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for some reason it didn't occur to me to put 'tere nainon ke aage to taare bhi sharmaaye' down as an aziracrow lyric until now but realisation has just hit me and i am. Sobbign
#tere naina as a whole is a song i really should not of forgotten abt but my god#they watched the birth of the stars together and STILL that beauty pales in comparison to his eyes my god.#also the whole zakhm pe marham phool pe shabnam thing is so real i wonder how upset he was when crowley put his sunglasses on for#the final bits of their argument#i miss them so fucking much :(#good omens 2#faera's
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"i simply do not see it. i am looking away"
#batman#john constantine#zatanna zatara#lucifer morningstar#mazikeen#dc comics#hellblazer#if anyone is looking at this and going 'omg lucifer reference': please look at my blog please look at my blog pl#rbs > likesss!#was originally going to put the ot3 in this but i wanted a bit of a wider audience ig lmao#this was oriuginally done in ms paint and i think i put more emotion into those drawings than i have ever in my entire life before#mazikeen morningstar#mazifer#see you can make an argument that it's based to look god in the face and say you're an atheist#or that philosophically magic is just science that is beyond the scope of our knowledge#however#the way that it's always presented imo by batman...#anyway yet another 2 year old sketch i finally got around to lining#dc meme#1k
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I can’t stay quiet about this, I need to scream it to SOMEBODY ANYBODYYY
Dan Heng and Blade were Dan Feng and Yingxing. “Dh and Bld are Df and Yx!” Nope, their current selves aren’t them, that lacks nuance. “Dh and Bld aren’t Df and Yx!” THAT ALSO LACKS NUANCEE they are still connected and fundamentally shaped by their past identities, they aren’t entirely separate from them while also still being separate in a way. The best way I can describe it is like a venn diagram, there is overlap, but there also are still areas where they don’t.
To expand more, I wanna talk about the way they foil each other a bit in this sense. For Dan Heng, even if he is a botched rebirth, simply a “de-aged Dan Feng” not fully reborn, he is still not Dan Feng. While Dan Feng has made up the basis of his personality and he accepts him as his past, I think we forget that Dan Heng had his own entire childhood after the molting rebirth was completed. One he spent imprisoned by the Ten Lords Commission, and then he was exiled when he was old enough leading to his whole journey until he became apart of the Astral Express crew etc etc. Dan Heng is made up of a basis of Dan Feng + All of his own memories and experiences. While he shares traits with Dan Feng such as personality aspects like his stubbornness, his technique with a spear, and being able to connect with his old items, he also is very much himself with his own outlook and traits shaped by what he’s learned rather than what he has been born with. To treat him as if he is Dan Feng exactly is a disservice to both of their characters and the greater narrative that they apart of. He may still carry the burdens and karma of Dan Feng, but Dan Heng is still making his own future.
Now, Blade. Blade similarly is not Yingxing, not completely. Though he accepts Yingxing’s sin as his own and is intent of repaying the sin of Dan Feng and Yingxing (and getting Dan Heng to repay it too), there still are distinctions between him and Yingxing. In fact, I’d argue there are more things separating them. I could talk for so long again about the layered use of craftsmanship to connect, or rather disconnect, the two identities of Blade and Yingxing, but there’s more than that. “Now, ██ had died. His first — and only — death.” “From this moment on, that body will be the one and only "Blade."” Although Blade was Yingxing, a disconnect exists between them through the death of Yingxing. He awoke with no memories of his past, no even his name, until Jingliu came along, instilled in him her ideologies, made him remember, not only his past sins but the feeling of death so that he might inflict it onto others. As she said, he was reborn and had even given himself a name…
I want to add that the specific ways in which their current identities exist in proximity to their past ones foil each other. As I said, Dan Heng, in part as his sabotaged rebirth, is built upon the foundation of Dan Feng and all of his own experiences and memories. He has the capacity to gain back more memories of Dan Feng as his DH IL character stories outline, and though he is still himself and still moves forward, we see him accept his relation to Dan Feng eventually. Though that past life of his is clouded by fog and mist, he may eventually be able to push away the clouds that block him and understand more, about Dan Feng and in turn about himself. With Blade, it is so heavily emphasized in game from his relic lore to the very sword he uses that his mind is essentially broken, due both in part to the trauma of Jingliu’s “teachings” and the mara that was brought on by those lessons. He can’t fully remember everything about Yingxing, in fact actively remembering such or seeing familiar things is harmful to him. Like his shard sword, he is made of broken pieces, put together in a way that can never erase the cracks, and continuously shattering before being glued together again. His life is shaped by Yingxing’s past, the trauma he has endured is directly caused by his past actions. Unlike Dan Heng, he hasn’t had this whole life to build up and live. Though he’s experienced new things, they don’t shape him and change him in the way that Dan Heng’s built his identity up.
Where Dan Heng basically has supplements to Dan Feng’s identity that make him who he is, Blade is the broken shards and pieces of Yingxing that weren’t lost to the waves, making him who he is. Dan Heng is a next chance, finally free from the Preceptors’ control and of the role that stripped his past selves of their individuality, meanwhile Blade is the husk left behind of Yingxing’s regrets, broken by trauma caused due to Yingxing’s past actions, forever tormented by his past until he inevitably is able to die. If Dan Heng is more than just Dan Feng which is why he is separate but intertwined with him, than Blade is less than Yingxing, in a way that has caused such a severe disconnect that has caused Blade to have his own identity still shaped. And looking at this, not to again bring up my craftsmanship post about Blade, Dan Heng can connect to Dan Feng. He can clear the fog, remembering his memories through dreams even if he can’t fully connect emotionally to him, and he finds sentiment in many of items that once were his, smth not many Vidyadhara actually are capable of doing. To contrast, Blade is forever separated from connecting completely to Yingxing’s identity. His memories will always be fragmented, his own path entirely changed. He can’t connect to Yingxing’s past goals and passions, seen through the distinct decision made in his character stories to talk about how he can no longer use his hands to forge weapons (something that completely defined Yingxing’s life and legacy, tied to his childhood trauma and hatred of the Abundance, something that became his genuine passion), and how none of that mattered to Blade.
All of this, the ways they foil each other and the separation between their past selves and current, just makes me love their dynamic and their lore a lot. Makes me want to cry most days of my life if I’m honest. And it’s part of why I do take issue with the way nuance has completely left this argument, only having two extremes of “Dan Heng is Dan Feng!” Or “Dan Heng isn’t Dan Heng!” Again… Dan Heng WAS Dan Feng, he wouldn’t be Dan Heng without Dan Feng, but he is still himself. That’s part of the tragedy between them. They are still fundamentally defined and shaped by their past selves, similarities able to be spotted if they can be remembered, but they’ve also experienced so much that has changed them, and they can never truly go back to being Dan Feng and Yingxing. It would never be fully the same again.
#okay rant over#ahahahha#i hate seeing arguments about them#especially on tiktok this is unfortunately where i see the most nuance lost#i just needsd to rant#especially once my brain finally clicked how they foil each other in yet another element#that being ofc the supplement vs fragment style with their past selves#they make me insane#i hate them sm#(i love them way too much#they make me SICK#even if hyv has fucked up a bit in the actual quest writing at times#the sheer level of detail and care put into dan heng and blade’s lore is RAAAHH#i am having allergies#my leg pain is still awful today#and think about these two is only making my health worse HELP#hsr#honkai star rail#hsr blade#yingxing#dan heng#dan feng#renheng#hengren#xingyue#fengxing#I wrote this last night at 1 am but held off posting it until now o7
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For the ask game: Victor Frankenstein, 12 and 21!
I have so many strong opinions on this man you have no idea.
12. What’s a headcanon you have for this character?
Why did I immediately forget any headcanon I’ve ever had. This is soooo basic but I always imagine him with greasy, chin length black hair, so seeing Oscar Isaac’s victor frankenstein have exactly that was a YAY LETS GOOO moment for me (although he is too old to be frankenstein in my head. That is a floppy sad 23 year old.)
Again, not really a headcanon so much an extrapolation of text, but i think he’s a huge perfectionist. He’s the kind of guy who would rewrite his PhD thesis from scratch just to make it “read better”.
21. If you’re a fic writer and have written for this character, what’s your favourite thing to do when you’re writing this character? What’s something you don’t like?
Surprising no one, my favourite thing is to make this man an unreliable narrator. He’s fighting through guilt, grief, and depression, but also he’s the kind of guy who thinks he’s smart enough to laugh in the face of God and nature and create a whole man from scratch perfectly the first time. His mental headspace is bananas and I feel like I haven’t done him justice if I’m not accurately reflecting that.
So I love to have him be like woe is me, I’m so alone, no one understands me, as Elizabeth and Henry are like “hey! I’m here! Maybe eat some soup! Go outside! I’m worried about you!”
Something I don’t like… hmm. I would say simple fix its, or happy endings. The thing that compels me the most is Victor’s spiral into madness and his destructive mutual obsession with the creature. I think there’s a lot of interesting ways to take a fix it, and things worth exploring, i’m just not interested in being the one to explore it.
#the phd headcanon is slightly ripped from my own experience#of negotiating an extra day for my entire senior english class to finish their final essays#and i was already done i just wanted to rewrite mine to edit the wording a bit and make it more streamlined#bc it was an in class handwritten essay#meanwhile my friend beside me was like thank fuck i’m only on my first argument#and i was like wha…?#deer chatters#frankenstien#ask game#thank u bluecat for enabling me to talk about blorbos
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Kevin x fem Aaron brainrot is back & stronger than ever but I don’t even have time to write it because I’m still working through my list of like *checks* 30-something fics I have to write & probably only two people will read it but I am thinking about them so much atm & the subtle changes in their dynamic & how they’d come together so much easier but consequently have a lot more issues earlier on and heeeuuaaaggghhhh fem Aaron x Kevin
#Aaron would get so much more hate from jealous female fans because they can’t uwu fetishise their relationship#Kevin constantly hyping up his doctor gf#I like fem Kevin x Aaron too but I think people would undermine Kevin’s success a bit#and constantly talk about how she’s married to a DOCTOR and it would cause a bit of resentment#even though Aaron would be her no.1 defender and fan#whereas Kevin gets to sing his beautiful gf/wife’s praises while also being a athletic superpower#(fem Kevin is also an athletic superpower but sexism in sports 😔)#fem Aaron more resentful of her carer role in the relationship because of traditional gender roles#they have even more arguments about that until she trains Kevin into shape#subby little Kevin Day doing exactly what Aaron tells him#body worshipping her#and when they’ve been together for years she’ll finally peg him after he’s admitted to liking penetration#RAAAAAAAH FEM AARON X KEVIN#Andrew’s trans in the verse I have in mind so it’s just Aaron stuck in a group of boys#KevAaron
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I don't know who needs to hear this, but character development does not equal a complete personality change.
#zenitsu agatsuma#'zenitsu never really develops' yes he does lol#he steadily gets braver and more confident throughout the series#and does calm down a fair bit#and The Letter™ gives him the final push he needs#it's subtle prior to The Letter™ but it's there#yeah he's still HIM and he still has anxiety#but nd traits don't really go away? anxiety doesn't go away?#maybe i'm better at picking up on it cause I have GAD myself but#i don't get this argument?#kny#demon slayer
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Sometimes I write without a plan and the most nonsensical shit tumbles out lol
#sage writes#in which joe is a little bit of a mansplainer but he's allowed because he's angry atm and it's the t4t au#i think i should finally give in and write in that absurdist style i've always wanted to#bc i often write dialogue and arguments that are sort of bumbling and nonsensical#like not quite nonsensical but just.. absurd. like what are we talking about here boys? we're just thinking out loud.#i fucking love absurdism. i should finally read white noise
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i know I've spoken on this extensively before but it's still so funny to me when ppl point out harumi blaming lloyd illogically for her parents death instead of pythor or whatever as if it's like an actual plothole of her character. If she was "logical" she wouldn't be a crazy evil bitch ok <3
#though i can at least give ppl that i do think the ending of crystallized muddies this comprehension a bit#like i do hold that the actual thing that breaks her in the end is that overlord fills her garm-shaped void in a very half-assed way#so the casual reveal and blatant admittance that he is at fault for the existence of the devourer doesn't just shake her on facts alone#but on the foundation that she can't map the (already tenuous) savior narrative she put onto garm#onto an overlord who basically puts 0 real effort into feeding into her delusions#BUT crystallized's ending is rushed as hell so i don't entirely blame people for just reading it like#she was finally destroyed by hashtag facts and logic#HOWEVER this was an argument i saw even b4 crystallized existed#that she was a stupid character for blaming lloyd when the real people to blame are right fucking there#and I'm just like sorryyy but this all happened when she was like 8 ok#her child brain formulated an understanding of events that just don't map onto reality#and she was never in a good enough place emotionally to challenge that perception
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I just wanna say that in the most positive way possible, your Magis and Hyde piece made me burst into tears. They're so important to me and goseiger is overall so overlooked so the fact something so raw and perfectly THEM now exists from your passion and efforts means the world to me. Thank you
this is very sweet im glad u enjoy my little comic! goseiger really did surprise me with how it handled a number of topics, wuxia-style heroic sacrifices included. it feels worth writing a small thing for at least. im glad what i wrote found good company!
#not art#shingansoul#ngl i also didnt pick up goseiger for a Long time bc of the angel theming lol#and then i did bc i started zenkaiger which was a little bit too rowdy for me at the time and pivoted to goseiger#and perhaps that contrast really highlighted how like. smart goseiger is lmao. it takes itself moderately seriously and it lies to me#(which i love i mostly enjoy being lied to by fiction)#also one of the animal-involved environmentalism seasons but staunchly Not fucking with anything even close to ecofascism!#and also not anthropomorphising any animals meanwhile. its genuinely nice to see#goseiger has Thoughts on matters and it's relentless about letting you know its stance lol. i really do appreciate it#it gave us debate kid hyde its my favourite hyde thing. especially in the third leg whenever metal alice does her propaganda thing#hyde (usually already on the ground from a previous attack) is like you're sealioning. you're whatabouting.#those are not arguments those are emotional appeals to the judge. like yeah hyde baby! correct!#and the fact that he's pretty much never really wrong abt these things makes that moment in the final battle hits harder i think#it just! really impresses me! that they really walked out here after doing a Lot of chambara stuff and knightcoding all the main cast#to be like sorry we were all taught this and it killed at least one of us. it wasn't right. if you fight for joy and happiness#then you cannot throw away your life while doing it. what a damn way to hype up that final powerup
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#i woke up to a blackout today which is inconvenient enough#but i also share the house with people who rely on medical equipment that has no backup generators#so needless to say my morning was a bit taxing#okay google how do i shave without a manual razor in sight while also making sure ppl aren't choking in their sleep#but i managed yk. stressful. but doable.#i was also running late (obvs) which is important to mention bc#the other guy in my house. 65 years old. absolutely started to lose his shit about said blackout.#because 'it's the russians. this is an attack. they're attacking us like they did with spain!!'#bro went into full blown conspiracy theory mode#and somehow i managed to calm him down right? good i can leave for work now. right?#nope. bunch of emergency services started shooting down our street which#makes sense to me. total blackout. people are gonna need help here and there#but no that fuelled him back on. went into a whole panic over this being the beginning of the war or whatever#even after i looked up the outage on a map and it really just hit our rural ass location and nothing else.#it had to be ~ the russians ~#no argument convinced him otherwise#anyway that's the story of why i'm stressed out tf tonight and i really wish i could get a break soon#but finals are around the corner so the next two weeks are gonna be HELL#thinking of taking some pto after that. i'm this close to snapping lol#fucking conspiracy theories i swear
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A Klingon and a half Vulcan participate in a myriad of rituals.
#S'veyk#Ehergha#beas ocs#star trek ocs#klingon oc#vulcan oc#Ehergha is a very intense person who'll stare at you while he speaks#while S'veyk is likely to look away#They once got into a bit of an argument about that and how she spoke to him so quietly (this was before they were in a relationship)#and she finally admitted that she has difficulty looking and speaking to him in part because she felt very strongly for him#and was unused to it. Ehergha was quiet for a moment then told her it was fine then - as long as it wasn't due to cowardly hatred.#S'veyk : No. Decidedly not hatred.#<- Ehergha thought of those words for weeks and a month later he initiated a courtship#also the lower comic strip is them wrestling (pre relationship). Ostensibly to see how strong the other is after#flirt-banter about oh Klingons have victory running through their veins welll Vulcans might be naturally stronger blablabla#but in the end I think they just get a bit worked up from touching each other so much#bea art tag#also Ehergha asked if she knew any martial arts/self defense and S'veyk said she knew some Vulcan techniques#and he essentially said 'baby shit. lemme show you some REAL moves' <- how it starts.
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Chapters: 1/1 Fandom: Final Fantasy XIV Rating: Teen And Up Audiences Warnings: No Archive Warnings Apply Relationships: Azem/Emet-Selch/Hythlodaeus/Original Character, Azem/Emet-Selch (Final Fantasy XIV) Characters: Azem (Final Fantasy XIV), Emet-Selch (Final Fantasy XIV), Hythlodaeus (Final Fantasy XIV), Original Final Fantasy XIV Characters Additional Tags: Canon Compliant, the oc is another ancient obviously, The Final Days (Final Fantasy XIV), Amaurot (Final Fantasy XIV), Break Up, Angst, Named Azem (Final Fantasy XIV), Male Azem (Final Fantasy XIV), Established Relationship, which is in the process of being unestablished, Tempering (Final Fantasy XIV), POV Emet-Selch (Final Fantasy XIV) Series: Part 1 of your boldness stands alone among the wreck Summary:
He has never been particularly aligned to the Light, nor has he made a habit of utilizing Light-aligned spells when he fights, but his aetheric balance is skewed and he can sense it, and it makes every spell he casts, no matter how minor, behave differently. Hythlodaeus had been horrified, when Emet-Selch had first come home in the wake of the summoning, though he hadn’t spoken of it; he’d merely pulled Emet-Selch into a tight, clinging hug and asked if it was over, then.
No, Emet-Selch had said, because even then they had already known that Etheirys was still dead. But we will end it soon, this I swear to you. - In the aftermath of Zodiark's summoning, the Convocation gathers to discuss the next sacrifice. Azem and his best friend leave Amaurot. Emet-Selch is left behind with the wreckage.
#ffxiv#ffxiv fic#hythazemet#emet selch#hythlodaeus#azem#oc: seleukos#my fic#okay i've been working on this one for a bit but it's FINE it's finally done!#10.5k words of angst and breakups and arguments. good times#hades is having a bad day as always
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(HI BLUE!!!) I've never failed to notice how mistreated and/or bullied silver has been in the comics and games, so what if he went evil over a long period of time? With the words "Do better" and "get out of my sight" thrown at him (especially in archie) I have a feeling he wouldnt exactly love it tbh.
Hello! ^-^ If I'm being quite honest, that is one of the things I really did not like about the pre-reboot Archie comics. Not only is Silver a dumbass who rudely accuses people left and right with very limited and lacking information as his guide (which is still somewhat understandable since his future was in ruin and only few people in the past seemed remotely willing to help), I just... Heck, I hate how they characterised Sonic there. Sonic wouldn't do the things he did to Silver in Archie, plain and simple. He'd eventually get irked, yes, but what I appreciate about Sonic in the games is that in '06, he's quick to accept Silver's change of heart and sees that he only means well for the future, and in Rivals he remains his chipper self most of the time even when Silver is being blunt. And they make up, and Silver clearly respects Sonic at the end of both games! I cannot see either of those Sonics drag Silver throughout an entire town by his quills to throw him head-first into a hospital bed. Nor would Sonic from the games tell Silver to fuck off in such a manner. And that whole thing with Lanolin in IDW has left quite a sour taste in my mouth too, not gonna lie. If there is anyone who needs to 'do better' it is her, with the complete life-threatening failure of a first mission concluded under her leadership and her general bossy personality she is aware of yet makes no improvements on to change for the better. So yeah, Silver is indeed the no-respect guy from both comics. It's just not fun to see such things happen to my favourite character, especially because the other characters are either being wildly OOC assholes or in-character assholes to facilitate it. But that was a bit of a rant, apologies.
Still, I do not think Silver would turn outright evil. I can see him become more withdrawn and even more short-tempered, with the decision that if people are so unwilling to help him he'll just have to go completely solo and take matters into his own hands quickly following. And that would actually cause a lot more trouble for the heroes, because Silver has mostly no qualms against murder, is highly OP so very difficult to defeat in a fight where he is giving his all, is more deceivable than most others and thus might be entirely on the wrong path despite he himself believing he is doing the right thing, etcetera. His intentions would still be heroic, but his actions would be more anti-hero- or even villainous-like. Which is unfortunate, because with only one or two good conversations where he is taken seriously and maybe some brawls to knock some sense into him, none of it would have been necessary in the first place. But yes, I can imagine he is hurt and bothered by how he gets brushed off by the heroes, and that is a prime situation for him to go do things by himself if no-one takes him seriously. And that could cause more trouble than it is worth... Hmm, I cannot see someone like Archie!Sonic apologise for not listening and taking Silver seriously, but who knows what we'll get in IDW when the whole plotline with Duo/Mimic is resolved. We'll only be sure once the issues have been released, for better or for worse.
#UGH and then he FINALLY gets the right person and the SUPER GENESIS WAVE happened so all his mistreatment was for NOTHING in Archie#unsatisfactory ending of the whole pre-super genesis wave really :/#silver the hedgehog#and the thing is‚ I actually am quite happy with how *Silver* is characterised in IDW issue 63!#I've seen people point out some drawbacks that made me go like 'oh yes those are good points' but overall he's just really like how I-#imagine a good Silver is characterised (friendly and humble on one hand but a bit smug about his powers and not so adept at social things-#-like solving arguments)#it's just that Lanolin is unnecessarily bitchy despite NOT having the right to talk that way to the hero who saved the entire world and-#-Whisper suddenly doesn't dare speak up when Silver is getting scolded#and of course the fact that we already *know* Silver is completely in the right here but you know. we'll see what comes of that
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bumping this in celebration of the fact that, after an entire week of being "in review", tumblr finally decided that a string of emojis was not worth being censored for Mature Themes
adrien has always been a very supportive wingman
bonus:
#ml spoilers#ml s5 spoilers#ml s5 finale spoilers#ml recreation#ml re-creation#recreation spoilers#re-creation spoilers#my argument in my appeal was essentially just ''this is a bit extreme dont you think'' lmao. glad they agreed ig#but annoying it was censored in the first place. and that it took a whole week for it to be corrected
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I'm a big fan of wizards-as-programmers, but I think it's so much better when you lean into programming tropes.
A spell the wizard uses to light the group's campfire has an error somewhere in its depths, and sometimes it doesn't work at all. The wizard spends a lot of his time trying to track down the exact conditions that cause the failure.
The wizard is attempting to create a new spell that marries two older spells together, but while they were both written within the context of Zephyrus the Starweaver's foundational work, they each used a slightly different version, and untangling the collisions make a short project take months of work.
The wizard has grown too comfortable reusing old spells, and in particular, his teleportation spell keeps finding its components rearranged and remixed, its parts copied into a dozen different places in the spellbook. This is overall not actually a problem per se, but the party's rogue grows a bit concerned when the wizard's "drying spell" seems to just be a special case of teleportation where you teleport five feet to the left and leave the wetness behind.
A wizard is constantly fiddling with his spells, making minor tweaks and changes, getting them easier to cast, with better effects, adding bells and whistles. The "shelter for the night" spell includes a tea kettle that brings itself to a boil at dawn, which the wizard is inordinately pleased with. He reports on efficiency improvements to the indifference of anyone listening.
A different wizard immediately forgets all details of his spells after he's written them. He could not begin to tell you how any of it works, at least not without sitting down for a few hours or days to figure out how he set things up. The point is that it works, and once it does, the wizard can safely stop thinking about it.
Wizards enjoy each other's company, but you must be circumspect about spellwork. Having another wizard look through your spellbook makes you aware of every minor flaw, and you might not be able to answer questions about why a spell was written in a certain way, if you remember at all.
Wizards all have their own preferences as far as which scripts they write in, the formatting of their spellbook, its dimensions and material quality, and of course which famous wizards they've taken the most foundational knowledge from. The enlightened view is that all approaches have their strengths and weaknesses, but this has never stopped anyone from getting into a protracted argument.
Sometimes a wizard will sit down with an ancient tome attempting to find answers to a complicated problem, and finally find someone from across time who was trying to do the same thing, only for the final note to be "nevermind, fixed it".
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I've finally figured out an argument that convinces coding tech-bros that AI art is bad.
Got into a discussion today (actually a discussion, we were both very reasonable and calm even through I felt like committing violence) with a tech-bro-coded lady who claimed that people use AI in coding all the time so she didn't see why it mattered if people used AI in art.
Obviously I repressed the surge of violence because that would accomplish nothing. Plus, this lady is very articulate, the type who makes claims and you sit there thinking no that's wrong it must be but she said it so well you're kind of just waffling going but, no, wait-- so I knew I had to get this right if I was gonna come out of this unscathed.
The usual arguments about it being about the soul of it and creation fell flat, in fact she was adamant that anyone who believed that was in fact looking down at coding as an art form as she insisted it is. Which, sure, you can totally express yourself through coding. There's a lot more nuance as to the differences but clearly I was not going to win this one.
The other people I was with (literally 8 people anti-ai against her, but you can't change the mind of someone who doesn't want to listen and she just kept accusing us of devaluing coding as an art) took over for I kid you not 15 minutes while I tried desperately to come up with a clear and articulate way to explain the difference to her. They tried so many reasonable arguments, coding being for a function ("what, art doesn't serve a function?") coding being many discrete building blocks that you put together differently, and the AI simply provides the blocks and you put it together yourself ("isn't that what prompt building is") that it's bad for the environment ("but not if it's used for capitalism, hm?" "Yeah literally that's how capitalism works it doesn't care about the environment" she didn't like that response)
But I finally got it.
And the answer is: It's not about what you do, it's about what you claim to be.
Imagine that someone asks an AI to write a code and, by some miracle, it works perfectly without them having to tweak it---which is great because they couldn't tell you what a single solitary thing in that code means.
Now imagine this person, with their code that they don't know how it works, goes and applies to be a coder somewhere, presenting this AI code as proof that they're qualified.
Should they be hired?
She was horrified, of course. Of course they shouldn't be. They're not qualified. They can't actually code, and even if by some miracle they did have an AI successfully write a flawless code for every issue they came across that wouldn't be their code, you could hire any shmuck on the street to do that, no reason to pay someone like they're creating something.
When actual engineers use AI what they do is get some kind of base, which they then go though and check for problems and then if they find any they fix them, and add on to the base code with their own knowledge instead of just trying different prompt after prompt until they randomly come across one that works.
People who generate code like this don't usually call themselves engineers. They're people who needed a bit of code and didn't have the knowledge to generate it, and so used a resource.
And there you go. There are people who have none of the skills of artists, they don't practice, they don't create for themselves. When they feed the prompt to the AI they then don't just use the resulting image as a reference point for their own personal masterpiece, and if they don't like it they don't have the skills to change it---they simply try another prompt, and do that until they get something they like.
These people are calling themselves artists.
Not only that, these people are bringing the AI generated thing to interviews, and they are getting hired, leaving people who slave over their craft out of the job.
And that is the difference, for the tech bros who think AI art isn't a big deal.
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