#programming survivor

[ghost-jester-sys]

shout out to programmed / ramcoa systems who...

- can never fully mentally mature

- were made to mature too young

- know and remember nothing or just snippets

- know and remember everything or most things

- can't currently access therapy for safety or personal reasons

- are currently in therapy

[outnumberedsins]

What "Counts" as OEA?

I saw a post that disgruntled me enough to want to talk about this, so here we are. There seems to be a heavy amount of misinformation on what "counts" as OEA, often excluding adult victims and non-programmed victims. So, within this post, we'll go over what the terms "OA, MC, and RA" mean, as well as commonly construed myths.

Organized Abuse

all-encompassing.

Organized abuse is a wide term that includes experiences of ritual abuse and mind control but is in no way exclusive to them. Often, only organized child sexual abuse is mentioned, which leaves out a lot of experiences it includes.

The most simple definition of organized abuse is "Abuse that involves a number of people doing something together in a pre-planned and/or structured way, rather than acting alone." In short terms, abuse done by multiple people in a planned way. [1]

All groups under the RAMCOA/OEA label will fall under this category. This includes, but is not limited to, Cults, Trafficking Rings, Labor Camps, "Troubled Teen" Camps, Intra-Familial Organized Abuse, and other experiences that fall under this definition. This includes victims indoctrinated into cults, trafficked, or otherwise abused as adults, as well as children born or brought into it. Location of the abuse (at home, in a church, at school, at a daycare, etc) doesn't matter, and someone does not have to go through ritual abuse or mind control to have experienced organized abuse.

Ritual Abuse

not inherently satanic.

Ritual abuse is a term often confused with SRA, or "Satanic Ritual Abuse," an outdated and often harmful label for forms of organized extreme abuse. Not all forms of organized abuse are ritual abuse.

Ritual abuse can be defined as "Abuse that occurs in a context where symbols or activities have superstitious, supernatural, or religious connotations. It is organised, often involving multiple perpetrators, and the abuse often happens as part of a rite or ceremony." Alternatively, the word 'ritual' refers to "a rite, ceremony or pseudo- religious service which involves a series of actions performed in a fixed order and/or at certain times; something that is done in the same way whenever a particular situation occurs." [1] [2]

Because of this, ritual abuse can be defined while including spiritual themes and non spiritual themes. So, many definitions include other forms of abuse that is ritualized/specifically repeated in nature, such as on a specific day or time or in a specific order.

This type of abuse is most dominated in literature by satanic overtones, once again from the term SRA. However, this is not exclusive to satanic cults. Any group based on a belief system or using other reoccurring themes/abuse can perpetrate ritual abuse. Though ritual abuse is also more commonly linked with mind control and child abuse, programming and age have no impact on if an experience is ritual abuse or not.

Survivors of ritual abuse include things like ritualistic ceremonies, games, symbols, set-ups, abuse on specific days/holidays, abuse in a specific order, etc as common experiences.

Mind Control

programming and beyond

Mind control tends to be the term that receives the most problems, as many people tend to only think of programming when hearing it. However, MC is not exclusive to programming survivors, and many types of MC have been recognized.

A good definition of MC is "Methods of thought reform to force submission or information from enemies and victims, or to indoctrinate and increase cooperation in members and captors," and is a synonym to coersive persuasion, defined as "attempts to force people to change beliefs, ideas, attitudes or behaviors using psychological pressure, undue influence, threats, anxiety, and/or intimidation." [3] [4]

Programming is an example of the far end of mind control, a severe form of conditioning. However, things such as cult and religious indoctrination, psychic driving, terrified submission, etc, are all also forms of MC that can occur within organized abuse. MC is not exclusive to child victims, as most forms of MC can be performed at any age.

Thank you for reading. If you have any questions or additions, feel free to send an ask or reply to this post. A reminder that I am not a professional, I am flawed, and I am just doing my best.

[heavens-roses]

Octocon and RAMCOA survivors

pt: octocon and RAMCOA survivors

cw: RAMCOA, number names

Felt I should share this as I haven't really seen it talked about in system or RAMCOA spaces. When you use Octocon your parts will be attached numbers to each part based off who was created first. While it's likely due to how to code the easiest. it is important to remember that if you are a survivor who has parts who were forced to be called a number, are a survivor who was called a number collectively/bodily, forced to refer to others as numbers or has any trauma related to number names please tread carefully.

I know as a survivor it can be extremely scary not being able to control your name or having anxieties related to not being called your number too. Please know you are not forced to use Octocon just because other people are using it. If plural kit or simply plural work best for you than keep using them. You do not need to switch over and risk your own mental health. Being a survivor who was dehumanized to numbers is horrible and whether you decide to reclaim your trauma or are healing by moving away from it know your triggers are valid.

Know you are never alone in healing your trauma and note this post is for education. This is not to bash in the creators of Octocon nor is it to tell you how to feel about the app/bot. At the end of the day how you find support with yourself is for only you and your system to decide. With thet being said do not interact with this post if you are pro/neu-endo / believe in any form of "plurality" outside of being trauma based. If you are a questioning system, a cdd system who is syscourse unaligned or apathetic you are more than welcome to repost and interact.

[strayk9s]

I need to ramble about this so bad!! Please be aware that this blog contains spoilers to poppy playtime chapter 4.

The way we unironically relate to chapter 4 in a different kind of level? It’s hard to explain but we kinda do. Although I’d like to talk about Doey! He’s such a system coded character and we really like how well written he is. Despite his sad story, they really show the struggle of dealing with identity after scientists basically murged the 3 kids into one dough body. Those kids are Matthew, Kevin and Jack! You can also see that on his body there are hands of different colors. Orange being Matthew, Yellow being Jack, and Red being Kevin. Throughout the game their tone of voice kinda changes and you can SORTA tell who’s talking.

You can also tell the difference in personalities too and how sometimes it feels like they’re fighting themselves. Matthew is the understanding one who’s really protective of his family, Kevin is more angry and cold, Jack is more emotional.

On another part of the game too, it’s almost like a switch front situation where there’s confusion as if one kid came out and is lost about what’s going on. And in a different part when Doey is mad at the player you can tell that the crying part could be Jack (or all of them), the anger is clearly Kevin, and Matthew is trying to remain calm. I do generally love though that again they still show that they are children dealing with this nightmare. Overall we just really relate to the identity struggle and confusion that is present in Doey’s character! Chapter 4 was really good!

Reminder we are aware Doey does not have DID/OSDD, it’s just how his character is that feels system coded but we don’t think he has either disorders.

-K9

[planesofdelusion]

programming things that suck:

programmed migraines

programmed seizures

programmed arousal

flood programs

spin programs

God, everything about being programmed is awful

[starlitvases]

I really need people to understand that when I and other systems say, "I'm grateful for my system and I'm happy that I'm a system," it does not mean that we wanted to be systems.

I never wanted to go through horrific abuse to become a system. I never wanted to be programmed to be a system. I never wanted any of that. I wanted a happy and fulfilling childhood, but I didn't have that privilege. I never did.

My system is how I survived. It's how I was able to cope and actually live and breathe. I'd be dead without my system. Do I hate how we formed? Of course, I do. Do I hate my system? Not even in my dreams.

I'm allowed to be happy as a system, especially if it's what saved me. I'm allowed to be grateful that my system kept me alive and has allowed me to begin healing. I'm allowed to have happy moments. Don't misconstrue my words, and don't belittle anyone else who shares the same sentiment.

[retiredchildsoldier]

Me when my programs I'm in denial about go off:

[scavangers-daughter]

If one more person says RAMCOA is a conspiracy theory, that my lived, VILE life altering, world-shattering, body breaking experience is a “conspiracy theory”!!!??!

Glad you have lived such a sheltered life to have the luxury of it all….

Fuck off

[pink-devolve]

One of the worst parts of being a ramcoa survivor is not having a space to talk about your story, because it’s too upsetting for other people to hear about.

Not only can I not vent about it, but I can’t even talk about the things I went through. I’ve had two therapists drop me because they couldn’t handle it. One time when I was in the hospital, my nurse started crying and had to go home for the rest of the day. One of my ex partners broke up with me because they didn’t feel comfortable being with a 🚦 survivor. And I didn’t tell any of them the heavy details of my abuse. Just me surviving something I was forced into was too much for them.

And that’s not unique, every ramcoa survivor I know that has tried to find help for their trauma has had similar experiences.

I’m lucky enough to have finally found a therapist that knows how to treat me. And a week ago I said something that had happened to me, and idk what happened. He jumped and said “oh my god” like he just watched someone get killed. He immediately apologized, but it hurt. Why did I have to go through something that is so revolting to everyone.

[divinefleshandwires]

I stared at death's door so many times I memorized every groove in its wood. I don't understand what kept me from walking through it. I guess I got lucky enough to make the right decisions. Luck played a huge part. I was lucky enough to have a home life, even with the problems I faced there. I don't think some of the others had that. I just wish there was an option for all of us to make it. It feels so unfair that I got to live.

[orderofthe-pyramids]

oh. oh thats a gravity falls au making light of programming and ramcoa abuse. the creator is making silly memes about the trauma ford went through and is comparing him to a dumb animal. ford went through ramcoa abuse in this. oh

[outnumberedsins]

Hot take, but I think the more recent OEA community very commonly forgets or excludes survivors who didn't go through severe MC or programming, despite those individuals likely being the most common victims. So, just a reminder, you don't have to be programmed to be an OA survivor.

[ghost-jester-sys]

I see many people talk about successful programming on here

And yes, that is terrifying

But I want to talk about my experience as a failed program

My name is Edie [It was changed from "Failure" by a gatekeeper in our system] Helping me write this will also be Artifice and Faelan [Both similar to me as failed programs]

For whatever reason, the "method" they used to make me form and give me a role was entirely unsuccessful. I do not want to give details on what my intended purpose was as it's highly personal and dangerous to share details of.

I was deemed useless and was then hurt by them.

Not every programming attempt will be succesful, whether this is for good or bad I'm unsure.

We have MANY successful programs and while they are both terrifying and sad, failed programs can be that as well.

Any time fronting is spent fearing my handlers, fearing what I may have done wrong or worse [Not sharing here]

Feeling like I have let people down because I didn't "correctly" respond to torture is terrifying and something I do not wish on anyone.

This post may be a bit garbled and rambly, I struggle with thinking clearly like the rest of the system but my thoughts are particularly scrambled and unclear.

A note from Artifice: I think is important for both non-programmed and programmed systems to understand that failed programs do exist and acting as if they do not harms them more

A note from Faelan: feel as much terror as programmed AND non-programmed alters in system and feels bad being stuck in a "limbo" between the two.. and feel is important that this known

~~~

A final reminder that any attempts at fakeclaiming will be blocked. Anyone who beliefs RAMCOA/TBMC to be fake will be blocked. I will not engage with discourse on this post unless it is a genuine question with good intentions. This is for my safety and because I do not owe you my life story.

[planesofdelusion]

people on fdc: you gotta trust therapists, they know more than you

DID therapists who know more than them: *engage with their clients as people, assume they're telling the truth when they disclose trauma, try to understand how their experiences shaped their systems, study neurological and psychological responses to get a picture of how certain abuser groups operate, generally practice psychological medicine well the way therapists should*

people on fdc: no, not like that. those therapists are conspiracy theorists and should never have been licensed

[requiemsystem]

PROGRAMMING VS TBMC VS CONDITIONING

TW talks of TBMC and programming so one thing i see a lot of confusion about is the difference between programming, TBMC, and conditioning, i hope this post will help clarify the difference between these conditioning is the act of getting someone accustomed to something or to behave in a specific way, this can be done accidentally or intentionally, and it can be positive or negative. this is not always done through abuse and is not always premeditated, this also does not have to be done by a group of people. an example would be if someone is rewarded every time they do a specific action, they will associate that action with getting a reward and be more likely to do it TBMC is the act of intentionally implementing cues (intentionally implemented triggers) into someone to get them to think or behave in specific ways, this is always done intentionally and is negative in nature. this is always done through abuse and is premeditated. an example would be if someone is abused while exposed to a specific phrase and forced to do a specific action, they will associate that phrase with that action and then the phrase will trigger the action to where the obvious abuse is no longer needed to cause the action programming is the act of intentionally creating dissociated states in an individual using TBMC, this is always premeditated and done intentionally. it is always done negatively, and it has to be done by a group due to the organized nature, there need to be multiple people to reinforce the cues. these states will be used as "blank slates" to instill TBMC responses into and get to behave in certain ways, there may be certain cues that are intended to bring out specific states (alters). not all programmers know they are causing DIDOSDD, they just recognize dissociative responses and use these for their own benefit - grey

[retiredchildsoldier]

Me after turning off depression programs making my old favorite food suddenly taste good again