#she doesnt know about chris and buck relationship

[applepiebuck]

My cousin is watching 911 and I told her about buddie and she's only at the episode where Maddie says "so does this boy crush on Eddie mean you're finally ready to move on from Abby?" And she was like idk he just brushed it off maybe it's just a fan thing, and I'm like well first of all, the fans are correct. But 2. Oh honey you've got a big storm coming

[wolvesofinnistrad]

Weve talked to death why Tommys view on the breakup wqs in character. And tbh I actually rhink "not fighting for a relationship" and "pining over someone that dumped him" fits Exactly in Bucks character especially if we compare Tommy and Abby.

What I DONT get is why everyone else is so out of character about their breakup.

Lets start from the top. Eddie quickly became very good friends with Tommy, to the point that Tommy is the 3rd and only guest besides Buck at the virtual Chris bday party. Eddie clearly spends a lot of his time both with Tommy, and with Bucktommy together, so why is he not eager to see them patch things up? The man that said "call tommy" while wagging his finger at Buck and fought for them before they even got together. Why is he now playing keepaway with Bucks phone so he cant call Tommy?

Maddie knows Buck was crazy over this guy and her only advice is "you should babysit my kid to get over it." Like come on... she let him invite Tommy to her own wedding, thats a big deal, hes her little brother with abandonment issues and she doesnt even really care? The only excuse i can see is yeah, she jjst found out she spregnant so maybe we can let her slide but its still odd.

Speaking of Maddie, why was Chimney virtually silent about this. One of his oldest frienda (because yes Tommy and Chim are friends) and his brother in law broke up and all he cares about is getting free baked goods? That doesnt make sense.

Bobby acts as if Buck should be getting over Tommy when he practixally gave Tommy the best approval last season eith that "Tommy is good people" line and more. And now he just... doesnt care that Buck got his heart broken again?

Where was the Hen and Karen and Buck daydrinking acene where they discuss the volatility of queer relationships? Where was ANY form of queer solidarity between Hen and Buck? We never even seen them discuss tommy or Bucks bisexuality? Henrens only comments on the entire development were the "about time" aside at the wedding and the deleted scene. Buck just hqd his first queer relationship and we dont get even a single scene of Hen and Buck together discussing the importance of this? She doesnt want him to fight for Tommy the way her and Karen fought for each other?

It all just feels so out of character for everyone to suddenly not give a shit. But then again it feels like most people dont interact except for when theyre forced to by the plot this season.

[eddiewasinthearmy]

i know everyone is (rightfully) doing buckabby about 8x10 but I need to do eddieshannon for a second. because the way eddie looks at buck during his outburst in the truck and then says its not nothing. its sooo complicated. and like. shannon left eddie, in el paso. buck says you're just moving back to texas like its nothing. like it doesn't affect anybody else. it does. and so in a very real way in that moment, eddie is shannon to buck. because shannon just up and left texas because her mom needed her, and she left eddie like it was nothing, like it would have no affect on him or their son. and maybe its a bit of a silly comparison, but the parallels are there. eddie comes back from war, shannon floats going to LA for her mom, eddie says not now, shannon goes anyway. buck gets dumped, eddie floats moving to el paso for chris, buck consciously or not tries to get eddie to stay, but eddie puts a downpayment on a house anyway. but then eddie says its not nothing, so that buck knows. hes not running away from his life in LA, and he doesnt need or want time away from buck the way that shannon did with him.

and then on another level, I think eddie maybe feels like himself, when he re-enlisted…

shannon said i cannot do this without you. and buck is sitting there in a moment of sleep deprived honesty and telling eddie his life will be fundamentally affected by eddie leaving. and eddie said im trying to provide for this family. and eddie needs to go to el paso, because he needs to fix things with chris, and he needs to be christopher's father, and buck knows that and agrees. and then shannon also says you keep saying you didn't have a choice, but you're the one that keeps making these choices for the rest of us. which I think also echoes back to eddie thinking buck was making him choose between him in chris in the previous episode, even though buck wasn't doing that at all. eddie himself just feels like he is making that choice, and hes making the right one, but why does it feel like a choice at all to him. but it does feel like a choice to him, which is why its not nothing, that hes leaving LA. its maybe the hardest choice he's had to make, and he knows its affecting buck.

and then eddie also tried to pick a fight with him, in 8x09, which is what him and shannon did all the time when things got messy between them. when they were hurt by each other, they were pissed off at each other, and so eddie asked buck to be pissed off at him if eddie was hurting him. and eddie IS hurting him, even though he doesnt mean to which buck knows. but instead of fighting, buck already took the initiative to get over it and go above and beyond to help eddie. and then in the truck, eddie could have picked a fight again, but decided not to, because buck is tired and stressed enough. And because buck isn't shannon and him leaving buck is not the same as him leaving shannon, or shannon leaving him, both because their relationship is different and because him and shannon left each other like it was nothing, but its not nothing with buck.

and then in the goodbye scene, eddie takes responsibility for the parts he didn't handle well, like trying to fight with him. and at the end of the day this is the fundamental difference between eddie/shannon and buck/eddie. its that eddie and shannon fought each other all the time because they were both always alone in that relationship. eddie kept leaving her for afghanistan when she needed someone to have her back. shannon left for LA when eddie needed someone to have his back, with his ptsd and with his parents. they were just never on the same page, and even when they were together they were alone and you can see that in every single one of their scenes. but buck and eddie are just fundamentally together, or united, and so they dont really fight. instead they just have each other's back, by letting eddie go be with chris, or by letting buck knows he matters to him, that its not nothing for eddie to be leaving him.

[valenschmidt]

If you've already answered this, sorry.

But how do you (want to) see Eddie realising his sexuality/coming out? And how do you think he'd realise his love for Buck is more than a friend way?

Hi there!!! Sorry it took me too long to answer anon! I actually don't think I've been asked this question before

To me Eddie coming to terms with his sexuality and coming to realize his feelings for Buck go hand in hand

Like in my head I picture that Eddie is a man who already knows what he's looking for in a partner. Someone who loves Chris just as much as he does, someone who has his back, help him carry all that extra weight he has on his shoulders, someone he can give all that love he has inside but has been unable to give. But he is oblivious to the fact that Buck has exactly everything he's looking for, because he's a man. He also has no idea that he is already in love with Buck but because, as we established, Buck is a man, he doesnt realize that what he feels is actually not that platonic.

So I believe that he's probably going to realise with the help of a third party (it could be Henor Frank or maybe even Bobby but I always pictured a therapist making him realize it).

Eddie right now has to process Chris being gone because of what happened with Kim. He needs to do some introspection as to why he can't move on from Shannon. He needs to realize that he idealized his relationship with her because Shannon was the only woman he loved (what kind of love depends on the interpreter) and he hasn't been able to feel that for any other woman since her, so he's clutching to that feeling.

In the meantime he's going to have Buck be there for him as much as he's able to because Buck loves him and will always help him, but now Eddie doesn't have Chris to hide behind so he's going to always be spending one on one with Buck. When he talks to someone about Shannon and what he meant to her and what he's been looking for in relationships thar someone should point out that he already has all of that with Buck. That's when the pieces will start to connect in his head and he'll go Oh and realize but he will completely freak out about it because he was raised in this catholic setting that he should be with a woman and he should be a provider for that wife and that Christopher needs a mom...

But Eddie already has a partner who cares about him and loves Christopher and he might not be a mom BUT there is a reason as to why in his most recent interview post S7 Ryan Guzman himself compared Buck to Shannon... because Buck filled that void Shannon left behind when she died. Slowly but surely. He's his coparent, the person Chris goes to when he needs it and a person who Eddie loves SO much but can't realize it's romantic until someone points it out

The biggest thing that needs to happen after is Eddie coming to terms with the fact that besides loving Buck he's also attracted to him (the catholic thing will come to part there too)

Hoped this helped anon!!!

[thesrctsoftheuniverse]

so over the weekend (literally two days) i watched 16 of the 18 episodes of season 3....... so here's my thoughts!!!!

i've already professed my love for the characters more than enough but i just need to remind everyone that i am sosososo in love with all these fucking characters, what a truly insanely likeable lineup of different personalities

eddie getting buck to babysit chris so he stops being stuck in a depressive spiral.... genius

the earthquake episodes last season were insane, but the tsunami disaster?????? off the charts. the scenes with buck and chris were fucking beautiful, i love this duo and need more of them NOW. buck cares about that kid so goddamn much. and while tired and injured he saves idk how many more people. the way him and chris are fighting for their lives and then buck is desperately looking for chris all while eddie thinks they're completely safe. eddie was freaking out last season because his son was stuck in a school, but he was calm during this disaster because he was with BUCK. it makes me so emotional. im sosososo glad that i had seen the outcome of chris being found before watching the episode bc idk how people who didnt know that beforehand could handle it. the scene with eddie finding buck with chris' glasses???? im going to start crying. and after all of that for buck being so sure eddie wouldnt trust him anymore only for him to drop off chris again like its nothing?? im going to sob

from what i have read online the lawsuit storyline is a very divisive topic in the fandom. i kind of see both sides. i can see that buck thought his hands were tied and that the only family he had was replacing him. but i know at the same time that it's an overreaction. bobby didnt have any reason to have buck stay on leave for that long when chimney proudly proclaims he went back to work after only a couple of weeks. i understand that bobby cares about buck like a son somewhat, but he was not being fair. buck also shows that he didn't really want to cause as much hurt and friction between them by apologising again and again and not even thinking about accepting the money, going back to the 118 even though he knew they were going to make it difficult for him. it was a tricky situation, but im glad they moved on from it fairly quickly.

the fight club eddie storyline is kind of wild????? also did he ever get any reporcussions from bobby for that??? men will literally do anything but talk about their issues and deal with their feelings. what an insanely gay thing to do.

love eddies conversation with bobby where he starts crying. eddie should cry more often (i say this with love)

lena im in love with you, do you like women?

chris' english teacher is sooooooooooooooooooooooooooo beautiful

i truly love seeing athena and her family grow and change over time. the relationship between bobby and michael is so important to me. i love them together. and michael's tumor storyline??? heartbreaking.

love albert!

chimney and maddie i love you two soso much you deserve the world, youre so imporant to me. chimney respecting maddies boundaries no matter what.... im gonna cry (A BABY?????????)

the episode of 911 dispatch being taken over might just be one of the best episodes of the series. i especially loved that we got to see characters that other times didnt get as much screentime. LOVE LOVE LOVE JOSH!!!

the athena begins episode is heartbreaking. and beautiful. the closure at the end, with her telling emmet's mother that they made an arrest. how beautiful. really well done. she never gave up on finding that man.

the eddie begins episode is also beautiful. him cutting the fucking rope???? idk how they want me to believe that he swam to safety but whatever..... anyways he loves chris so much and we got to see more of his and shannon's marriage which i loved. to be fair, he was kind of a shitty father and definitely a shitty husband, shannon was clearly not ok and i understand why she left. doesnt make it right, but i understand it. when he gets stuck underground and buck starts losing his mind, screaming, crying, throwing up and bobby gives him /that/ look. oh kill me now. that man was gonna dig by hand .... i love them.

the episode of buck helping that old veteran feel important and not alone at the end of his life? im going to start crying again. buck truly believes that no one will ever love him or choose him or stay with him forever.

michael talking to harry about what being black means when they encounter police was incredibly moving and heartbreaking. but also important. i just love athena's family.

hen hitting that cello girl with the ambulance...... oh i cried so hard, my heart broke for her. karen and her are so amazing together i love them so much, they truly are each other's rock.

i love the buckley siblings. i love the side characters. i love the main characters. i have so many thoughts.

abby....i understand that she had to get away from everything to find herself ok? but she shoudlve just texted or sent a letter to buck just to give him closure and not let him keep haunting her apartment. i dont like them as a couple, this shit has clearly hurt buck deeply and will not be easy for him to get over. she didnt really seem all to apologetic either at the end. i get it but also why did u have to hurt buck by not ever responding and ghosting him????

got so many funny and beautiful scenes this season, it was amazing!!! truly loved every character. it had that gay ass buddie kitchen scene... lol

but anyways....im already done with two episdoes of season 4 so bye

[bagelsunshinecoffee]

I have so many Shannon thoughts. She’s only physically in the show for a short time and I wish it was longer. I would have loved for the show to actually play out the Eddie/Shannon divorce and for us to get to see where Shannon’s journey takes her. I can’t help feeling like maybe the show didn’t know what to do with her character so they just killed her off. And I know a lot of people think Shannon is one dimensional but I don’t really agree.

We see Shannon break down and admit her deepest, most vulnerable fears. We see her stand up for herself. We see her make a difficult decision to step away from her marriage to do what is best for herself and her son. Through her we really understand for the first time that she and Eddie were just kids when they got pregnant and married. They are at the crossroads of deciding, as adults, if the path they started on is one they want to continue or if they have grown past it.

Shannon has grown past it. She loves Eddie but knows that at this point the foundation of their relationship is as much nostalgia and wishful thinking as anything. She is determined to prioritize Chris (and ughhh this is why I’m so mad she died because I want to see her stepping into her role as a mother again and learning and making mistakes and getting to have that relationship). Eddie…Eddie is lost, and he’s still lost in that same way by the end of season 7, chasing Shannon and what she represents long after she’s gone. I think there are a lot of reasons (besides the fact that Eddie is actually gay and Shannon represents the life he was supposed to live but will never be able to while being true to himself) including the fact that he struggles profoundly to deal with pain, probably due to being raised to be strong and having that reinforced in the military and then repressing years of trauma. You can’t grow without dealing with pain.

In a lot of ways their dynamic reminds me of Buck and Abby and I’ve seen people react to the two couples in similar ways: demonizing the women to some degree to focus on the hurt they caused the men. And they did hurt Buck and Eddie, and yes let’s deal with that as part of their characters. But both of these are examples of women who decided they needed space from their all-consuming caretaker roles in order to be ready to have real and healthy relationships and both get lambasted for it.

With Shannon there’s the extra layer that she left Chris. She hurt her child, that’s undeniable. I also think it’s true that there are times a person can not be a good parent. Shannon was raising a child she was not prepared for alone, with minimal contact with her husband, for years. She was also raising a disabled child with greater care needs, expensive treatments, and having to make life altering decisions for her child (surgery, etc) all by herself. When she expresses her fear that she harmed Christopher by causing his CP, there’s ableism there, the assumption that CP is a bad thing. There’s also the reality of a young woman who has seen her child experience pain, surgery, difficulties that other children do not and who has felt the full weight of an ableist society descend on her and her child. The world loves to blame mothers for everything about their children, that’s not made up in her head. She’s absolutely coming at it from the perspective of an able-bodied person who didn’t have to grapple with ableism at all until Chris was born and still has a lot to unlearn, but that doesnt make her evil. When Eddie came back into Chris’s life there were many struggles that were already over, that Shannon dealt with all by herself.

What does our society hate more than a woman who refuses to be a caretaker? And what does fandom love more than a woman who can be demonized so the man who steps up as caretaker or lives without her care can be idolized?

Shannon was right at the cusp of something. She was going to have a chance to be a mother on her own terms, to repair the harm she did, to find herself. And it would have been good for Eddie too, I think, to be forced to let go of the idealized image of Shannon in his head which her death only crystallized forever. And then she died because ???? Reasons. I guess.

[daniclaytcn]

I was rewatching the coma episode before the finale and specifically with the fact that all the people in the dream were intended to be different parts of buck’s subconscious. Daniel reflected his insecurities, his parents reflected his desire for familial love, specifically his dad with his parents and his mom with children (im still incredibly 👀about margaret comforting buck (her kid) by telling him its okay to “go upstairs and sleep” (die), then buck being reminded of chris and likely the promise he made him to never leave, and then margaret looking at the ferris wheel and saying “it doesnt match what I picked out but if you like it then I love it”) hen and chim are his “guides” and specifically hen was the same as real life, reflecting the role she was playing in his life in his s6 arc. And then bobby was the teacher/lesson giver, also similar to real life. But he also reflected the familial love buck already has (the get well card) so yeah eddie not being there is a choice especially when the only people who did not play a role in helping buck were maddie and eddie (and margaret/phillip), but instead he imagined the worst possible scenario for those two: maddie is in her abusive relationship, and eddie lost chris to his parents which buck knows eddie never wants to happen. And then at the end of the dream the things that try and stop him are him finding eddie, him helping maddie leave doug, and his wish for a relationship with his parents. And he dreams the worst for the people he loves most (including bobby OD) and if bobby is his dad and maddie is his sibiling/mom then eddie is … ??? And Im still thinking about how they chose to parallel maddie and eddie so hard in 6x11 and then contrast them in 6x12 like that was also a choice they made ! (Anyways I just have a lot of thoughts about the coma dream lmao)

this is SUCH a good analysis! i really have so many thoughts about margaret being the one in 6x10 to refuse to even consider the possibility of buck having a child, then in his dream, she's the one to accidentally imply that he has kids, and then she makes a comment about the ferris wheels—that represent chris—not being what she picked out. and holy shit, i never connected the part about her telling him to go upstairs and sleep? that is such a disturbing metaphor.

about maddie and eddie—not only were they the only ones to not help buck escape his dream (margaret and philip didn't, like you said, but they're a moot point here for obvious reasons), they were also the ones in real life to distance themselves from buck's comatose body. we only saw maddie inside the room when her parents were. we only saw eddie in the room when chris was. neither of them were able to look at him directly. and all of this is really something, given that they're the two people whom buck ends up having a significant conversation with the next episode about how the lightning and dying affected him. and, like you said, maddie and eddie are also blatantly contrasted, with eddie knowing buck in a different way than maddie does.

tldr: there's just SO much to analyze and unpack in these episodes skdkdkd

[theweewooshowtookovermylife]

My thoughts on “what’s your fantasy”

What up I’m not dead just busy with outside obligations anyways I wanted to talk about this episode because I’ve been seeing some things and I wanted to put my two cents in

first off I love buddie and like everyone I want to see them interact more but the thing is s5 showed us Eddie reaching out to people and the same with buck, mainly Eddie just because that season ended doesn’t mean that arc for Eddie ended. I think this episode and the few before really emphasized the fact that there’s more branches of relationships to rely on not just your best friend or hopefully in this case love interest cause at the end of the day support comes from everywhere. Also I feel like it seems like people sort of don’t know or care how much 911 puts into the found family emphasis which means the whole encompassing family dynamic among the firefam. Hen and buck interacting or Eddie and Carla interacting a lot doesnt mean it’s a end to buddie’s friendship. it just means they have other friends and family . Hen and Buck have a sibling relationship (Buck has a another sister to lean on other than Maddie it doesn’t deminish Maddie as Buck’s sister and that found relationship has been there since s1) that’s important to their dynamic, buck goes to her when he has a problem (the donor line) cause it’s shown multiple times that she’s in his corner that didn’t happen out of no where . Eddie and Carla also feels like a siblings relationship despite Carla being and working as Chris’s caretaker Carla has taken the role of being Eddie’s rock just like a sister would, also sharing milestones is common outside your partner when your close to your family.

The possible reasons for the two scenes of Hen, Buck and Denny are at the ren faire and Carla and Eddie dropping Chris off at the dance. It’s shown Hen and Buck share similar interests or at least love trying out/learning new things (Hen with her animal fun facts and Buck with his random fun facts as well as their shared awe in the faire) so Hen probably invited Buck to the faire because she probably knows he would love it and be the best possible person (and probably the only other adult who would be into ren faire that was available to hang out with) to vibe with there as shown during their “sword fight”, literally just two siblings goofing off.

Carla has literally seen Chris grow up from that 7 year old back in s2 so she’s probably one of the few people who knows and understands Chris best and where his limits lie as well as being the voice of reason and reassurance for Eddie, she’s there to celebrate Chris growing up as well as telling Eddie it’s okay to let go and be there for him if he needs to talk his feelings out about how difficult it is to let the little boy go so he could grow up (Carla would know what that’s like cause she’s a parent too not just a caregiver).

Overall being apart from your partner/friend/ SO for sometime isn’t a bad thing, not being in a established relationship and not hanging out 24/7 or frequently doesn't mean it’s falling apart, it just means you have other friendships you don’t want to neglect.

tl:dr: even though i love buddie I feel like people are forgetting that the show has always emphasized on found family not just the individual parts that make that family up and that friendships are still undervalued for the sake of popular ship(s)

Feel free to comment your own thoughts I just wanted to throw in my own two cents

[redwhitebuddie]

So I see all the speculation ext about the Christmas epsiode, possible Carla being there for the recital ext. And trust me I want my dads to be together. But I dont know I have this feeling Taylor stuff will go down, Buck will be single by then and maybe Chris will be like cant my Buck spend Christmas with us, and maybe Eddie will be like we cant keep taking Bucks time. And that will break my heart but also 100% confirm to me that they are writing Eddie as suppressing his feelings for Buck because he doesnt want to loose him. Gah I honestly dont know what I want more because yes I love their cuteness but also now we need the angst to progress the story. Like I need both these men to finally realize the other one isn't just straight you know. I get people want it to be this seamless transition but thats not just real life sadly. And I dont think Eddie is homophobic at all, but he does have all the markings of a person raised in an extremely conservative upbringing.

as for the christmas episode, i would say that we can almost definitely expect a buckley-diaz family scene. since eddie has been around, we have always gotten one. (all except s4 but that season was all fucked up bc of covid)

so i do indeed tag alot of my posts ‘buddie canon season 5’ but what i really expect to happen is just a feelings realization sometimes during s5 most likely from eddies side due to the way that he is being written this season (as in terms of repression).

i would venture to guess that bucktaylor is going to be over by the mid season finale. most predictions from the fandom are that she and buck will fight over work or she will get a job offer in another state or city.

i would be upset if they just had eddie show his feelings with no qualms involving his families opinion, chris’s wellbeing or his queerness. eddie has always had issues accepting romantic love and he wants the best for chris. while buck is basically the best person possible, he will definitely be concerned about them breaking up and having to explain that to chris. (on the other hand i think buck is more comfortable with his sexuality and i would love to see a character like buck see his sexuality as a least important factor in their relationship, i could go more into this to if anyone wants me to, let me know)

this is controversial, but i would love if we got left on a cliffhanger about buddie and their relationship at the end of this season.

[stagefoureddiediaz]

Could be wrong but if lucy/kiss were the reason for breakup it should happen in this episode(though was a thing about no more lies a and he didnt tell her it lucy) but Taylor accepted he kissed another women. Now she wont be in episodes all while now living buck most likely because buck wont be there he'll be seeing maddie? but really focusing on eddie/chris. And while taylor knew how important they are to him I think she doesnt understand to the extent yet(she doesnt know about the will)

I got several asks all along the same lines so I'm answering them all together!

Hey Nonnie/Nonnies!

Sorry it took me so long to get to reply to all of these great asks! Its been a busy couple of days catching up with family for easter!!

The Taylor Lucy Buck triangle is actually an interesting one - the way they've chosen to play it and actually is better than if we had a break up in 5x13 as we were all hoping. The reason I think this is because if they had broken up in 5x13 it would've been unsatisfactory because it would have remove the possibility for the main character to show growth - the relationship would've essentially been ended by Taylor - and Buck would've, once again, been the one being left. With a break up happening further down the line the eventual break up becomes less about the kiss and more about Buck realising that the relationship isn't serving him well - that clinging to something that doesn't actually make him happy isn't the way forward and that he can be the one to chose to end something and walk away.

That him realising all this whilst helping Eddie and Chris (as well as supporting Maddie as she deals with everything going on in her life and relationship) through their post breakdown arc - the ongoing recuperation and recovery from trauma - where Buck is actively stepping in, supporting and helping both Diaz's then choosing to walk away from something that is actually making him unhappy and potentially increasing his own trauma (because lets be real - Buck is, in part, traumatised from being left behind) - well thats much more interesting and a more satisfying story to tell. the other thing is that showing Buck with the Diaz boys and not with Taylor will only enhance the sense of distance between Buck and Taylor - and at the same time increasing the closeness between Buck and Eddie - so its like a double whammy of distance from Taylor.

When Taylor finds out it was Lucy that Buck kissed - because she will - if it wasn't going to be relevant they would have already revealed it, I personally think they're going to utilise it in a way for Taylor to find her spine and return to her unethical reporting practices in retaliation - which in turn will give Buck the additional push he's going to need to end the thing that isn't good or working for him (and in the audiences yes turn her back from a character gaining some sympathy back into the villan) and all of this gives a layer of complexity to a relationship - its more in line with real life - where relationships are messy!

We also need to remember who the main character is in the BT relationship - its Buck, Taylor is just guest cast - and so anything that happens in the relationship is designed to progress his character arc and not Taylors!

[imtheiliad]

Okay but if even Taylor can tell that something is wrong with Eddie...

I mean, could it be interpreted as Taylor just being really good at reading people? Sure. Which makes her decision to ignore whatever bad thing Buck was clearly leading up to in their later conversation even more interesting.

But could it also be interpreted as Eddie is in such a bad mental state that even Taylor, who doesnt really know him at all, can see right through the front he's putting up? Absolutely. Which also makes her ignoring the fact that Buck is clearly in a downward spiral even more interesting.

Or could it be both? Who knows. I don't even know which one I'd prefer.

-Quarantine Anon

@quarantine-anon

the thing is is that taylor looked "pre-hurt" according to buck and that is telling that she does know that something is up, but said yes anyway. and then there's hen's comment about living together being different that spending (which i have said since the "basically living together" comment in 509(?)) which will most definitely come back to bite them in the ass (thank god).

i mean the comment that buck made did have a pretty big impact on eddie, like it wasn't subtle the way he changed the subject, and and it most likely wasn't caught by chris, not because he's a kid, but because he's also under the impression that eddie could go back, because he never said that eddie should quit.

either way i think it does definitely reflect on buck and taylor's relationship.

[crossovereddie]

Actually, here is an alternative thing for you to occupy your time with, and a question I have been meaning to ask you for a while. I have finished 911 finally! So I'm ready for the new season. And I wonder, realistically, what do you think the roadmap would be for a buddie endgame?

I absolutely see how their story has been framed and filmed in a lot of parallels to how a romantic storyline would be set out. But there has been no outright mention of either of them being bi - although the conversation about Maddy setting Buck up with whassisface was very casual and could very easily have been an example of canonically bi Buck - and they are both at the end of season 4 in 'relationships' with women.

So, in your estimation, what's the timeline? What's the transition? How do they go about this and how long does it take? I wanna know your thoughts 👀

okay yes i have lots of thoughts on this and it's actually one of my fave questions i get asked. I've always watched a lot of tv shows so I'm just estimating on what I've seen before and what I would personally do. IMO this love story is a slow burn. We only have four seasons so far and only three of those seasons have Eddie in them. This unsurprisingly got long so ill put it under the cut.

So I'll go by seasons bc to me its important to look at everything that has happened so far by seasons and by love interests and not as a whole. Its the best way i can form a timeline that I think would make the most sense and why

S1: So we don't get any hints at Buck being anything other than straight and I think this is because he was supposed to be. They hadn't planned for Eddie yet and they definitely hadn't planned for the chemistry Oliver and Ryan were gonna have. S1 Buck was this reckless kid who didn't take anything serious. He was definitely super immature. Then he meets Abby and he starts to get serious about his job and his love life. I'm not gonna say "Abby changed him" because she didnt. He saw the person he was and the person he was becoming and decided on that change himself.

S2: Eddie!!!! So we get introduced to this army medic turned firefighter in the least heterosexual way. Then Buck is angry because Eddie is hot and really good at his job. they work together and Eddie compliments Buck and now they're smiley bffs. Seriously wtf was all that? Anyway this is all sus bc from what ive seen before in other shows when a main love interest leaves and a new main character replaces them, that means something. JLH replaced Connie Britton as far as big name actress but i really believe Eddie replaced Abby as far as importance in Buck's life. Do i think they brought him in with the intentions of turning him into a LI? No but they sure fueled the narrative from the get go. I think they saw fans reactions and started testing the waters.

Moving on to LIs in this season. We find out Eddie has a kid and the mother is not in the picture (eddie made sure buck knew that right away). Then later on we find out he's technically still married. shannon comes back and we get Eddie finally getting to confront this head on. He tries to get his family back together for the sake of his son. Its big for Eddie's character bc all he does and all he's ever done is for his son. Then Shannon asks for a divorce then she dies bringing this arc to an abrupt end and leaving eddie heartbroken.

meanwhile Buck is still waiting for Abby. Then he finally accepts that shes not coming back and decides to move on. He goes right back to being "Buck 1.0" with Taylor and feels bad about himself because that really isnt him anymore. He wants a real relationship. So then Ali calls and asks him on an actual date and he agrees. This is his first try at a relationship after a heartbreak. in tv these don't usually work out but are used to develop the main character's growth. We don't really see much of her but she breaks up with him so.

S3: This is Eddie finally dealing with his feelings/guilt season. This is also the season I think we really see how important Buck is to the Diaz boys. S2 had cute buckley-diaz family moments but those could still be interpreted as a best friend and his best friend's kid. This season though... after the tsunamic episode was when i really started to fully believe buddie was going canon. This season is solidifying their bond not only as Buck and Eddie but as Buck Eddie and Christpher. As I'm writing this I realized neither of them really has a love interest in this season do they? Ana is introduced but then is clearly presented as definitely NOT the right choice for eddie and especially for Chris. Then they counter that with Buck helping Eddie build a skateboard for Chris that he can use as opposed to Ana's ablest remarks about how he can't do it so just move on to something else. Then we get Buck's reaction in Eddie Begins. Buck has seen his team his friends his family get hurt on the job before but he has never reacted the way he did when it was Eddie in danger. Again solidifying just how much these two mean to each other. Don't even get me started on this season being when Eddie changes his will offscreen. Anyway we get Abby back and Buck finally gets the closure from that relationship that he needs to move forward into a serious relationship.

Now S4: jfc s4....IMO this is the only logical season to get the ball rolling on Buddie and they sure did that with 4x14 despite everything else. So i never thought they would be the first serious relationship for each other after the heart break theyve both experienced. It wouldn't be fair to their character developments. Buck tries dating Veronica and that clearly doesnt work but we know hes now open to dating again. We get Buck Begins where we see why Buck is the dare devil he is. The only way he got his parents attention as a kid was to put himself in danger. They bring back taylor and how to they ultimately get together after she friendzones him? She thinks hes in danger and suddenly wants him. As much as i hate it this is really gonna be a relationship where Buck finally stands up for himself and sees his own worth and realizes he deserves more. He deserves someone who sees him and loves him for who he is. He deserves to be chosen, something Abby Ali his parents dont do and what i think taylor wont end up doing. I feel like shes gonna choose her career over him. Maybe not in a "I'm breaking up with you" way but maybe she takes a new job and want to do LD (hes tried that twice and it didnt work for him. hes not gonna want that) or she could ask him to go with her but he wont. His family is in LA. His job is in LA. Eddie and Chris are in LA and he won't leave them. Then we have Eddie finally deciding to move on and try dating again so they bring back ana. To me it's not gonna work out so I'm not bothered at all lmao. It's interesting that they'd choose her though. Someone we already know Eddie doesn't trust with his son. There's also more buckley-diaz family scenes of them being coparents. The hildy episode, Chris running to Buck when hes mad at eddie, Buck being the one to tell Chris Eddie got hurt, then Buck staying with Chris and taking on the guardian role without him even knowing just how much that role really does belong to him. He didn't do it out of obligation. He didn't do it because he was asked to. He did it because he thought it would be best for Chris. Finally to 4x14. This is by far the biggest "Oh shit this is it. This is the beginning of buddie". We find out Eddie changed his will a year ago and has just been sitting on this info. I think Eddie knew back then what it meant but he wasn't in the right mindset to accept what it means so he kept it to himself. I think he finally started allowing himself to go there during treasure hunt. The man was jealous yall. Carla coming back and her comment about doing whats best for him and not chris is his oh shit moment. I think he wouldve broken up with Ana a few days after that if he had the time lol. He gets caught up in the mother/son sl then this poor mf gets shot by a sniper. The way that whole scene was filmed btw was not in a bff way. That was a lover watching his beloved almost die in front of him. Buck again puts himself down and Eddie decides this is the moment. He needs Buck to see how important he is. He wants buck to know how loved he is. So he sits there talking himself up to it and finally lets Buck know just how big of a part he is in Eddie's family. Buck's previous scene is him saying he wants someone who wants him back then here is Eddie saying he needs him...Chris needs him. wtf.

So with S5: I think Eddie knows and Buck has a feeling but he's not sure so what i would do is spend s5 with Eddie basically showing Buck his feelings but not exactly getting in the way of Buck's new relationship because Buck has to be the one to make that choice. Id also have chris feeling the different shift with buck having a gf like he did with Eddie. This newfound info wasnt just dropped on us for a "Aww so sweet" moment. This will business is gonna be a part of a bigger storyline. I'm hoping its with Eddie's family during maybe 5b.

So what I think would be the best timeline for canon buddie is 5a eddie already having either broken up with ana or is gonna break up with her, Buck choosing himself and ending things with Taylor by midseason finale, them bringing in Eddie's family in 5b and maybe then being when Eddie confesses his feelings for Buck. Then 6a we could get them walking on egg shells around each other not really knowing what to do bc this is all so new for both of them. This could bring just the right amount of comedy and angst especially them awkward and flustered around each other at work. A big blowup can happen between them for added angst (maybe an arguement before one of them or both of them is put in danger) then a midseason finale kiss. Then trying to find the balance between their personal relationship and their work relationship during 6b.

I don't know how long Fox shows last but procedurals can last a long time. I'm not sure thats gonna be the case for 911 especially with all the main cast staying that long so i think this would give us at least a whole season (S7) of canon buddie.

As far as then being presented as straight, there's been more seeds planted about buck being bi. A few i can remember off the top of my head: all of 2x1 lmao, maddie's comment about bucks boy crush on eddie, buck hinting at thinking eddie is cute when he thinks maddie is talking about him, the christmas elf, the comments on the instagram livestream, idk if youve watched it or not but TK's comment to Buck in the crossover episode, and like you mentioned Maddie's casual comment about setting him up with Josh. All we really know about Eddie's love life is he married Shannon when they were young and is trying with Ana so it could turn into a whole storyline for him.

I'm so sorry this is so long and took forever but i I hope i actually answered your question and didnt just get lost in rambles lmao.

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That episode truly put me in such a sour mood after what they did to Eddie!! Like the real Eddie would never do any of that stuff! He's a devoted loving father (the best father) who wouldn't do anything that his son isnt okay with! And I'm still super bitter that we didnt get a Eddie/Christopher scene once he got him from Bucks. Like I love the Buck/Christopher scene and it was important and lovely and I'm glad it was in the episode but a Eddie and Christopher scene would've been even more important and definitely needed! And don't get me started on her calling Chris sensitive 🤬 and Eddie not having a reaction towards that like he should! Ugh this is not the mood I want for the next 6 weeks! I'm just hoping that our Eddie, The real Eddie is back in 6 weeks and stay permanently and doesnt let that imposter use his face again!

I feel like the worst part is not only how dirty they did his character but how much it was a total waste of an extremely important and emotional arc.  Like...Eddie taking his first steps into moving on and navigating that with Christopher should have been big, should have been meaningful, should have been handled with at a minimum the same care and attention with which they handled the skateboard incident and Eddie and Christopher’s related conversations in “Fools,” and should have been something that clearly established (or at least strongly foreshadowed) what’s going to happen with their development moving forward into the rest of the season.  I was looking forward to it!  I wanted to see it!

And at the beginning, the rest of the absolutely cringeworthy and barely watchable date scene aside, it was clear that yes! Eddie was reluctant to talk about this with his son!  He was worried!  He had concerns!  And I thought, oh excellent, this is going to go well.

Then, Eddie got home and immediately lied directly to Christopher’s face about it and I thought...oh no.  But even then I still thought, hey now, they can pull it back!  I did actually love Christopher’s reaction!  That part was great!  And honestly, I can even accept Eddie deciding to give Christopher time to cool off instead of going after him to talk immediately.  

There was no reason to have the video call with Ana.  It was unnecessary and only ended up being a vehicle for Invasion of the Body Snatchers Eddie to *checks notes* be totally dismissive of his son’s extremely valid feelings without even having had a real conversation about why Christopher reacted the way he did and what exactly his concerns were!  Not to be dramatic [lie, I’m always dramatic], but I felt like I’d been slapped, it was so abrupt and OOC.  [And, as I mentioned in a separate post, it makes zero sense to have had Eddie be worried about telling Christopher at all if he wasn’t going to actually care about Christopher’s feelings, so not only was he ultimately wildly OOC, his characterization wasn’t even consistent within the confines of the episode.]  

And I’m sorry, I love the Buck and Chris scene, I do, but as much as we joke and clown, Buck is not Christopher’s parent. Plus, their conversation wasn’t even directly about Eddie dating!  It wasn’t directly about Christopher’s concerns with Eddie dating [so therefore, I’m still not clear on exactly what those are/were although I can guess] and there wasn’t even a token attempt at directly addressing that particular elephant in the room!  Yes, kids need reassurance and support from multiple adults they love and look up to in times of crisis, but we got nothing from the most important person and most important relationship in Christopher’s life: his dad. 

It would have been SO EASY to have cut the video call [avoiding the OOC bullshit] and used that time instead to have added on to the Buck and Christopher scene.  Example: Buck and Chris end their conversation, Eddie arrives, having rushed over in a panic, hugs his kid and says some variation on “we can continue this at home, but I’m sorry I lied to you, I should have told you first, but just know no matter what happens or who else comes into my life, I love you and you’re never going to lose me.”  THERE! DONE! I FIXED IT IN THIRTY SECONDS! 

Ideally we would have gotten a longer extended Eddie and Christopher scene because, again, their relationship should have been the focus of this storyline, but if we had even gotten just that little bit on top of the Buck and Christopher scene, it would have cut my salt levels at least in half.  Instead though, we got NOTHING and the next time they were on screen it was because Ana was coming over to the house and suddenly everything was A-OK????? WHAT???? 

Writing tip 101: YOU CAN’T RESOLVE SOMETHING THAT IMPORTANT OFF SCREEN! Like???? Christopher ran away from home and we got zero acknowledgment of the severity of that, zero acknowledgment of the resolution of that, not even a token throwaway line about “we discussed it and everything’s fine now” [which would have been a gross cop-out but still would have been SOMETHING more than the whole lot of absolute BS NOTHING we got].

Once again...Eddie didn’t even let Shannon back into Christopher’s life for months when she came back, but we’re supposed to believe he’s bringing over a new woman he’s not even serious with yet after just a few dates because...what, she was Christopher’s teacher so at least he knows her?  Make it make sense!  [And as a side note, what was the point of having Ana point out multiple times that they could/should go slow with respect to Christopher if she was ultimately going to be totally cool with that weird Meet the Girlfriend introduction? And a side side note, I completely agree, the “sensitive boy” comment rubbed me the wrong way completely and came off as super condescending so thanks I hate it on MULTIPLE levels.]

Anyway...yeah, the whole thing was a goddamn travesty.  I may be a Buddie clown, but I am an Eddie Diaz lover first and foremost and idk who that was in the episode but it sure as HELL was not Eddie Diaz.  @ the guest writer for this episode, the door is that way, please let it hit you on the way out.  Hoping they can do some serious damage control after the hiatus [currently Christopher is credited for 4x9 but Ana is not so there may be some room to set things right] but right now I’m just...very pissed.  Haven’t seen a character assassination this bad since Lucy Preston in the Timeless Christmas Special.  Fucking YIKES.  

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Ok so this is how the Buddie canon timeline works in my brain:

8A: Eddie has a moment of introspection and realizes he's gay in Texas... He starts remembering his past and all the things he repressed over the years with his parents and how he probably idealized his relationship with Shannon because she was his friend and he loved her and finally moves on while also talking to Chris and mending their relationship (with Chris also getting to understand his dad a little bit more... that he is human and makes mistakes and all the things he went through). While having this realization at the same time he realizes he might be in love with his very amazing, kind, supportive golden retriever best friend but he CAN'T cause Buck is a man and he's not ready but oh he loves him as easy as breathing

Meanwhile Buck keeps dating Tommy but realizes along the way that Tommy is not a good match for him and doesn't really listen to him or understand and breaks up with him because he's not what he wants. He wants to feel loved, and respected and valued in his relationship.

8B: We get Eddie newly out as a gay man (with a lot of happy tears and hugs from the firefam) and Eddie tiptoeing into the dating pool of men because he doesn't want to tell Buck because he's afraid of hurting him and losing him like he hurt Shannon because of how terrible he is as a husband and a boyfriend while also still freaking out a bit about the interested in men thing but it's getting better (Bonus points if we get Eddie being flirted on by a man on a call and him getting all flustered while Buck boils with rage and doesnt understand why) and Eddie realizes that his type in men are pretty much Buck lookalikes and the fact that he will never be able to date another man. Buck is it for him

On the other hand we have Buck... realizing that he doesn't want to date around anymore. That he doesn't care to get to know anyone and he's tired. He wants a family. He wants kids. He WANTS. And then one day while he's at Eddie's house he has his Oh moment while watching Eddie and Chis interact and he thinks. "This is what I've been looking for. They are my family" but freaks out completely because Eddie's his best friend and doesn't want to lose him because of his stupid feelings for him

This realizations get them to be really awkward around eachother and very distant to the point the other notices and thinks the other realized about their feelings... This culminates with an emergency where they get trapped or very close to getting really hurt with a confession in the season finale (which in a perfect world ends on a cliffhanger where we don't know what happens next - with the emergency and the confession)

9A: We pick up right from where we left of and we get our big emergency. By the end of it we get the other to admit their own feelings and we get Buddie canon in ep 3 with a kiss in Eddie's kitchen and we get to see their relationship develop

I CAN'T HANDLE A TIME JUMP ON THEIR RELATIONSHIP I JUST CANT

The rest of 9A is Buddie secret relationship ❤️

That's it... Thanks for coming to my TED talk

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Soon we'll get to see uncle Buck and i see a lots of Christopher hate going around. When you think about it, Buck's relationship with Christopher is much deeper and nothing about his relationship with him screams “uncle”. I’m not even going to touch Buck and Eddies relationship—I’m PURELY talking about Buck and Chris rn. Do you see Buck spending his time off with Jee? Taking her to the zoo on his own? Taking her to the pier? Going to Chimney and maddie's house to spend time with her on his own??

buck 👏🏻 is 👏🏻 christopher's 👏🏻 other 👏🏻 dad 👏🏻

you said it anon!! on one hand i don't wanna compare buck's relationship to jee with christopher's because they are different kids (and one has just been born lol) but... you can't argue that buck fills different roles in their lives. eddie's support net was very different than madney's when he first came to LA, and he's come to rely on buck as a partner, not a brother, like maddie and chim do. i mean. takimg him to see santa, anyone?

i don't doubt that jee will spend time with buck one-on-one, he will take her to the park or whatever, i've done that with my aunts too. and he will be there for her all her life, be there if she wants to runaway or needs a safeplace, because he loves her so much. but he won't be raising jeeyun, he'll be playing the game under her parents rules and reinforce them. with chris and eddie it's different- of course he doesnt undermine eddie's authority or parenting style, but he adds to it. that time he babysat chris in 4x08? he could have perfectly said "you're going to bed now because this is what your dad says", but instead he had his 'negociation' with chris- which is a very dad thing to do btw. don't even mention the summer camp debacle of 2020 (3x18) because that SCREAMS concerned dad. buck is very protective of christopher and wants him to be happy and safe, he looks at him like a son and the will revelation can only have reinforced that for him.

let's talk about how christopher looks at buck as an equal to himself (his bff) but also to his dad! in 4x03 when eddie bans the internet at home, chris immediately goes to ask buck, but respects when he goes along with eddie. in 3x01, buck is refered as 'his buck', not 'uncle buck' (as is the case with madney even before jee was born), and when chris gets lost during the tsunami, he spends the whole day calling for buck instead of his dad, which... um, in a traumatic, stressful situation, a kid with only 1 parent would usually call for their parent, just saying.

this anon was sent ages ago so thank god eddie did realize that! ana's out of the picture and as far as we know, it hasn't affected chris that much, or at least it wasn't mentioned in 5x04. let's see what happens next.

even if buddie never go canon, you can't deny buck and christopher have a very special relationship, and they love each other like son and dad. in the end, us viewers can interpret it as whatever we like, but i personally see it as that. buck has been filling the role of eddie's partner and chris's other dad for ages, that is just FACTS.

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*reaffixes clown shoes* *adjusts wig* *honks clown nose*

HERES HOW BUDDIE CAN STILL WIN

(this is 90% shitpost. i honestly speaking think ana and eddie are quite cute as a couple, and shes a really lovely character who they better not relegate to only a love interest)

(breakdown below the cut because holy hannah this post got LONG)

okay so first lets state the obvious. We all know the juxtapositions between buck and ana in regards to chris; "he needs to know his limitations" vs *researches/helps build an adaptive skateboard for chris* being the long established of the two, while the latter is the not being ready for ana to meet chris vs whatever that whole domestic scene was when eddie came home from the date (WHAT WAS THE REASON). Ana either holds back with chris or (inadvertently) makes eddie feel insecure in his parenting (eddie feeling like he isnt being realistic with chris, or tht hes pushing too hard/hurting chris with moving on after Shannon's death). Buck however encourages eddie in his parenting, helping eddie figure out how to adapt the world for chris rather than forcing chris to adapt to the world/give up on things that he cant do like the other kids, and reassuring him that chris will come around, being there for both of them. it feels off to me that despite all of these contrasts, eddie and ana are supposed to be endgame over buck and eddie.

second point of mine is shifting over to buck. i hope that buck and taylor don't end up romantically involved, and i dont think they will. a point that was emphasized in 4x08 (our reintroduction to taylor) was not buck moving into romance. his character's focus was in his friendships; with albert, with eddie, with chris, and with taylor. its even emphasized that taylor is in need of a friend, not a partner. i dont think with how their interactions went, and with their history, that those two will end up as partners. that, and buck could really use a friend outside the 118. this has been emphasized. as much as i don't like taylor from s2, she seems to have grown a lot (not unlike buck) in the past 2 years. she and buck could make really friends, something that both they and everyone in the world could use.

my third point kinda circles back to the parallels/juxtapositions thing. the waves of buck and Eddie's friendship versus with their respective romantic interests are intriguing. buck and eddies friendship started off with tension between buck and eddie before being very positive, dipping at the lawsuit and coming back afterwards. each of their relationships romantic interests have done the opposite; initial attraction, followed by tension, followed by a more positive period. neither have gotten to another true tension point (though perhaps you could consider what happened with taylor in 4x08 such, but its much less significant that say the lawsuit or the shit that happened in dosed). this is less of a true point and more of just an Inch Resting thing to note.

my next point circles back to something i brought up in the first paragraph; buck and Eddie's very domestic scene following eddie and Ana's (frankly speaking kind of weird) date. until buck mentions the date, that scene very much reads as romantic. the way buck comes around the corner, and they way he looks softly at eddie throughout. the much more natural way eddie smiles around buck in that scene, and the gentle and fond tone he uses throughout. this scene following ana mentioning that there hasn't been anyone since shannon, and eddies reaction to her saying that, is very odd. the order that scenes fall in and the fact that buck is always there for eddie and chris seems to be no accident, and its well worth considering.

my final point centers around my literal favourite character in the whole of television; christopher diaz, who i would walk through hell for. speaking of walking through hell for chris, do you know who else would do that? eddie and buck. everyone at this point knows The Scene™️ in the searchers. eddie nearly directly saying the buck loves chris like his own kid, and heavily implies that chris and eddie both feel the same way about the matter. despite the fact that ana was already chris's teacher, the relationship between her and chris of them doesn't even come close to the beginning of his and bucks. couple that with the skateboard incident, buck watching chris during the date, and chris and bucks (heart-rending) conversation following chris running right to buck? you have a very interesting view. notable other scenes include chris at the station while they wait for pepa to get off work, and the scene where eddie unplugs the wifi following the Hildy shenanigans.

anyways, like i said at the beginning of all this, everything of what i said here was 90% shitpost. as much as my heart wants it, i dont believe that buddie with become canon ( :[ ). i do love ana, and taylor doesnt seem nearly as bad as she used to be (also they are both very hot and i am a simple woman).