#jikook discourse

[stormblessed95]

Hello,

I hope you have recovered fully or are recovering well.

I only wanted to say this because I am an over thinker and someone needs to tell me to shut up. I don't have any Jikook fans in real life so these are the places I vent.

I think I am either the majority or.the minority depending on which space we are in that thinks and feels that Jikook are distant and have been for a while. I don't think like only because of the car scene. Even when they are taking photos, they aren't doing it like they used to do before. Before if one of them was taking a photo of the two, generally they would be attached at the hips and in each other's face. I didnt notice them doing that in the first two episodes but I also just saw a small clip from Sapporo and they are also taking a pic but they are but distant from each other. I know it might be some miniscule to you but these are few of the instances where I felt that their relationship was beyond friendship.

I know I am over thinking it but I don't know, I don't feel as good about it I suppose. What happened to the Jikook that would literally smooshed their faces together for a photo? What happened to Jikook that were always seen hanging out prior to the hiatus. I heard about them hanging out all the time.

Yes they were busy and I get that. Jimin specially seems to have been super duper busy but he seems to have built a deeper relationship with the Hyung like but kep.a distance from the Maknae line so I am a bit confused I suppose. Out of all the BTS members, I always assumed Jikook were it and nothing would come in between so I am surprised to see work coming in between them?

I still feel like shiiitttt lol but I had to start work today anyway. Thanks for checking in though 💜

Listen, I'm not here to tell you what to think or tell you what your opinion should be. Think whatever you want. I'm sorry to say, but I'm not ever going to be the one to talk you into shipping Jikook. You think they aren't together, that's totally good by me! I hope you still love and support them as BTS, and I hope you have a wonderful day and enjoy any part of the fandom you continue to participate in, including mine if you stick around anyway on my blog.

I'm just here to present facts and let you draw your own conclusions based off that. And sometimes share my opinions about them, but only with the caveat that no one steals MY opinion and must create their own 😉

So for the facts, babygirl (I use as a gender neutral terms), for as many selcas as Jikook took like this:

They took JUST as many like this, which are (edging into opinion territory just a bit here) just the same as the glimpses we've gotten of selcas taken from AYS

Close together for the selfie, but not smushed as close as they could possibly get without just going ahead and crawling inside each other. Just a normal cutesy photo

More facts! As for hanging out prior to the hiatus (where I guess now it's assumed they never saw each other not even once, which is opinion and assumption, not fact), I have a post already done about all the times Jikook were spotted hanging out outside of work (because BTS time is work).

Hint: it's less often than you think

Double hint: they were still glued at the hip, we just know they were because they say and act like they were, not because we got to see or hear about it

Triple hint: it's probably exactly the same now except we know that currently, at this moment, they choose to continue to be glued at the hip for the next 18 months at minimum

I have other posts about their dates too, but this is the one that covers the topic I mentioned above best I think

Work came between them? Is that what they said or is that what you took their words to mean based on your biases and previous assumptions?

Anywho! Thanks again for checking in on me love.

Just a bit of unsolicited advice that you are free to disregard. I think whatever you decide about how you feel about Jikook, you should consider taking an emotional step back from them, just a smidge. Nothing that is only supposed to bring you joy, BTS or any other hobby, should get you feeling so far in your head feeling so conflicted. Good luck, sending you purple hearts! 💜💜💜💜💜💜💜

[kkyuyus]

considering how much jikookers here revere kjkkers and use their existence as jikook proof, there is a shocking lack of culturally literate analysis and even a blatant disregard for cultural and linguistic literacy evident in a lot of the takes on this website. like, sure, you don't speak or read Korean, that's fine, but you still need to keep in mind that you're consuming everything in translation and unless you are very familiar with korean culture, out of context as well.

gush about things you find cute as much as you want!!!! but if you're going to be out here writing "analysis" and making claims about their relationship based on things they've said, you have to know what they actually said. if your entire argument is based on the connotations of a particular translation, you don't have much of a leg to stand on. and moreover, if you're discussing the way they talk to each other or things they call each other, you absolutely cannot just rely on translations.

i mean i guess at the end of the day, people can do whatever they want. i just really wish there was more careful and literate jikook content out there. and maybe also that people would think a little more about whether what they're about to post is really what they think it is.

[generationaldetachmentlife]

This is creepy. Slaaverin reposted this a few hours ago and I was just reading this exact post last night after I found Jiminieloved’s UJT and decided to start at the beginning. It’s a worthwhile read and the UJT will be my bedtime reading to keep me busy for the next 15 days.

The Beginning of Jikook? (Publicly...)

I had a revelation last night while I was doing research for my Jikook Timeline, and I have never in my months on Jikook twitter/tumblr ever seen anyone talk about this. I don’t know if it’s a new discovery or something people just haven’t connected the dots publicly before, but I can’t keep quiet about it. 

I’ll start with the background events, so you have context into what the members were going through, then I’ll present what I’ve found, then I’ll tell you what I think about all of it. Even if you don’t necessarily believe there’s anything more than friends going on between Jikook, just read what I wrote, and then think about it. I won’t try to convince you of anything. I’m honestly really shocked about what I’ve found. I’m the type of person to always err on the side of caution, especially with matters of real people, so I want to affirm that nothing is real until they tell us it is. That being said, this twitter interaction I found doesn’t seem to have a platonic explanation. So let’s get started!

Background: 

August 2015. BTS is in the middle of an International tour; The Red Bullet Part 2. 

On August 18, during the Osaka leg of their tour, Jimin had a fainting incident, and ended up being sent to the hospital. He was unable to perform that night. It was a very traumatic event for members and ARMY alike. ARMYs reported that Jungkook was crying during the performance.

On August 20, during Jimin’s first performance back since the incident, a really meaningful interaction took place between Jimin and Jungkook, caught on camera.

Jungkook directly sang him romantic lyrics, and Jimin couldn’t keep himself from grinning for the rest of the performance. 

Event:

August 23, Jungkook posted a song recommendation on Twitter. 

The song is entitled ‘I Will Give Everything to You" by Lee Jang Hee. Tae and JK sang this song together on a Vlive a few days prior to this Twitter post, and a kind ARMY posted a translation of the lyrics. 

“I will pick off the stars and give (them) fully to your two hands.”

At 2-3 am that night (if I am correct in my timezone conversion), Jimin posted a tweet, with no context, unprompted.

“The stars in the night sky🎶😳”

My thoughts:

First of all, I want to say that as a Jikooker, I was always a little hesitant to believe the theories that the song recommendations that Jungkook post are related to Jikook. Mostly because it can be a blurry line of overanalyzing everything a person does to have it fit into your ship. However, this post makes me kind of question that. 

It seems like Jimin’s tweet was in direct response to JK’s song recommendation, and… well, it includes a blushing emoji. 

I think at the time of the boys tweeting this, the connection may not have been made my ARMY because at that point, there hadn’t really been any ‘suspicious’ occurrences between Jikook. However, in hindsight, this seemed to be a very intimate, non-platonic interaction between the two members in plain sight. And nobody questioned a thing! 

In my opinion, this is where the floodgates burst open in terms of Jimin and Jungkook’s more questionable interactions. This whole sequence events seemed to be a turning point to me.

Whether or not you ‘believe’ in the pairing is up to you, and I won’t judge you. But either way, this interaction is clearly a milestone that the Jikook fandom should be aware of!

[jeonscatalyst]

I normally don’t involve myself in the politics of this fandom, but everything that has unfolded over the past few days has left me utterly dumbfounded.

Anyone who refuses to acknowledge that this fandom has always treated Jimin differently is either extremely obtuse or simply unwilling to accept what is right before their eyes.

Before these AMA nominations, Namjoon had been nominated for numerous fan-voted awards, yet this same fandom never bothered to lift a finger for him, forget about awards, they don’t even care to stream Namjoon’s music. Now, they claim they want to rally behind Namjoon because they already “gave” Jimin a Daesang….but let’s be honest here.

Back then, Jimin was never the chosen one. The so-called agreement was that the fandom would rally behind whoever had the highest chance of winning and it just so happened to be Jimin. Even then, the majority of the fandom was against voting for him. During the TMA Popularity Award, when both Jimin and Yoongi were nominated and had the highest chances of winning, this same fandom chose to vote for Yoongi and were angry when Jimin emerged as the winner. So, my question is: when has Jimin ever truly been the fandom’s chosen one?

Let me be clear-I have no issue with people wanting Namjoon to win. He absolutely deserves it. He has deserved so many wins in the past that the fandom failed to show up for.

Where I take issue is with the sudden urgency this fandom has now found and, unfortunately, it is not driven by pure intentions. Eighty percent of the people rallying are not doing so because they believe Namjoon deserves this win; they are doing it because they do not want Jimin to win. I can bet my last dollar that if Namjoon were up against any other member even Jungkook or Taehyung who are part of the maknae line, we would not be seeing this frenzy.

There’s another fan-voted award happening right now where Namjoon is losing. If this push were genuinely about supporting him, they would be rallying there too. But they’re not because Jimin isn’t competing in that category.

Namjoon winning this award would be a beautiful and deserved moment. For years, he carried BTS on his back, shielding the group and members even when he himself was just a kid. His music style may not be the most crowd-pleasing, but he is undeniably talented and gifted. He deserves this win and many more to come.

Jimin deserves a win too. And if only people knew how to recognize that both are deserving without throwing shade at either, we would be in a much better place.

The reality is: winning for Namjoon would be wonderful, but the intentions behind pushing for his win are tainted. If you are only trying to get someone to win because you want the other person to lose, are you really doing it for them….. or for yourself? And the danger of acting out of spite is that you lack true commitment and passion.

I had to chuckle when I saw certain solo fandoms suddenly rallying for Namjoon. It’s honestly laughable because everyone including Namjoon-biased ARMYs and solos…..knows those other solos couldn’t care less about Namjoon.

The only reason they are participating is because they share a common hatred for Jimin. They don’t truly care whether Namjoon wins or loses…they only care that Jimin doesn’t win.

Any other winner would make them just as happy. Don’t even be surprised if some of them pretend to support Namjoon publicly but then cast their votes for any of the other groups or artist in the same category. It’s truly pathetic behavior.

Some might ask: what did Jimin ever do to this fandom to deserve this treatment, as if he were the fifth member of Blackpink?

The short answer is: NOTHING. He never did anything wrong.

Their real issue with him is that he exceeded the expectations they set for him. Had you told most ARMYs years ago that Jimin would perform the way he does today, they would never have believed it.

The problem with this fandom is that it moves like a cult….and not in a good way. They are rigid and resistant to change. Once they accept a narrative, they refuse to let it evolve.

For instance, it’s widely accepted that Hobi is the best dancer in BTS, and even the members acknowledge this. That’s perfectly fine. But it should never be a reason to harass those who think Jungkook or Jimin or others are better dancers.

People have different tastes.

I personally think Hobi is an incredible dancer, but I prefer Jungkook’s dance style the most, with Jimin as a close second. Does that make me any less of an ARMY or a Hobi hater? No. And for the record, Hobi is one of my top three favorite members….he’s my bias wrecker.

This fandom spent years labeling Jimin as only the third most popular member because they cling to their narratives, refusing to allow space for growth. When Jimin surpassed their expectations, they resented him for it, because they had already assigned him a place, and they didn’t want him to step beyond it. To them, he already has more awards than they ever thought he should have….so now they believe it’s their job to ensure he doesn’t win any more.

It’s truly sad.

I see some people saying that Jimin-biased fans are being weird or acting like antis because they’re upset at how things are unfolding.

I’m not speaking for solos here, but I think the real issue for Jimin-biased fans is not that people want to celebrate Namjoon but that they are only pushing for his win because they don’t want Jimin to have it.

That’s what frustrates me and many others.

And let’s not even start on how shady people have been toward Jimin especially those proudly yelling “we gave him a Daesang” when they didn’t even vote for him in the first place.

It’s perfectly fine to rally behind Namjoon and give him the win he deserves but let it be because you believe in his talent and contributions, not because you want to stop someone else from winning. Otherwise, your motivation is hollow and ironically, it only pushes Jimin-biased voters to work even harder, if only to ensure that Namjoon doesn’t win either.

I know change doesn’t happen overnight, but this fandom needs to stop behaving like a cult and start allowing people to think and act for themselves.

We can be united and support all the members while recognizing that not everyone has to see or do things the same way. Disagreeing with the majority doesn’t make someone an anti of the group or of any particular member.

[starryjkoo]

Please only Jungkook and Jungkook himself is to blame for people (a.k.a his own fans) always twisting his words and actions. Y'all have never bothered to ask yourselves why it's always JK who has to go through this and not the other members, especially the other two maknae line members, since people are just as obsessed with them too?

It's because for years JK has constantly contradicted himself in his words and actions, especially when it comes to Jimin. One minute he's hot, the next he's cold. One minute he says something nice about Jimin and then the next he's back to being an insensitive prick. One minute he's initiating touch with Jimin, the next he looks like he's close to physically throwing up when Jimin does the same to him😅. One moment he does something for Jimin that'll convince you that he truly loves him just a bit more than the others, the next he goes above and beyond for EVERYONE else while making it seem like it's impossible for him to even do the bare minimum for JM (his trip to Hawaii for Tae vs him saying "nah" when Jimin asked him to come watch him practice the next time ???)

No one but JK is responsible for the way his fandom is right now and for how they are treating Jimin. Things like these don't just stem from nowhere. These are his FANS projecting this "he's uncomfortable with Jimin/he hates Jimin/them" narrative onto him and his actions keep the narrative alive and consistent, while naturally the ones who care about Jimin/his relationship with Jimin will be sensitive to how he acts and expect him to be better.

Of course it's obvious that JK loves Jimin a lot and the "uncomfortable" Jikook moments have never bothered me personally because I've always had a reason about why they exist/why JK is like that with Jimin and it's a positive reason. But we can't deny the existence of certain things and why those things exist in the first place.

From an objective standpoint, it makes sense why there are people who believe he doesn't like Jimin and why every time he shows that he does in fact like Jimin or even more-than-just "like" Jimin, they resort to saying he's pretending or that he's being "forced". It also makes sense why there are those who have "high/unrealistic" expectations for him.

And BOTH those sides make up his own fandom, unlike others like Jimin whose antis are the one projecting the "he's fake/pretentious, doesn't really love JK or anybody" personality onto him. It's all from and because of JK.

Anyway it's sad that humans always choose to focus on the negative. Someone could show they love another person or a thing all the time, and the few times they do something towards that person/thing that others perceive as the opposite of love, they'll latch onto it and conclude that person doesn't actually love the person/thing. And the other times they show that love won't matter to them anymore.

The same way someone can be infinitely kind, patient and self-less but the one time they snap and express anger for some reason, people will be like "yep this is their real personality, these are their true colours, they were just pretending the whole time"

I’m procrastinating and avoiding doing something rn so I’ll go ahead and give this a long and serious answer even though I’m not super keen on asks like this. I think other people have probably already addressed this topic a lot better than me, but I’d like to spend a minute defending JK since I’ve already addressed the way fandom treats JM a few times on here.

First of all, it’s always JK having to go through this because JK sits at the center of the two most popular ships in an extremely toxic shipping culture where they are constantly fighting over his validation. That’s why his words and actions face the most amount of scrutiny and why they’re weaponized more often than any of the other members (even though it still does happen with other members). I think it’s really as simple as that. tkkrs especially are constantly twisting his words and actions painting him as a villain because Jikook makes them insecure, which is the same reason why they think JM is evil incarnate.

JJKs are half tkkrs, half Y/N’s (or kpop stans who hate and have always hated BTS) and they hate JM more than anything because on top of shipping, he’s also JK’s “main competition”. Of course they want to think that JK hates JM as much as they do when most of them are constantly projecting onto him. I’ll also add that there are a lot of JM/TH overly biased shippers who take everything JK says and does extremely personally too, and then they get their feelings irrationally hurt and take it out on Jungkook. A lot of ex-jkkr PJMs are extra vicious to him because of stuff like this too.

I’m not sure why you think these people are making rational objective observations that have any validity just because they consider themselves his “fans” when most of them are extremely biased and often have some sort of agenda when claiming that he doesn’t like Jimin.

The vast majority of examples of JK being “rude” are just projection and people taking everything he does in bad faith too. I don’t know what examples you mean where JK was allegedly so “insensitive” towards Jimin tbh, because I just constantly see people exaggerating normal teasing and playing to seem like some massive evil thing. And if you’re talking about clips from 200 BCE when he was literally barely a teenager and they were all like that - I don’t think that’s fair to hold against him either.

But let’s say that JK had a moment where he was insensitive - so why isn’t he allowed to be human? Have you never had days where you’re tired, or grumpy, or don’t want to be touched, ever had a moment where you were unintentionally a bit insensitive, a joke that fell flat or came out meaner than intended? Never gotten shy, self-conscious or distracted? Ever had a disagreement with friends? Gotten a little too competitive?

And it’s not just JK who has had these moments btw, it’s all the members because they’re human and none of them are perfect, they’re allowed to experience occasional negative emotions, allowed to have bad days, or quiet days, or days they don’t want to be touched, or are a little snippy with each other. I can't even begin to imagine having to navigate that kind of environment while dealing with my own negative emotions and having everything recorded, picked apart, and weaponized like that.

I feel like you’re basically saying that JK is never allowed to have an off day, and he’s never allowed to be in a bad mood, or say no to something he doesn’t feel like doing? He also can’t tease vmin or be sassy with them the way they are with each other, or the way most of us are with our own friends & family? He can’t get a little shy with JM either? He can only be happy and positive 100% of the time or risk validating psychos who want to claim he hates his bandmates? How is it his fault that people interpret everything he says and does with the most bad faith takes imaginable because of ship and stan wars?

Also I’m going to need a better example of JK not being willing to do something for Jimin because agreeing to go to Hawaii for a fun trip and sky-diving vs not wanting to go to the HYBE building (his workplace that he was mostly avoiding at the time) to sit on the floor and watch JM practice for hours is not really comparable. I don’t even think Jimin cared nearly as much as some people act, he was teasing JK and encouraging him to get out more and smiling throughout that entire exchange, it was never that serious tbh.

What gets me about that whole situation too is that JK was more outwardly supportive of JM during FACE era than he was for any other member, but it’s still not good enough for some people for some reason. And you’re talking about JK being willing to go to Hawaii, but didn’t he travel two more times with JM after JM came to him in NY? Didn’t he agree to JM’s show idea, all this on top of having an insane schedule? Not to mention the night before Jeju, did he not cook Jimin four servings of whatever food after a long plane ride simply because JM asked him to?

There are so many examples of antis taking JM’s obvious playful behavior and twisting it to paint him as a villain, so isn’t it vastly unfair to then turn around and do the same thing to JK? If we can recognize the absurdity in painting JM as an abuser because he reacted to JK’s scuzzi teasing by cursing and gentle roughhousing, shouldn’t we be able to apply the same kind of logic to the people trying to make JK seem like a bully over his reaction to JM purposefully riling him up over ham? Were the “insensitive” remarks you’re referring to ever that serious, or was it normal teasing, friendly jabs, and playful roughhousing? Why is it okay for you to interpret all JK moments in bad faith, blame him for it, and hold it against him forever, while not holding others to the same standards? Shouldn’t we be able to recognize the absurdity in interpreting either of their actions in such obvious bad faith?

I’m just going to have to heavily disagree that there’s ever been a logical objective basis in thinking that JK dislikes Jimin, or that he’s uncomfortable with him. I’m not talking about shipping, I mean the people who think that they’re not even friends, because that’s actually an insane thing to think, and no normal fan is going to look at JKs behavior, where he has had countless examples of encouraging, complimenting, having fun with, and supporting Jimin - who he literally enlisted together with - and then think that they don’t like each other, or that they have a bad relationship, or that JK is annoyed with or dislikes JM. What normal, rational person would actually think that JK would enlist with someone who made him uncomfortable? 99% of the things people use against JK are just normal friendly teasing, and I don’t think he should be expected to act like a friendless robot in fear of a handful of weirdos twisting his words so they can be shady and nasty towards Jimin on social media.

And honestly if people don't like JK's personality or how he comes off that's their right but it's also just their personal opinion, they shouldn't project that on JM who clearly doesn't mind and seems to really enjoy their dynamic a lot. If he didn't like it, he would call it out. Instead he has zero worries about fighting with JK in the military despite Jin's cautioning that even friends of ten years end up fighting. I've seen the hot and cold thing before, and maybe I'm just mostly coming up blank because I'm not one of those jkkrs with encyclopedic knowledge, but I think any moments like that were really not so serious to hold such a grudge over, or to be interpreted so extremely and then used to justify such illogical takes.

Also you’re saying that JJKs interpreting JKs words and actions shadily means something, but you know that PJMs have done the same thing with Jimin right? Like it was PJMs who started that whole thing during Yoongi’s concert trying to imply that JM shaded JK when he said ARMYs were having more fun that night. Also I’ve seen PJMs posting that quote where JM said he was being careful about what he posts online while in the military to shade other members (and then they got mad when iirc KTHs took it personally lol). I also remember PJMs hyping up the fact that Jimin didn’t post for Seven (until he posted JKs hot100 #1). And I remember the whole debacle of that music show hug where both KTHs/PJMs were acting like it was the coldest, most impersonal hug they’ve ever seen and proof the two were no longer friends only for all that to be followed by vicnic and a lot of vmin moments. I can't remember the exact context but I think they've tried to do this with YG too. Solos projecting their negative feelings onto whoever they bias is not anything new, and it’s not something that only happens with JK. Pretty sure a lot of PJMs and some JM biased spent a good chunk of CH2 trying to push the narrative that JM was purposefully distancing himself from tkk because a lot of them simply wanted it to be true, only for the last half of the year to be the literal opposite of that. I've also seen a few PJMs push the fanservice narrative despite that literally being something he receives an insane amount of hate for.

It’s also extremely typical to see stans projecting mean girl personalities onto whoever they bias, I see people do it with groups all the time. Hell, ARMYs just did the same thing with JK’s comment about APT mentioning only Bruno implying he was shading Rose when I sincerely doubt that was his intention. That’s just how people operate in stan spaces, and it’s not the fault of the idols. Another example being aespa, those girls seem like they’re friends with half the industry and yet I constantly see their stans trying to pretend they’re shading every other group.

JJKs being what they are is probably a whole other discussion but no I do not blame JK for his solos being like that at all (just like I would never blame JM for PJMs). He also has a lot of token stans and success stans who don’t even like or respect him as a person, so no I don’t think they understand his personality or have any rational basis in interpreting his words and actions so negatively.

Anyway it's sad that humans always choose to focus on the negative. Someone could show they love another person or a thing all the time, and the few times they do something towards that person/thing that others perceive as the opposite of love, they'll latch onto it and conclude that person doesn't actually love the person/thing. And the other times they show that love won't matter to them anymore. The same way someone can be infinitely kind, patient and self-less but the one time they snap and express anger for some reason, people will be like "yep this is their real personality, these are their true colours, they were just pretending the whole time"

Anyways, I totally agree with this? Which is why your ask has me a bit confused (like is this bait to get me to yap in defense of JK 😭). Isn’t this like the perfect example of victim blaming then, because you’re saying it’s JKs fault that people are choosing to overlook all the good and nice things he does or says to focus on only their negative interpretation instead. Maybe your point is you feel that JK is genuinely being rude or insensitive, which is where I disagree, because imo 99% of the time it’s people choosing to misinterpret his actions to fit their narrative/agenda, and the 1% is normal, human emotion and all seven of them have had their moments.

Jungkook shouldn’t be held to impossible standards just because toxic fans exist, he doesn’t deserve to be dehumanized like that. I just fundamentally do not believe that he or any of the members need to cater to these types of fans, I don’t think they should have to live their lives being paranoid about what they say and do being taken out of context and twisted to that extent. Again, the only people who think that JK hates Jimin are super baised solos and shippers, not normal average fans, and JK shouldn’t have to alter his behavior to cater to those people who will most definitely find a way to twist his words and actions regardless of what he says or does, antis even do this with BTS in general, with Namjoon especially for fanwars all the time trying to twist his words. None of the members should ever be held at fault for their toxic solos or shippers.

anyways, I never found the right moment to post this video, but it's vaguely relevant here so I'll go ahead and add it. every time the discourse about the members being rude to each other pops up I think of this ProZD video about friends

edit: edited paragraph eleven for clarity 🫡

[generationaldetachmentlife]

Ha! I love the optimism of folks!

I want to preface this by saying that if one of them announced announced plans for a heterosexual traditional marriage, or came out in a gay relationship that is not Jikook, I would fully support them and be happy for them. No joke.

But if there is one thing that living in the post MAGAT US has taught me (weep for me non-Americans), it’s that people don’t give two fucks about facts if they contradict their core belief system. Many of these people who refuse to see what these two men have been sharing with us *repeatedly* in the past decade (?) or so, are not going to willingly accept it even if they come out in a world wide “we are proudly together (and gay)” pride tour. I have also learned enough about the diehard Zarrys and Larrys to expect pretty much the same kind of response from much of the tkk fandom even if JK and JM did come out - they will come up with any scenario to assuage their belief (fan service, fake news, etc) that JK and JM are not together.

As to them coming out, I honestly have thought about this a lot, even as a new Jikook believer (and new army if that’s what I am to be labeled as), and I see their scenario playing out more like how Pedro is balancing his fame with who he is.

We love Pedro in this household. Like LOVE him. But I used to lament that it’s a shame that he doesn’t feel comfortable coming out before I realized what a judgementally stupid thing that was - it’s his choice, not mine.

But even though Pedro has yet to come out and declare he’s gay or bi, he doesn’t hide it either. He is proud of his beliefs and he proudly stands up for LGBTQ+ rights, including trans rights, and the rights of all who are oppressed or lacking in freedoms worldwide wide. But whether or not he formally comes out is his choice, and coming out should always be a choice. Jikook will probably not make that choice and will continue doing their thing, and that is fine with me. I struggled with this myself when I acknowledged I was bi, and it was at a time when being bi was not accepted by almost any community. Thankfully I married someone who was beyond accepting of it and now I feel more comfortable talking about it, but it’s still my choice to decide who I will talk about it with, and who I won’t.

And to be honest I don’t understand the need for them to declare themselves. Yes, I get it, they are role models, but they are also human beings who are under a lot of pressure and who live in a very socially conservative country.

So no, even if they come out these folks will not be convinced. But who cares? As for me, I’m just happy they found each other in this lifetime.

If Jikook keep getting more and more obvious (imo they’re been for years already), to the point of almost undeniable (not like "properly" coming out but you know, pushing the boundaries even more as time goes by), do you think the fandom at large will finally acknowledge them? and those who kept telling us we were crazy for shipping them yada yada will recognize they were wrong? cause I feel like those few days there were quite a few non-shippers/anti-shipping/ot7 army who were joking about them and how cute and close they are. At least on my "for you" timeline on X, which kinda surprised me cause usually in times like these it used to be *crickets*. Idk maybe I’m being weirdly optimistic. At the same time I feel like for some ppl the closer Jikook get the more they double down on the "tHeY’Re jUsT BrOthErS" narrative…

😂😂😂

Sorry but I don't see it happening

Of course there might be a few who open their eyes

But until jikook tell officially "we are a couple" the fandom will turn a blind eye, no matter the crazy things they say or do (we saw this in the past)

And even if they come totally clean some people might still think it's company made couple, media play and such

If that day comes of course it will weed out people, but it's not going to happen unless there's something drastic otherwise people will always play it off as "brother behaviour" (disgusting 😵‍💫) or fanservice and such

Even a kiss can be said to be fanservice

People desire to be blind runs so deep

If they were to open their eyes it would be from something way bigger and undeniable than usual

Who knows maybe we'll go there 🤷🏻‍♀️

[reflections-in-a-critical-eye]

i for once want to get the opinion of a "rational" jikooker who knows how to take a step back and take certain things for what they are and i wanna know your opinion or interpretation of jikook in chap2 and them not meeting and also that conversation they had in the car about that please.

And you thought I'm that rational person? Funny.

You know, there's something I always disliked about being in this fandom space. I mean, there's plenty of other things, don't get me wrong, but this one in particular really irks me. It's the need for approval, for confirmation of one's thoughts. There's a severe lack of independent thought. It might be hidden under apparent strong opinions, but when you look at how those opinions are spread to anon messaging to bloggers everyday, that's a sign that the complete opposite happens.

Jikook as a kpop ship always has to be questioned. At this point, I think it's part of its narrative as a ship. But what's curious (and stupid) is that the hardest line of questioning comes from the ones who consider themselves interested/curious. But make no mistake, this is not done for the sake of not becoming delusional and discard any rational thought. It happens because of the need for approval.

You sent me this ask because you hope for me to agree with your own thoughts about jikook and what that conversation in the car means. Not for them actually, but for you. And you're not the only person. A sure sign of fandom insanity is debating for over 2 weeks now a conversation that is not only heavily editated, it is mediated as well. It takes place in the context of a show for fans in which participants are two people who will never reveal everything about their lives. And on top of that, there's an intentional need to ignore that people can speak in hyperbole, that people can ommit or say one thing that actually means more or another that only the other person is capable of understanding the nuances of that.

Communication is complex. We do know that because we engage with it everyday. Except we forget all that the moment we have to talk about this specific ship. We forget a lot of things about human behavior, relationships, etc. It is an intentional act. So we start writing fanfictions. We start making relationship timelines. We start taking about temporary or definitive break ups of a ship that hasn't even been confirmed as a couple. At this point, shippers operate into this alternative universe sphere, canon adjacent but instead of doing it on ao3, they use their blogs and anon messages for that. But hey, fanfics on ao3 are a lot of the times the work of talented writers, while 500-1000 words essays on tumblr are simply a complete waste of time after the first paragraph.

Is this what you would consider a rational perspective? Or should I start writing down a timeline of all the times in which JM and JK have met in "Chapter 2" up until NY in July? (As if in reality their lives are actually separated that clearly, as if a break in band work completely defines their personal lives, jesus christ!). So, should I note down all the public events that they've been to? And to draw a conclusion from it to prove or disprove that the amount of times they've seen each other is reflective or not of what they said in the car when they left for their trip? Of course, we should ignore that there's an entire life outside of what we see.

And that's the thing, you know? We all supposedly agree that they actually share little of their lives with their fans, but practically? The fandom doesn't really give a shit. Because of the classic parasocial relationship we have developed that makes us believe we know everything there is to know.

What we are allowed to see and what we hear from whispers here and there should allow us to realize that no theory over a supposed relationship is better than the other. Believing they are just friends, that they have broken up, that they are fwb and so on is in no way more rational that believing they are together.

What does this mean? If none of us are wiser? It means we have a choice. Some are choosing to be losers or little bitches crying in anon asks about their "insecurities" over a ship. Some are choosing to look at this ship as a duo that includes two people who have really good chemistry and who match each other's freak.

I've always been in the latter category, I thought that was obvious and I've said it before. If one day Jimin makes a public statement that he's marrying the love of his life, a sweet girl that is also the mother of his 5 secret children, then so be it. And if one day, Jungkook shows up one day after he decided to run away and join a bike gang where he met his boyfriend, then so be it. If somehow that next day, a jikook clip would turn up on my tl in which Jimin is brushing his teeth while straddling Jungkook, my reaction would be "well, jikook fuck. Often". You know why? Because for me, the public life of stars and what they choose to share is entertainment. A travel show, a wlive, concerts, these are all forms of entertainment. I do not consume my entertainment by being a loser on the internet, pondering if my assessment over two people might be fucking is real or not or is approved by other people.

[myobsessionsspace]

Are YOU sure?!

Cos THEY’RE sure.

18 months sure.

10+ years of closeness sure.

Wanting to be in the group until their 60s sure.

Wanting to do seasons of duo travelling into their 50s sure.

They’re sure. Point Blank Period.

[bangtanhoesthings]

I think it’s finally time for me to log off all my socials for a while. I’ve officially run out of energy for the constant stalking, the tinfoil-hat theories, and the general inability to just let things be.

And the final straw?

Oh, just a casual post from an “ARMY” declaring that the Jikook videos must obviously be filmed by staff because, wait for it, the audio is 'too clear'. Yup. The biggest problem is not that the boys are clearly being stalked and that their safety is at risk. Nope. Apparently, Hybe is simply pushing their Jikook agenda. Another brought up the leaked yacht jikook video and how it was also probably staff despite it being confirmed that the captain filmed it. What's one more conspiracy, huh? 🤔

Then I stumbled on someone lamenting that we might get a Jikook subunit before a Taekook one. And the quotes and replies? A whole meltdown. Like, are y’all okay? Blink twice if you’ve touched grass in the last six months. I would worship Bighit if we ever get a Taekook subunit, because I love Tae's voice and it would blend beautifully with Kookie's especially his runs but why make it seem like a jikook subunit is part of a coded anti-Taekook scheme?

What pisses me off more? These conversations are happening not in shipper spaces, by ARMY.

If you truly believe that in 2025, a publicly traded company is strategically promoting one ship while suppressing another like it’s some Cold War psyop , go off I guess. I sincerely wish you well on your fanfiction fueled journey. I, however, am tired. Y’all go ahead. I’m out.

I'll see y'all when I see y'all.

[taehyungfirst]

https://x.com/SnipeForV/status/1821716667816173799

I knew this is what these assholes will say as soon as I saw the he insisted part

There’s one thing I don’t understand, Taehyung can’t join them in Jeju but Jikook can spend all episode one talking about Taehyung and bringing up his name everytime they were not talking about the only topic they had (food)?

They have bigger things to worry about, like for example Jimin and Jungkook saying that even when they were free they never met or called each other 🤷🏻‍♀️ Needed a show to meet after months but you’re on twitter worrying that Tae wanted to go to Jeju when both of your favs can’t go one hour without missing him.

[stormblessed95]

I think 2023 jikook closeness is gonna go down as a Schrödinger cat lol. Only JM and JK are gonna know the veracity of what happened and their feelings about it. So we all just be speculating. For instance, one might think that jikook didn’t see or talk or hang out before AYS based off of one comment that was filled with contradictions, and I on the other hand may think that to have recorded Letter, plan and come up with ideas for AYS, probably involved some chatting. Conversations about something serious like enlistment probably took longer than the few weeks after AYS.

It’s like people don’t have object permanence. It only exists if it is shown - wouldn’t have know vmin hung out that one evening if Tae didn’t go live. People were thinking vmin didn’t talk in 2023 only for Jimin to say they video call every few weeks. Jikook didn’t see each other or speak for all of 2023 until we get stories that they did.

... You know what. I'm TOTALLY fine if people want to make this their Schrodinger's cat actually. As long as they stop trying to make me take care of their damn cat for them. Lol just leave me out of it and think whatever you want 😂

People not having object permanence is probably my most used phrase on this blog.

[heartofbusan]

His nails have never been this long 🤔🤔🤔

I need a smoke.. 🚶‍♂️🚶‍♂️🚶‍♂️

[nikonladyz4]

I enjoy reading posts from years ago that support the beginning of Jikook’s relationship.

The Beginning of Jikook? (Publicly...)

I had a revelation last night while I was doing research for my Jikook Timeline, and I have never in my months on Jikook twitter/tumblr ever seen anyone talk about this. I don’t know if it’s a new discovery or something people just haven’t connected the dots publicly before, but I can’t keep quiet about it. 

I’ll start with the background events, so you have context into what the members were going through, then I’ll present what I’ve found, then I’ll tell you what I think about all of it. Even if you don’t necessarily believe there’s anything more than friends going on between Jikook, just read what I wrote, and then think about it. I won’t try to convince you of anything. I’m honestly really shocked about what I’ve found. I’m the type of person to always err on the side of caution, especially with matters of real people, so I want to affirm that nothing is real until they tell us it is. That being said, this twitter interaction I found doesn’t seem to have a platonic explanation. So let’s get started!

Background: 

August 2015. BTS is in the middle of an International tour; The Red Bullet Part 2. 

On August 18, during the Osaka leg of their tour, Jimin had a fainting incident, and ended up being sent to the hospital. He was unable to perform that night. It was a very traumatic event for members and ARMY alike. ARMYs reported that Jungkook was crying during the performance.

On August 20, during Jimin’s first performance back since the incident, a really meaningful interaction took place between Jimin and Jungkook, caught on camera.

Jungkook directly sang him romantic lyrics, and Jimin couldn’t keep himself from grinning for the rest of the performance. 

Event:

August 23, Jungkook posted a song recommendation on Twitter. 

The song is entitled ‘I Will Give Everything to You" by Lee Jang Hee. Tae and JK sang this song together on a Vlive a few days prior to this Twitter post, and a kind ARMY posted a translation of the lyrics. 

“I will pick off the stars and give (them) fully to your two hands.”

At 2-3 am that night (if I am correct in my timezone conversion), Jimin posted a tweet, with no context, unprompted.

“The stars in the night sky🎶😳”

My thoughts:

First of all, I want to say that as a Jikooker, I was always a little hesitant to believe the theories that the song recommendations that Jungkook post are related to Jikook. Mostly because it can be a blurry line of overanalyzing everything a person does to have it fit into your ship. However, this post makes me kind of question that. 

It seems like Jimin’s tweet was in direct response to JK’s song recommendation, and… well, it includes a blushing emoji. 

I think at the time of the boys tweeting this, the connection may not have been made my ARMY because at that point, there hadn’t really been any ‘suspicious’ occurrences between Jikook. However, in hindsight, this seemed to be a very intimate, non-platonic interaction between the two members in plain sight. And nobody questioned a thing! 

In my opinion, this is where the floodgates burst open in terms of Jimin and Jungkook’s more questionable interactions. This whole sequence events seemed to be a turning point to me.

Whether or not you ‘believe’ in the pairing is up to you, and I won’t judge you. But either way, this interaction is clearly a milestone that the Jikook fandom should be aware of!

[indigoboifics]

im a taekook author BUT i hate jikook/taekook beef...its ABSURD!! so here are some cute maknae line fanarts 🥺 💜 🐯🐰🐥

credits: pic1, pic2, pic3, pic4, pic5, pic6, pic7, pic8

[jeonscatalyst]

Many times, we talk about how so many people in this fandom refuse to acknowledge Jikook’s bond or try to undermine it…and for the most part, we’re right. We’ve witnessed this happen countless times. However, reading through the quotes and comments on this post, written by someone who clearly dislikes Jungkook yet considers themselves a fan, actually made me smile.

It’s heartwarming to see that there are still OT7 fans who genuinely recognize how close Jikook are. Even if they don’t ship them, they acknowledge their deep friendship. When I first saw this post, I assumed only Jikookers would be defending their bond (since this person falsely claimed Jungkook went alone). I also thought maybe a few OT7 fans might call out some of the other misguided statements. What I didn’t expect was to see so many OT7 fans actively defending Jikook’s bond.

This gives me hope for this fandom. It’s uplifting to see people outside of the Jikook community standing up for them together, and it fills me with happiness.

[theschizotypalsolilquy]

I hate

HATE

That I have to curate my page on tiktok to keep so many anti-shippers or delusional solo stans off my fyp. Fucking ridiculous.

And the rare RARE ot7 pages that when they do a Jimin and JK edit, they've got to put in the captions that this is not a shipping edit.

WHY DO YALL ONLY SAY IT FOR THEM BUT GUSH ABOUT MINIMONI AND YOONKOOK LOOK HOW ADORABLE THEY ARE I LOVE THEM TOGETHER YES THIS IS A SHIPPING EDIT LOOK AT THEM OMFG

Make it make sense

Math aint mathing

This gif has nothing to do with my post, but holy shit this is from Space Mutiny, and the only way to watch this trash is with Mystery Science Theater 3000. Thank me later for that. Joel was my very first official crush. I loved that stoner nerd. But I don't think this was Joel....it was what's his name...Mike!! LoL.