#but improbable doesnt mean impossible..

[gay--dog]

every day i just like repeat every time anyone has called me cool in my head and try to figure out if theyre right or not

[mithliya]

“HUH??? theres even straight women out there who arent finding sex with men pleasurable, why would a lesbian want to be with a man sexually to begin with? why would any lesbian have "no preference in sexual partners when they're horny" like ur basically saying lesbian boundaries fall apart once we're horny and that just.. doesnt make sense.... if u get horny for men and enjoy sex with men then thats a very blatant sign ur not a lesbian. when im horny i dont suddenly want to have sex with men bc men as a whole are entirely sexually undesirable to me. its not even a neutral act bc its directly me going against my desires & sexuality to do sth like that.”

I think you’ve maybe misunderstood my ask, because I’m on the same page as you on this topic. I do not see why lesbians (of all people!) would want to sleep with men, and I definitely do not think there’s a lot of lesbians having casual sex with men without any sort of pressure involved (like internalized homophobia or forced marriages/rape). My ask was kind of a response to the anon who talked about this topic (it was about her self proclaimed lesbian friend and things she’d read from lesbians online), and I was more or less contemplating the improbability.

I was being hypothetical and just thinking about whether or not it’s even possible to disregard sexuality without any feeling of unease. When I said there’s probably lesbians who do have willing sex with men, it was meant like “describe something, anything, you think is impossible, and there’s at least one person out there in the world who fits the bill”, and I did not mean at all that this is normal for lesbians, hence the “if we’re being hypothetical” that I wrote first thing in that paragraph. (I probably should have swapped out “lesbians out there” with “a lesbian out there” to make my point clearer…)

Also I did not intend to come off as saying that lesbians’ boundaries fall apart when horny — I do not think this at all. I wrote that because I was referencing the previous anon, who mentioned a lesbian friend sleeping with men when horny (paraphrasing: “not chasing it, but not minding it either”), and my point was “is that even possible? to sleep with someone you can never be sexually attracted to just bc you’re horny/they’re easily available/etc.? to not have boundaries in regards to sexual partners’ sex despite your sexuality? that can’t possibly be right?” — the same reaction as you — thus me mentioning various factors that can make lesbians “want to” sleep with men. That’s also why I mentioned early off that maybe there’s a lot more bi people than we think — because I think it sound very irrational to say that there’s lesbians who would sleep with men.

I probably should have worded my previous ask better, so I’m really sorry about that. What I wanted to get across was “it’s not possible for lesbians to sleep with men without there being some sort of internal/external pressure involved, but even if there is a lesbian (who may not even be lesbian) out in the world somewhere who does fit that bill, she will very much be an extreme outlier, and it would still be right to say that lesbians=don’t sleep with men willingly.”

ah thank you for clarifying, i thought you were perhaps debating that it’s possible and saying it could make sense but i wasn’t understanding how what u were saying would indicate that. honestly i cant even imagine that this 1 hypothetical extreme outlier lesbian even exists— like, what would even differentiate her from a bi woman? countless bi women strongly prefer women but don’t mind sex with men and can find men sexually pleasurable or consider men as sexual partners when horny enough. maybe a bad example but i used to watch this show called bad girls club & there’s this one woman who strongly proclaimed to being a lesbian. in one episode they’re in another country on some sort of vacation and she didn’t find a woman to hook up with so she finds a guy and hooks up with him in the bathroom and she says after “oh yup i’m totally a lesbian” (bear in mind this wasn’t even her first time with a man, she made it very clear she was just very horny and wanted to get laid) … anyways.. that woman ended up having a husband and kids and coming out as bi after a couple of years. like i just don’t see why any lesbian in the entire world would suddenly be horny for a man. like men themselves do nothing for us and we aren’t just like… neutral about men and could take it or leave it, we are actively totally unattracted to them. the only cases i can imagine are cases in which the lesbian in question has some serious mental issues or sth of the sort bc it absolutely is not normal nor logical to seek out sex with men when you’re not even attracted to them. when we’re horny, none of our desires will include men. it won’t suddenly make us find men attractive. we won’t suddenly desire penises or heterosexual sex. it’s just completely antithetical to our lesbianism. frankly i even find it hard to believe that any lesbian would be actually neutral about having sex with a man ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ very often the lesbians u talk to who claim they were neutral end up expressing visible disgust and discomfort and sometimes trauma symptoms like dissociation.

i think the far more likely scenario is there’s bi women with strong preferences who think bc their preferences for women are strong enough, bc they find men generally unappealing for some reason altho they obviously have exceptions to that (ie there’s some men they’d seek out and feel horny over) they think that this doesn’t count as opposite sex attraction & therefore they’re lesbians. and also the way i look at it on top of that is like.. if the term lesbian refers to women with certain qualities and traits, and you do not fit into that definition, then how can u even be an extreme outlier of the group? perhaps ur not a lesbian to begin with is all.

so, basically, i just don’t think it’s possible whatsoever even if we consider this as an extreme outlier.. that can only be an outlier if we take at face value this person claiming to be a lesbian while actively seeking out men and desiring men. but she’s not an outlier whatsoever when u consider the many bisexual women who are similar or have similar histories

[lorepossum]

Look, I’m not going to yuck anyone’s yum. If you’re into audio asmr rp purely to throw your own little doll into a story, that’s fine. I do that too with other creators. Most of this burgeoning genre is like that and is for that sort of thing.

But I would argue that GBA’s stories feel more engaging exactly BECAUSE their listener characters have life to them.

No asmr rp is going to be 100% choose your own adventure. It’s physically impossible or at the very least improbable within the audio format. Creators can only record and script so much. This isn’t a tabletop or a live roleplay. That is already characterization removed from a listener.

GBA has always stressed that just because he has ideas for his own versions of the listeners doesnt mean yours are less valid. He constructs stories specifically in the format of asmr insert rps so you can do as much with your own OC version of The Guardian without knowing or caring that her canon name is Raze (hell half the M4A series are actually M4F in Geeb’s brain but you don’t see that stopping me from making Mak gay with Darling in my brain). But at the end of the day he is telling a story first and foremost and there is only so much story you can tell when you leave a listener insert as blank slate as possible for the purposes of an audience of 10s of thousands being able to put their special oc into that role.

Characters like Karmor and Faith and Raze are allowed to be characters that feel more alive precisely because they are (a little bit less) easy to slot any OC into. Because in making characters, GBA can construct themes and tell stories with these characters. And those stories (and names and technically canon facts) are things that you are allowed to acknowledge or ignore as you see fit.

i don’t like the fact that gba has canon names for listeners it removes my control over the listener

and i’m not taking about like titles or nicknames like real names that is widely used by fandom

ex: kamor (whelp), faith (faithful), raze (guardian)

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[filthyjanuary]

same tho it feels WEIRD like it's been. less than a year and a half? since they announced the switch to hopeless? im so confused why did they switch again so SOON makes no cents

RIGHT YEAH LIKE im gonna be honest sorry this is gonna veer into negativity, don’t read if you’re vibing. sorry this is so long i have many thoughts.

so okay i find it very hard to believe hopeless only signed them for a one-album deal. like it’s not impossible, but i find it highly improbable that they weren’t contracted for a least two. obviously it’s possible they were contracted for more but had a termination clause in case fandom did poorly but it didn’t so.... that doesn’t make sense to me either. so either parx broke their contract (requires money and lawyers) or hopeless dropped them for some reason (does not bode well whatsoever). if they REALLY genuinely had a one-album deal, i still wonder why they wouldnt sign with hopeless again considering they have a lot of friends on the label, it seems like a good fit and hopeless seems very accommodating. and if fandom dvd is still happening (and according to AP it is) then... hopeless /is/ very accommodating unlike another label we know.

if they bought themselves out of their contract to go to 300e, i... don’t love that either. it doesn’t make sense and just screams of awsten throwing a tantrum (haha l-like the song get it) in another attempt to prove how not pop-punk he is. which like... i get it, i get that being boxed in sucks but changing labels isn’t going to make people stop calling you that. you’re still 3 skinny white dudes with guitars. it’s gonna happen. does it suck? yeah. jumping to a hip hop label and potentially wasting money and burning bridges in the community you started out in doesn’t... seem smart to me, and it’s not professional, and if they keep pulling moves like this, they’re going to build a bad reputation for themselves. parx just do not have the industry foothold to be mouthing off like this. if 5sos cant do it, waterparks certainly can’t. 300e is a lateral move to me, it doesn’t take them up any and i’m puzzled by how they’re going to be marketed. the only labelmates i can see them touring with are like... highly suspect, the hunna, and maggie lindemann and of those acts, parx is bigger than 2/3 so they’d be doing more promo than they’d be getting. like 300e is not gonna put twinky white boy band waterparks on a tour opening for megan thee stallion. i just dont see how this is going to get them where they want to go. if they really jumped labels purely for shedding pop punk ties, it’d make more sense to me for them to go to an indie pop label or something and fully embrace the semi-ironic boy band vibe.

if hopeless dropped them then.... that in itself is a bad sign. parting ways poorly with 2 labels is a great way to get yourself blacklisted, and like i said, hopeless seems like a very accommodating label (case in point taking ATL back after ATL ditched them for a major label) so to get to a point where they’d get dropped feels... very not good. again, that’s not the rep you want to build for yourself as a relatively small band still. i know awsten hates playing the industry game but unfortunately he either needs to suck it up and deal with label bullshit so he can get label money/resources, or he needs to scale down his vision/production to something manageable that the band/fans can self fund and independently release.

the other thing is 300e is in NY whereas hopeless was in LA. idk how often u gotta go chill w/ ur label but either awsten’s moving again bc he’s a control freak and needs to be hands on everything or he’s going to be flying a lot. which... doesnt mean anything, it’s just an additional thought.

SORRY THIS IS A NOVEL

[gemsofthegalaxy]

Thinking about how like, even in AUs or in canon where soulmates dont exist (like, as a concept that everyone knows about and understands) that Damien probably fully believes that he, Arum, and Rilla are Literally fated to be together

Like, how else would you explain that Arum encountered the two of them, two humans, in such a short amount of time, and that the feelings he felt for them are ones he's almost certainly never felt before?

How do you explain that Damien himself, going years being in love with Rilla and Rilla alone meeting a monster that he should have slain, and instantly feeling that attraction that he had, the pull towards Arum. the desire not to kill him, but to, ultimately, deep down, keep him safe?

And then Rilla, who finds herself literally kidnapped by that very same monster her own fiancé met and fell down, and despite the circumstances, she falls in love with him, too and Arum with her in turn, again, feeling things he had literally never felt before for two humans, and two humans who had a prior relationship to boot.

How could you explain that if they were not meant to be together? Forget the impossibility of a monster-human relationship working out, the fact that, despite the Improbability of any of this happening, it did... Damien would 100% fully believe it was fate itself that brought them together, in hindsight

Mind you. Rilla and Arum aren't as sold. Rilla is sort of back and forth on the matter, I mean, magic and science both exist but their relationship alone isn't enough evidence to state that there is A Planned Existence for everyone or something, and Arum (just to be contrary) says that magic doesnt exactly work that way, honeysuckle, and would fate really have them together? they have a lot of work to do to be together, which has come to their attention at least a couple times over.

Damien maintains, that, perhaps not every action and choice is set in stone but they are meant to love one another, they were made to do so. and sure they could choose not to, they could walk away or not put in that work, and perhaps their feelings would fade and they can move on. BUT they were brought together initially because they belong together. And that's that on that, he is not going to be persuaded otherwise

They love him anyway

[apuzzlingguy]

LMFAO

So someone in a group asked me to tell them why I hate the ocean sunfish so much, and apparently it was ~too mean~ and was deleted. To perpetuate the truth and stand up for ethical journalism, I'm posting it here. [Rated NC-17 for language.]

Disclaimer, I care about marine life more than I care about anything else, for real. Except this big dumb idiot. And it's not like an ~ironic~ thing, I mean it IS hilarious to me and they ARE THE BIGGEST JOKE PLAYED ON EARTH but I seriously fucking hate them.

THE MOLA MOLA FISH (OR OCEAN SUNFISH)

They are the world's largest boney fish, weighing up to 5,000 pounds. And since they have very little girth, that just makes them these absolutely giant fucking dinner plates that God must have accidentally dropped while washing dishes one day and shrugged his shoulders at because no one could have imagined this would happen. AND WITH NO PURPOSE. EVERY POUND OF THAT IS A WASTED POUND AND EVERY FOOT OF IT (10 FT BY 14 FT) IS WASTED SPACE.

They are so completely useless that scientists even debate about how they move. They have little control other than some minor wiggling. Some say they must just push water out of their mouths for direction (?????). They COULD use their back fin EXCEPT GUESS WHAT IT DOESNT FUCKING GROW. It just continually folds in on itself, so the freaking cells are being made, this piece of floating garbage just doesn't put them where they need to fucking go.

So they don't have swim bladders. You know, the one thing that every fish has to make sure it doesn't just sink to the bottom of the ocean when they stop moving and can stay the right side up. This creature. That can barely move to begin with. Can never stop its continuous tour of idiocy across the ocean or it'll fucking sink. EXCEPT. EXCEPT. When they get stuck on top of the water! Which happens frequently! Because without the whole swim bladder thing, if the ocean pushes over THE THINNEST BUT LARGEST MOST TOPPLE-ABLE FISH ON THE PLANET, shit outta luck! There is no creature on this earth that needs a swim bladder more than this spit in the face of nature, AND YET. Some scientists have speculated that when they do that, they are absorbing energy from the sun because no one fucking knows how they manage to get any real energy to begin with. So they need the sun I guess. But good news, when they end up stuck like that, it gives birds a chance to land on their goddamn island of a body and eat the bugs and parasites out of its skin because it's basically a slowly migrating cesspool. Pros and cons.

"If they are so huge, they must at least be decent predators." No. No. The most dangerous thing about them is, as you may have guessed, their stupidity. They have caused the death of one person before. Because it jumped onto a boat. On a human. And in 2005 it decided to relive its mighty glory days and do it again, this time landing on a four-year-old boy. Luckily Byron sustained no injuries. Way to go, fish. Great job.

They mostly only eat jellyfish because of course they do, they could only eat something that has no brain and a possibility of drifting into their mouths I guess. Everything they do eat has almost zero nutritional value and because it's so stupidly fucking big, it has to eat a ton of the almost no nutritional value stuff to stay alive. Dumb. See that ridiculous open mouth? (This is actually why this is my favorite picture of one, and I have had it saved to my phone for three years) "Oh no! What could have happened! How could this be!" Do not let that expression fool you, they just don't have the goddamn ability to close their mouths because their teeth are fused together, and ya know what, it is good it floats around with such a clueless expression on its face, because it is in fact clueless as all fuck.

They do SOMETIMES get eaten though. BUT HARDLY. No animal truly uses them as a food source, but instead (which has lead us to said photo) will usually just maim the fuck out of them for kicks. Seals have been seen playing with their fins like frisbees. Probably the most useful thing to ever come from them.

"Wow, you raise some good points here, this fish truly is proof that God has abandoned us." Yes, thank you. "But if they're so bad at literally everything, why haven't they gone extinct." Great question.

BECAUSE THIS THING IS SO WORTHLESS IT DOESNT REALIZE IT SHOULD NOT EXIST. IT IS SO UNAWARE OF LITERALLY FUCKING EVERYTHING THAT IT DOESNT REALIZE THAT IT'S DOING MAYBE THE WORST FUCKING JOB OF BEING A FISH, OR DEBATABLY THE WORST JOB OF BEING A CLUSTER OF CELLS THAN ANY OTHER CLUSTER OF CELLS. SO WHAT DOES IT DO? IT LAYS THE MOST EGGS OUT OF EVERYTHING. Besides some bugs, there are some ants and stuff that'll lay more. IT WILL LAY 300 MILLION EGGS AT ONE TIME. 300,000,000. IT SURVIVES BECAUSE IT WOULD BE STATISTICALLY IMPROBABLE, DARE I SAY IMPOSSIBLE, THAT THERE WOULDNT BE AT LEAST ONE OF THOSE 300,000,000 (that is EACH time they lay eggs) LEFT SURVIVING AT THE END OF THE DAY.

And this concludes why I hate the fuck out of this complete failure of evolution, the Ocean Sunfish. If I ever see one, I will throw rocks at it.  This was posted to reddit a while back and the user deleted their profile so I can’t give credit :(

[hatsunepiku2009]

FUCK THE OCEAN SUNFISH

So someone in a group asked me to tell them why I hate the ocean sunfish so much, and apparently it was ~too mean~ and was deleted. To perpetuate the truth and stand up for ethical journalism, I'm posting it here. [Rated NC-17 for language.]

Disclaimer, I care about marine life more than I care about anything else, for real. Except this big dumb idiot. And it's not like an ~ironic~ thing, I mean it IS hilarious to me and they ARE THE BIGGEST JOKE PLAYED ON EARTH but I seriously fucking hate them.

THE MOLA MOLA FISH (OR OCEAN SUNFISH)

They are the world's largest boney fish, weighing up to 5,000 pounds. And since they have very little girth, that just makes them these absolutely giant fucking dinner plates that God must have accidentally dropped while washing dishes one day and shrugged his shoulders at because no one could have imagined this would happen. AND WITH NO PURPOSE. EVERY POUND OF THAT IS A WASTED POUND AND EVERY FOOT OF IT (10 FT BY 14 FT) IS WASTED SPACE.

They are so completely useless that scientists even debate about how they move. They have little control other than some minor wiggling. Some say they must just push water out of their mouths for direction (?????). They COULD use their back fin EXCEPT GUESS WHAT IT DOESNT FUCKING GROW. It just continually folds in on itself, so the freaking cells are being made, this piece of floating garbage just doesn't put them where they need to fucking go.

So they don't have swim bladders. You know, the one thing that every fish has to make sure it doesn't just sink to the bottom of the ocean when they stop moving and can stay the right side up. This creature. That can barely move to begin with. Can never stop its continuous tour of idiocy across the ocean or it'll fucking sink. EXCEPT. EXCEPT. When they get stuck on top of the water! Which happens frequently! Because without the whole swim bladder thing, if the ocean pushes over THE THINNEST BUT LARGEST MOST TOPPLE-ABLE FISH ON THE PLANET, shit outta luck! There is no creature on this earth that needs a swim bladder more than this spit in the face of nature, AND YET. Some scientists have speculated that when they do that, they are absorbing energy from the sun because no one fucking knows how they manage to get any real energy to begin with. So they need the sun I guess. But good news, when they end up stuck like that, it gives birds a chance to land on their goddamn island of a body and eat the bugs and parasites out of its skin because it's basically a slowly migrating cesspool. Pros and cons.

"If they are so huge, they must at least be decent predators." No. No. The most dangerous thing about them is, as you may have guessed, their stupidity. They have caused the death of one person before. Because it jumped onto a boat. On a human. And in 2005 it decided to relive its mighty glory days and do it again, this time landing on a four-year-old boy. Luckily Byron sustained no injuries. Way to go, fish. Great job.

They mostly only eat jellyfish because of course they do, they could only eat something that has no brain and a possibility of drifting into their mouths I guess. Everything they do eat has almost zero nutritional value and because it's so stupidly fucking big, it has to eat a ton of the almost no nutritional value stuff to stay alive. Dumb. See that ridiculous open mouth? (This is actually why this is my favorite picture of one, and I have had it saved to my phone for three years) "Oh no! What could have happened! How could this be!" Do not let that expression fool you, they just don't have the goddamn ability to close their mouths because their teeth are fused together, and ya know what, it is good it floats around with such a clueless expression on its face, because it is in fact clueless as all fuck.

They do SOMETIMES get eaten though. BUT HARDLY. No animal truly uses them as a food source, but instead (which has lead us to said photo) will usually just maim the fuck out of them for kicks. Seals have been seen playing with their fins like frisbees. Probably the most useful thing to ever come from them.

"Wow, you raise some good points here, this fish truly is proof that God has abandoned us." Yes, thank you. "But if they're so bad at literally everything, why haven't they gone extinct." Great question.

BECAUSE THIS THING IS SO WORTHLESS IT DOESNT REALIZE IT SHOULD NOT EXIST. IT IS SO UNAWARE OF LITERALLY FUCKING EVERYTHING THAT IT DOESNT REALIZE THAT IT'S DOING MAYBE THE WORST FUCKING JOB OF BEING A FISH, OR DEBATABLY THE WORST JOB OF BEING A CLUSTER OF CELLS THAN ANY OTHER CLUSTER OF CELLS. SO WHAT DOES IT DO? IT LAYS THE MOST EGGS OUT OF EVERYTHING. Besides some bugs, there are some ants and stuff that'll lay more. IT WILL LAY 300 MILLION EGGS AT ONE TIME. 300,000,000. IT SURVIVES BECAUSE IT WOULD BE STATISTICALLY IMPROBABLE, DARE I SAY IMPOSSIBLE, THAT THERE WOULDNT BE AT LEAST ONE OF THOSE 300,000,000 (that is EACH time they lay eggs) LEFT SURVIVING AT THE END OF THE DAY.

And this concludes why I hate the fuck out of this complete failure of evolution, the Ocean Sunfish. If I ever see one, I will throw rocks at it.

[bisluthq]

im one who doesnt believe taylor had a boob job first of all her boobs change all the time (during the 1989 tour she incredibly flat chested) and then at certain award shows she would have a bigger chest when she gained weight her boobs got bigger; a long with her thighs; boobs are werid i literally will gain like 2 pounds and it looks like i went up a cup. I’m not saying it’s impossible i just find improbable especially since she was rumored in 2012 for it to be done and 1989 tour she has nothing

I don’t reallyyyyy buy a 2012 boob job IMO she had it done late 1989 era. Lmao like around the time Kays have her disappearing to “get engaged” with Karlie is probably when I’d put the boob job. I think she had one done before Hiddleswift.

In the mirror selfie she’s very thin and I’m a state of disrobement that means it’s not just a bra/unlikely to be a good angle.

Like idk I think she did it late 1989 era.

But maybe she didn’t who knows and I’m bad at telling plastic lmao

[dr-gloom]

Year After Year (It’s The Same Routine)

Day 13! (I wish it was Friday the 13th omgp) This is for @sanderssidesspook‘s Spook Month!

Prompt: Friday the 13th

Fandom: Sander’s Sides

Paring: LAMP/CALM

Words: 1,203

Summary: Patton loves many things, but Friday the 13th is not one of them. 

Tags/Warnings: superstition, cute poly boyos, Patt’s not all that into religion because lots of ppl use it as an excuse to hurt others, but he doesn’t have a problem with ppl being religious, cute phone contact names

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Patton loved Halloween, and October, and black cats, and children’s Halloween movies, and candy, and-

Patton loved a lot of things.

One of these things, however, was definitely not Friday the 13th. Patton had always been very superstitious, even going out of his way to avoid cracks in the sidewalk so he wouldn’t break his poor mother’s back! Needless to say, he did not like Friday the 13th. At all. It was especially bad if it was in October, and this year it was! He’d already decided that he’d stay inside all day, not use the stove or oven, and stay to the couch as much as possible.

It was only Monday.

Patton had sent a text through the group chat to let his boyfriends know that he wasn’t going to be available on Friday, due to his plans to not leave the couch for anything short of a life-or-death situation. It had taken 45 seconds for the texts to come pouring in; Logan’s confusion and exasperation, Roman’s promises to slay any threat that may befall them, and Virgil’s slightly-sarcastic support and kneedling.

Patton tried to reassure them, telling them that it was okay, he just didn’t want to risk anything. Logan assured Patton that superstition held no standing in the real world, and that scientifically, most - if not all - superstition was improbable or impossible. Patton knew that, but there was just something about it that resonated with him, and despite what others said he would always believe it. Just like religious people believed in God, despite most of them not able to tell you where The Big Man even was.

Rosen Bridge: Patton, religion and superstition are not the same thing.

Patt-ernal Love: I mean… They are???

Patt-ernal Love: Religion is based on old books that people just kind of assume have to be true just because other people wrote the same thing

Patt-ernal Love: And I get that! But that doesnt mean the stuff theyre writing about is right, or that were interpreting it right

Storm Cloud <3: can we not do the religion thing today pls

Roman Empire: i promise my love, i shall protect you from any and all harm!

Patt-ernal Love: I know you would, baby

Patt-ernal Love: But I still dont think its a good idea

Storm Cloud <3: then y dont we just come ovr

Storm Cloud <3: movie night

Storm Cloud <3: sleepover

Storm Cloud <3: watevr

Roman Empire: magnificent idea, johnny wept!

Storm Cloud <3: 2/10

Storm Cloud <3: poor presentation

Rosen Bridge: Roman, Virgil, please. We are adults.

Storm Cloud <3: try again

Storm Cloud <3: wow logan way to cut a guy off thats totally not rude

Rosen Bridge: I do apologize, Virgil, but you were both getting off-topic.

Roman Empire: right! i think a sleepover is a terrific idea!

Patt-ernal Love: Yeah! Lets do it!

Storm Cloud <3: so wat r we doing

Storm Cloud <3: coming ovr thursday night or

Patt-ernal Love: Sure!  

The conversation continued for another twenty minutes like that, the four men planning their Thursday/Friday hangout until Virgil had to go to class and Logan had to get back to work. Patton figured he should probably head to school too and pocketed his phone, grabbing his keys and leaving his apartment.

The rest of his week passed by both achingly slow and too fast, and before Patton knew it, it was Thursday. He got through his classes with jittery legs and ecstatic smiles, heading home in the early afternoon and rushing around to get his apartment cleaned. He knew Logan and Virgil were going to be early at the very least. Logan because he liked to be punctual, and Virgil because he was always anxious about being late to anything so he set alarms on his phone for at least thirty minutes before he really had to leave. Patton had just sat down when the doorbell rang, and he hopped up to his feet to answer it. He opened the door with a smile, the smile growing when he saw Virgil on the other side with a backpack slung over his shoulder, gripping one of the straps. He gives a lazy wave with his other hand, smiling just slightly.

“Hey, Pat.”

Patton throws himself at Virgil, pulling him into a bone-crushing hug. Virgil stumbles, surprised, and awkwardly pats Patton’s back. “P-Pat… Can’t breathe…” He wheezes. Patton lets go, smiling sheepishly. “Oh, sorry Virge!” Virgil shrugs it off and enters the apartment, sitting on the couch. Patton joins him, and Virgil almost immediately cuddles close, worming under Patton’s arm. He doesn’t mind; he loves cuddling with his boyfriends! He kisses the top of Virgil’s head and puts on Scary Godmother.

Logan came not too long after, Patton letting him in with the same smile and bone-crushing hug that he’d given Virgil. He pulled Logan into their cuddle pile, Virgil now sandwiched between two of his boyfriends (not that he was complaining). The three cuddled together for the next hour until Roman showed up, letting himself into the apartment with a flourish and confidently striding into the living room. He flops onto the couch, throwing himself across the others’ laps. Patton cards his hands through Roman’s hair. Logan gently massages Roman’s calves. Virgil rests his arms on Roman’s back.

Once Scary Godmother was over, Patton got up (with much complaining from Roman and Virgil) and made them all some popcorn, handing each person their own bowl and sitting back down. The next few hours passed like this, with the men watching Halloween movies and chatting or commenting on the movies. Virgil is the first one to fall asleep, head resting on Logan’s shoulder and mouth slightly open. The others make sure to speak quietly and turn down the volume on the TV so they don’t wake him, and it isn’t long until Patton is asleep as well, his hand stilling in Roman’s hair.

Roman looks up at Logan, who’s staring at the TV without really paying attention to it. Roman whispers, “What’re you thinking about, Specs?” Logan looks over at him, blinking tiredly.

“I am simply confused as to why people believe their actions hold a direct causation to something as unprovable as ‘luck’.” Roman blinks, smiling. “Well you don’t need to understand it to support him. I don’t get it either, but that doesn’t change the fact that he’s ‘our happy-pappy-Patton’.” He says with a smirk. Logan smiles slightly and nods. “I suppose you are right. Perhaps we should get some sleep, it is rather late.”

Roman nods, grabbing the remote and turning the TV off and falling asleep soon after.

The next day, Patton wakes up surrounded by his boyfriends. The four of them have a quiet breakfast indoors, then settle in the living room for more movies and a gaming marathon (read: Mario Kart), broken up by lunch and snacks. Nothing at all substantial or scary happened - unless you count Roman shrieking when he entered the kitchen to find Virgil sitting on top of the fridge - and the day passed with little fanfare, just like any other day Patton spent with his boyfriends.

He guessed he could learn to love Friday the 13th too.

[yesdotgooddot]

Namazus

So someone in a group asked me to tell them why I hate the namazu so much, and apparently it was ~too mean~ and was deleted. To perpetuate the truth and stand up for ethical journalism, I’m posting it here. [Rated NC-17 for language.] Disclaimer, I care about marine life more than I care about anything else, for real. Except this big dumb idiot. And it’s not like an ~ironic~ thing, I mean it IS hilarious to me and they ARE THE BIGGEST JOKE PLAYED ON THE PLANET but I seriously fucking hate them. THE WALKING FISH FUCKS (OR NAMAZU) They are the world’s largest walking fish, weighing up to 50 ponzes. And since they have ridicilous girth, that just makes them these absolutely giant fucking fish cylinders that the Gods must have accidentally dropped while playing bowling one day and shrugged their shoulders at because no one could have imagined this would happen. AND WITH NO PURPOSE. EVERY PONZE OF THAT IS A WASTED PONZE AND EVERY FULM OF IT (3 FM BY 1 FM) IS WASTED SPACE. They are so completely useless that scholars even debate about how they live. They have little control other than some minor wiggling of their limbs. Some say they must just push air out of their asses for direction (?????). They COULD use their back fin EXCEPT GUESS WHAT IT DOESNT FUCKING GROW LARGE ENOUGH. It just stops growing, so this piece of walking garbage just has a useless appendage.

So they don’t have swim bladders. You know, the one thing that every fish has to make sure it doesn’t just sink to the bottom of the ocean when they stop moving and can stay the right side up. This creature. That can barely move to begin with. Can never stop its continuous tour of idiocy across the world or it’ll fucking sink. EXCEPT. EXCEPT. When they get stuck on top of the water! Which happens frequently! Because without the whole swim bladder thing, if the ocean pushes over THE FATTEST MOST BARREL LOOKING FISH ON THE PLANET, shit outta luck! There is no creature on this world that needs a swim bladder more than this spit in the face of nature, AND YET. Some scholars have speculated that when they do that, they are absorbing energy from the sun because no one fucking knows how they manage to get any real energy to begin with. So they need the sun I guess. But good news, when they end up stuck like that, it gives birds a chance to land on their goddamn barrel of a body and eat the bugs and parasites out of its skin because it’s basically a slowly migrating cesspool. Pros and cons.

“If they have legs, they must at least be decent predators.” No. No. The most dangerous thing about them is, as you may have guessed, their stupidity. They have caused the death of one person before. Because it jumped onto a boat. On a hyur. And in the seventh umbral era it decided to relive its mighty glory days and do it again, this time landing on a lalafell. Luckily Nanamo sustained no injuries. Way to go, fish. Great job.

They mostly only eat jellyfish because of course they do, they could only eat something that has no brain and a possibility of drifting into their mouths I guess. Everything they do eat has almost zero nutritional value and because it’s so stupidly fucking round, it has to eat a tonze of the almost no nutritional value stuff to stay alive. Dumb. See that ridiculous open mouth? (This is actually why this is my favorite picture of one, and I have had it framed for three years) “Oh no! What could have happened! How could this be!” Do not let that expression fool you, they just don’t have the goddamn ability to close their mouths because their teeth are fused together, and ya know what, it is good it floats around with such a clueless expression on its face, because it is in fact clueless as all fuck.

They do SOMETIMES get eaten though. BUT HARDLY. No animal truly uses them as a food source, but instead (which has lead us to said painting) will usually just maim the fuck out of them for kicks. Seals have been seen playing with their fins like frisbees. Probably the most useful thing to ever come from them. “Wow, you raise some good points here, this fish truly is proof that the Gods have abandoned us.” Yes, thank you. “But if they’re so bad at literally everything, why haven’t they gone extinct.” Great question. BECAUSE THIS THING IS SO WORTHLESS IT DOESNT REALIZE IT SHOULD NOT EXIST. IT IS SO UNAWARE OF LITERALLY FUCKING EVERYTHING THAT IT DOESNT REALIZE THAT IT’S DOING MAYBE THE WORST FUCKING JOB OF BEING A FISH, OR DEBATABLY THE WORST JOB OF BEING A CLUSTER OF CELLS THAN ANY OTHER CLUSTER OF CELLS. SO WHAT DOES IT DO? IT LAYS THE MOST EGGS OUT OF EVERYTHING. Besides some bugs, there are some ants and stuff that’ll lay more. IT WILL LAY 300 MILLION EGGS AT ONE TIME. 300,000,000. IT SURVIVES BECAUSE IT WOULD BE STATISTICALLY IMPROBABLE, DARE I SAY IMPOSSIBLE, THAT THERE WOULDNT BE AT LEAST ONE OF THOSE 300,000,000 (that is EACH time they lay eggs) LEFT SURVIVING AT THE END OF THE DAY. And this concludes why I hate the fuck out of this complete failure of evolution, the Namazu. If I ever see one, I will throw rocks at it.

[eludum-a]

also, like, if i had more confidence in it, i’d make it my default setting that on this blog chihiro and chiaki were cousins to explain their similarities, but i dont wanna force that on any chihiros either... i just like the thought of them really being family

and also the thought of them having a relationship where they can go months w/o talking and communicate mainly via internet but once they do start talking again it’s like they never stopped?? they can both kinda be themselves w each other without too much fear of being judged. it doesnt change how lonely both of their childhoods would have been, but it also means they’d have at least a small beacon of light, too

(i know it seems unlikely that theyd be cousins AND have the same birthday but two of the mcelroy siblings have the exact same birthday so... thats my excuse. its not impossible it’s just improbable and having the same birthday is probably what helped them bond, like they ALWAYS make sure to send each other birthday wishes)

[awitnesstocorruption]

The Psychological Lessons of Youth

As I mentioned once theres a lot of intra conscious stuff that go by various names and concepts of different fields of study. Theres no need to dissect all of that because this advice is meant for the me of Fifth grade Elementary School or it could have been Sixth grade too.

Theres an observation made by the Psychiatrist VDA in his book explaining how one can become addicted to self pity at an early age and disable oneself psychologically and sociologically for the rest of ones life. All mental negativity is rightly considered self pity and thus ought to be rejected and perhaps replaced with an activity or diversion. My memory of what happened to me lead me to suggest the impossible or improbable for elementary pre-pubescent kids.

If I had a son in elementary school I would pay attention to the teachers assignment of homework and the expectations that the teacher might have regarding homework. In certain social classes and by that I mean among certain parents of children, there will NEVER EVER BE any kind of an assumption of responsibility or oversight of a childs "homework" activity. An ignorant naive child ought not be penalized because of his parents education level and socio-economic status or history. I would not give a kid homework for the reason that FAILURE IN THAT REALM OF EDUCATION, homework and assignments uncompleted or unassisted by parents or guardians will result in self pity, worry, upset, etc. Its simply NOT WORTH IT. Why destroy a kids psyche or perhaps induce fear which leads to procrastination or other ills of the mind and will? There was absolutely no way I could ever get parental assistance at my house and it sucks but thats reality. But how I was fked in the head was because of the kid capitalism of extra curriculum commercial kids books being sold through the Classroom. There was a contest in which "reading was encouraged" by competing against one another for how many books could be read within a certain period of weeks. Guess what? I didnt do my homework but since some friends I hung out with and liked were participating I tried to also and kept saying that Inhad rad books but I really hadnt but I promised myself I would before the end of the contest. But each night I would think about the scenario before I fell asleep and just experienced worry and anxiety every night. Every night. It fucked up my psyche and personality and greatly contributed to an addiction to the negativity of self pity. That nightly experience of just wallowing in worry was essentially just as bad if not worse than being victimized by bullys for some aspect of my clothing or demeanor considered weird or freakish.

But a kid that young doesnt realize the consequences, at least I didnt

But the advice against worry and negativity is also for adults too, the same thing happens. All those positive thought speakers are correct.

[pappito]

"So someone in a group asked me to tell them why I hate the ocean sunfish so much, and apparently it was ~too mean~ and was deleted. To perpetuate the truth and stand up for ethical journalism, I'm posting it here. [Rated NC-17 for language.] Disclaimer, I care about marine life more than I care about anything else, for real. Except this big dumb idiot. And it's not like an ~ironic~ thing, I mean it IS hilarious to me and they ARE THE BIGGEST JOKE PLAYED ON EARTH but I seriously fucking hate them. THE MOLA MOLA FISH (OR OCEAN SUNFISH) They are the world's largest boney fish, weighing up to 5,000 pounds. And since they have very little girth, that just makes them these absolutely giant fucking dinner plates that God must have accidentally dropped while washing dishes one day and shrugged his shoulders at because no one could have imagined this would happen. AND WITH NO PURPOSE. EVERY POUND OF THAT IS A WASTED POUND AND EVERY FOOT OF IT (10 FT BY 14 FT) IS WASTED SPACE. They are so completely useless that scientists even debate about how they move. They have little control other than some minor wiggling. Some say they must just push water out of their mouths for direction (?????). They COULD use their back fin EXCEPT GUESS WHAT IT DOESNT FUCKING GROW. It just continually folds in on itself, so the freaking cells are being made, this piece of floating garbage just doesn't put them where they need to fucking go. So they don't have swim bladders. You know, the one thing that every fish has to make sure it doesn't just sink to the bottom of the ocean when they stop moving and can stay the right side up. This creature. That can barely move to begin with. Can never stop its continuous tour of idiocy across the ocean or it'll fucking sink. EXCEPT. EXCEPT. When they get stuck on top of the water! Which happens frequently! Because without the whole swim bladder thing, if the ocean pushes over THE THINNEST BUT LARGEST MOST TOPPLE-ABLE FISH ON THE PLANET, shit outta luck! There is no creature on this earth that needs a swim bladder more than this spit in the face of nature, AND YET. Some scientists have speculated that when they do that, they are absorbing energy from the sun because no one fucking knows how they manage to get any real energy to begin with. So they need the sun I guess. But good news, when they end up stuck like that, it gives birds a chance to land on their goddamn island of a body and eat the bugs and parasites out of its skin because it's basically a slowly migrating cesspool. Pros and cons. "If they are so huge, they must at least be decent predators." No. No. The most dangerous thing about them is, as you may have guessed, their stupidity. They have caused the death of one person before. Because it jumped onto a boat. On a human. And in 2005 it decided to relive its mighty glory days and do it again, this time landing on a four-year-old boy. Luckily Byron sustained no injuries. Way to go, fish. Great job. They mostly only eat jellyfish because of course they do, they could only eat something that has no brain and a possibility of drifting into their mouths I guess. Everything they do eat has almost zero nutritional value and because it's so stupidly fucking big, it has to eat a ton of the almost no nutritional value stuff to stay alive. Dumb. See that ridiculous open mouth? (This is actually why this is my favorite picture of one, and I have had it saved to my phone for three years) "Oh no! What could have happened! How could this be!" Do not let that expression fool you, they just don't have the goddamn ability to close their mouths because their teeth are fused together, and ya know what, it is good it floats around with such a clueless expression on its face, because it is in fact clueless as all fuck. They do SOMETIMES get eaten though. BUT HARDLY. No animal truly uses them as a food source, but instead (which has lead us to said photo) will usually just maim the fuck out of them for kicks. Seals have been seen playing with their fins like frisbees. Probably the most useful thing to ever come from them. "Wow, you raise some good points here, this fish truly is proof that God has abandoned us." Yes, thank you. "But if they're so bad at literally everything, why haven't they gone extinct." Great question. BECAUSE THIS THING IS SO WORTHLESS IT DOESNT REALIZE IT SHOULD NOT EXIST. IT IS SO UNAWARE OF LITERALLY FUCKING EVERYTHING THAT IT DOESNT REALIZE THAT IT'S DOING MAYBE THE WORST FUCKING JOB OF BEING A FISH, OR DEBATABLY THE WORST JOB OF BEING A CLUSTER OF CELLS THAN ANY OTHER CLUSTER OF CELLS. SO WHAT DOES IT DO? IT LAYS THE MOST EGGS OUT OF EVERYTHING. Besides some bugs, there are some ants and stuff that'll lay more. IT WILL LAY 300 MILLION EGGS AT ONE TIME. 300,000,000. IT SURVIVES BECAUSE IT WOULD BE STATISTICALLY IMPROBABLE, DARE I SAY IMPOSSIBLE, THAT THERE WOULDNT BE AT LEAST ONE OF THOSE 300,000,000 (that is EACH time they lay eggs) LEFT SURVIVING AT THE END OF THE DAY. And this concludes why I hate the fuck out of this complete failure of evolution, the Ocean Sunfish. If I ever see one, I will throw rocks at it." -Scout Burns

[feathersandblue]

I think I actually over identify with Silver's choices and that is worth interrogating. I always thought myself quite radical. The whole of season 4 I was initially unnerved by this calmer Flint and then I just really needed him to rest. I cannot comprehend the possibility of a man so eager to change the world being shot alone in a place that doesnt exist and forgotten but I just wanted him to not have to live this life any longer.

Flint didn’t die on that island; there is no real reason to indicate he did. It’s just a theory that is vastly popular because it makes people believe they are clever for having picked up on a certain ambiguity. Conspiracy theories always feel more edgy. I mean, really, that scene of Flint being reunited with Thomas in that field was almost too sugary, wasn’t it? There just has to be something wrong with it. 

Anyway. In fiction, I absolutely love “the meaningful war”, but that’s because it’s full of action, full of glory, full of outcasts sticking together and earning improbable victories. God, I love the first two seasons of Black Sails so much, I love everything about it, Flint’s ferocity. I guess my favorites will always be 2.01 and 2.02. closely followed by 2.10. It feels so satisfying when shit starts going down in Charles Town. “Ready the guns! Full compliment.” YES YES YES. I live for that kind of narrative.

My rational self is quick to point out that war is not glorious. It is always, without exceptions, a loss of life, a waste of resources, and something that brings impossible suffering to everyone who is caught within. And even a revolution that starts with the best intentions inevitably eats its own children. We see that in evey warzone around the world, an escalation of violence, and BS has been very good at showing that escalation in season three and four, with Woodes Rogers and Flint starting a downward spiral, at the end of which stood the Spanish raid. 

God, nonnie, I feel you. Flint’s speech about darkness and freedom is something I relate to so strongly, and if we had dealt with Flint from season one, I would have said, hell yes, Jesus, let’s go to war.. But so much has happened between then and now, and I think seson four made it very obvious that this war didn’t benefit anyone, least of all Flint, and that he was ultimately ready, if unable, to let it go.

[clowngirlpony]

Sunfish

So someone in a group asked me to tell them why I hate the ocean sunfish so much, and apparently it was ~too mean~ and was deleted. To perpetuate the truth and stand up for ethical journalism, I’m posting it here. [Rated NC-17 for language.] Disclaimer, I care about marine life more than I care about anything else, for real. Except this big dumb idiot. And it’s not like an ~ironic~ thing, I mean it IS hilarious to me and they ARE THE BIGGEST JOKE PLAYED ON EARTH but I seriously fucking hate them. THE MOLA MOLA FISH (OR OCEAN SUNFISH) They are the world’s largest boney fish, weighing up to 5,000 pounds. And since they have very little girth, that just makes them these absolutely giant fucking dinner plates that God must have accidentally dropped while washing dishes one day and shrugged his shoulders at because no one could have imagined this would happen. AND WITH NO PURPOSE. EVERY POUND OF THAT IS A WASTED POUND AND EVERY FOOT OF IT (10 FT BY 14 FT) IS WASTED SPACE. They are so completely useless that scientists even debate about how they move. They have little control other than some minor wiggling. Some say they must just push water out of their mouths for direction (?????). They COULD use their back fin EXCEPT GUESS WHAT IT DOESNT FUCKING GROW. It just continually folds in on itself, so the freaking cells are being made, this piece of floating garbage just doesn’t put them where they need to fucking go. So they don’t have swim bladders. You know, the one thing that every fish has to make sure it doesn’t just sink to the bottom of the ocean when they stop moving and can stay the right side up. This creature. That can barely move to begin with. Can never stop its continuous tour of idiocy across the ocean or it’ll fucking sink. EXCEPT. EXCEPT. When they get stuck on top of the water! Which happens frequently! Because without the whole swim bladder thing, if the ocean pushes over THE THINNEST BUT LARGEST MOST TOPPLE-ABLE FISH ON THE PLANET, shit outta luck! There is no creature on this earth that needs a swim bladder more than this spit in the face of nature, AND YET. Some scientists have speculated that when they do that, they are absorbing energy from the sun because no one fucking knows how they manage to get any real energy to begin with. So they need the sun I guess. But good news, when they end up stuck like that, it gives birds a chance to land on their goddamn island of a body and eat the bugs and parasites out of its skin because it’s basically a slowly migrating cesspool. Pros and cons. “If they are so huge, they must at least be decent predators.” No. No. The most dangerous thing about them is, as you may have guessed, their stupidity. They have caused the death of one person before. Because it jumped onto a boat. On a human. And in 2005 it decided to relive its mighty glory days and do it again, this time landing on a four-year-old boy. Luckily Byron sustained no injuries. Way to go, fish. Great job. They mostly only eat jellyfish because of course they do, they could only eat something that has no brain and a possibility of drifting into their mouths I guess. Everything they do eat has almost zero nutritional value and because it’s so stupidly fucking big, it has to eat a ton of the almost no nutritional value stuff to stay alive. Dumb. See that ridiculous open mouth? (This is actually why this is my favorite picture of one, and I have had it saved to my phone for three years) “Oh no! What could have happened! How could this be!” Do not let that expression fool you, they just don’t have the goddamn ability to close their mouths because their teeth are fused together, and ya know what, it is good it floats around with such a clueless expression on its face, because it is in fact clueless as all fuck. They do SOMETIMES get eaten though. BUT HARDLY. No animal truly uses them as a food source, but instead (which has lead us to said photo) will usually just maim the fuck out of them for kicks. Seals have been seen playing with their fins like frisbees. Probably the most useful thing to ever come from them. “Wow, you raise some good points here, this fish truly is proof that God has abandoned us.” Yes, thank you. “But if they’re so bad at literally everything, why haven’t they gone extinct.” Great question. BECAUSE THIS THING IS SO WORTHLESS IT DOESNT REALIZE IT SHOULD NOT EXIST. IT IS SO UNAWARE OF LITERALLY FUCKING EVERYTHING THAT IT DOESNT REALIZE THAT IT’S DOING MAYBE THE WORST FUCKING JOB OF BEING A FISH, OR DEBATABLY THE WORST JOB OF BEING A CLUSTER OF CELLS THAN ANY OTHER CLUSTER OF CELLS. SO WHAT DOES IT DO? IT LAYS THE MOST EGGS OUT OF EVERYTHING. Besides some bugs, there are some ants and stuff that’ll lay more. IT WILL LAY 300 MILLION EGGS AT ONE TIME. 300,000,000. IT SURVIVES BECAUSE IT WOULD BE STATISTICALLY IMPROBABLE, DARE I SAY IMPOSSIBLE, THAT THERE WOULDNT BE AT LEAST ONE OF THOSE 300,000,000 (that is EACH time they lay eggs) LEFT SURVIVING AT THE END OF THE DAY. And this concludes why I hate the fuck out of this complete failure of evolution, the Ocean Sunfish. If I ever see one, I will throw rocks at it.

[brisbanecollection-blog]

ASX should cover its ears to AMP's noisy agitators

There is, however, a lot of qualifying guidance around that rule, not the least of which is ASXs stated reluctance to use its discretion to override a commercial decision taken by a board unless there are "clear and compelling reasons that justify its intervention. More to the point is the question of whether or not the businesses being sold are in fact AMPs "main undertaking". ASX uses what it describes as a "rule of thumb test in deciding whether or not to require a shareholder meeting to approve a sale. If the assets involved represent less than 50 per cent of the groups total assets, revenue and earnings it generally wont intervene. That doesnt, however, mean that if the sale represents more than 50 per cent of any or all of those metrics that it will automatically intervene. The key is how the exchange defines a main undertaking". Loading Theres a pertinent example provided within the ASX guidance notes. A hypothetical property company owns and operates 10 shopping centres. It has no other substantive businesses. It is experiencing financial difficulty so it proposes to sell eight of the centres but will continue to operate the remaining two. Is that the sale of its main undertaking? The guidance says no its main undertaking is to own and operate shopping centres and that hasnt changed, even if the scale of its operations will be smaller. AMP is a financial services business. While it is selling its legacy businesses it will remain a financial services business. One can argue about how significant the insurance and mature lines businesses are within the AMP portfolio (they represent about 30 per cent of its earnings base) but, given they have been "managed for value and have essentially been in run-off mode in recent years, it is very difficult to argue they are AMPs main undertaking. The agitated and agitating shareholders could themselves call a shareholders meeting, given that they would only need 5 per cent of the AMP register to requisition one. The deal with Resolution, however, is conditional only on regulatory approvals, so a shareholder-requisitioned meeting couldnt undo it. Under the ASX rules, a sale of a major undertaking must be conditional on shareholder approval, which presumably explains why the lobbying of ASX is occurring. What would happen if the ASX succumbed to the urgings, forced AMP to call a shareholders meeting to vote on the deal and it was rejected? Apart from the probability that Resolution would take legal action against AMP, and perhaps ASX, a shareholder vote against the transaction would place the AMP board in an impossible position. Effectively shareholders would be saying they dont trust the board or its commercial judgment.

AMP chairman David Murray.Credit:Louise Kennerley Chairman David Murray, acting chief executive Mike Wilkins and probably the other directors who agreed the deal would have little option but to resign and AMP would be in even worse strife than it is today. In reality, both an ASX change of heart and a shareholder rejection were there to be a meeting are highly improbable. AMP did look at all the options for the businesses being sold, including their retention. It also made contact with every potential purchaser of the businesses which any serious life insurance player would have known for the past couple of years, at least, were available for purchase before deciding the Resolution deal was the best outcome available. It tested the market for those assets and the Resolution deal represents their market value today. The calls for ASX to intervene should fall on deaf ears. ASX should, as its own guidance indicates, only intervene and override a boards commercial judgment in the most extreme of circumstances. It would be very aware that if it acted against AMP and forced it to hold a meeting it would set a precedent that would open the floodgates for disaffected shareholders to pressure ASX to freeze any major transaction. That would inevitably add costs, delays and potentially jeopardise the transaction regardless of the outcome of the shareholder vote. Thats definitely not something ASX would want to - or should - encourage. https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/business/companies/asx-should-cover-its-ears-to-amp-s-noisy-agitators-20181107-p50ei5.html?ref=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_source=rss_feed