hate to go around for EVERYONE.

[mazzystar24]

bts are saying all the focus on rg in the behind the scenes content means we’re getting means rg leaving in S8 and they think lfj is going to take his spot and get a series regular promotion they claim to have it confirmed

Certain bt fans continue to reach a level of delusion I think is oddly inspirational

I too wish to be this level of detached from reality and free of silly things like logic or sane thoughts and reasoning

And if I said their desperation for t*mmy s8 main when Ravi is right there and has been for multiple seasons and how I would bet money that they’re the same ppl who were saying all that stuff about “what purpose does Ravi serve” etc is very telling?👀👀👀

I’m not saying there is some extreme dick riding going on for a white man with like 30 mins screentime (even that’s pushing it) and a large section of that screentime being his racist past vs the existing brown guy who actually has an interesting backstory a well rounded personality and is the prettiest bestest princess but I’m also not not saying that (ik ik i was on a roll before the whole prettiest bestest princess thing but he’s pookie so I cant be serious when talking abt him)

And if I also said their hatred on Eddie Diaz since bt is also extremely telling?👀👀👀

And if I also said their desperation for any excuse for buddie not to happen going so far as hoping Eddie dies or Ryan leaves or them trying to prove that Eddie is straight etc etc makes them look silly if that’s their only defences?

[artigianatomagico]

[facetimebuddies]

"Also if they were both each other's first MLM relationship? Oh catastrophe. The episodes would open with people calling 911 to alert Maddie these two are a fucking category 4 disaster with no survivors.

This way Buck will have some experience and be in a better position to handle Eddie's absolutely impending crisis of dating a dude and probably being a repressed gay man who never realised because he knocked up a woman, avoided her by running to the army, then she died and he spent the next year's trying to replace Chris' mom out of guilt."

WHY DO YOU ASK FOR PEOPLE TO STOP HATING TMMY AND THEN GO AND TAG BULLSHIT LIKE THIS AS BUDDIE.

why the actual fuck does buck get to have every fucking experience in the fucking word to figure himself out and learn all there is to know about being in a relationship with a man because that's just how it has to go and he can do no wrong and he's the only one who can be happy and the only reason he needs more experience being in a relationship is because he needs to deal with eddie being "a literal trash fire"?

eddie can't have shit in this fucking fandom. this fandom thinks eddie doesn't deserve love and companionship because he's too damaged and he's been through too much and people need to learn how to deal with him.

fuck you.