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tempestmothstorm · 3 months ago

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Anyways here’s a long thingy about character motivations and how it influences actions and the epiphany. It’s been sitting in my drafts for months because I have no idea how to conclude it satisfyingly so here you go.

I yapped a lot in this post but basically Monika’s actions were in my eyes driven by the fact that 1. Nothing in her reality matters 2. You are the only thing that does exist and can matter, and 3. She wants more than anything to have value in life and to have a connection with someone real, and if she has no value she’s better off dead.

While base game is in caused by external factors like the epiphany, it’s also caused a lot by Monika’s own character traits that get turned into flaws when applied here. A lot of the things that drive her to do what she did was already there in the side stories. It’s one of those tragedies driven by character traits that in any other plot would have been inconsequential. Monika’s perfectionism and need to feel of value lead to her abandoning everything when her world couldn’t provide those things, seeking out you because as the only real person you are the only person she can be of service to meaningfully.

It makes me think about the rest of the club and how their big character motivations would influence them. To sum up my own ideas:

Monika is drive by a need to be useful. She may seem to be the perfect golden child who has everything she could ever want, but deep down she feels the need to prove herself for these things. She needs to be perfect, to be the best for others. Whether it be her role as club leader, model student, model citizen, or good friend, she focused on doing the best she can and proving her worth. She can’t put her own responsibilities onto others, it’s her own burden that she needs to carry for others. She knows her existence takes up thousands of resources at the cost of thousands of people, and with how privileged she knows she is, she wants to pay it back somehow, even if she knows it’s impossible. She can’t let anyone down, especially herself, she needs to prove that she’s deserving of all the things she has. She doesn’t want to be a burden to others. If she can’t pay back all the things she’s gotten from other, she’d be better off dead

Sayori is driven by the desire to make everyone happy. She says so herself so it’s pretty obvious. Surroundings herself with friends, she wants nothing more than to be there for them. She’s great with interpersonal relationships and emotions shown throughout both the main game and side stories, with her being the people person to defuse fights, boost morale, lift people up, and understand people in ways they don’t even understand themselves. it’s how she shows how much she cares, it’s one of the only things she feels she’s good at. She needs to make herself worth it for her friends, but the problem is that no amount of work she does for them will make her feel less of a burden, like she doesn’t deserve her life. But she can’t tell anyone else about these thoughts, it wouldn’t help them, it wouldn’t make them happy. Her own self hatred only grows and gets worse the more she hides it, but letting it out will only prove her self hatred right. If she can’t be useful to her friends in some way, if she ends up as a burden to everyone around her, they’d all be better off if she were dead

Yuri is driven by the want to be understood. She’s lived her life being an outsider, the weird one with interests and behaviours no one understands. She struggles with expressing herself and her feelings, only really knowing how to connect with others via her niche interests, meaning she only connects to a small amount of people. People had dismissed and made assumptions about her for so long that she just accepted that she’d always be an outsider, that she’s weird and that no one would understand the true her. So she puts up a mask, caring about her image and how she’s seen, trying her best to seem mature and wise if she can’t be loved as she is, to hide her weirder interests so she doesn’t put people off. The real her would scare off others, make people think she’s weird or gross, anything people can misconstrue as bad. People push away what they can’t understand, but on some level she might have learned to agree with these judgements. Why would people put up with someone who deserved these assumptions anyways. Maybe she could hide away parts of herself to be loved, but at some point she can’t change who she is, they’ll see something in her they don’t like and they’ll hate her. They’ll misinterpret what they don’t understand, and she’ll become something lesser in their eyes. She couldn’t stand the idea of being misunderstood and othered, so maybe she could just accept being alone instead.

Natsuki is driven to find a sense of belonging. More than anything she’s scared of being alone, left behind because she couldn’t put up with the cost of relationships. Pretty much all of her behaviour in the side stories is just her trying to open up, find new friends, but also desperately cling to old ones despite how harmful they are. She doesn’t really have good relationships with anyone outside the club. Her family life is ambiguous, but she can’t exactly leave whatever is going on with her dad. Whether or not she wants to, she’d have no other home to go back to if she leaves him, so she has to endure whatever degrading there is. No matter how she may fear her father’s judgment, she can’t survive on her own. Similarly, her friends also put her down. They judge and misinterpret her for who she is, make fun of her constantly, make her feel like she’s less, and overall make her feel worse about herself. They might not realize it, but they don’t actually like her for who she is. Yet Natsuki can’t let go because what else is there for her. She can endure the judgement because the alternative would be that she’s alone and abandoned. They might not like her for her, but at least she belongs somewhere. She worries so much about leaving them because she can’t guarantee another friendship besides them, she can’t imagine another regroup that would ever accept her. She couldn’t stand being alone like that, so instead she’ll endure being misunderstood and judged if if means she isn’t left behind.

These things pretty heavily influenced how they actually both in base game and side stories. The latter is obvious, but I think the roles they play in base game are also cool. Because Monika’s role is meant to be the helpful guide tutorial npc, fit for a person who’s desperate to be useful. Sayori is the whole trope of the heart of the team holding everyone together emotionally, breaking up fights, creating the games jokes, and even being the inciting incident. With her the game is happier and cheerful, while in act 2 her loss signals the tonal shift. Yuri is the maiden of mystery, with the first act being the part where we learn about her and her interests and understand her. In act 2 her character is misconstrued as her actions and entire being is flipped and misinterpreted into something shallow and scary just as she feared she was. Natsuki is the tsundere with the first act focusing on her opening up and finding the club as a place to be accepted and belong after pushing the others away from so long. Meanwhile act 2 has her slowly pushed away from the focus as the entire club begins to ignore and neglect her (basically that one Natsuki analysis I made once). As much as I restate my points I do it because I feel like the way character motivations here inform how they behave is so interesting and cool from a meta perspective. And I also think they’re really interesting because despite their distinctions they’re also very similar and often overlap

Sayori and Monika are about making their lives valuable and mean something by supporting others. While Monika leans to the more practical perfect golden child, Sayori acts as the heart of the team and shoulder to lean on. One’s way of proving themselves is focused on their smarts and skills while the other is all about interpersonal relationships. This is why they act as club president and vice president as they act as the guides to the other members, including the player. Part of it is them selflessly wanting to pay back to the people they care about, but part of it is also the desire for them to be needed. The problem with that framework is that being “needed” enough is both near impossible and super draining. They need to serve others, but for all their work it will never been enough for them. It’s no wonder they have self esteem issues. At least Monika still feels like she could achieve perfection (at least until act 4), Sayori has already given up and accepted that she’s a failure in her eyes. Because they need to be the best for others, they don’t like to talk about their feelings because they don’t want to be a burden on others. Talking about their own problems doesn’t help anyone, but it also doesn’t fix their problems either, so it just gets worse. Self fulfilling prophecy I guess

Yuri and Natsuki are all about finding people to trust, though their exact aims are opposites. They don’t really have actual connections, having been hurt by others in the past, and while they can be fiercely loyal once they find someone safe, they otherwise have a hard time opening up. They yearn for connections deep down, but they way of searching for it means they can’t really form stable ones. Yuri wants to be understood, but the second she feels off another person’s wavelength, she retreats, never committing to actually understanding each other better in fear that they’d hate what they’ve learned. She’s resigned herself to being alone, a fate that Natsuki spends the whole game running away from. Natsuki already has relationships, but they’re really unhealthy, with the people around her not respecting or understand her for who she is. Yet she still endures being misunderstood because the alternative is leaving them behind. She doesn’t trust she could find another place to belong anyways. They embrace each other’s worst fear in an attempt to reach their own desires, but neither approach is complete enough to get them what they need. They’re too afraid to step outside their comfort zone so they constantly accept that their loneliness and lack of acceptance is the default. Having been hurt in the past, they’re really just afraid of talking about their feelings, ironically being the one thing that can actually fulfill their needs. But they think their framework for relationships is how things have to be. They don’t realize one framework requires the other to truly work and be healthy. Self fulfilling prophecy again I think.

So yeah to boil down why the games love to pair up Monika/Sayori and Yuri/Natsuki this would probably be one of the big reasons. They all parallel each other in a million different ways, but for these specific pairings it’s the difference between being the best for your friends vs finding friendship in the first place. It’s just that both of these motivations also make them allergic to opening up about their problems in the game about hidden depths. Oops. Sure hope these things become part of a positive character arc about acceptance and relationships and not a painfully ironic downfall of a tragedy.

The thing uniting them all is that they all yearn for bonds and companionship at the end of the day, whether it’s maintaining these bonds or finding them. The problem is that they feel they aren’t good enough to deserve it, either trying desperately to disprove it by either helping others or putting up a person of confidence that they’re better.

Despite how important it is for relationships, their desire for relationships ironically lead to them having their own unique difficulties in opening up to people. It sounds contradictory, but relationships are complicated like that and it feels honest about how weird insecurity can be. But what prevents them from falling apart from miscommunication and isolation is the fact that they’re willing to try. Throughout the side stories they’re willing to be vulnerable, to open up and risk it all so that their bonds could become the best it can. Through the events of the side stories, their wish for connections can be fulfilled.

Notably due to events in base game none of these things are resolved , and if anyone ever reached the epiphany like Monika, they’d realize their wants aren’t possible in the first place (at least from the perspective of Monika’s epiphany)

Monika can never be truly meaningful if she’s just pngs and lines of text in a visual novel. Her existence can never influence the real world that matters, and with none of her friends being real, she can’t mean something to them either.

Sayori’s stuck in a horror game where everything bad happens to her friends, they all have to suffer for the epiphany. Monika directly says that no joy can be found in the literature club. If everyone is real, every is doomed to suffer with the reality that their lives are stuck in a game. If no one is real, their happiness is artificially, nobody is actually happy, happiness can only exist for someone real. Happiness can’t exist anywhere else in this world

Yuri’s whole deal in act 2 centres around her becoming mischaracterized into an unlikable person. Who she is is misinterpreted and twisted and flanderized into something she doesn’t want to be. Her worst fears are what she is now. Her problems and intentions are misunderstood to the point that she’s just a crazy yandere to everyone now, and now her image is tainted to both her friends and the player. Not that it matters, if she knew that her friends weren’t real, that they could never truly understand or comprehend who she is, that they only pretend to know how she feels, that they have no sentience and are merely lines of code, their understanding and care for her would mean nothing.

Natsuki is more alone than ever. Her one safe space becomes just as abusive as every other person in her life. They all distance from her, ignore her thoughts and needs, make her feel as if she doesn’t belong, put down her very existence in the club, and make her feel like she’s nothing. Nobody cares about her yet she has nothing else to rely on. And there’s no one else in her reality other than a club that hates her. Even then, they aren’t real. Fictional characters can only cure loneliness for so long. She’s still alone in the world with nothing real to care about her back. Shes truly alone

I think because of everyone’s need for connection being similar, they honestly would react similar to Monika if they were ever in her shoes. As the only “real” person in their world, you are the only answer to their problems left. I mean they wouldn’t reenact base game play by play or anything. I feel like some of them would be more direct in influencing the game to their needs or avoid actively affecting the other member’s mental states because it’d be a waste of time. And they’d probably be more attached to the club too (idk there’s also something about how Monika’s views on fiction also influencing her actions and how she kinda looks down on tropes and the type of stuff Yuri and Natsuki likes in base game. Overall I feel like base game would probably be slightly less murdery and manipulative but idk. if I psychoanalyzed everyone maybe I’d get a clearer idea but this is long.).

But like if the player is their only hope for real human connection, I feel like they would do anything to reach that. It might not be the same path as Monika, but if their options are either “be alone forever” or “try reaching out to the player” they’d probably make some questionable decisions at the cost of their own meaningless reality.

Act 4 Sayori had the benefit of hindsight on how best to reach the player, but if everyone started the same as Monika did, I do wonder how they would go about trying to reach the player. Maybe they’d be more similar than they’d think. Maybe that’s why they fit together so well. Maybe that’s why Monika wants to spare them from their fates. Maybe it’s part of why their isolation and dehumanization from each other becomes so painfully ironic. Ironically, they are the same deep down.

#IDK MAN IM POSTING IT NOW IM NOT GONNA REREAD FOR THE THOUSANDTH TIME WEEEEEEEEE #I FINALLY FINISHED THIS ITS BEEN MONTHS RHAHHHHH #Yknow I usually have a lot more extra commentary here but it’s been so long idk anymore I missed posting #listen I got swept up in two separate new brain rot waves and also was busy with life stuff #but it’s here now and I can breath #my mind is going to be preoccupied with a bunch of other stuff but man I still love these four facinating specimens in my Petri dish #doki doki literature club #ddlc #tempestmothtalk #analysis

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shannonsketches · 1 year ago

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Why is the anime so weird, it's not even the same series dude?? It's like,

Anime:

GOKU: I have a great idea to bring peace to the universe, and my leadership and compassion alone will unite us all. I have No Flaws and am A True Relatable Everyman :)

VEGETA: NO! I AM THE BEST AND I WILL CAUSE PROBLEMS UNTIL I AM RECOGNIZED AS SUCH!!!!

Manga:

GOKU: Vegeta what's cornmeal made of? I know it's what the corn eats, but what's it made of? VEGETA: Hey Kakarot let's play the quiet game until one of us dies.

#dbtag #I do not understand this writing it's so bad aklsdlkasjd #Toei wants Goku to be Clark Kent SO bad and he SO isn't lmao #they're so good and dumb and rounded and complex in the manga what is the anime so afraid of #Toriyama said 'no no this man is a detached faux-immortal who has a dear pure heart but he's childlike and selfish even though he's kind'#and toei went 'got it goku's never done anything wrong ever in his life'#toriyama said 'Vegeta's gone through a lot and he's finally settling into his more mature leadership role with the confidence he's earned'#and toei said 'got it vegeta has the confidence of a high school bully except now he can interact with his family as a comedy bit'#girl hWHAT #Toei trying to group Goku and Vegeta as two people who would rather train than be with their families and Toriyama said NO Vegeta wants #to be HOME this is the first time in years that he's HAD ONE and it makes him HAPPY to be with his wife and children!!#Vegeta trains so that he can protect the things he doesn't want to lose again and Goku trains because it's the thing that makes him happies #They are NOT the same lmao And yeah Vegeta still wants to beat Goku but he also knows that Gohan could dogwalk both of them if he wanted #He also knows Trunks and Goten are going to surpass them it's not about being the best anymore he's past that he just wants to Not Need Gok #He just doesn't want to have to rely on Goku to save the day he wants to be Enough on his own he just wants to know he can be #because every time it's mattered he WASN'T and people he loved were lost to his inability to protect them and he carries that #Like Whis diagnosed him with anxiety and cptsd out in the open and Beerus said he was self-centered for feeling guilt #+ he lowkey enjoys the rivalry it keeps him goal-oriented so he can't get complacent and lazy which is what triggered his Buu Saga breakdow #realized how Fucked Up it was that having a home and loving family made him feel like he was failing and went 'wait no I won actually??'#now he's chill as fuck in the manga. cool confident leader.#and sometimes he is childish and dumb with Goku as a treat #you know what rocks about his rivalry with Goku in Super though is that it's Playful. Vegeta is learning how to Play.#You ever seen a shelter dog get introduced to a really playful dog and it takes a minute for the shelter dog to understand it's safe here #And then they're both running around the backyard playing hot potato with one braincell?? That's Goku and Vegeta's relationship #and the way the anime sleeps on that dynamic is so fucking criminal especially when it's literally canon it's in print it's out there #you had the playbook how'd you fumble it this bad #anyway that's my 25+ year blorbo thoughts I love Geets a lot okay #And I love Goku in the manga a lot I'd forgotten that he's actually a great character when Toei's not fucking up his whole vibe

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chimerafeathers · 12 days ago

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actually i still have thoughts building on my interpretation of the timeline question from this timeline post

two main things. first, what Isabeau says about his Change

it's a metaphorical death, of course. Isabeau is still alive and did not literally, physically kill himself in order to Change. but even so, the person he "would" have been without that Change is "dead." he's still him, he's always been him, the kid he was is still in there but he's still Isabeau. there is only one timeline.

but, second, it's like. sometimes you remember a turning point in your life—an opportunity you took or didn't take. a coincidence that led to you meeting your best friend, or a choice that led to some of the darkest moments of your life, or a circumstance that you could have never controlled at all that, nevertheless, you can see how it shaped you as you are now, for better or for worse.

and maybe sometimes you are overwhelmed with something about how your life as it is now. and you find yourself mourning, deeply and sincerely, something that never existed. the death of that possibility, that "timeline" where you made a different choice, were born into a different family, had met a different person, had met the same person but at a different time.

would you be happier? would you still be "you"? would it be better if you weren't? would you be better?

there's no way to know. you are you, and have always been you. there is only one timeline.

...but for Loop...they make a choice, and their continuity is cut. they become the circumstances that change how the story plays out. they get to watch, from the outside, the "what if" scenario that would have led them to the happiness they sought.

it doesn't matter if the party or the world "literally" died and were rewritten in the wake of their wish. they are mourning something that never existed—a world where they are the one who is embraced and accepted without hesitation by a party who knows them. the party that could have given them that is dead, the version of themself that could have had that is dead, they are removed from the happy "what-if" even as it plays out before them. the grief and guilt are real even if the deaths are metaphorical.

there is only one timeline, but they can never again be THE Siffrin who loves their party instead of A Siffrin who changed beyond recognition. their choice destroyed something they can never get back. a party who loved them, and not their replacement. they're dead, they're gone, they're replaced with people who only know to turn that love towards someone else who wears their face.

but of course, of course the opportunity for reconnection still exists. no matter what details change, no matter if the party from the Prologue and the party from ISAT are the same exact people or some rewritten version of them, the fundamental cores of them prevail. and they are predisposed towards loving each other. their happiness is still within reach—it will just look different than they had thought.

#mypost #cw sui mention #i guess. metaphorical mostly #isat spoilers #in stars and time spoilers #as i said in the tags of the post i linked. i LIKE exploring the differences between the prologue and isat #and even ramping them up more than what is evident when you actually compare the games #but as far as loop's feelings/how to interpret canon goes--i don't think it makes that much of a difference?#like. Siffrin is going to feel guilty for Bonnie's death Forever. and that 'technically never happened' either #but there was a timeline where it Did #likewise there WAS a timeline where the whole party looked at saapfrin and saw Siffrin #and that party no longer exists.#they never will again. not in the way they used to even after reintroductions are made #it will Always be different #BUT we DO have the prologue game to reference and personally i think there are enough differences to not just say they're identical #even accounting for the House getting progressively more mixed up deeper into the loop count #all this to say like.........i interpret the 'deaths' that Loop talks about as simultaneously real and metaphorical #and not exclusively one or the other #the details are different in the prologue = they legitimately WERE 'different' people to some minute extent #the details reshuffled as a result of loop's wish = the 'death' of the people Loop knew/who knew Loop on a cosmic and metaphorical scale #also i hope none of this comes across as like. confrontational or anything somehow towards the op of that post #genuinely happy to read it and get different insights that made me think more deeply about my own perspective!#god why do i write two posts every time i write a post. a million lines of tag clarifications always #i didn't dwell much on the Isabeau portion but it's like. his choice was deliberate and purposeful and he STILL saw it as a 'death'#of COURSE Loop is going to see this thing they did to OTHER PEOPLE that irrevocably changed the course of their lives #ACCIDENTALLY AND WITHOUT THEIR CONSENT #as 'killing them' in some way. in some ways it's the same as ANY loop reset where they get rewritten #but in others it's so so much bigger than that.#more final than dying and going back to how they were.

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journeyman-tier-fibercraft · 5 months ago

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I'm a little late for WIP Wednesday but I haven't knit since Wednesday so it still counts right?

I have absolutely smashed this underarm portion of the back panel, on row 153/160 (95%!!!). However. My goal for the underarm length is 24 inches. And I'm currently at 22. T-T I will Increase My Total (168 will probably work but I'll report back when I have motivation)

I'm already looking ahead to the upper back portion, which will be about 64 rows based on my gauge. Plus a couple more rows for shoulder shaping.... I'm Actually on row 153 out of 238. 64% finished.

I'm usually a Process Knitter but this is very much a Product Knitter's project. I keep daydreaming about all the lace shawls I could be knitting (but never wear). But the Evil Pink Cardigan.... My precious...

#knitting #wip #wip not wednesday #lace rot #lace knitting #i lost the plot on this. i have been awake for so long #sadly we had a heat wave which caused my arthritis to flare something awful. I wanted to finish the underarm before posting #but alas it was not to be. my adhd ass hates nothing more than finally getting 100%. i have abandoned so many things at 95%#(plus like the full body aches but that's like life or something idk. chronic illness core.)#there's so many things i need to do for this cardigan. I still haven't blocked the second sleeve.#it's been below freezing and when it's not i'm in too much pain to do pinning. :/#I also gotta knit the pocket inserts. Linings? The Whole Ass Pocket #actually i typed that and then i checked and i have one half done. ok brain how did you not notice that #i'm knitting them in the round starting with judy's magic cast on.#but I'm kinda uhh apprehensive? that its going to wear out really fast. it would probably be better to knit two parts separately and seam #but if the point of failure is where it connects to the cardigan body it won't matter what cast on I use :)#I'm going to put in a semi permanent life line in the pocket (and probably in the rows right before and right after the opening)#and say fuck it we ball. when it develops holes i'll just replace it (and cry and scream and eat my yarn stash)

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oddly-casual · 2 months ago

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Puzzlematsu Another One Overanalysis (Pt.2)

Im back with the rest of the brothers! If you want the breakdown of the three eldest you can read that here.

ESP Kitty is always with Ichimatsu and I love him for that. I also love how ESP Kitty just hangs there like a sock full of peanut butter, look at him.

As for the location, I’m not sure why Ichimatsu is on the balcony. I can’t think of any distinct call backs that have Ichimatsu on the balcony- except maybe Campaign, but Ichimatsu slept on the roof, not the balcony.

My educated guess is that Ichimatsu can people watch and be invested in other people while comfortably staying in his home.

We see Ichimatsu watch people from afar and wait around like he’s waiting to be invited, but will jump away like an alley cat the minute they get close to him

We also see this in the Angel & Devil set, where Ichimatsu watches from a distance while other people have fun. So it makes sense that a time of self reflection would pop up when he’s just people watching.

Off rip, I love how the cracks in the shadow’s mask look like cat whiskers. They stay giving Ichimatsu every cat theme ever and I think its adorable. Everything in this final image is cat related and it just proves that Ichimatsu really is just a simple creature.

On a real, I love how ESP Kitty was ready to throw hands with the shadow self until he realized they were cool. The inner self is actively happier and has the most in tact mask.

I think his inner self is someone Ichimatsu is aware of and has accepted, but often refuses to show. Ichimatsu has admitted before that he wants a ton of friends, and to lie about doing fun and adventurous stuff for the attention- and he didn't sound so ashamed of it from season 2 onwards.

I like how the background is split in terms of color. The Inner self has more warm tones and an open field, where as the Ichimatsu we know has cooler tones with the background bending around him like its trying to protect him- which is very Ichimatsu.

(and maybe I’m rustling my straight jacket with this one, but the upper right corner suspiciously looks like Karamatsu’s shattered glasses. Which could mean any number of things, but I think it’s just suspiciously shaped crystal breaks-What would I know)

They keep referencing Homra but they wont give her back to us.

Jyushimatsu being by the same beach he met Homura in would be prime for some self reflection. It also hints that he thinks about her more often than not. So she was definitely more than just another person to him. Not much I can say about the first two panels.

It’s pretty self explanatory, and I think Jyushimatsu’s inner self just walking next to him is such a Jyushimatsu thing to do.

This final image is full of so much playful and weird imagery and it is so very in character. Its basically a collage of references, so speed round!

It has his favorite sport, baseball. Which of course his inner self would like.

Jyushimatsu’s is also the only set that has his ego inside of it. The bubble he sits in that is so far away from earth- which is also why I think the earth is in there at all. It’s related to his weirdness and his out of this world energy, which I feel is an important part of his character.

As for why Saturn is also there, Saturn as a planet represents responsibility, structure, the passage of time, limitations, etc. So the reason as to why its the only broken planet by something Jyushimatsu loves, is probably because he wants to destroy those expectations.

There is also the daisies. Representing innocence, freedom, youth, cheerfulness, and happiness. All of which feel like they would belong to someone like Jyushimatsu.

The crescent moon to me just feels like a nice aesthetic choice, a nod to the sleeping moon in children’s books. While crescent moons are representative of new beginnings and change, there’s nothing else inside the image that I feel would really tie into that meaning.

His background is also the most warped one. While it still has the rough edges, its smooth and wavy on its sides. Which remind me a lot of Jyushimatsu’s tentacle arms.

Jyushimatsu and his inner self sitting back to back feels like a vocaloid cover, but I feel it also shows that they do live in co existence. Jyshimatsu doesn’t fully understand his inner self judging by the expression on his face- but he lives with it. Probably even indulges in it the most.

Todomatsu is very about the times…kind of. I feel like a lot of Todomatsu’s wants come in the form of what will elevate him in social standing. It affects a lot of aspects of his character. Him getting a part time job was to be close to women and posting on social media to gain attention, are a few examples- but the biggest one comes in the form of how he dresses.

I bet your ass he’s never even been to New York, he just struts the tote around because its trendy. He drinks a white girl Starbucks, and shops at the most trendy stores.

Much like Karamatsu, Todomatsu’s shadow comes at a time of literal reflection. The shadow self reaches through the glass like a horror movie. One that reached directly for Todomatsu, instead of offering a hand or even just not touching him at all.

All the inner selves have some sort of contact, but Todomatsu’s just looks like pure curiosity. The kind you see in paintings when two other worldly concepts come together to understand one another. Todomatsu actively listens to his inner self, and doesn’t try doesn’t try to force it away.

There’s not a lot I can pick apart from the mask, just that it could be the way his inner self is. Happy despite all the social pressure he puts on himself.

The background is interesting to me, mostly because I cant really figure out what it means or what it’s referring to.

I think the phone being shattered definitely means something. It is most likely where Todomatsu gets most of his attention and validation from, as well as how he connects with most people. It being shattered means he only has himself to look to, and look for that validation.

Everything else? It feels like an inner fun land. Like a party or a street parade. It could be a celebration of the self, or the want to have fun in a more innocent time. There is also a lot of pink and more of a feminine lean with the pink bows, but that’s more standard with Todomatsu since he is the Matsu most featured in a feminine lens.

This has been super fun for me, and maybe if I missed something or someone has a different interpretation of the set I’d love to hear it.

#osomatsu san #ososan #osomatsu san analysis #fandom #ososan season 4 #they’re so silly #I wish I had more of a concrete idea for Todomatsu’s final set image but I’m still kind of lost #I don’t think it’s a reference? and any like deeper meaning is kind of lost on me besides childhood #or fun or a celebration. Todomatsu celebrates himself a lot so it could be that too #Jyushimatsu had a lot to chew on and researching the meanings behind his was really fun #it’s also the set with the most going on and I love that #homura mentioned #They kind of tease her when it comes to Jyushimatsu and I get it #it was a super emotion driven episode for him and it left a lot of impact on people so I totally get it #but like just keep that energy when making the show and not just have her show up to funerals bc you need more characters PLEASE I BEG #this set is around season two ish before the movie I think so honestly ichimatsu #kind of surprised me with his interpretation but after some. thought I understood it #I also just love his his inner self is truely cat themed he’s so right #anyway i’m normal #promise #if anyone has any other ideas or interpretations I’d be so down to hear it okay kiss kiss byyyye

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