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On Names
So I try to post (work of some kind) on my days off + stats, and it's BC Day, but I didn't quite manage to crank out a chapter of Satisfaction in time (I did write 5K today, though - I cannot wait until I can quit my second job and write fanfic on the weekend), so here is a rant/meta I did about my pet peeves on names in fic, and how this applies to Veronica Mars specifically. (I started with a wide net, but the main focus ended up there because of course it did.)
Fanfiction peeve of the day –
Please, I am begging you, pay attention to names in canon! It’s so glaring when people get it wrong, but it’s so common and I don’t understand!
If two characters have any kind of important relationship in canon and we see them interact more than once or twice, we know what they call each other. Do not deviate from that to be cute, or to emphasize a character’s accent. (Cordelia’s nickname is Cordy. Doyle calls her Cordy. He also calls her Cordelia. He should not be calling her ‘Delia’ just because he’s Irish.) Do not randomly switch a character’s nickname to a different nickname for no reason, or so that their love interest is calling them something special! (Shortened nicknames are not a thing in Middle-earth unless you are a hobbit. Unless you feel qualified enough with Sindarin (usually) name construction to have someone give their friend or spouse an epessë like ‘Tinúviel’, that person should be using their full name. Yes, even if it’s three syllables. Spare me from this ‘Fara’ nonsense – Eowyn would call him ‘Faramir’. Yes, always.) Do not assign a character who doesn’t use nicknames a nickname they never use in canon just because you can’t imagine intimacy coexisting with a long name, or a standard one! (Hermione goes by Hermione. She takes pains to get Viktor Krum to say her full name, even if she tolerates a bit of mispronunciation. She is not ever called Mione.) If someone threw out a one-off joke nickname for someone, for the love of Dante, do not start using it as a regular form of address!
And for the love of god, pay attention to the context in which people use nicknames! I am running across this willy-nilly in the Veronica Mars fandom right now, so, for my sanity:
Veronica:
I am reading an otherwise mostly-good fanfic right now where Logan keeps calling Veronica ‘Ronica’ and it’s driving me up the wall. No one has ever called her ‘Ronica’ in the history of ever, and it’s not even a standard nickname for Veronica, so it’s even worse. (This is extra annoying to me because I happen to think ‘Ronica’ is an exceptionally stupid nickname (although it would actually be fine as a name in its own right), but YMMV.)
Veronica typically doesn’t use nicknames, she doesn’t introduce herself with nicknames, she’s comfortable with her full name. Her dad (nor her mom for that matter) never calls her anything but ‘Veronica’ (or ‘honey’). Her two long-term boyfriends only ever call her Veronica (with one exception that I will Get Into below). Cliff, Wallace, and especially Weevil have been known to call her ‘V’* on occasion, which is a sign that they have relatively close relationships to her that also have a strong element of casualness or flippancy (notably, during Season Four, when they are not close, Weevil only ever calls her ‘Veronica’). Lilly, who was exceptionally close to her, lengthens her name as a nickname/form of endearment, calling her ‘Veronica Mars’ pretty often.
Logan does call her ‘Ronnie’ in early Season One. This is extremely obviously him being an asshole; he’s addressing her by a diminutive she doesn’t use to emphasize that they’re no longer friends and because doing so is inherently demeaning (imagine if you have a Michael who goes by Michael (or even Mike) and you suddenly start calling him ‘Mikey’ – it’s rude and dismissive). No one ever calls her that except him and Dick, and once Logan and Veronica are back on good terms, no one calls her that except Dick, who is doing it to be irreverent and disrespectful. It is objectively incorrect for her friends and/or boyfriend to be calling her ‘Ronnie’ and utterly bizarre for the narration to be referring to her that way.
*I feel strongly that it should be ‘V’ and not ‘Vee’ because it’s not short for a name that starts with a ‘vee’ sound (e.g., if her name was Vianne or Vita I might feel differently), it’s the actual letter V that her name starts with, but I acknowledge that that’s subjective.
Also, Felix referred to her as ‘blondie’ one time, dismissively, to Weevil – ‘Blondie’ is not his nickname for her! Wallace, insomuch as he has a nickname for her, calls her ‘V’, although he sticks with ‘Veronica’ most of the time; ‘SupaFly’ was a one-off joke and he should not be calling her that on the regular any more than she should be calling him ‘Sodapop’* just because she made an Outsiders reference in the pilot.
*And on that note, it’s ‘Sodapop’ because that’s the name of a character from The Outsiders, not ‘soda pop’ like the drink.
Logan:
I am begging you, Weevil called Logan ‘Opie’ one time. It was a generic insult, not a nickname. Even in an AU where they’re somehow bros, it is not something he would be calling him on a regular basis! (Conversely, Logan should not be calling him ‘Paco’ for the same reason, and also because it’s racist so that’s even worse!)
Weevil:
Authority figures (Keith, various teachers, Cliff when representing him in court, etc.) typically call Weevil ‘Eli’; his friends, particularly the PCHers, call him ‘Weevil’ pretty much exclusively (except for Veronica), and his family seems to waver between the two with a preference for his actual name – his grandmother calls him both ‘Eli’ and ‘Weevil’ when she’s talking about him, but sadly we don’t get enough scenes with her to know what’s more common (the only time we hear her actually address him she calls him ‘m’ijo’), Chardo usually calls him ‘Weevil’ but switches to ‘Eli’ when he’s making an emotional appeal, Claudia appears to exclusively call him ‘Eli’. (Context makes it pretty clear that Jade calls him ‘Eli’ as well, which is unsurprising.) We never hear Ophelia call him anything, but he refers to himself as ‘Uncle Eli’ when talking to her.
Veronica only ever calls him Weevil when she’s talking to him, notably, although she does use his real name on occasion when she’s talking about him – to her criminology class, when representing herself as his PI in ‘Weevils Wobble But They Don’t Fall Down’, and to Jade (even correcting herself from ‘Weevil’) in Mr. Kiss And Tell. (Interestingly, she’s more likely to use his full name than just his legal first name – she calls him ‘Eli Navarro’ several times, but almost never uses just ‘Eli’. She’s also probably the only person to call him ‘Weevil Navarro’*, presumably because in that instance she’s talking to him.)
*although Cliff does call him ‘Eli ‘Weevil’ Navarro’ on one occasion, complete with audible quotation marks
The point is, Weevil does get called both, and there’s some leeway for things to change a bit as relationships change – it’s not necessarily out of character, for instance, for Veronica to start addressing him as ‘Eli’ if they’ve started dating, or if it’s a fic (particularly an AU) set around the time of the novels – but it shouldn’t come from nowhere, and it shouldn’t be arbitrary. Keith wouldn’t be addressing him as ‘Weevil’, and Felix and Hector wouldn’t be calling him ‘Eli’ (unless maybe he’s secretly dating one of them it’s Felix and they’re in private). [Writing that sentence made me low-key start shipping him with Hector – why do I do this to myself?]
What he should not be getting called is ‘Weevs’, which is right in the midpoint between ‘Ronnie’ and ‘Opie’. Yes, Logan called him that once or twice (keywords once or twice) – in the exact same context that he called Veronica ‘Ronnie’, which is to say, as a mocking diminutive. It should not be serving as a general nickname even when Weevil and Logan are antagonistic, and it should definitely never be something that Hector or Veronica calls him! (And yes, I have seen both.)
And since I’m already aggravated – while I’m on the subject ‘Eli’ is a name unto itself. There’s a subset of fandom that seems strangely convinced it’s short for ‘Elias’ or ‘Elijah’ and… no. It’s not.
#veronica mars#eli navarro#non-tolkien meta#my own work#lord of the rings#for the faramir reference#and because this does definitely drive me nuts in fic#lothiriel is a pretty name! just call her lothiriel!#or have eomer give her a byname or alternate name in rohirric#old english is very easy to source names/meanings from#it's culturally appropriate to the type of societies they both live in#and if you do it right it's very romantic!
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Faramir, elf enthusiest: so, Legolas! I have some questions about elven culture if i can ask them!
Legolas, silvan (dark elf), has a vague idea of how the noldor/sindar (light elf) realms in middle earth function but not really that knowledgeable about it, which is presumably what faramir does know. Also, certified little shit: sure, lay it on me.
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Idk, i hink it’s be funny if faramir was fanboying about being able to ask an actual elven prince about elven things, only for legolas to have like 5% knowledge of the elven realms under noldor/sindar rule, which is what faramir has learned about. And then deciding to mess with him anyway.
Don’t worry, legolas eventually tells the truth and offers faramir volumes worth of knowledge about the silvan and avari elves that have faramir vibrating with excitement.
#lord of the rings#lotr#silmarillion#the hobbit#lotr elves#legolas#mirkwood#silvans#incorrect tolkien quotes#incorrect lotr quotes#silm incorrect quotes#avari and silvans are referred to as ‘dark elves’ bc they refuse the light of valinor and the ainur#the noldor/vanyar/teleri/sindar elves are referred to as‘light elves’ bc they accepted the ainur#faramir#legolas tells faramir about all the different silvan and avari things and he is extatic#they bond over this#faramir becomes one of the most knowledgeable humans of the silvan/avari elven cultures#meanwhile epwyn bonds with legolas’s sisters as fellow warriors#legolas and faramir sitting on the sideline discussing silvan dances while eowyn kleoyia and lasgen are sparring in front of them
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Current art project is "learn to draw icons", so this is an initial attempt at making the same(ish) expression on two different faces, in a way that will reduce in size and still read (that's the hard bit!)
I think it's working! Faramir less than Éomer, but I think that's because I had to go in and fuck with the skin tone on him, having come out of Clip Studio and gone "good lord that's a white man". So I think for future ones, I should darken the line colour on him a bit - he and Éomer have the same line colour, but it obviously stands out more on "anglo-saxon blonde dude" than "olive-skinned mediterranean vibes".
#art#digital art#icons#lord of the rings#faramir#eomer#i still think éomer should have a longer beard#but it turns out i'm bad at drawing beard shapes without reference#day 1#let's see how many days we can get in a row! :D
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#lotr#Lord of the rings#faramir#azog#bofur#fanart#nmkk reference in faramir doodle !!#the hobbit#jrr tolkien
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with every seed you sow, let it wash away, wash away on ao3: in which an elf and a prince of gondor speak of grief and death and the sea, and life and song and brothers.
for @lotr20 day 1: memory/history/home
Words: 3975, Chapters: 1/1
Rating: General Audiences Warnings: No Archive Warnings Apply Relationships: Faramir & Legolas Greenleaf, Éowyn & Faramir & Legolas Greenleaf, Éowyn/Faramir (Tolkien) Characters: Faramir (Tolkien), Legolas Greenleaf, Éowyn (Tolkien) Additional Tags: boromir is not present but he is HAUNTING the narrative, Character Study, Relationship Study, Friendship, Sea-longing (Tolkien), Canonical Character Death, Grief/Mourning, Gardens & Gardening, faramir can and will read your mind and the author will not let you forget it, a fic that is about death and also about life in its wake, gardening as a metaphor for healing Summary: “It is a gift, Master Elf,” says Faramir with a sad, sad smile, “to have the chance to choose the day of your death. Though I can only imagine it is a bitter one.” Legolas opens his mouth, then closes it. In Faramir's smile glitters the barest glint of mirth. “It is death, is it not? Of a kind. A journey to a realm you do not know, and behind your ship, one to which you can never return.”
#lotrweek#lotr#tolkien#faramir#legolas#eowyn#southfarthing#my writing#[FRODO ON MOUNT DOOM VOICE] ITS DONE....#GOD BLESS SLIDING IN RIGHT UNDER THE WIRE IT IS 7:45 ON NYE#CLOSING MY 35 REFERENCE TABS. PUTTING AWAY MY COPIES OF LOTR#i love faramir.jpg#truly he is fucking unreal. GUY WHO EVERYONE WANTS TO BE BEST FRIENDS WITH. and theyre right.......#oh to walk with faramir on a sunny day: the fic
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THE MUSE .
name . Faramir alias . Captain of the Rangers of Ithilien, Captain of the White Tower, Steward to the King of Gondor, Lord of Emyn Arnen, Prince of Ithilien date of birth . T.A. 2983 age . 36 at the time of the War of the Ring ( T.A. 3019 ) gender . Cis-male sexual orientation . Bisexual hair colour . Red-brown eye colour . Grey height . 6’4” ( 193cm )
Faramir, son of Denethor II, was born beneath the shadow of the White Tower, in the waning years of Gondor’s fading glory. His boyhood was one spent upon the ramparts of Minas Tirith, where the world spread before him like a great grey tapestry – the green fields of the Pelennor, the silver ribbon of Anduin, and beyond, the looming dark of Mordor.
From an early age, Faramir’s heart turned not to swords alone, but to song, to lore, to the counsels of the wise. He loved his elder brother Boromir, though it was Boromir whom their stern father favoured. Yet Faramir bore this slight with a quiet grace, seeking not to outshine his brother but to walk a different road, one guided by wisdom and compassion. Gandalf the Grey, that wanderer of distant realms, became his secret tutor and friend, sowing seeds of thought and mercy in a heart fertile for them.
When the Shadow deepened and war came upon Gondor, Faramir took up the captaincy of the Rangers of Ithilien. In secret glades and ruined woods, he waged a patient war against the encroaching dark. It was there, beneath the withering trees, that fate placed in his path Frodo Baggins and Samwise Gamgee, small bearers of a great and perilous burden – the One Ring. Where another might have seized the Ring for his own glory or the salvation of his people, Faramir stood firm. His character, although tested, did not falter.
Later, in the bloody defence of Osgiliath, Faramir led a desperate stand. There he was grievously wounded and borne home by his stead. In the madness of loss and despair, Denethor sought to end both their lives upon a funeral pyre. From that grave fire, Faramir was plucked by Gandalf and Pippin, and thus saved.
It was in the healing houses, as the city trembled between ruin and hope, Faramir found Éowyn, the White Lady of Rohan, herself wounded in spirit after her battle with death and despair. Between them, a deep and quiet love kindled – not the bright flame of sudden passion, but a steady light against the encroaching dark.
When Aragorn Elessar took the throne of Gondor, Faramir was named Prince of Ithilien, and from the broken wilds he raised gardens and strongholds anew. With Éowyn at his side, he ruled with wisdom, becoming a living memory of all that was noblest in the old world and a steward of hope for the new.
#at some point i'll make this more comprehensive#add dates / make reference to finduilas etc.#but this will do for the time being#physically my vision of faramir lies somewhere between the movie and book descriptions#but i'll default to david wenham for easiness' sake#but give him book height because obvs#⪼ muse — he is bold / more bold than many deem
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Is it giliath with a hard G or like a J sound? Out of curiosity ❤️
Hard G, like "goose" or like "gills" of a fish :)
If you've ever seen the LOTR movies there's a place Frodo and Sam get taken to called Osgiliath; Giliath roughly translates to "hosts of/many stars." It is pronounced gill-ee-ith.
Thanks for asking 🤍
#it's also a small faramir reference lol#i am so. brainrotted 🤍 anyway#thanks for the ask i love yapping about my son#asks#anon#giliath#fun fact 'osgiliath' and 'ithilien' are both some of my favorite lotr words to say. idk why. they're just fun#that's not really a fun fact. whatever
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idk. I was sketching around and liked the mix of pose/expression. Probably won't do anything with it. Gives me Faramir vibes. Those were supposed to be gull wings. Just, you know. Lazy.
#amoa#art diary#sketchbook#digital drawing#digital art#figure drawing#fanart#procreate#Faramir#Sketching#Gesture#Render? Lol no#armour boi#defs not defecating in his britches#no reference
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As a biracial woman I actually go feral about this because YES.
I'm rereading lotr now and almost done with fellowship, and it's really interesting how Elrond is never ONCE, ever, referred to as an elf (but rather, as a half-elf, Halfelven). not even when boromir is ranting unwelly:

#my elrond feels#biracial elrond is canon#(i suspect it’s also to do with the maia thing as well)#(but that sense of being (not always but often) neither one nor the other and kind of…both but not both)#(also about elrond being The Only One after Elros is gone)#(like yes the numenoreans/gondorians actually have elven/maia ancestry as well)#(see how faramir and deneathor are described)#(how aragorn refers to himself!)#but elrond is like directly directly biracial#anyway I just love elrond#lil the tolkien dork
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1/3 of the Fellowship
The Dwarfs are very clearly inspired mainly from Old Norse, so that's the main reference for Gimli's dress. There's also some other influences, like some Bronze Age Mediterranean influences and Iron Age Eastern Europe.
To me Tolkien's elves are very high Middle Ages and Gothic, but for Sindar I mixed in plenty of Celtic and especially Irish influence, and based Legolas' dress heavily on Irish léine.
Boromir's dress I based on mostly Byzantine but also some Medieval Arabic influences as I did for Faramir.
#arda dress history#lotr#lotr fanart#fanart#art#my art#artists on tumblr#lord of the rings#character design#lotr art#legolas#gimli#boromir
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i was looking for a reference image and found this instead and ill say i am obsessed. the ghostly pippin who doesnt even look concerned. the ghostly denethor despite the fact he is Right There. faramir just kinda looks... peacefully asleep. the fire overlay. it was from facebook. i love it
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It's actually fairly possible that Théoden's mother was still alive during the main events of LOTR. She has no year of death given in the appendices (also technically no year of birth, but that can at least be counted from the age difference between her and Thengel), or anywhere else that I would know of. Nor is there any direct reference to her being dead, or text worded in a way that would be impossible if she were still alive during LOTR that I know of. The firmest piece of evidence there is for her being dead is only her absence from the story.
Now, yes, it seems likely to me that Tolkien intended for Morwen of Lossarnach to be dead by the time of LOTR. But Tolkien can roll in his grave all he wants if it's important to him, I am going to discuss the possibility of her being alive nonetheless because I find it interesting.
The appendices mention that Morwen was 17 years younger than Thengel, which would mean she was born in 2922. If my math holds up, that would make her 97 in 3019 when most of the major battles of War of the Ring are fought, if she lives that long. Possibly 96 if she was born late in the year, since those battles happen in spring of that year.
She is Gondorian nobility, mentioned to be descended from the Princes of Dol Amroth, though I do not think the details of her relation to them are specified beyond that. And if we look at the two Gondorian noble families where we have any kind of data for their lifespans, that being the Stewards and the Princes of Dol Amroth - the last four Stewards of Gondor before Denethor each lived 98-100 years. The last four Princes before Imrahil live to be 93, 111, 105, and 114, respectfully, and Imrahil lives to 100 years old. As for the next generation or two after that, Faramir lived to 120 years old. Prince Imrahil's son Elphir was 101 when he died, and his son Alphros was 99. Éomer, grandchild of Morwen Steelsheen, lived to 93 years old, despite his other three grandparents being presumably Rohirrim, whose lifespan (at a quick glance through the list of the Kings of Rohan) usually seems to range between 70 and a few years past 80.
So if Morwen falls roughly into the same range with the Gondorian nobility whose lifespans are known, then, yeah, sure, maybe she's dead by the time the main events of LOTR happen. But it's just as possible that she'd still be alive and even have a couple more years left in her.
And I just find myself fascinated by that possibility.
On one hand, there's the tragedy of her outliving at least two of her children, and at least one of her grandchildren. But on the other hand, when you consider all the women, all the wives and mothers, who fall ill and die, or waste away from grief or the horror and weight of the shadow in the last three or so decades before War of the Ring (Finduilas of Dol Amroth, Théodwyn, Gilraen, though at least Gilraen didn't die as young as the other two; and while her death has nothing to do with grief or influence of the shadow, Elfhild the wife of Théoden dies in childbirth during that timespan), I also see a certain triumph in the idea of Morwen enduring it and living to see a time after Sauron, if only briefly.
But if she is still alive, where is she? I see three possible options. The first is that she is still in Edoras. The second is that she lives somewhere else in Rohan, either in some other house belonging to the royal family, or with one of her unnamed daughters and her family. The third is that at some point after Thengel's death, she returned to Gondor and her family there.
The still in Edoras option seems unlikely from a logical standpoint, since there's no mention of her as there really should have been if she were there. There's something narratively pretty delicious, at least to me, though, in the idea that she might have been there to witness firsthand her son's decline and yet been for whatever reason unable to intervene
Living somewhere in Rohan, probably with another of her children (she had two daughters after Théoden before Théodwyn, and one who's even at oldest still under five years older than Théoden, so any of them could pretty plausibly still be alive), would make some sense, if she had wanted to retire from court life but still remained within relatively easy distance of her children and grandchildren. It would also kind of still allow for her being very aware of what's going on in Meduseld, while offering a more easy excuse for why she's unable to intervene and also not mentioned at any points in the books.
And returning to Gondor at some point after Thengel had died and Théoden had settled into the position of the king and all her children were adults likewise makes sense. She and Thengel lived in Gondor for ten years before moving to Rohan when Thengel inherited the throne, so it seems likely she'd have retained strong ties to her family in Gondor, rather than all those being cut off by her marriage, and considering all we know of Lossarnach, as someone on the SWG discord pointed out when i mentioned these thoughts the other day, Lossarnach seems like a nice enough place to retire to. It would put her pretty solidly away from all the drama going on in Rohan, though, but maybe if you're into fluff, Éowyn and Faramir could make a visit to her in Lossarnach sometime after the war
Anyway. I just wanted to say. Maybe Morwen of Lossarnach isn't dead yet, when LOTR happens. Maybe she gets to see what she probably never thought would happen in her lifetime, or ever at all, Sauron being defeated, Gondor having a king again. She'd have to face horrible loss, yeah. But she'd also see a new sunrise, triumph and joy like no one dared to hope for. So. Maybe. Maybe she's still alive, long enough to see that
#morwen steelsheen#morwen of lossarnach#rohan#lotr#lord of the rings#middle-earth#meta#lotr meta#the lord of the rings
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once again all my creative work has been Commission Stuff I Can't Share, so here's an old piece from 2022 because i happen to like it
#lord of the rings#faramir#boromir#old art#day 2#giving myself credit because i DID do art today i just can't post it#anyway i didn't realise how old this is but i wasn't on tumblr in 2022 so#SHARE IN MY STEWARDBRO FEELINGS DAMN YOU#i should do more art with both of them#like. obviously because i love them as characters and love their dynamic#but also because i enjoy trying to pin down the designs#to get that sense of “these are brothers and look similar But Also Not”#similar enough to warrant both “jumpscared by boromir's ghost in ithilien” AND “everyone can see that faramir looks more númenorean”#for which i think my main point of reference is “same general features but slightly different coloration and details”#like. boromir can grow a beard and faramir can't. faramir's hair is blue-black and smooth; boromir's is wavy and brown-black.#that kind of thing.#anyway tbh i might redo a piece like this at some point i think i can do it better#GOD ACTUALLY#what if i did this but instead of the houses of the dead it was the battle of osgiliath?#so it's TWO cases of “i have watched my beloved brother float bloody and probably-dead in a river”#and also something that boromir actually saw#hmmmm. much to consider.
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We here at Sufficiently Large Ndustries pride ourselves on our unwavering commitment to factual accuracy in all things.
Recently, it has come to our attention that certain details of this post, hereinafter referred to as the "Fuck Yeah Stick-Elf" post, or FYSE, seem to contradict the canon established by internationally-known author Jonald Ronald Rolkien Tolkien (h/t @elodieunderglass for explaining his full name).
Because of our unwavering commitment to factual accuracy in all things, we cannot possibly have made any mistakes, so we wish to issue several corrections to your understanding to demonstrate that we were correct all along:
Question: Don't the Gondorians call him Mithrandir?
Answer: Not all Gondorians.
Canonically, Tolkien notes that the people of Gondor use the Sindarin name Mithrandir (from mith "grey" and randir "random", hence "some random grey guy") for Olórin. However, Tolkien's references to this are always about Gondorian nobility or royalty, who did indeed call Stick-Elf Mithrandir. This is because they were kind of pretentious, like native English speakers who insist on correcting anyone who doesn't pronounce "Paris" as "pair-REE".
When six-year-old Faramir had nightmares and ran to his father calling out "I'm scared!", Denethor would correct him, saying "No, you feel echais", because he was a dick. Part of the reason why Gondor lost a lot of its ancient glory is because it had centuries of leaders who were like this.
The average Joeromir Schmoeromir on the streets of Gondor, however, just called him Stick-Elf.
Question: If this is set in the past and Éodan is from Rohan, how could Gondor have a king?
Answer: It's not that king.
Suzannethor (the Archivist) mentions that Stick-Elf brought fireworks for the king's birthday, but Gondor's last king, King Eänur, died in T.A. 2050, almost five centuries before Rohan was founded in T.A. 2510 (special thanks to @thinkinginquenya for pointing out this discrepancy).
The answer is that FYSE is set in T.A. 2703, well after Rohan's founding; When the characters refer to "the king", they're not referring to royalty, but rather to the famous Númenórean musician Aarondil Préslion, often called "The King of Chant and Lyre" or just "The King" for short.
At this point there weren't many Men with enough Númenórean blood to have the sort of longevity that Aarondil had, leading to rumors that he was secretly an elf, hence his stage name, Elvish Présli.
Some of his most famous songs, like "Jailhouse Dirge" and "You Ain't Nothin' But a Warg Dog" are still popular today. Olórin was particularly fond of "Blue Steel Shoes", a lively jig about plate mail maintenance, and this is why he brought fireworks to Présli's 90th birthday party.
Question: Why does Elrond say "here in the North" in Gondor?
Answer: Elrond is a very sleepy boi.
In FYSE, Elrond says "Here in the North", even though generally most surviving texts of Middle-Earth are Gondo-centric and use "The North" to refer to lands north of Gondor, like Arnor/Eriador or the Forodwaith.
However, Jenniforomir just woke Elrond up from a nap (she didn't realize this because elves sleep with their eyes open), and he's still slightly disoriented. He says "Here in the North" because he was dreaming about a pub he visited once in Annúminas (and he is slightly shaken because in the dream he had forgotten to wear clothes, he had an exam coming up that he hadn't known about, and very tiny orcs were juggling silmarils all over the place).
Question: Why would Elrond out Olórin as a Maiar?
Answer: He was already out.
Tolkien didn't mention this in the books, but Olórin travels around on horse with several Maiar Pride bumper stickers, including a plain Maiar pride flag, one that reads "Maiar tested, Valar approved", and one that reads "Maiarn't there a lot of us!". Elrond knows this, and so has no compunction telling random Gondorians that Olórin is a Maiar.
We hope that these clarifications will reassure you that we here at Sufficiently Large Ndustries have never said anything false, ever, in all directions and at all times.
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*・༓˚✧ ❝𝐭𝐞𝐥𝐥𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐨𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫𝐬 (𝐋𝐨𝐭𝐑)❞‧͙⁺˚༓˚✧ « scenarios »
○ Aragorn ○ Legolas ○ Frodo ○ Sam ○ Merry ○ Pippin ○ Boromir ○ Faramir ○ Éowyn ○ Éomer ○ Bard ○ Thranduil ○ Tauriel ○ Lindir ○ Haldir ○ Elladan ○ Elrohir ○
GN!Reader | Wordcount : 2.9k (each individual around 170~ words) | Read on Ao3
TWS : References to a dead spouse/parent having a new partner after other parents death (Bard)
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𝐀𝐫𝐚𝐠𝐨𝐫𝐧
✧ You two weren’t sure how to tell the Fellowship, especially when your main problems centred around saving Middle Earth. Surely a relationship was inconsequential?
✧ In the end, it was Merry and Pippin who discovered your relationship by walking in on you kissing.
✧ You didn’t even know they were there until you heard the excited gasps, before Merry eagerly asks if he can tell everyone.
✧ Aragorn and you have talked about this before, but he still checks with you again to make sure you’re absolutely comfortable with it.
✧ The two of you give your agreements to the hobbits (and you still don’t think you’ve ever seen them happier).
✧ One of your highlights comes from Merry running up behind you and saying you and Aragorn are together before he realises who you are.
✧ Sam and Frodo awkwardly come up to you at one point and ask if Merry and Pippin have permission - it’s very sweet to see them blushing and trying to keep eye contact with the two of you.
✧ The rest of the Fellowship briefly acknowledges it, although it’s generally with just a nod to the two of you or a few words.
✧ The only exception is when there's sparring training - in which the men sometimes tease Aragorn for focusing on your match slightly too much.
𝐋𝐞𝐠𝐨𝐥𝐚𝐬
✧ You both ask each other who they’re ok with knowing, and both of you agree that with the lists you provide - but you don’t want to publicise it needlessly.
✧ Boromir is the first person you end up telling, after he not so subtly nudges you while you’re (also not subtly) staring at Legolas.
✧ He teases you a bit, but you know it’s in good faith, and when Legolas appears to ask if you’ll join him he instantly pushes you towards him, bidding you to have fun.
✧ On his part, Legolas actually forgets to tell anyone. It isn’t until he’s asking Aragorn about if his date idea is acceptable with mortal customs that Aragorn interrupts him to confirm the two of you are dating.
✧ Legolas stands there for a second, and then he realises he hasn’t told anyone.
✧ Proceeds to go into a long and slightly unnecessary infodump about you, and all of the things he loves about you, and why he’s honoured to be dating you, and-
✧ Aragorn actually doesn’t interrupt, and it’s only when Frodo and Sam come over that Legolas realises just how long he’s been talking.
✧ Word spreads from Frodo and Sam to the rest of the hobbits, and the hobbits make it everyone's business. And soon enough the whole Fellowship knows.
𝐅𝐫𝐨𝐝𝐨
✧ When Frodo had first talked about you to his friends, everyone wanted to know who the big-folk in the Shire was, they had been able to tell Frodo was a little star-struck.
✧ They’d also been able to tell it hadn’t exactly gone away, even after you’d been meeting for a while.
✧ Eventually Frodo tells them he can’t come to one of their regular meetings, and that same day the Shire reports seeing you and another hobbit go in the direction of the flower fields.
✧ It only takes the next time they see Frodo for Merry to give him a grin, and Pippin to give him a ‘subtle’ jab to the ribs.
✧ Frodo laughs at them, “You were right. They said yes, and it was wonderful.”
✧ The two immediately start cheering, and Sam congratulates him more quietly - although with just as much sincerity.
✧ Bilbo greets it only with a nod, and mutters to Frodo that it certainly took him long enough.
✧ (Pippin attempts a whistle the next time he sees you and Frodo in public. It starts out well, and then he laughs too hard to finish it. Especially when you start laughing while Frodo turns red.)
𝐒𝐚𝐦
✧ They’re the ones that finally convince Sam to ask you out, and they’re all hoping for you and him to work out - it’s just obvious to them that you belong together.
✧ They don’t see him for the entire day he asks you out, except very early in the morning to wish him all luck.
✧ And then they see him the next day.
✧ With the largest grin on his face, from ear to ear. As well as what might be a semi-permanent blush.
✧ The friends look around at each other before realising what that means.
✧ Pippin immediately rushes over to congratulate their good friend, with Merry right behind him.
✧ There’s some teasing but it’s all in good faith - they’re all relieved that you two are together.
✧ Although they tease Sam they’re a lot nicer to you, letting you know they know with smiles and a nod across the room.
✧ Frodo congratulates you on your courting.
𝐌𝐞𝐫𝐫𝐲
✧ One of the first things he, seriously, asks you is if he can tell his friends.
✧ Your confused as to why he asks, and he explains he doesn’t want to put you in an uncomfortable position - and he’s more than happy for it to be just the two of you if that’s what you want/
✧ You reassure him that you’re fine with Pippin, Sam, and Frodo knowing.
✧ There’s obvious relief and joy on his face - and he grins before pulling you into a hug and thanking you. “Don’t worry, I won’t let Pip be mean.”
✧ The two of you actually see them the same day and Merry immediately runs over to Pippin.
✧ He almost tackles him into a massive hug, a huge grin on his face before glancing back at you with shining eyes.
✧ “They said yes!”
✧ (Although you find Merry’s excitement at telling others the sweetest, you have to admit hearing Pippin woop makes you smile as well.)
𝐏𝐢𝐩𝐩𝐢𝐧
✧ Everyone in the Fellowship knew that he had a crush on you, because they all had eyes, although it was slightly less known you liked him back.
✧ Merry is the first to realise you’re probably going to end up together because Pippin asks him for a pep talk on the day.
✧ (Which Merry gives, of course.)
✧ The following breakfast he subtly goes up to Pippin and nudges him, to which Pippin gives a faux-wise nod before smiling and whispering ‘thank you’.
✧ Frodo and Sam both know him well enough to realise what’s happened, although they wait until you confirm it to say anything or make any comments.
✧ In the end you’re the one to ask if he wants it spread around, to which he answers of course - he just wasn’t sure if that was something you wanted.
✧ You reassure him that you’re fine with it, and you’d never be ashamed of this relationship.
✧ With your permission, he quickly gets around to telling everyone what’s going on.
✧ Even with every person he tells, the wonder that you’ve chosen him doesn’t diminish in the slightest.
𝐁𝐨𝐫𝐨𝐦𝐢𝐫
✧ You can't help smiling about Boromir asking you if you'll be his partner.
✧ Of course, the next day this does creep out while you're running drills with the rangers.
✧ Even Anborn's frankly terrible warm-ups don't get rid of it, something that is quickly noticed by your comrades. And commented upon.
✧ Not telling them who it is, even when pleading with you to say who's making you smile that widely, just makes them more persistent.
✧ Faramir denies all knowledge when they ask him, although of course he knows about the two of you in.
✧ In the end they take to calling him mystery man.
✧ Two days later all soldiers are together again, and Boromir discreetly buys you a drink and you plan to real later.
✧ As you turn around you can see your troops grinning, one of them mouthing 'mystery man'.
✧ Being the fair second-in-command you are, it only results in one extra lap next meeting.
𝐅𝐚𝐫𝐚𝐦𝐢𝐫
✧ He's, understandably, nervous about telling others about your relationship. ✧ Not because he isn't completely committed to you, he'd hang the moon and stars for you, but because he's worried about what people will say. ✧ And not about him - but about you. ✧ Faramir doesn't particularly want to introduce you to his father, so instead he introduces you to his brother. ✧ Boromir recognises you, and is immediately very cheerful and welcoming of you - putting the both of you at ease. ✧ Although he's very supportive, he understands it being kept a secret and promises that it is your relationship to tell. ✧ Faramir also offers to introduce you to his rangers, to which you eagerly agree.
✧ It's in a more casual setting - just a tavern, without the formalities of titles.
✧ The rangers are just as welcoming and supporting of you two, although they tease Faramir more than his brother did.
𝐄𝐨𝐰𝐲𝐧
✧ Aragorn had been the first person to notice when you two had started to like each other, before either of you had fully figured it out yourselves.
✧ And when you come back from your talk with Éowyn, he can see your blush and the small smile you have - the way you’re almost glowing.
✧ (Although most people with eyes would’ve noticed it too.)
✧ As such you don’t need to tell him, he merely comes up and congratulates you after the fighting is over - saying that you seem right for each other.
✧ Legolas and Gimli are also both with you when you come back from talking, and they realise as well.
✧ The both of them are a lot more vocal in their teasing about it - and you keep from hitting them by telling yourself it’s just Gimli’s way of not freaking out about the Dead.
✧ To be entirely honest your partner, and the teasing that comes with that, is the topic you’d much rather be thinking about.
𝐄𝐨𝐦𝐞𝐫
✧ You don’t need to tell Éowyn, of course, as she’s the one who set you up in the first place.
✧ She’s also the one who, when you finally get back from your first date, whistles as Éomer kisses you hand in goodbye and looks entirely too pleased with herself when you both turn red.
✧ Théodred realises on the day Éomer first kisses you, as he too is part of the Rohirrim force that went out - following his cousin’s horse until he sees them jump off.
✧ As soon as he sees you two kiss he looks over to Éowyn for confirmation, who simply grins back.
✧ He congratulates Éomer in private, before asking when you two are going to inform Théoden about it.
✧ After asking his uncle for permission to date you, which Théoden gives freely, you are eventually formally introduced - although he recognises you as Éowyn’s friend.
✧ No-one else is personally informed, although word does get out about a prince of Rohan’s dating, and it becomes common knowledge that you two are courting rather quickly.
✧ For the most part there’s no bother, and the most comments you get are of people telling you how much they wish to be in your place.
𝐁𝐚𝐫𝐝
✧ As much as Bard wants to parade you around the rooftops, walk with your hand in his and give you a small kiss when you’re close together, he does restrain himself.
✧ He wants to be with you, through all of this, but he also understands the importance of waiting and making sure something is real.
✧ The children love you, but he doesn’t yet want the children to know you two are dating.
✧ Bard knows he should probably wait longer than the three month mark, but he still loves you just as much as your first date and you feel the same.
✧ So over dinner he tells the kids that you’re courting, and feels a massive amount of relief when they all express enthusiasm.
✧ After that some friends and family are told, although most people become informed via the rumour mill.
✧ On a slow day, the news of you holding Bard’s hand or him kissing you goodbye becomes good gossip.
𝐓𝐡𝐫𝐚𝐧𝐝𝐮𝐢𝐥
✧ It also takes Thranduil a while for him to be honest about your relationship.
✧ And again it certainly isn’t because of his lack of commitment. Because if you needed something done, he would do everything in his power to do it. To make sure you could smile.
✧ He does it because he wants you to be ready for the responsibilities and judgements that, unfortunately, are to come with you being with him.
✧ Judgements that mean nothing to him but that you don’t deserve, and therefore will help prepare you for.
✧ Thranduil will completely go at your pace for if things are moving too fast or too slow, constantly checking in and making sure you’re ok with what’s happening.
✧ Although, if things are going too fast he does generally slow them down. Making sure you’re not feeling pressured, and if there’s anything he can do to help you.
✧ It’s a small gesture in terms of what he could do, but when he sits next to you and looks into your eyes you know he’s sincere.
𝐓𝐚𝐮𝐫𝐢𝐞𝐥
✧ When Tauriel is finally courting you, she just wants to show you off.
✧ To show the world how amazing her partner is - and that the two of you are together.
✧ If you'll let here, she'll happily he attached to you - holding hands, or giving you a quick kiss before you go out on patrol.
✧ Then when she's asked she's happy to confirm it, and try to give the person a list of the best things you've done in the past day.
✧ But if you ask her not too she also understands, and tries not to draw attention it it.
✧ Instead it's whispered in her friends ears with a sparkle in her eyes.
𝐋𝐢𝐧𝐝𝐢𝐫
✧ Lindir is nervous about telling others, although handles it fairly well.
✧ He asks if you'll allow him to wait a week or so - both to figure out what to say and to make sure you want this relationship.
✧ You reassure him that you will, but that he can also take all the time he needs.
✧ All in all, Lindir is probably the one of the most mature when it comes to telling people.
✧ Simply asking for a moment of time from the people he wishes to know, and then informing them that you are courting.
✧ And trying to deflect all compliments onto you, while simultaneously trying to remember them all so he can tell you them later.
✧ For your part you tell the people that you know in Rivendell, and they congratulate you (and admit envy) that you've managed to court the elf.
✧ Everything goes fairly smoothly, although you can't fully contain your shock when the Lord of Rivendell comes to speak to you. Even if it's only to congratulate the two of you. Especially if it's that.
𝐇𝐚𝐥𝐝𝐢𝐫
✧ Unsurprisingly, there aren’t that many people that Haldir knows in the lands of Rohan or of Gondor.
✧ Although a letter is sent that way, filled with surprisingly romantic prose that you wouldn’t expect from him, you know he won’t be able to tell anyone in his life until you go back to Lothlórien.
✧ But you do have Legolas to tell - and the remaining two of the hunters.
✧ You tell Legolas first, as his guard you’ve known him much longer, and because you want this to be something special.
✧ As elves, this will be (almost certainly) the only times you can say that you’ve fallen in love.
✧ Legolas is very congratulatory, instantly pulling you into a hug and saying he’s happy for you. Before pulling out of it and making you swear to tell him if Haldir doesn’t treat you well.
✧ It makes you laugh before you realise he’s being serious.
✧ To your amusement (and gratitude) Legolas then leaves to talk to your boyfriend - and you eventually find them standing outside and speaking in Elvish in quiet enough tones for you to not hear.
✧ Going over to them Legolas gives you a small nod, and Haldir offers you a smile before saying he’s glad that you have chosen him.
𝐄𝐥𝐥𝐚𝐝𝐚𝐧
✧ Both of you are comfortable sharing what’s happening almost immediately, because both of you have lived in Rivendell for practically your entire lives and have a similar circle.
✧ In a way, telling others is awkward - but more because of the knowing smiles you receive, along with the congratulations.
✧ Of all the elves in Rivendell it seems that either Elrohir has told them, or that they’d always suspected it.
✧ Because of course the two of you somehow manage to be the most oblivious to your own relationship.
✧ Nearing the end of the day, Elladan takes your hand and gives it a kiss as you leave.
✧ “My apologies for managing to be this clueless for so long. I hope the rest of our lives can make up for it.”
𝐄𝐥𝐫𝐨𝐡𝐢𝐫
✧ Finds it far two funny that both him and Arwen have fallen for Gondorian nobles, and as such cannot wait to officially tell her.
✧ (Of course it was very obvious for a while before, and even more so when his courting proposal was during a public event - even though he made sure to catch you mostly alone.)
✧ Proudly tells his sister that he’s got the much better partner to become mortal for, and that she should be jealous of the two of you.
✧ And then only jumping a little when he turns around to see Aragorn behind him. Does not apologise for his statement, but does reassure him that he’ll always love his little Estel and-
✧ Aragorn cuts him off with his congratulations, before politely asking Elrohir to stop trying to steal you away from quite so many official duties.
✧ At which point Elrohir feels it only right to give a vague answer, before trying to locate you and the trusty pile of paperwork beside you.
✧ Comes into your room happily announcing the king has given his blessings. For everything.
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Raven and Golden, August 2024
Faramir and Eowyn found each other while waiting for the great battle, worried, unable to fight because they had already been hurt by the great evil. They helped each other heal, both physically and emotionally. We don't know enough about their cinematic versions, as we barely get to know them in the book, but it's enough to love them unconditionally. It took me a long time to find a good reference pic (even this one might be a montage of different stills?) but then, the colouring came easily and beautifully.
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