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[horrorknife]

i really do think thats bullshit bc in the full scene where we see her feeling cecil up to encourage him to go inside it very much drives home to me that shes used to treating sexual advances as a transaction particularly in her relationship w cecil. is that fucking cut why ive seen ppl portray him as someone who was good to her????? jesus christ

SORRY. THEY FUCKING TOOK OUT LIKE MOST OF THE CECIL AND AMANDA INTERACTION FOR THE THEATRICAL RELEASE? qhat is it with this series and removing Specifically important/relevant amanda content? why do they hate her so much???

[horrorknife]

can u expand on where they drop the ball on john's character bc outside of like spiral and jigsaw (which. i havent seen but what i hear about its backstory) i remember him being the most consistent one

honestly it just feels like they lost the plot with him after saw iii (the last one leigh whannell wrote) because like...a lot of it i feel is really clumsy in its execution. saw (2004) jigsaw is the most faithful portrayal of the character because it's the first and was the only planned instance for the character. leigh making amanda his apprentice in ii is a good play because it makes sense that he'd need a little bit of assistance.

john is definitely the most consistent character throughout the movies because he's the bread and butter of the whole series but i kind of...just think it's really bullshit the way they strip him of most of his ability to be involved with the traps after a certain point. and like, yeah, he's dying and old. but at the same time i feel like it's hard to ignore that he's pushed to the side as far as being involved almost at all with (onscreen) trap production and overseeing games in favor of younger and more attractive people getting that screen time. i just think it's kind of lame that we hardly get to see him doing his thing outside of showing amanda and hoffman stuff.

also not a fan of how the later saw films (notably v/vi/vii) lean so heavily on multiple-person games to the point where it's genuinely difficult to keep up with who's onscreen and what their minor indiscretions were. i know saw ii is a multi-person game but if we take into consideration that darren lynn bousman was just allowed to take his personal script and attach it to saw ii while tweaking it with leigh whannell...it doesn't and never has felt like a saw movie to me (because it wasn't one to begin with). and this unfortunately set the precedent for later films to do big fuckoff games with ridiculous amounts of people. it makes the emotional beats of the story get muddled and doesn't really give the audience time to care about these characters or feel fear. it feels inconsistent with johns ususal schtick to me because, like...i think if he were to do Big games like that the times should definitely be different? it doesn't make sense for adam and lawrence to get 8 hours but the nerve gas house folks to only be given 3 hours. i guess it's mostly just up to personal interpretation but i feel like john's character and motives become watered down the further we get from the original film. it's also just bad fucking writing for them to insist he's 52.

from what i remember of jigsaw (ive only subjected myself to it once because it was That Bad), he just feels like a shell of himself. yknow when a fanfic writer writes a character and you can tell it's based on their very limited and mediocre understanding of the character? it felt like that. he was there sure but his bones certainly were not lol.

not to mention the trap at the end of saw x which Really pissed me off because of the straight up hypocrisy? john's most hard and fast rule is that the subject does REQUIRE a way to get out because that makes it 'fair' to him (it isn't but we have to use his logic here lol). where is that in the epic bad luck scene? they straight up just kill that guy. i think that's hooooooorseshit because the entire fuckin reason hoffman was blackmailed into giving his life to john was for Straight Up Killing A Guy and disguising it as a jigsaw trap.

also i honestly do sometimes find the gideon plotline to be a little stupid. i'm sorry. john could have just been a crochety old man who hated drug addicts for the sake of hating drug addicts. it's just a little too convenient of a retcon for me to get behind sometimes. "his wife worked at an addict rehab clinic and we lost our baby because of an addict" feels like it reflects more on patrick melton and marcus dunstan tbh. "i want people to appreciate the time they have on this earth without ruining their lives" translates much better to me when it's because of his cancer. we didn't need another "reason" for his behavior especially when he's the main antagonist? mostly what i'm saying is that the writer collaborations/handoffs and yearly releases really hurt the character because he gets gradually weaker over the course of the films