#doesnt absolve her of anything

[cranberryspringart]

Why am I seeing vriscourse of all things in this year of our lord 2024????

[red-dyed-sarumane]

i like to think apoptosis tries to lie to tenshi but tenshi cares too much & has figured her out pretty well & can see through most of it. i dont have much to support this beyond the fact theyre clearly heavily tied together across their songs.

[sensitivegoblin]

👉🏻👈🏻 if you like littles pls feel free to dm meeee

[ninakaina]

"we're not supposed to feel happy it was bittersweet" oh but they absolutely pulled out all the stops to make sure those white people could absolve themselves of any sense of wrongdoing. yeah mark didn't do anything wrong and hes just following his heart but you understand that's the writers' fault. it could have been equally "bittersweet" if mark and gemma got out and left helly behind but you would have been choking and sobbing if that was the case. gemma could have kept running without mark even. they Literally put her in the corner because STILL theres no world, theres no way gemma gets to be happy or free in fact shes turning away from her freedom to try to get to the man she loves, she doesnt know whats going on or why hes leaving her, and mark and helly are doing the stupidest thing anyone ever considered. what happened to helly being all noble and telling mark to escape? fuck that, she just had to say it so she would be Still A Good Person but when it comes down to it she can look gemma in the eyes and run away with her husband knowing shes killing them both. gemma just exists to give emotional dimension to helly and marks relationship of course. and fuck innie mark and fuck ben stiller too i dont even give a shit anymore that made me sickkkk.

[aingeal98]

When you said cass smiled at David when he shot her because it was like love to her, like a kiss goodnight made me think - she can read that on him! She can see the pride and love he feels! He doesnt feel guilty at all! She feels loved because he feels love when she doesn't flinch, when she responds to his training like the perfect project! She never had any doubts about whether her childhood was normal because he never felt any doubt or guilt! He's so fucked up!

He's literally so fucked up like even though it doesn't absolve them at all and just makes them more pathetic to me, most abusers will generally have moments of remorse or guilt. It doesn't stop them of course, most won't stop until they're faced with actual consequences. But most would at least feel a bit sad about it even as they make it about themselves and their pain and how hard it is for them. Not significant enough to mean anything, usually just an excuse for them to be self pitying. But it's something.

Not David Cain though. He was having the time of his life and that joy was so prevalent Cass spends years looking back at this time of her life as an era of simple and ignorant happiness. Even though it's objectively the era she was suffering the most physically and mentally, she doesn't remember it that way. Because he was so proud and happy, and she learned to be proud and happy too.

[pruneunfair]

COBYB shit list (Rage post).

This isn't really an actual analysis or anything like that. Just a vent post to get out the frustrations of how willfully ignorant COBYB stans are.

It's all being a "girls girl" until it's this shit

When a woman wants to act obsessive and the man doesn't reciprocate, the woman is a creepy bitch who needs to go while the man is comforted by the audience and celebrated for rejecting the stalker (as it should be)

When a sexy man wants to be obsessive and abuse a girl to get out his frustrations of being in lust with someone who can't say no to him, she's just "rejecting her true feelings" and the man just doesn't know how to show his love in a normal way.

knowing damn well that this story would be treated as the psychological horror it truly is if Matthias looked like Marquess Sergev from I thought my time was up. Pretty privilege is so real right now.

"Oh he chose to do nothing against his bitchy mom! Kyle isn't deserving of Layla for being such a coward!"

"Matthias on the other hand buys Layla gifts even when he hurts her because he really does love her! It's the nobilities fault he's like this! He apologized in the end didnt he? 😢 he just doesn't know how to properly show his love!"

Be real: Everyone would adore her for "protecting her fiancé" and would sympathize with her if she was the lead of a basic isekai or regression.

Bro will meet this girl when she's 12 and get bliss out of torturing birds knowing it makes her cry and you still have people diagnosing Layla with BPD and absolving Matthias of all blame.

Hey guys, is this the look of a pleasured young woman after a so-called "fun night" in the woods?

You tell me?

Matthias can do whatever the hell he wants and it's just "He's a red flag but I'm color blind 😏" but GOD FORBID I defend Ari.

What? I thought you people LOVED toxic relationships as long as the guy is conventionally hot?

Layla gets coerced into being a mistress against her will so her uncle Bill will be safe and people STILL claim that it was not SA because she "consented" after her only remaining family members future was held as leverage.

"Who does she think she is? Kissing Matthias right in front of Layla 🙄"

His fiancé? And don't give me that "it was an arranged marriage" crap because we all know the manhwa community doesnt give a damn as evident by OTHER manhwas.

Plot twist: The ending wasn't actually Layla getting lobotomized by the plot to love Matthias. She just knew that man was never going to quit until she either accepted or he takes a page out of the song Sarah from Tyler the creator.

Yall know that "Grandma, you little victim." Meme that originated in tiktok? That's basically the best way to describe Laylas future when she grows old.

"If you don't like it, don't read, you're just justice farming for views 😒"

First of all, would you believe me if I said I got a basic summary of what happened thanks to getting a ton of COBYB related posts on tiktok and Instagram videos that were being extremely vague and gaslit you into thinking it was romance? (Yes, I did find the rest of the chapters to read so I could actually make a verified post but to begin with, I already knew a basic idea of what was happening.)

Second of all: if this were just some random 🍇 and degrading fetish comic on a porn site with little people defending it, I wouldn't feel the need to care. (EX: I don't make any abandoned empress posts because everyone already hates it so there's no need to say what has been said a million times already) this is a gross porn novel that was put on a site mostly inhabited by 10-16 year old girls that makes stalking and 🍇 look sexy thanks to the artstyle and the ML being a buff BTS blow up doll and instead of it being called out, you got THOUSANDS of people tarnishing the name of dark romance so they can justify a grapist while pretending to be girl's-girl's instead of coming to terms with the fact that the comic with a beautiful artstyle is grade A garbge.

[user2718273]

Terrorheads r always dunking on goodsir for the moral absolutism & then having absolutely no nuance in their own conceptions of good & evil. Like when goodsir finally snaps & poisons the mutineers ppl are like "oh see hes a bad person cus he couldnt forgive them cus he only thinks in black & white!!!!" but like bro. If somebody kidnapped u and forced u to carve up your coworkers' bodies for consumption u would not feel too friendly toward them i think. Or just how ppl talk abt goodsir in general. Like yeah he believes in colonizer shit, he was raised by colonizers. Every1 on the ships believes in colonizer shit i fear. But he gets more shit abt it than anyone else bc theres this weird conception that its worse to try and do good and get it wrong than to just straight up act out of vanity or greed. Not that goodsir should be absolved of anything, but its weird how ppl have so little empathy for characters whose desire to do good is tainted by ideological conditioning. Like bro i hate to break it to u. We all have ideological conditioning. If u act like thats some inherent moral flaw and not the inevitable product of living in a society and absorbing that society's beliefs, u will have a very hard time recognizing it outside of tv shows where people are just characters.

Also theres a difference between having no empathy for franklins men bc ur pissed at them and having no empathy out of principle. I feel like theres some recognition of personhood that comes w putting someone on the receiving end of a human emotion like anger, whereas if ur just like "logically i know colonizer bad, so empathy for colonizer = bad," ur putting them on a subhuman level out of the reach of emotion. U dont feel anger or empathy for them. U never find out what u feel toward them bc without accepting the possibility that u might reach muddy, nuanced, morally frustrating conclusions, theres no wiggle room to feel what u feel. But then u never get to feel the anger either. U cant understand things from either side bc once u start trying to sort everything into concrete moral categories, then ur not understanding individuals, ur defining variables, and everything becomes theoretical. I feel like thats part of the reason why when ppl put the expedition on the level of the subhuman, they often elevate the netsilik to the superhuman. Like ppl have a weirdly hard time conceptualizing that silna has complex motivations & is capable of developing complex relationships w other characters? Theyre just like "oh wow shes being so nice to goodsir, she must have stockholm syndrome or be wayyy too forgiving." Cus if u imagine franklins men as having one pure and self-contained nature that opposes the pure and self-contained nature of the netsilik, then theres no way they can genuinely interact. They can only touch each other under the guise of something else. Silna must not adequately understand goodsir's role in the fuckery ripping up her world. Which is ridonkulous to me bc her first interaction w him was when his party shot her father & then goodsir prevented him from dying on the ice. Like. She is not under any illusions that this man isnt part of the hurt and destruction. She just finds a way to care abt him anyway. Not bc she's some fountain of forgiveness, but bc despite the things she must hate about him, there are also things she loves. Same w crozier. Idk if she feels affection for him in the same way she does goodsir, but she def doesnt just save him bc shes a saint. She feels anger and bitterness just like any other person, and if she wanted to, she couldve left crozier to die like des voeux. Personally i think she saved him bc he was the only one left who had seen what she'd seen and she didnt wanna have to bear it alone but idk. She had her reasons. Anyway goodsir is literally a butch buttom so the wokes cant even get her. #She positionality on my moral puritanism til i absolve

[ozfi]

misogyny in agito past hojos pathetic useless waste of space behavior begin ... well it was always there tbh! [i think this began drafting at 17?]

seeing hojo as not someone with a specific vendetta against ozawa is a failure of the police by default. but then we bring in his teacher, tsukasa, who immediately addresses hikawa first at the table out of all three SAUL members, asks for his point of view, and then prompts ozawa to follow up on hikawa. like shes not the woman in charge of all of it. he asks if they know why, and hikawa goes uh.. and ozawa says No. We don't know yet. and he immediately says oh so you dont know ANYTHING you USELESS FUCKS. obviously we know where hojo gets it

the thing about ozawa is that she is a genius. she went to MIT young. she invented the entire G3 system with her bare hands. she runs SAUL and its her duty. but it does not Belong To Her. the other officers are all men, her senior officers are all men. and they constantly try to take the wheel out of her hands. they constantly take hojos word over her own despite his constant failures and proving himself to be a pathetic coward. ozawa gets NO special treatment, which in theory is reasonable, but she doesnt get Standard treatment either. no matter how smart she is, she is a woman, and in the police (or anywhere in the workforce) that means she has to tolerate pathetic loser men with no talent and no skill beyond being an obsessive bootlicking dipshit being treated as on the same level as her. IT FUCKING SUCKS!

even the addition of tsukasa as his mentor does not absolve him. take a gander at this very funny screenshot.

see, the plot in the episodes leading to 19 is that tsukasa is rigging the game against SAUL to get away with murder and nepotism, and in doing so being a misogynistic and condescending prick towards ozawa and her unit and their intelligence overall. the thing is that hojo goes along with this! there is no point in these episodes where he is acting differently than usual except when he realizes his mentor Probably killed someone. if he is otherwise, its because hes so happy to torment ozawa along with his mentor. if anything, this shows that hojo is good at detective work when he applies himself. but he doesnt apply himself to anything but trying to make ozawa's life worse because hes obsessed with the G3 unit.

the only person who gets the grace of a bias being removed is another man in a senior position. not a woman. never a woman.

and ozawa is still kind enough to invite him to bbq afterwards. 🖕

then, you know, V-1 with a board full of male builders, the "best in the world", trying to surpass the G3-X. there is no implication that hojo did a smidge of it himself.

"i flaunt you to express my own ability, but how dare you think youre anyone who matters". feeling threatened by her intellect to the point of admitting that if he saw G3-X's proposal he would give up on V-1, to try to knock her down pegs that she earned and deserves. these are all the kinds of people hojo allies with willingly! doubting her honesty and her will and her dedication to her job. not listening to her as a person and going over her head to the men in charge. and there is nothing ozawa can do about it but prove them wrong, over and over, even if they keep doubting the abilities shes proven she has. over and over.

even her own unit member!!!

for hojo, after G3-X proves its worth, this stops his overeager direct haranguement of them, though hes still unpleasant whenever they meet. at least now hes actually doing his job, and for what its worth, hes pretty good at it when hes not wasting his time annoying SAUL.

ozawa is fantastic because these obstacles are neverending, but she never gives up, and she never truly backs down. she refuses to cede any undeserved ground. and her flaw is exactly the same as her strength: shes too smart, she makes things that are too powerful, and theyre hard for others to handle. G3-X injures hikawa so badly he should not be able to move. in that way, things that are too perfect are dangerous, and human flaw is what allows us to shine. it's not that she believed too much in either G3-X or hikawa, but instead that the pursuit of perfection is, in of itself, flawed. in that way, shes a true agito protagonist.

[batmanisagatewaydrug]

i Saw that you were reading yellow face and i was wondering if youd seen withcindys video on it. shes a vietnamese american booktuber, and in her video, she discusses the debate about who can write what stories (like can someone from a diaspora community write a story about the trauma suffered by those in the country their family originated from?) as well as the roll of social class and how it interacts with other factors.

its a really interesting watch and she doesnt pull any of her punches.

hi I just watched it! I don't disagree with anything withcindy says about the advantages that economic status bring to authors in the publishing industry, or that RF Kuang has benefitted hugely from her wealth and the education its afforded her, but it does seem very strange to omit that fact that in Yellowface Athena is revealed to have spent almost her entire literary career benefitting off of other people's pain. the reveal that she (likely) plagiarized June's experience with being sexually assaulted is, I think, pretty crucial to framing their relationship; while it certainly doesn't absolve June of her racism or plagiarism, there is a basis to her resentments that's certainly more personal and grounded in a legitimate criticism of Athena other than being jealous of her being wealthy, pretty, and successful.

I also think this is exactly the kind of exploration of Athena's wealth that withcindy claims is absent from the book; the impression I got of Athena was very much that, having grown up with extreme privilege, she was out of touch enough to feel zero compunctions or remorse about shamelessly mining other people's lives for trauma and turning them into best-selling stories. so I don't know that it's entirely fair to say that all criticism of Athena is just criticism of RF Kuang coming out of the mouthpiece of a jealous bitch when Athena herself seems to have been written as very consciously based on Kuang's own experiences but also pretty intentionally out of touch and unpleasant; maybe I'm being overly generous, but I took Kuang's depiction of Athena to be much more deliberate and tougue in cheek than withcindy seems to.

this is also kind of nitpicky but withcindy keeps referring to the idea that the book ought to be more nuanced as a "literary novel," which seems strange since the term literary novel doesn't actually come with any suggestion of style or substance; all that literary fic is meant to denote is a book that doesn't fall neatly into other categories of genre fiction and tends to be driven more by character than plot. Yellowface is very much within that framework, and has a lot in common with other recent novels like The Other Black Girl and Disorientation that also satirize racism in publishing and academia, respectively.

idk it's not baseless criticism but it seems to overlook any part of the book that doesn't gel neatly with the thesis withcindy is trying to present about RF Kuang and that doesn't mmm strengthen the argument

[buggitino]

just finished watching “Eric” last night and it was great - my one and only issue with it is how they treat Vincent like his problems are the only problems and everything bad that happens is his fault because hes “crazy”

like yeah hes an alcoholic and yeah he isnt the best father but, when he looks for Edgar, he looks. he doesnt half ass anything and he doesnt give up, he puts everything he has into finding Edgar. he learned from his dads neglect and ended up being too intense. i cant fault him too much for that cause like. everyone - including his parents - has treated him horribly since childhood so ofc hes gonna lash out. but its framed to make him look evil or crazy at almost every turn which is really frustrating

i have a lot of issues with Cassie but i especially hate how the show completely absolves her of any wrongdoing just because Vincent was the greater of two evils (i wont spoil anything but know that i was gripping my head and rolling my eyes and losing my mind cause of how she was framed to be little miss perfect and then never fucking learned from what SHE did wrong)

but other than that everything was really good and the storyline was interesting and everything made sense and was connected really nicely at the end

[irregodless]

popular is actually a very important song to the themes in wicked. even the wizard confirms them

glinda tells elphaba that political figures and social influencers arent those who are the most qualified, theyre the ones who are most accepted. ol oscar echoes this later by telling elphaba history is just the perspective of the favorable. whether or not youre regarded as a protector or a tyrant has everything to do with your pr and who ends up coming out on top

in fact he even goes so far as to say yeah we all know even our celebrated leaders are kinda shit BUT we choose not to acknowledge it. because its easier that way. which is how oz functions at a whole which plays into how maguire played with how it was viewed in the book. the wizard of oz is a magical fantastical place! because dorothy is a child. because the ozians want to show off their best. maguire notes how even the emerald city was filled with slums and ghettos. but are you going to show that to a visitor? is a child from kansas going to know how to pick out vagrants or prostitutes? the wizard of oz was created to be enjoyed by children and so maguire writes the land to, by its leaders, be callow and immature even in its handling of mature issues. its part of why you get such silly wacky fantasy names in a story about. well. A Lot.

oh hes a winkie from the western vinkus isnt that so silly >w<!! We Are Committing Eugenics Against Animals

glinda points this out to elphaba. by having a visceral emotional reaction she has ruined her cause. i dont think even in the books she had any sympathizers that werent Animals. but she needs more than the side of the oppressed to make cause. glinda would have been her best pr manager. elphaba COULD have swallowed her pride and played along with the wizard. i mean after all she has actual magic and he only has parlor tricks. but thats not in her character and is arguably a fatal character flaw of hers

that is until you consider glinda. glinda sympathizes with elphaba at least to some extent. and we see her gain great success... but she still only holds up the status quo. would elphaba have been able to slip out of the political trappings to actually reform oz from the inside? or would the background players like morrible who are also in control subdued her

glinda certainly didnt end up changing anyones minds. not even when she tried to make people have empathy for elphaba by explaining how she had a family and childhood like anyone elses. of course... ephabas family having religious and political Eminence probably didnt help the lower classes who elphaba should have been able to appeal to easily view her favorably

"its not about aptitude, its the way youre viewed" well elphaba already knows how shes viewed. shes so keenly aware she has an entire speech she starts ranting off the minute she introduces herself to anyone. she doesnt want to play along with this game of optics because shes been losing it her whole life and has been victimized by it

she idolized the wizard. she viewed the wizard as the way to absolve how shes perceived. but when she sees the man behind the curtain she doesnt want that anymore. she CANT want it anymore as she says. now that she cant rely on oscar... shes given up on the concept that anyone could make her be viewed favorably. and so she takes the road that makes HER happy. its not the most effective one and its not the comfortable one but its the one that doesnt jeopardize her morals and values and doesnt keep her grounded

she died a villain who couldnt do much for her cause beyond terrorism and being an antaognistic force for the wizard who otherwise would have faced no pushback but she died being true to herself and not changing herself like how everyone in oz wanted her to

and yet did she actually not achieve anything? the world needs a scapegoat, after all. oscar said so himself. elphaba didnt stop the cruelty against animals completely, but she gave oz a new player to target their hate against. and in this way she also manages to undermine oscars power if only slightly

to quote twisted which itself was inspired by wicked:

What remains of a man when that man is dead and gone? Only memories and stories of his deeds will linger on, but if a man's accomplishments aren't in the tale they tell, are the deeds that go unheralded his legacy as well? [...] The question then is whether 'tis nobler in the mind to be well-liked but ineffectual, or moral but maligned? I'll never be the hero all the citizens adore, but if I hide to save my life, what has my life been for?

[red-dyed-sarumane]

my friend asked me to put together all the ways oumen & apoptosis are connected as songs today & i love those two so naturally ive been on this since i woke up & after really going thru the lyrics Yet Again i think i FINALLY have my answer about tenshi's song right.

so basically we know the nami no ne no motif from aru sekai shoushitsu being present in a song means whoever in the song is still a "person"/still has their free will & gets to continue into the next loop. standard info. in all the other songs this is mixed into the instrumental, the only times its sung are in shoushitsu of course & in oumen mokushiroku. didnt think much of it when the song first came out bc like yeah thats just whats in series songs. but more & more across various songs, shoushitsu, apoptosis, kanon, oumen itself it talks about sacrifice & implies that sacrifice was a permanent death. oumen as a whole is her not wanting to accept that sacrifice role, she doesn't have a choice in it, but she doesnt want it either, (& apoptosis being it was originally that girl who was supposed to be the sacrifice but she pushed it off on someone else, therefore is the reason tenshi's song goes the way it does in the first place)

so then why does she have the motif if everything else including her herself say that she dies permanently.

i propose to u my newest theory.

the whole song is her wishing she had more time, not wanting to do it, she wants to live. so. since she's specifically singing it. im willing to bet its a last wish of hers. that somehow, someway, she still has enough free will to counteract the act of sacrifice, if she wishes hard enough, if she holds enough of her own desires, then maybe against everything, she'll get to live on into the next loop. basically, not a sign that she Does live, rather, just that she desperately WANTS to

[lazaruspiss]

Ok I’m gonna shoot my question here while you are in a analysis red hood mode (??): what do you think about his mommy issues (and fandom’s making it a trope)?

ooooo oh ok ok. this ones touchy. while i dont think its that present in canon i do think its there and worth the however many fics there are about it. like obvi theres probably a lot of boring and/or bad takes about it but the concept itself isnt running contradictory to canon or anything. i reread aditf a bit for this and had some tangents ill put in another post, but back to mommy issues.

jason had very little parental presence in his life at all. dads in prison, moms sick, he has no one looking out for him. probably why he and bruce seem to have bonded fairly quickly and jason accepted him as a father figure faster than any of the others. jasons bar for what makes a decent parent was nonexistent bc hed never really had someone dedicated to taking care of him. (even damian was hesitant, bc bruce being his dad would create distance between him and dick bc dick would no longer be his mentor, and hed gotten a bit attached)

jason accepted bruce as a father, but still missed his parents. he loved and grieved for both of them and most likely missed the idea of having normal parents in general in addition to missing his parents themselves. his love for his mom is still there when he realizes shes his step-mom instead, but it's accompanied by the hope that he still has living family out there.

the fact that jason went on a mom hunt in the first place is already enough that im like, yeah, i see where the mommy issues talk comes from. but i think you can go a few different directions with it

so theres catherine todd, who we only really know as being sick and a substance user throughout jasons childhood up until her death. iirc she died while willis was either already dead or in prison and so theres a period of time where jason (10-12ish?) would be taking care of his mother alone. being your mother's caretaker when you're still in elementary school does not make for a normal relationship.

and sheila haywood was uh. an illegal surgeon of sorts who fled the country and started a new life. apparently had an existing connection to the joker when she lived in gotham. he knows who she is and he knows how to blackmail her. while sheila describes it to jason as an operation gone wrong, joker calls it an "illegal surgery that killed a teenage girl" and sheila didnt seem to dispute that. probably watered down a lot of details in her explanation to jason. (the combination of 'illegal' and 'teenage girl' feels like it could imply an abortion? but it's left vague) and THEN it turns out she was stealing money meant to be used to save starving refugees before the joker even showed up. she sure is something. she still tries to help jason after he helps her, but don't skip over the part where she helps him after he helps her. she is still a person, but she is a fundamentally selfish person in every way. her final words include her commenting on how jason was a good kid who loved his mother. ive seen people take her final moments as a show that she still loved him, but i don't see it. one of those "a person doing a fraction of a good thing doesnt absolve them of everything else" kind of deals.

in both cases jasons mother(s) were relying on him. he never had an opportunity to be cared for and treated like a child. i don't think jason would have specific "mommy issues" about either of them, i think that he'd have some heavy feelings about the concept of a mother itself. what's it like to have a mom? does he still have a chance to be cared for and nurtured? his childhood was over before he had even met batman. becoming robin and being murdered is just tripling the issues he would've already had about his childhood regardless.

this is starting to veer off topic but

yes im finding a way to make this about Brothers in Blood. bite me. but even the first time i read this something that really stuck out is how jasons imaginary version of dick refers to him as a kid. dick doesnt really... do that. he did back when jason really was a kid, but this page says a lot about jasons self perception. he still wants to be taken care of, even if its not specifically "mommy issues" he definitely yearns for a chance to be treated like a kid again, after having rarely gotten that kind of care when he was a kid. (this page in particular is the first page of nightwing (1996) #121, which is one that i have a physical copy of <3)

[ultimateplaylistmaker]

(Same anon as the Gonta-Kokichi-Miu comic post) That Gonta afterlife AU sounds really. (Btw, sorry for using capslock a lot in that post, I tried to cut some of it down after I'd already finished writing the post but there was too much in that post to do in like 5 minutes).

I wonder what the other dead v3 members would think about Alter Ego Gonta though. I can see the Alter Ego looking really mad when someone says that he "was just manipulated", "it's okay, you don't have to listen to him anymore", "I'll give you some time to catch up with your feelings about him!," and "Don't worry, I'll make sure he won't bother you until you want to confront him!". Imagine some of them thinking the reason the two Gontas can't reunite is cause they haven't expected they're manipulated.

It's not really a secret that the cast kinda hate Kokichi, even back in chapter 3 when the worst thing he'd done was the Insect Meet and Greet which even Kaito, in a roundabout way, admitted the idea of was good, no one thought to ask about his head wound (I headcanon that someone-Kiibo maybe- did a bit of first aid on him before the trial but we're sadly never gonna get clarification on that). Even Kirumi had to call him "a despicable cretin" before she died for no reason (well, there was a reason, but did the writers really have to include at least one line of every character hating on Kokichi?)

Though the people who hated him the most due to being there for chapter 4 are alive and well (Kiibo forgave him, Tsumugi gets no say in this matter she is worse, and Kaito kinda depends on who you ask and if they care about that one line he says about Kokichi right before his execution- which was actually changed to sound meaner in the localization I believe?). I can definitely see some people (Angie, Tenko, etc.) hating (or upgrading to despising) him when they learn about what he did in chapter 4 from Miu or someone else.

This would definitely lead to Gonta getting a free pass from everyone cause "it wasn't his fault," and Gonta just going along with everyone but wondering if maybe, just maybe he might have had a hand in planning Miu's death as well, arranging the whole thing. I mean, who really knows, Kokichi does but you can never be sure about the percentage of honesty in his claims. This leads Gonta right back to his Alter Ego, who, wouldn't you know it, has the answers and tells him to think back on his friendship with Kokichi, before the killing game got to their heads and took away their morals. And maybe, after he finishes doing this himself and offering an olive branch to Kokichi, he can convince some of his easier-going classmates to do the same (I now want someone to write an ao3 fic about this).

Anyway, this is just my vision for Afterlife Ougoku friendship. I would love to see more of this, or another, Afterlife AU though.

I will give Kirumi a pass, Kokichi did like, have her chase him for hours and constantly called her a name she hated, personal vendetta against kokichi acceptable when you are kirumi and he wont leave you the fuck alone with the mommy comments.

Honestly I am rotating the imagery of two Gonta ghosts, alter ego and memory loss, Ego and Loss for short and how they have to interact. Loss feels betrayed but also uncertain because of the things Ego said about not being tricked and things not adding up, but he's surrounded by people telling him he has never done anything wrong in his life and I love Gonta but he is a little terrible at peer pressure and not falling in with a crowd so Loss could get definitely talked more against Kokichi and trying to absolve himself of blame, even if he's always going to have that kind of sick feeling of being desperate for the acknowledgement you did something please someone see he did things wrong because you know you did but no one will face it and that hurts more, while Ego is frustrated but also isolating in that Gonta angst because he doesnt think he should share the information he got and he's angry that even in death his friends are still hating each other and he doesn't know how to fix it or what to do and he's blaming himself too much for the murder.

Like it doesn't even have to be ougoku this as just a character study of the facets of Gonta's personality is already fascinating and I am already thinking of duet songs for them

[lesbianp1lled]

one of my exes (lesbian) I am still friends with is always "subtly" investigating if I am an evil terf or not. Shes is almost 40 lmao. Back in the day we broke up but became friends again years later during the pandemic. Shes the only person I can talk to about lesbian romance books and movies (yea I am bad at building community leave me alone lol). Its not like I am hiding anything. I say stuff like, homosexual people are attracted to the same sex, so lesbians arent into trans women. But its like shes trying to get me to outright say that I want trans people dead or something. She constantly throws in stuff like "some women dont have a vulva though" or "I think trans people are so brave, can't even imagine what its like to be in the wrong body :(". She is definitely lesbian, gold star and everything. I honestly think she acts that way bc she is "safe". She is like me and doesnt have much of an LGB community. As far as I know she has never so much as met a trans person and in her mind they are those little innocent beans who just want to live their life uwu. She doesnt want to date anymore and overall just does her thing in life, which is fine but it keeps her in this bubble. She would never date a TiM but she acts as if other women not doing so is evil. Saying "I am not interested in dating anyone at all haha so I am not excluding anyone" as if that absolves her of the evil sin of not wanting dick. A former teacher of mine is also a lesbian and we got back in touch some time ago. She told me that she wants to help the trans kids in her school more and is "reflecting a lot of thoughts about sexuality" because she was told being a lesbian is offensive by some damn KIDS. How can these women have so little backbone? A friend of mine said that its because they are older and just dont understand the current political climate and everything. But I don't believe that. They know exactly how homophobic all of this is. It's either stupidity or malicious "I am one of the good gays, so I as an individual am safe from being cancelled. All other gays are super evil <3".

It’s so pathetic pandering to a community that is homo/lesphobic towards us and doesn’t give a shit about actual lesbians or gays

[cuntstable]

I know you're currently obsessed with Dunmeshi, but there's an aspect about Stocean I really can't get over...

Jotaro is such a shitty father. I don't give a damn if he cares about his daughter so much, I literally can't imagine him as a good father if he wasn't absent. If Jolyne had gotten to deck him at least once in the story, maybe I would've forgiven him. The fact that there are SOOOO many JoJo fans who defend Jotaro being an absent father makes me go nuts. Maybe it's because I have trauma relating to my own father but still. Jotaro, (a.k.a Mr. Misogyny himself), truly doesn't deserve an amazing daughter like Jolyne.

I still love Stocean mind you, but Christ I don't care how tragic the Kujo family is, Jolyne deserves a better dad.

yeah i feel like a lot of jojo fans DO struggle to accept that even if jotaro did do it out of what he believed were Good reasons he still deeply hurt and scarred jolyne by abandoning her. like ultimately his intentions are secondary to the very real trauma and pain he caused his daughter. thats the real tragedy, and jolyne ultimately forgiving him doesnt absolve him of that mistake

im a bit conflicted on the story aspect of it because on the other hand jolyne gaining peace with her childhood and her relationship with her father after learning his reasons for leaving is i think a really beautiful and touching character development moment for her. it also fits the theme of Memory in stocean, since its effectively her recontextualizing her memories of her father and of her abandonment and thus gaining strenght from them. but i DO also really wish we had gotten more of her being angry and conflicted about it before finding peace with that fact. i can personally definitely relate to how hurt and angry she was when jotaro first visited her in jail (mr. misogony father 2…..) but the switch between her hating him and forgiving him feels very fast considering the lifetime of pain between them. like i wish araki had let her express that anger and sadness more

also i AGREE that its a bit dumb how a lot of jojo fans swear that if it wasnt for jotaro leaving because of the stand stuff and his trauma with losing his loved ones to it he would have been a good dad. like be serious……. hes still an incredibly emotionally distant and emotionally constipated man who clearly has a Not Great way of showing affection for his loved ones (with holly for example, he loves his mom more than anything in p3 but still cant openly accept affection from her or show it in return), not to mention his misogony….. like theres no world where jotaros and jolynes relationship would have been perfect or uncomplicated, and i think thats a part of their tragedy and what makes jolyne such a sad yet strong character