#save me twissy save me...

[minorheroics]

i am soooo normal about them. and i am so not ready to go through season 10 again

[terranceholdsapencil]

Twissy nation this one is for us

Closeups and some other stuff under the cut

[molloyism]

felt silly so! twissy aesthetic mood board

@thoschyuri womp

[celestial-hieroglyph]

come back to me.......

[tonsillessscum]

Like, I know 12 shot The General, (which is very against their wobbly moral code) but it didn’t have that big of an impact bc they just regenerated. However, even if The General had been a mortal human with only one life, I 100% believe he would’ve shot them and a million more people, if it meant saving Clara.

the thing about Twelve/Clara is that the chemistry is so intense. sometimes it's sweet and tender and "daft old man" and "when do i not see you?" but most of the time it's painful and passionate and "i am owed" and "do you think that i care for you so little that betraying me would make a difference?" and heaven sent/hell bent suicide/destruction to save each other.

[cosmicbrainrot]

The Master’s eyes in the Timeless Child will forever haunt me. He had been crying. He knew that the Doctor would never forgive him for what he did. This is not TenSimm or Twissy.

So he took the final thing the Doctor had to cling to, her identity, her memories, the saving of her home planet. The last remaining shred of their relationship he took away, he made himself the villain again. And he cried.

He cannot bear that the Doctor made him what he is not because he hates that idea but because they’re not the same anymore. She’s different than him.

For centuries he took comfort in knowing they were two sides of the same coin. Not anymore. She’s “so much more” than him.

That’s why later he wanted to become her. I think he’s always wanted to be the Doctor. Maybe it’s a nod to Torvic, how the Doctor changed their paths. Maybe it’s pure obsession. Maybe a bit of both.

Because if you can’t be with your ex you become them. Right Doctor?

[cas-is-queer]

guys i fucked up. @codex-arcene you sent me an ask and I was trying to reply but my hand fuckin bumped the post button when I was moving my phone and I wasn't done writing yet so I panicked and deleted the post, but that also deleted your ask. I'm just gonna copy it all here.

So anyways Arcene asked about my wips, and if I had any Doctor Who ones in the works.

This is a large can of worms, so get ready. I've got at least five thoschei wips right now. I have two more instalements in my Doctor Falls au. The first part is done and on ao3, but there's so much more I want to do with it.

I've got one that's a little all over the place right now, but it's twissy hurt/comfort with HEAVY angst that takes place in the few weeks when they're all stuck on the cyberman ship in World Enough and Time/The Doctor Falls. It ends with Missy's death, but for angst reasons the Doctor is able to get to her but not in time to save her, and she dies in his arms Last of the Timelords style. I know that Missy canonically (obviously) is able to figure out a way to survive that laser, but I wanted to explore what would've happened if she didn't.

I've got one where the Doctor dies. Uh. No real explanation for that one. He dies, and Missy loses it. It's not pretty. It's really sad.

I've got a multi-era one that's mostly about 13. Her and Yaz get thrown back into the Doctor's timestream, basically allowing me to force 13 to tell Yaz about her past. The two of them get to inteact with most if not all of the Doctor/companion pairs, and 13 gets to see her past friends again, including Rose, Donna, Amy, Bill, etc. Mostly about the Doctor getting to see the people she's lost just one more time.

I've got a twissy slowdancing fic that I don't love that much but is technically finished. It's not great, and I really need to rewrite it.

Outside of Doctor Who, I've got two Lokius fics I'm working on. I've got the classic 'the show forgot loki is a jotunn and I'm using that for hurt/comfort purposes' and one based on that post I made a bit ago ( X ) but with a very angsty beginning.

Thanks for the ask, Arcene! Even tho I fucked it up lol

[cosmik-homo]

37 + the eighteenth doctor?

Oh my god. for the first longest moment I thought it was Sharpest Lives, MCR, which. Is such a thoschei song for me- mostly Twissy, but honestly All Of The Them-

but I miscounted. 37 is Everybody's Changing by Keane. Thats, so specifically, painfully Eighteen, and I never thought about it- I am actually so distraught, I listened to it twice and paced my kitchen. Like. How are the ghost allegations treating you, Ma'am Eighteenth Doctor? "I need you here. Sometimes I think those bits of me in your memories are the only ones left." SHES CHANGING AND SHE DOESNT KNOW INTO WHAT, WHATS THE NEXT THING SHE WILL BE- not anything as paltry as a regeneration, but a meaning. Trying to remember the Name Of The Doctor as a promise, but for that she'll have to stay awake long enough to save anyone, and she's tired and hurting and - she doesn't feel the same . . . ..

[vicquemares]

Ohhhh twissy...save me old man yuri >_<

[the-immortal-redshirt]

The Graveyard Shift: Chapter 33: The Savior

After a failed execution for a murder he did not commit, Clara Oswald and Missy must team up to prove the Doctor's innocence before the authorities discover their mistake. (Mostly Whouffaldi, some Twissy. Takes place between Last Christmas and Magician's Apprentice)(Rated T for Graphic Violence, Suggestive Scenes)

Read it on AO3

Read it on ff.net

Chapter 33: The Savior

The judge reluctantly met the eyes of the Architect and then the Doctor. He huffed, a deep exhale that did nothing to disguise his annoyance. “The Doctor has my full pardon. Officers,” he ordered the group of policemen on the sideline, “release this man from his bonds.”

The officer holding Clara back finally let her go. Immediately, she ran to the front, weaving through citizens, Judoon troops, and Kapponian cops. “Doctor!” she cried.

Officer Drychek proudly stepped behind the Doctor, unlocking his handcuffs. Relief washed over him like a splash of cold water. Clara had actually done it. She had saved the Doctor.

Heavily, the metal bands fell to the ground. With the post no longer holding him up, the Doctor began to slump towards the ground.

Pushing past the firing squad and dodging the frozen laser beams, Clara arrived at the front. Reaching out, she caught him by the shoulders. Gathering him into her arms, she hugged him hard, squeezing him tight enough to ache.

“Doctor, it's over. It's all over.” Clara sobbed, unable to hold back her joyful tears any longer. “We've won.”

“Clara…” he breathed, still trembling. His legs quivered like jelly beneath him. He had come so close to death again. Shakily, he returned the hug, feeling her single heart thump excitedly against his own.

“My Clara,” he broke, holding the back of her head tenderly. “I thought I'd lost you again.”

“I'm here, Doctor. I'm right here,” she soothed, rubbing circles into his back.

“I’m free?” he questioned in a breathless voice, afraid of the answer. “I’m safe?”

“Yes,” Clara nodded into his shoulder, tears wetting his orange jumpsuit. “You’re safe. It’s over.”

As if a weight had been lifted off his shoulders, he collapsed into the hug. Bonelessly, he sank to his knees, taking her with him as he did. He groaned in relief, the knot in his stomach starting to unravel. The adrenaline coursing through his veins finally began to wane.

Breaking the hug, Clara looked him straight in the eyes. “Doctor, did you mean what you said?” she asked in a serious tone. Words said under duress were not always true. “Your last words?”

He nodded. “I always mean what I say,” he affirmed, the words rumbling deep in his chest. His senses returning to him, he tenderly brushed a lock of hair behind her ear. She had saved his life again, his guardian angel. In that moment, he knew he could never let her go.

“I love you, Clara, my Impossible Girl. I want to travel the stars with you forever,” he confessed around the lump in his throat, “if you'll have me.”

“Oh, Doctor,” she choked, strangled by happy tears. “Of course I'll have you. I meant what I said too–”

Before the sentence finished, the Doctor hooked a hand behind her neck and pulled her towards himself. A noise of surprise halfway out of her throat, it was silenced by his lips pressing against her own. Instantly, she melted into his touch, kissing back hard to match his intensity. His hearts fluttered madly in his chest but held steady.

Behind them, the crowd whooped and cheered. The only thing they loved more than an execution was a happy ending.

[celestial-hieroglyph]

save me evil wives...... evil wives save me

anyways here's villain couple twissy au where these two are evil doing evil stuff everywhere they go and are unstoppable i will come up with more

[timimnie]

Save me twissy

[littlest-nightingale]

Twissy agere save me. Save me twissy agere

[rearranging-deck-chairs]

every now and then i wonder if the doctor and the master have ever on screen commented on each other's appearance. i could easily have forgotten an instance (because it doesnt fit my interpretation of them so i mightve just Ignored) and i havent seen much of classic who, but to my knowledge they dont generally do that. the doctor comments on their own new (or old) appearances, and companions do sometimes, but as far as i can remember they dont comment on each other. which makes sense to me, because as is your point, they dont see a difference, really. (i think timelords recognise each other by like,,,time fingerprint. biodata. that weird glowy stringy stuff thats there in like name of the doctor or end of time 1. i dont think faces mean much of anything to timelords in terms of identifying a person) (i also think on gallifrey, with their anti-body anti-mortality taboos, it would be super rude to comment on it) (which would make the doctor and the master actually more likely to do it than real timelords, especially with each other, but i dont think they do much in canon) (maybe it's just too mutually-assured-destruction embarassing; dhawan looking 13 up and down: alright, copycat. 13: sure and you just ended up matching accents with me again by accident, right?)

so i agree with you on that interpretation of thoschei (and i block everyone saying opinions i find annoying so in my world the majority of people agree with you here) (because the whole "friendship older than your civilisation and infinitely more complex" thing is so much of the interest, right? you cant get this with a mortal ship. or a show thats less old. the older it gets the more interesting they get) but i dont look at episodes the same way you do. which we've talked about before. i like the doctor falls (i can see why you dont), and i also like power of the doctor (but i dont think i know your thoughts abt that one in depth? dont think we've talked about it but i can extrapolate a little from this post)

i think instead of seeing (the writing of) potd as underlining this illusion of separateness as you call it, that took root so to speak in the doctor falls, i see two separate stories. related ones, obviously; you cant have spydoc without twissy (or vice versa, depending on your inclinations. i think both missy->dhawan and dhawan->missy have their potential to play with, but i tend to go with missy->dhawan) but there are two different writers telling two separate-but-connected stories. i just dont see that favoritism youre talking about. among fans (because i block) or in the episodes i watch.

generally i do also have a master-bias when it comes to their relationship. i will for example subscribe to your word choice here: "the version of you that I could control save." i find the master as the doctor's first patient an enticing idea both in terms of the sort of skewed power/control dynamic of the doctor wanting to cure/control/save the master, and as a dynamic between equals / a more generous framing of the doctor because i think the doctor means well (but road to hell etc) and because i think the master wants their care. (not that that means that like just bc they want it it's fine to control them, but just saying i think the master seeks it) care is attention. if they cant have their care they'll get it in other ways, but they want it. obviously care is a complicated form of attention because you are inherently making yourself vulnerable. you need to hand over the power. theres a friction there that im sure you know is really fun to play with with the master. their needs for independence&care go side by side with how much they resent how much they love the doctor. their need to be in control serving this sort of hollow substitute for their need to be loved. which maybe worked for a while but evidently it's not enough anymore which is why missy decided to do what she did with the vault. and why dhawan is the way he is. he seems to be begging for love even more than when missy said "i need my friend back". that was a need fairly rationally expressed. this: "you'll get used to me. everyone will. i still need a companion to ask and bask in my brilliance. come on, yaz, lets go on an adventure!" is grasping at straws.

but i was trying to say something about their dynamic as the doctor being the one in control vs their dynamic as equals, which i think exist simultaneously, swinging sometimes more one way, sometimes more the other, with vault times being a lot more the doctor in control, but (the point im trying to make:) 13s era being a lot more equals i think. it's the traumatised fighting the traumatised. they both have knives in their back. theyre both acting irrationally, emotionally, and they both have not been making right decisions since they regenerated.

to me, what thoschei is in their most recent variation (and yaz too. i wont bring her into this bc it's not the point but like,,, spydoc=thasmin in terms of parallels. yaz here has a position similar to clara's between twissy), is a study in self-destruction. thats what theyre both (all) doing. theres a red thread of suicide, self-annihilation, self-effacement, self-denial, self-deception. 13 from s12 on is continuously making choices that are bad for her and the people around her (isolating, not trusting friends, self-medicating with ginger, not doing the brave&loving doctor-y (and in this context thus meant to be correct, i think) thing yaz asks of her) shes angry, shes emotional, she makes mistakes, she fails to be The Doctor, which is why yaz has to step up and do it. similarly the master's plans are just really convoluted suicide attempts. the first one in timeless children a recreation of the doctor falls. and when that one fails the one in potd is even more extreme and beyond just dying hes trying to erase himself. he says thats what hes doing to the doctor, erasing them from existence, but really if he becomes the doctor, then it's both, isnt it? if he becomes the doctor then there is no master. hes trying to unexist himself.

and this theme to me is what "you gambled and you lost" is about. addiction. self-destructive habits. i think what the doctor is expressing here toward the master is similar to what yaz means when she goes "yeah. of course" all resigned when the doctor says "thats what my life is". yaz hears the doctor say she cant make an emotional connection, she cant trust, shes too hurt. and yaz reminds her like, hey you know the doctor would do the brave thing, which is the thing thats hard and painful but worth it. and the doctor refuses. the doctor says no. shes not gonna do it. she doesnt feel able to do it. and yaz lets it go. says okay we'll be friends.

the master doesnt say "this is what my life is", but hes shown it. to the doctor hes shown it. she doesnt know what missy did in the doctor falls (things would probably have been different if she did) so to the doctor what the master has shown to her is that theyre not gonna change. wont or cant is the same thing here. for them both. they wont change. they cant change. theyre stuck in their, azure voice: constant destructive loop.

13 doesnt get out of this. neither does the master, i mean hes not even the hero, why would he? but not even the hero gets out of this in 13s story. they both self-destruct. we watch them both self-destruct. (if you ask me, we watch yaz do it too, or at least we get a glimpse of it at the end, "of course shes okay, shes the doctor") both the doctor and yaz tried to help the person they loved, held out a hand in friendship to the master and 13 respectively. and both the doctor and yaz finally had to decide that you can lead a horse to water but you cant make it drink, you know?

so thats my take on it. if she still believes missy betrayed her in the doctor falls (which i think she does), then she doesnt think missy/the master ever really was willing to change and be friends. i agree with you that theres also a factor of she needs to stop caring to survive at this point, but i dont think that necessarily means she sees the master as someone entirely divorced from missy? i dont think she does. i think it's more likely she still thinks she let herself be fooled for 70 years by hope. hope of friendship making her extend trust to someone who couldnt be trusted. and i think thats a big part of why 13 never managed to really trust her friends. especially because the master literally did this to her again in spyfall? pretending to be her friend for what might have been actual years. she cant trust her own assessment of people anymore, especially her friends, and she cant trust her own hope. and thats really tragic.

Quickfire hot take but, even though I totally grasp each of us having favorite regens of the doctor and the master, both individually and together, as symbols of their ever-evolving positions along their personal and relationship journey.... I will never ever understand fan (or canon...) portrayals that draw such a sharp line of favoritism from the characters themselves.

Missy said "they're all the Doctor to me" when recalling a memory to Clara, and to me that encapsulates the enduring nature of their intense bond. To me that is THE line. Regeneration is a form of death and rebirth, but certain core traits are immutable, particularly to two people who are narrative foils, who have known each other for centuries (or possibly millennia) and keep being thrown together by fate again and again and again.

Bottom line is, every Doctor is the same person, and so is every Master. Acting as though one of them only cares for select versions of the other is just so strange to me. They aren't us. To them, it's just like loving (or hating, or both) someone through the eras of their life. Their same life, broken down into stages od evolution and devolution. It's the same person.

I can point to the exact episode (a lol very polarizing episode in Series 10) where I think this "they're not the same person from face to face" trend got exponentially more pronounced, but anyone who knows me knows what that episode is. I truly believe it's a disservice to every version of every Doctor and Master involved.

And I really don't think that Spydoc, which came soon thereafter, is just the playing-out of the consequences of a MASSIVE miscommunication between soul mates. It IS that, but not JUST. I think all of the writing about Thoschei that followed the exacerbating episode was trying to force this inaccurate distortion, this illusion of separateness, which is part of what made the events in Power of the Doctor so painful to Thoschei fans. The Doctor walked away from the Master (literally and figuratively, ironically inviting his inevitable despair--and her own demise) partly out of understandable hurt and rage and caution, but also out of a cold, repulsed misunderstanding: "Missy was willing to change and you regressed, you're a different person than she was, and you have angered me to the point of indifference; I am able to turn off caring about you because you are unrecognizable from her, the version of you that I could control save."

Maybe Whittaker's response is intended by Chibnall: we're supposed to recognize that she's wrong but HAS to be in order to survive another betrayal by the Master, which is what makes it all so tragic.

But I think fan reception has taken the whole thing ( "each Doctor and each Master is an entirely discrete self-contained being") too far, and it bothers me, so much, I think, because it's a trope that enforces the idea that love is transactional and contingent (in such a way that also perhaps unwittingly targets the socially, culturally, and economically marginalized). If you're the "good, small, manageable version" of yourself, then you're easier to love, and it's worth the investment. Otherwise, "you gambled and you lost," and you deserve to die lying in the filth of your own poor decisions. I get why that's an appealing, vindicting plot device, from the POV of an audience member who has felt hurt or even abused IRL. I understand it, I've BEEN the Doctor many times. It just doesn't sit well with me. Maybe that's just me. I could be at peace with that, as a Whovian :P.

But, in-universe, it's based on a premise that's factually erroneous! Dhawan's Master IS Missy IS Delgado IS Simm IS Jacobi IS Ainley IS Roberts IS Beevers etc etc etc. Just as Whittaker's Doctor is a RESPONSE to Capaldi's, but ALSO still IS Capaldi's. And Tennant's. And Baker's (x2). And Eccleston's. And Gatwa's. And Pertwee's. Etc etc. Dhawan's Master was the Prime Minister of the UK and also made chairs that eat people and also cried remembering the names of people she killed. It's the SAME PERSON.

Lol, not quickfire at all. It's an old bone to pick, I know. I just can't stop finding the whole trope...very itchy.

(ok to reblog...dunno if anyone would, LOL, but feel free to reblog and to comment).

I'm gonna tag some ppl I know I've chatted about this with before to see if there are new insights. And feel completely free to disagree with me on any count. @natalunasans @mostincrediblechange @drummingncise @modernwizard @nickcagestrufflehog @rearranging-deck-chairs @koschei-no-more @likeacharacterinamusical

[best-enemies]

Thoschei & Poems | Part 2 (Part 1)

Ash (2020) // 2. The World and Other Places: Stories, Jeanette Winterson (1998) // 3. Wuthering Heights, Emily Brontë (1847) // 4. Weetzie Bat, Francesca Lia Block (1989) // 5. Unknown // 6. Mahmoud Darwish // 7. Mabel, ep. 28: Matryoshka // 8. Clarice Lispector // 9. Emily Dickinson // 10. This Side of Paradise, F. Scott Fitzgerald (1920)

[raindropsonwhiskers]

Missy 🥰

I'm shocked by this ask, I really am :P

Favorite thing: I mean?? Everything?? But if I had to pick One Thing, I really love her theatricality

Least favorite thing: How often people reduce her to just being manic and evil without any real motivation (...looking at you, EU)

Favorite line: Just,, the entire exchange with the Doctor when she and Clara find him in the Viking era

brOTP: Missy and Bill!! They have a fun dynamic that I really wish we got more of in canon

OTP: Twissy all the way babey

nOTP: Hmmm... I guess Missy and the Monk, if only because I like their relationship better as Antagonistic Siblings

Random headcanon: She rickrolls the Doctor on the piano sometimes

Unpopular opinion: Her character arc feeds really well into Dhawan!Master's, actually, and as much as it hurts me that s10 went the way it did, the Vault was such a mess that it never could have ended any other way

Song: ...there's a really good Twissy edit to Masochism Tango on youtube that has forever entwined the two in my brain, so I guess that's my answer

Favorite picture: I,,, don't actually have many pictures of Missy saved to my phone, but probably her leaning on the piano and looking at Twelve. Or the graveyard kiss