#replying clarifying trying

[soft-pine]

hey i really appreciate the time you took looking over my notes and especially the things you pointed out that i'd missed. i just wrote another post where i talked about how this needs methodology for sure and will be working on having a list of criteria/protocol. in terms of peer review, the best i can offer is that my document says it's open to feedback and that i want people to help me add stuff i missed or miscategorized! every time i've posted this, i've gotten a few corrections and i deeply appreciate that! for instance, i added sam staying with jack from 14.08! thanks for that. i also added sam tring to find other options in 14.20! i did have cas talking kindly to jack in 14.20 but i would have added it if i hadn't!

but not to be annoying but dean doesn't get "good" credit for pointing the gun at jack.... he gets credit specifically for refusing chuck's offer of mary's life for jack's.

i'm having a little trouble parsing the paragraph before your list and quite what you mean i'm missing there... and i welcome clarification!

i'm not sure what you want me to do about 15.17 cause the tab that addresses dean & sam's patterns of physical violence / altercations is called "anger" and it's just not what i was keeping track of in "parenting jack".

[spicyboelives]

happy pride to Skysolo enjoyers

[yinyuedijun]

hi guys !! just wanted to let everyone know that I don't post trauma dumping asks as a rule because I don't want to expose my followers to anything potentially triggering outside my writing or others' writing (which I can keep under control using read mores and warning labels/tags etc). but if you just sent me an ask detailing your personal issues, please know that I have read it and am sending you lots of love. I hope that life will start being kind to you soon!! and I hope that my blog can spark some joy for you while things are tough!!

[enden-k]

i wanted to ask, but would you ever do likewise with furry wise?? i think it'd be so cute if he was like a fox or cat or something huhuhu

someone suggested lycawise w bunny thiren wise on my other blog (makes sense bc the bangboos), i could draw smth small for here too or him as smth else 0:

(makes me want to draw them in all ways akjbcsk human wise/thiren lycaon, human wise/human lycaon, thiren wise/thiren lycaon, thiren wise/human lycaon-)

[milkamel]

I just like NEED to know…

How many asks do you have?

Haha..ha..uhm

[onboardsorasora]

Ripe Cherries Bestie, beloved I gotchu

so! this does get explained a little more in ch5 but I don't want to leave you confused and upset, much less for a whole week. My bad for not being clearer <3 Also will try to do this without spoiling anything from ch5 lol

I guess from Daniel's pov, it would be that he left from watching Max and his knights train and met up with the knight (Scotty). Which is why he's still in his yellow dress and finery. The sword is a gift he is receiving.

As to why he was testing it out, that's because [heavily redacted] and [redacted]. I hope that makes sense!

Max went down there because he caught Daniel's scent in the hallway. He doesn't know its Daniel's scent and he's attracted to it and at least wants to know who it was that smelled so lovely to him. Remember, he's only seen Daniel fleetingly so far and always in a group of people so he doesn't know what he smells like (he'd have found that out if he went on that stroll so he has no one to blame but himself ... but I digress)

So he follows the scent but then his interest is piqued by what he knew to be the sound of a blade. That's confusing to him because the scent and that sound shouldn't be so close together. then Michelle yells and so now they're thinking someone is being attacked. because y'know, sword being drawn n all. And they rush down there.

He takes the sword cause well, Daniel told him he can fight and Max believes him. and that belief is confirmed with how he sees that Daniel is handling the sword and how he moves with it (like someone whose been trained).

And then of course we have the whole fact that Max is realizing that the scent he's so attracted to is Daniel's so like his competency kink alarm is going off.

for *waves hands* plot reasons for modesty and edging everyone involved, it is unbecoming for them to touch each other. More on that later so Max decides to scent Daniel indirectly, by having their scents enmesh on Daniel's new sword.

Once again, 1) the scent he loves and wants to fuck 2) the omega that's gonna be his wife and he wants to fuck 3) omega he wants to fuck being competent with a sword, things he also wants to-- ok he doesn't want to fuck the sword but you get the point.

Then at the end of it all.... Max just says fuck it and kisses Daniel's hand because he's a fucking prince and that his future omega so who's gonna stop him? plus theyre in a room full of people so theres witnesses if someone wanted to like call Daniel's virtue in question or whatever,

I hope this helps!!

[thelilylav]

Crashed out about the Prime Minister calling a snap election in the reblogs and ended up getting blocked LMAOOO

[soft-pine]

jack

hello. this is in part a reply to "not ghost anon" from a few days ago and in part a reply to someone on twitter and in part just something i have been meaning to say for a long time. but the nuance here matters a lot and i've been wary of attempting something so delicate. but i don't want to make claims that I can't articulate and back up so here we go.

i think the vast majority of issues around jack come from very different fundamental understandings of who and what he is. and i think this issue comes from inconsistent narrative in a way that i really don't usually complain about on spn which contributes to why i'm hesitant to talk about it. because i LIKE canon. i consider very very very little of the show ooc so it bums me out a little not to be able to do a fully consistent reading of jack's characterization. (the other issues with jack's arcs are people not watching the whole show, relying on fanon, and just wanting to villainize dean. but i'm not addressing those here.)

so what do i mean about who and what jack is? well, a lot of people read jack as just a kid in an adult's body - essentially a two/three year old child. and look, if that's your read of him, that's fine. and if that is the case, of course dean was wildly out of line in almost every interaction with him. of course dean's behavior was abusive. if you see jack that way, i'm really not trying to argue with you. and we can happily end all conversations here.

however, if we do keep talking, i would say i don't read him that way because i think there is enough data and messiness in canon to trouble that simple a reading of jack - and the moral implications that go along with it.

to me this boils down to two things to examine the implications of: 1. jack's own actions and, 2. the way all other characters treat him.

jack begins acting before he's born. in 12.19, he stops kelly from killing herself. at the time, cas tells her, "what your child did, that's a testament to his power, but it's not proof of some goodness. he needs you alive." it's never revealed if jack knew what he was doing in that moment or simply had enough power and life instinct to react. but he did act.

along those lines, one thing that always frustrates me is that kelly and cas' visions are never circled back to. what did they see in 12.19 that made them both so adamant that jack be born with his powers and who is responsible? the indication we get from the script is that the visions were specific (at least to cas) in a way that implies telepathic access to and an advanced understanding of who he is, who he cares about, and what he wants. dean describes seeing cas effected by the vision as cas being "sock-puppeted" and that it made it so dean "did not recognize the guy staring back at [him]" (12.20). (while i personally theorize that chuck is responsible for those), the show never gives us much more than the concerning implication that it's jack.

in 13.01, jack says, "my mother, she said castiel, he would keep me safe. she said the world was a dangerous place. that's - that's why i couldn't be a baby or a child. i… that's why i had to grow up fast. that's why i chose him to be my father." now there's a lot to unpack from this. off the top, we learn that pre-birth, jack was able to understand and act out things based on what his mother believed and/or communicated to him. he understood enough of her thoughts and feelings, for example, to choose cas as his father. he also understood enough of her concerns about the world, to chose to be born as the young adult he appears as. it's clear from kelly and cas' preparations for him in 12.23, that she was expecting a baby but jack choses to be born more grown up.

we have two other examples in supernatural of beings that grew up exceptionally fast: emma and amara. emma was born and grew up into a teenager in the span of a few days but when she encounters sam & dean, she has the maturity (for lack of a better word) of the age person she appears to be. she speaks and thinks and acts like a teenager, not a newborn baby. amara, on the other hand, took longer to grow up in the body she chose but though she was a being who existed before time, she took on the characteristics of the ages she appeared to be up to and including when she became a full adult. the common thread here though is despite the speed at which they aged, they both did fully grow up in that time.

that doesn't mean that is necessarily what happened to jack. but it does seem for the most part to be how the show, and all the people around him, and he himself acts.

whatever criticisms you might have about dean not treating jack like a kid, it's always been a bit of an annoyance of mine when other people's actions are ignored or minimized. for example, sam, mary, cas, and au bobby all encourage jack to go on hunts and to train (both with his powers and without them after lucifer takes his grace). sam is consistently more supportive of jack hunting than dean is. (not to harp on my notes document but the "Parenting Jack" and "Others Hunting" tabs both have relevant numbers about where pressure and approval is coming from in terms of Jack hunting and Dean, out of all Jack's dad's, does the least. I'm totally open to things I've missed so do let me know but...). mary and au bobby go farther than that and in fact let jack guide many of their missions and troop movements in apocalypse world (13.20). (personally that always sticks out to me as one of the most concerning issues because even if jack fully is the maturity of the age he appears, he should not be put in that position at all.) in 13.23, it's sam that prays to jack to come save them from apocalypse world michael. and it's cas who instructs jack to keep his deal with the empty secret from sam and dean (14.09).

jack himself doesn't act like a toddler and specifically rejects being babied. in 13.02, he picks up a beer and drinks it confidently. in 14.06 he asks for advice on having sex. he consistently wants to hunt and in apocalypse world, fight.

now i'm not saying you have to accept all of the above as okay. it's pretty common for kids to want to do things they aren't ready for. but everyone in his life - from cas to sam to mary to dean to au bobby treated jack as though he's a young adult, old enough to hunt and make his own choices. i am wary of people who pick and choose who to blame in that regard.

next i want to dig into something even more unfortunately controversial perhaps. jack is powerful and that power is dangerous. his birth killed kelly (it's unclear how much control he did or didn't have over that but his actions resulted in her dying not when she chose to kill them both but only after he was born with all his powers). he opened a rift to another dimension before he was born. in 13.01 and 02 he involuntarily throws many people across rooms.

he didn't mean to hurt any of them, of course, but his attitude about these events troubles me. in 13.04 he says to mia, "it’s just, i… i’ve hurt people. i didn’t mean to. it was an accident. and i know i should feel bad, and i say i feel bad, but most of the time, i mostly… i don’t feel anything."

the culmination of his early struggles with his powers is accidentally killing someone in 13.06. rather than staying in the care and comfort offered by cas, dean, and sam, he intentionally throws them down while he flies away where he promptly pressures both derek and kaia into dreamwalking for him in a way that is painful and risky to them both. both of these actions strike me as a concerning shift into understanding how to use his powers and then choosing to exert that power over other people. his intentions may be good in that he wants to try to save mary but the way he goes about it doesn't sit right with me. (i also feel the need to point out the person who has been consistently urging (and on at least one occasion pressuring (13.03) jack to learn to use his powers to open the rift is sam.)

additionally concerning to me is the way jack attacks and nearly kills nate, the clerk, in 13.23 when he believes nate killed maggie. (some people may also criticize dean for shooting jack here. and if they do, i hope they can understand 1. it didn't hurt jack, only stopped him from killing nate and 2. sam tases jack in 13.01)

this brings us back to dean's much-critiqued comment in 13.02.: "if i’m right… and it comes to killing you… i'll be the one to do it." do i think that's a shitty thing to say, yes. do i think jack found it upsetting and scary, yes. do i think there was a much better way to articulate deans concerns, yes. do i wish that dean had been kinder to jack in those early days in general, yes.

but dean just is right that jack is powerful and that it has always been dean's job to try to hold powerful beings to account for their actions.

not to get too in the weeds into dean's perspective here but i want to remind people that dean's very recent previous experience with a being similar to jack was amara who did control dean in ways reminiscent of how jack seemed to control cas and kelly (which resulted in both their deaths). to act like dean shouldn't have taken the circumstances around jack's birth and the things jack had already done and shown himself capable of doing into account strikes me as unfair and unrealistic.

i understand what i'm saying is kind of a process critique but it matters. it matters because people claim that dean threatens jack that he'll kill him multiple times in those early days and that just isn't true. it matters because there is a difference in saying you will kill someone out of anger or revenge and telling someone with power that if they start harming people with it, you will be the one to stop them. it matters because dean literally cannot kill jack. he had no way to do so as it's clearly demonstrated in 13.01 that angel blades don't work. i'm not saying it's an empty threat or wouldn't be scary and affecting to hear or that dean didn't say to sam that he wanted to find a way to be able to kill jack. but when they have this conversation, jack is more materially powerful than dean.

i really understand why people are upset with what dean said but if we're gonna talk about it, i want to talk about what actually happened.

(i bring up anger or revenge because of 14.20 which i'm not gonna go deep into because it has been litigated to death. but just a brief reminder that jack was a) soulless, b) changing the fabric of the world, and c) indiscriminately killing people at the angel's command. and dean chose to try to kill him not out of vengeance but because god told him jack would literally destroy the world. (and killing jack will kill dean too which i feel like we dont talk about a lot))

the moral implications of jack being soulless is another whole can of worms (and i'll do another post on it if needs must) but it is at least clear from both sam and dean's past actions that stopping someone who has lost their soul and sense of morality from harming people is sometimes worth risking their life for (specifically i'm thinking of 6.11 and 10.03).

in conclusion, i think jack is a young person. he is a new creature with his own set of rules and ways of being in the complex supernatural universe. and i think he deserves to be treated with care, safety, respect, and accountability - as do we all!! but treating him as though he really is just a human toddler in a human adult's body flattens too much of the narrative for me to accept that reading.

i hope this has made some sense and registers as fair. i don't bring up the above examples of other people's behavior to bash them but to show that if the standard we're holding dean to is not treating jack like a toddler, then everyone else, including cas, falls deeply short as well. and i'm sick of having conversations with people who demand i take dean's actions deeply seriously and no one else's.

i must admit that looking at all the information about who and what jack is makes me a little dizzy and of course i wish it were simpler. i wish he got to be just a little kid and could be treated as just a little kid. but i can't assent to claims that penalize dean for not existing in a reality which simply doesn't exist.

ultimately my issues with jack's mistreatment are focused on chuck and the narrative at large. i think it's tragic in a show which has already established that hunters don't get to be kids and that sam & dean were both forced to grow up too quickly, that jack experiences that so acutely. and it's tragic that the show concludes with him taking on all the burdens of godhood. i feel like that reaffirms something hopeless and dark about the universe.

if you've stuck around this long, thanks for reading! i really am open to feedback and critique but i really don't want to be yelled at as though i'm being glib when i find all of this deeply agonizing.

[milfbrainrot]

online friendships really are so fucky with how black and white they can be. like irl you can kinda tell if someone's not interested anymore by how they're acting or if they don't show up to things or whatever and things fizzle out, but with online stuff there's always this gut-punch fall off where you have to realize "oh i haven't seen this person around in a while" and then go check and realize oops they unfollowed me oops they made the concrete decision to silently leave a shared chat oops they blocked me, etc.

like you can still get certain indicators online but it feels like you get these very harsh reality checks that a friendship is over that you have to clue yourself into assuming there wasn't a huge argument or other communication. and part of me does typically come to the conclusion of "well if there was no communication then it probably wasn't a good/real friendship anyway" but it does kind of drive me insane and make me hypervigilant in very unhealthy ways.

[evermoredeluxe]

i feel like there are some people that expect her to solve every single issue in the world and it isn’t different this AI thing

the amount of consistent pressure on her is wild 🏃‍♀️

[queer-reader-07]

i love when people seemingly do everything in their power to interpret what you’re saying in the most bad faith way possible. it’s so fun and nice. (sarcasm)

[fennthetalkingdog]

Man, my ears occasionally do some weird things and I'm not sure yet whether it's some form of auditory processing problem or my hearing giving out

[naomiknight-17]

I get caught in stupid arguments not because I am trying to be right, but because I am trying to be UNDERSTOOD

Maybe I don't word things perfectly all the time because I am not a debate professional of any kind and sometimes I'm stupid and I say controversial things when I am too tired or stressed to do so clearly

But there are times when someone criticizes what I say and I go "Oh no, I meant X" and they're like, oh okay cool!

And then there are times when someone criticizes what I say and I go "Oh no, I meant X" And they go "No you DIDN'T because you said Y! And therefore you are bad!"

And I really need to learn to recognize when I am in the second situation, stop trying to explain myself, and walk the fuck away

[harteofthehart-ayyy]

Only if you want me to be making fun of you 💖

(@is-this-pokemon-photo-cute)

[sabraeal]

I have a question based on my reread of Seven Suitors: Why did you pick those particular characters (Yuuta, Katashi, Aoi, Kai, Raj, and Makiri as well as Obi) to be Shirayuki's Suitors? A second would be what are the reasons and the particular qualities of Shirayuki's did they choose to court her?

I actually answer everything about my suitor selection here, plus have pictures of the original notes!

[weedstop]

This dude wandering onto my post and acting like i’m brand new lmao what’s going on here