#height discourse

[wisteriagoesvroom]

how is oscar like, 5’10. to me he’s just a little guy 🤧

[petiolata]

Canon Tim Drake: 5' 6" tall

People with bad taste: "As he ages he will have a growth spurt and is now 6' tall!"

Real Tim Girls*: he's 5' 2" forever and has a pussy

*gender neutral

[hprambles-blog]

i want to be part of the harry height discourse, i hope im not too late.

i dont think harry is short, but he’s definitely not taller than anyone else (except the given: certain explicitly stated female and male characters)

however, i do think its funny when short king harry truthers are like, ‘fuck it. shortens your harry.’

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[elvendorx]

The Remus and Sirius height discourse has become so loaded. Today I saw a post claiming that viewing Sirius as taller than Remus means that one supports jkr? (What?)

Canonically, Sirius is taller than Remus. That's just a fact. And I understand that some people don't care about canon, and that's cool!! But even if you don't give a flying fig about canon, that does not make the view that Remus is taller than Sirius any more valid than the reverse, and you can't go around telling other people that they are wrong, or worse, bad people for not agreeing with a version of the character that exists in your head?

Look I get that it would be annoying to have people inject an "ahem actually..." on posts that are clearly based on headcanons. I get that. But that is the natural consequence of taking the names/tags of characters from popular fandoms and using them for your own OCs, and the fact that these fans jump to "they must be horrible people!" as opposed to "they might be confused about my relationship with canon" is... something.

As someone who is neurodivergent, I find that the fandom that claims to love diversity has very little tolerance for people who don't understand the unwritten rules about when canon is and isn't allowed to be used as a reference point. (Somehow, we still hate Snape because canon, but all other canon is garbage?) Sorry for the rant, I'm just tired and confused.

don't be sorry at all, i think this kind of thing needs to be talked about because at its worst, this rhetoric is an attempt at emotional manipulation and censorship. nobody is ever going to 100% agree even with the exact same words on a page - this is the entire literary criticism field, most of the time variation in readings are a good thing but this isn't even a "reading", because it has no bearing on the characters, they just are or aren't a certain height, so it becomes a tool for personal agendas - "if you think sirius was tall, you're a fascist". even though those two facts are not connected, because sirius' height is never anything more than a physical description of him. and it's glaringly obvious that the people who fixate on this aren't interested in sirius as a character, just as a vehicle for their own fantasies/validation.

this is the problem that comes from people trying to put dynamics & personalities that they want to see onto characters who don't fit those moulds. the height thing doesn't actually matter, it doesn't change anything in the narrative, but it summarises the attitude towards canon which for me summarises critical reading & reading comprehension as a whole within hp fandom. i don't think canon is perfect and i don't think it's sacred but i don't understand why you would engage with something that you have to twist out of recognition in order to enjoy it.

part of the fun of fandom, for me, is finding the limits and boundaries while maintaining recognition. at the very least, even if you change everything else, character has to be consistent. you have to recognise who you're working with otherwise what are you doing here? other authors are writing and have written exactly what you want, so why do you need this character with a history and motivations and a distinctive personality to be the ideal version of you/the partner you want (because lbr, that's it!). i'm not saying that people can't use their imaginations and bend things, i do it, and people can do that by bending characters out of recognition if they want. i don't get any enjoyment out of that or see the point in it but i'm not going to try and stop people. it's the flagrant dismissal of logic and evidence that i think is a more dangerous stance when applied more widely.

it's ALWAYS the people who want remus to be taller and sirius to be tiny who have 10 million personal reasons why they need it to be that way around despite it being clear that sirius is specifically tall, and remus is of such average and nondescript height that it's never mentioned. it's nobody else's responsibility to validate anyone's projections onto a fictional character, and your personal reasons for wanting a character to behave in a way that they wouldn't isn't anybody's responsibility. i don't think these kind of people see the irony in how they're trying to force their view on everyone else even though there's direct contradiction to it, yet are claiming that people who go with that feature from the text are violent fanaticists or something.

when you question why it makes such a difference to the "big strong remus and baby boi sirius" people, it comes down to "it's cuter" or "it allows me to simplify m/m relationships into tough and cute and use physical attributes as symbols rather than thinking complexly about personality traits and dynamics." the height thing is basically one step away from top/bottom discourse and just because someone identifies as queer or relates to a character doesn't make it unproblematic. if you need to see a character who represents your specific circumstances, find one or make an original one, imo. it's not an entire fandom's job to validate individuals and it's manipulative to suggest that someone else seeing a character according to the way that character is explicitly described is an act of hatred or violence or something.

apologies if this turned into a rant of its own - i don't CARE that sirius is tall but the attitude towards minor, basic facts is wild to me. it makes no difference to me but idk why you would take being taller than snape away from sirius bc he clearly enjoys being able to tower over him. if i did want to argue that sirius' height makes a difference in the text, i'd say that sirius is tall because padfoot is also a large creature and there seems to be some kind of reflection of the human in animagus forms, whereas the whole werewolf thing is something inflicted externally rather than something that comes from within the person so remus' human height isn't reflected by his lycanthropy. but that's a whole other question i would have to research more.

[jellybracelet]

why do i feel like sam winchester is 6'4 and jarpad is 6'5

[builtyouahousefromabrokenhome]

The Standard exposing Louis as 5ft 7in tall😭

[velvet4510]

16 Ships That Truly Define “Matching Each Other’s Freak”

Romeo and Juliet

Benedick x Beatrice (Much Ado About Nothing)

Jane Eyre x Mr. Rochester

Heathcliff x Catherine (Wuthering Heights)

Amy x Laurie (Little Women)

Algernon x Cecily (The Importance of Being Earnest)

Scarlett O’Hara x Rhett Butler (Gone with the Wind)

Éowyn x Faramir (The Lord of the Rings)

Magneto x Professor X (X-Men)

Han Solo x Princess Leia (Star Wars)

Harry Potter x Draco Malfoy

Jack x Rose (Titanic)

Jyn x Cassian (Rogue One)

Diego x Lila (The Umbrella Academy)

Prince Henry x Alex (Red, White & Royal Blue)

Agatha x Rio (Agatha All Along)

[anetherealpoetess]

the way the incels and lorebores twisted themselves into absolute knots over charlie vickers being so tall. their complete agony at the unfairness of a world where a man on a show they hate looms over them at 6'2". their indignation festering in shadows where sexism and racism and toxic masculinity are clutched so tightly to their (tiny) chests. hilarious.

[uchiha-gaeshi]

Obito is really sticking to the bit when he calls Konan a "little girl" even though she's literally 4 years older than him...

[hprambles-blog]

Reading the Harry/James height discourse, I'm seeing both sides. It's true that Harry's been portrayed as short in all the books. It's also true that James was called tall. To reconcile them being the same height, James has to be short or there's an inconsistency. At first I thought it was JK being forgetful again, but then somebody mentioned heels and I looked it up and it's true. Dumbledore wears high heels!

Nothing like this man had ever been seen on Privet Drive. He was tall, thin, and very old, judging by the silver of his hair and beard, which were both long enough to tuck into his belt. He was wearing long robes, a purple cloak that swept the ground, and high-heeled, buckled boots. His blue eyes were light, bright, and sparkling behind half-moon spectacles and his nose was very long and crooked, as though it had been broken at least twice. This man’s name was Albus Dumbledore.

My headcanon is that since it's normal for men to wear high heels in HP, James is just below average height but wore high heels to compensate for it so people saw him as tall. Harry didn't so nobody saw him as tall and he always looked shorter than his peers. But when he called James through the resurrection stone, he was in his natural state and wasn't wearing heels so they were the same height.

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[pseudophan]

I might sound stupid cause it ain't even a big deal, I just find it amusing, but I wonder why does Dan insist that he and Phil are the same height when it's clear that he's at least 2in taller??? What are your thoughts, Nora 🧐

because he doesn't mean they are exactly the same height, he just means they're more or less equally tall relatively to most other people they meet. ngl i'm very annoying about this discourse because people act like phil is SO MUCH shorter than dan, and he just isn't 😭 they say they're 6'2 and 6'3 but i'd say in reality they're probably closer to 6'2 and 6'4? phil does have horrendous posture though, and dan often wears pretty tall shoes. people love to say dan used to be shorter than phil/they used to be more of the same height, but in reality phil's posture has just gotten worse i think. back when people deluded themselves into thinking dan was shorter than phil it was all AWW THE HEIGHT DIFFERENCE but now the opinion has drastically reversed and phil is suddenly Much Shorter than dan and it's still AWWW THE HEIGHT DIFFERENCE, but seeing them irl is like.. the difference just isn't nearly as much as some people seem to think i'm sorry. last time this debate was going around i saw someone say phil's 6'1 and dan is 6'5 and i'm like can we please be SO fucking serious

but yeah again as for your actual question i don't think they genuinely believe they are exactly the same height, just like they don't believe their hands are the same exact size, they just don't consider the difference great enough to matter much. dan's hands are obviously larger than phil's but i see people say phil has "small hands" like no he has quite large hands actually, dan's are just fucking giant. hands georg if you will

[eyra]

as a wolfstar queen, what is ur stance on remus/sirius who is taller LOLLLLL?

I can hand on heart say that this is not something I spend any amount of time thinking about, but the discourse around it is always hilarious to witness.

like if I had to choose, I’d say I probably gravitate towards taller Sirius or they’re the same size. but I’m employed so I mean whatever. x

[zhoumeyourlove]

Okay, this might sound kind of stupid and sappy, but I really appreciate that everyone here has different favorite series, and yet we’re all still one fandom together.

Some of us are obsessed with mysteries, some are wrapped up in fantasy, and some prefer horror or romance or something else entirely. But we all still have a tag together, and we interact with each other, and we make gifts for each other and have events together.

I don’t know what to say to her than it’s just…nice, to have this fandom. I know it’s far from its peak of years ago. A lot of people have left or only stop by occasionally. It would be a massive understatement to say the app has changed since I first started playing nearly 7 years ago.

But we’re still here, still reading and creating and interacting. We’re still listening to each other talk about characters we love and characters we’ve created. We’re all fans of this one big thing (the app as a whole) in addition to all the smaller, more niche things (the individual series). And I think that makes for an incredibly cool fandom to be in.

[leo-artista]

Okay but is Fiddleford shorter or taller than Stan and Ford? This is something that genuinely confuses tf out of me cause pre portal he looks the same height (or a bit talller depending on the frame) than Ford, but older Fiddleford is short, so ???

I usually draw him a bit shorter because it makes sense to me but idk if it's canonically accurate

[quinn-of-aebradore]

I feel you so hard on that. So many people thinking Essek and the Shadowhand are the same.

Yeah, I see a lot less people insisting on it these days but it still makes me kinda crazy. There are definitely elements of the Shadowhand persona that are aspects of Essek’s genuine personality (the bitchy sass, for example) but so much of it is a mask and I will never be over how many people thought/think that’s the Real Him and that depicting the softer, kinder aspects of his personality is incorrect. He’s a complicated guy! He’s got a lot of facets! He can be bitchy and sweet at the same time!!

[flowerbritts]

Height discourse: Charles is canonically taller and has a horrible posture. Also, I don't love Crystal throwing Charles' trauma back into his face in episode five. She speaks as if she knows him well when they've known each other for 1 to 2 weeks? And bringing Edwin into it as if he feels the same way? Like she and Edwin have discussed it? Charles has an excellent point about not being David, that is how Crystal perceives him. He merely reacts to the situation because he is a 16-year-old boy with a fight reflex.

Hello Save Dbd friends!!

I’ve made a post on Twitter but I figured I’d make one here is well!

What is your BIGGEST dbd/dbda hot take? 👀

I want to hear everyone’s opinions! If you’re a little shy to drop your hot takes, you can drop them in my asks and I’ll share them for you but if you’re UNASHAMED; plz plz reblog with your hot takes and the tag “best ghosts I know” 💜