#the problem with this fandom in particular

[cilil]

Sorry to yoink your comment @tsushimahirai but I think it really hits the nail on the head and people should see it

a feel like the new generation of fanfic readers NEED to understand that clicking on a fic (interaction) does nothing. ao3 has no algorithm. your private discord discussions of fic do not reach the authors. if you do not actively engage with writers they will stop posting. this isn’t social media this is community.

[all-pacas]

Can you go into a bit more about all the times Chase has been unnecessarily jealous?

so even though fandom/hameron shippers/etc tend to take it as a Canon Fact, chase is actually the only person to suspect that fwb-era cameron is trying to make house jealous. he brings it up repeatedly, in top secret and fetal position. chase is generally speaking perceptive and tends to be pretty spot on about cameron in particular, but cameron actually doesn't seem too concerned with house's feelings — she's a little bothered, but also very much keeps sleeping with chase after house knows, even if getting a reaction from house was the goal… well, cameron failed, and isn't too upset about it. cameron never pursues house after s1 (and from s1 we know she would have if she felt she had a chance), and yet chase alone is sure she is madly in love with him.

half wit: quick and not a big deal, but when the kids show up at house's to tell him he doesn't have cancer, foreman has a line about how house should be "making out with cameron" and chase gives him a quick, unhappy look. i wouldn't call this unncessarily jealous tbh, but it does show that he's already worried about this.

no more mr nice guy: maybe house has an std, and chase is worried cameron slept with him. i'll cut him some slack, i think it's fair that he ask her… but not in front of literally everyone they know, and not the way he did, where he takes her refusal to answer as "proof" they slept together and is in a clear snit the rest of the episode. especially because he knows they never slept together; cameron says as much, in his presence, in half wit. and even if they had, it would have been long before he and cameron got together, so … whatever. but once again, chase is going around acting like he's in a love triangle when he truly is not.

saviors: chase briefly floats the idea that cameron is in love with house when he's trying to figure out why she's ghosting him. he doesn't seem all that concerned about it, or all that convinced of the theory. i kind of give him a pass for this one -- he's trying to figure out why she's ghosting him and has a right to be upset about it -- but again: when chase is feeling insecure, he immediately jumps to cameron wants house, not me.

under my skin: chase's problem with the sperm is that he very clearly takes it as "cameron cares more about her dead husband than me." we see he spends most of the episode arguing that "she has [him] now," "she found someone [himself]", she likes "him" better. he eventually shifts this to "she doesn't really want to marry me, she isn't sure about us." i don't know if i'd say he's jealous of her dead husband, but he's absolutely insecure and, as usual, assuming he's cameron's second or third choice. luckily, this time chase gets over it pretty quickly and does the right thing (realizes she's obviously not in love with her dead husband, and just has trouble letting go).

lockdown: the big one! chase immediately moves the goalposts from i murdered a guy and my wife left me to my wife actually never loved me in the first place. this is a huge fucking retcon, but sadly it's completely in line with chase (and even he later admits, in the episode, that "if you never loved me, i never did anything wrong", that it is self-protection and he knows it is not true). but as usual, when chase is feeling insecure, he jumps straight to cameron wanted anyone but me. (in s3, foreman makes a whole point about how cameron dumping chase is out of character because when has cameron ever been apathetic?; funny how in lockdown chase falls into the same trap again.)

in a very lukewarm defense of chase: considering his parents and his own issues, i do sympathize a little with him; he is used to love needing to be earned and conditional and being taken away, i think he probably really does feel like he's second or third best for cameron and worries she, like his parents, will eventually leave him because he isn't good enough for them. that said, boy is he a jealous little baby sometimes, and it is not one of his better qualities.

[nosferatuix]

I love how you write Shoko. Too many people make her the normal one of sashisu, as if anyone who willingly hung around those two could possibly be normal, when she's kind of a freak(affectionate) who was a little too interested in cutting Yuji up and has a drinking and smoking problem and emotionally detached and avoidant. But some people go too far and make her a genuine idgafer when she IS a very caring person just stunted. aside from how she cares for her friends, she told Yuji he didn't kill anyone and accompanied Megumi to mourn Tsumiki and wanted to make her look good in the afterlife. I think you balance the sides of her character really well without making her too normal or too detached

thankyeww you have no idea how much this means to me. i used to think i was too particular/picky regarding shoko's characterization in fics because my interpretation of her character usually clashed with the general stance of a big chunk of the fandom. too many people really do try to water her character down to make her normal or nice to make sure we drill it in our heads that stsg were grade a assholes, but we see shoko willingly hanging out with two people who relentlessly bully someone she's very close with – she's an asshole too, she's just not annoying about it like the other two are! she has a serious problem with admitting to/expressing her feelings and does not display emotion in front of people she actually loves and cares about, sure – call it occupational deformation if you will because so do other sorcerers and especially because she's a bit desensitized to hurt/dead people – but she cares. this has been proven time and time again in almost every scene we see her, especially the ones you've mentioned. (i especially love the panel of her saying she doesn't believe in an afterlife but still goes above and beyond to fix someone up so that they'd look nice there if there is one. that's just so kind and it's simply for the sake of being kind because it's a kindness she shows to people she thinks won't/can't appreciate her kindness, because, well, she doesn't believe in an afterlife and she just thinks they're gone forever. i love her)

too many people give her shit or try to justify her saying she doesn't care what happens to satoru's body after he dies, claiming he didn't care for her because he called suguru his only friend so she doesn't owe him respect/care, but i think that's such a shallow interpretation!!! she totally had a moment where her mind went completely blank and yuta of all people had to remind her that they had to transfer him to satoru's body as soon as possible. i feel like scenes like this only proved that my understanding of her character was at least a tad bit correct in the sense that she's not a total idgafer at all, it's just that sorcerers aren't allowed to care like us normal people do. truth be told, i don't think we have ever seen any adult sorcerer actively looking like they care? idk i really like exploring shoko's characterization in this sense bc she feels very realistic to me. i'm glad i was able to balance these two approaches bc i really worked hard on making sure i don't mess it up lol

[sameenbyhat]

The problem is that it is difficult to find space in fandom to discuss nonromantic or nonsexual interpretations for intimate or important relationships.

The problem is for me. The problem is for all the people who responded to my changing the tags on a fic from / to & by saying "I don't see enough fanfiction that treats nonromantic relationships as important."

The problem is that I was afraid to change those tags, even though I am aromantic. Even though I should not feel obliged to interpret a relationship in a particular way, I was afraid to remove a romance I had only hinted at.

I don't know baileythebean meant. I can't speak for anyone else.

But I have a problem where when I say I enjoy a relationship people assume I mean I enjoy reading it as a romance.

A lot of people are being a lot better about that than I expected, but I didn't learn that fear from publishers. I learned it from fans.

I am talking to fan creators. We're here, too. We're queer, too.

We're allowed to want to see ourselves in literature.

And we're allowed to be upset when people tell us we're reading fiction wrong.

The problem I have is not that people write romantic fanfic for relationships that I don't read as romantic. The problem I have is that some of my fellow fans treat my reading as inferior.

the duality of trying to explain that some relationships in fictional media can and should be interpreted as platonic because friends/family CAN IN FACT be very close and affectionate without it having some romantic context behind it and that we shouldn’t take away from ace and aro representation by using ‘oh but aces/aros can still be in relationships!’ As a simple excuse to ship them

AND

trying to explain that some characters have heavily queer-coded/romance-coded relationships that may have not become canon, but are quite obviously there if you pay attention and that some explicit relationship definition (especially for queer relationships) might be replaced by using best friend/family terminology because of censorship.

[simplepotatofarmer]

the absolute irony of this addition to one of my posts is that this person later goes on to dehumanize the exact person i was talking about when i said 'even them'.

and that's why you have to be so careful not to let your dislike of someone turn into a willingness to take away their humanity.

[cdr2002]

I hate fandom moral police lmao, I get it. Someone tried to tell me like five characters I’m not allowed to like by extension of Gul Dukat making me uncomfortable once. It was annoying.

While I agree, Section 31 are, at least in the way I interpret their DS9 appearances, unambiguously villains, but also outside of the novels they have no coherent arc, so I kinda get why people have a problem with them even if I don’t as much. Later series muddy the waters with characters we are meant to like who are associated with the organization such as Malcom Reed and Ash Tyler, but these can be seen as a bit of greyness shading that particular character, or that character can be interpreted as an antihero, and thus not someone we’re mean to 100% root for.

There’s also a very narrow “they exist in opposition of Julian Bashir specifically and are designed for that narrative function” read of Section 31 but I don’t find that idea interesting in macrocosm or useful to the discussion.

I think the question of the Borg and genocide is in the way that one shuts down the Collective. Janeway’s virus, from what I can tell, largely freed drones or rendered them in stasis. The shit they were suggesting in “I, Borg” sounds a lot more like genocide to me and I’m glad Picard and co chose to abort, and it really shows a dark side of Nacheyev and Starfleet Command when they’re mad Picard didn’t do it later. The reason I have a problem with the idea of genociding is not because the Collective is a culture in need of preserving, but because every single drone is a captive person who deserves freedom and should only be mercy killed if there is no other immediate option. (And sometimes our heroes can try harder than they do, as Lily critiques Picard got with Ensign Lynch)

Individual characters like Picard or Sisko opposing the Maquis because of who those individual characters are make sense, I agree. I try, and maybe this is cope, to interpret the “actually this was always hopeless” thing as Sisko’s personal opinion and see the narrative of Eddington’s final episode as rightfully presenting a tragedy, even if previous episodes critiqued the Maquis for the glory seeking of some of its members. I do think Sisko and Eddington are both equally up in their own pride for most of their interactions and none of their friends on either side will tell them no.

I also view the Thomas Riker episode as a critique of people who join fights to be validated. I like Thomas so I don’t want to say “white guy at a BLM March” but I struggle to think of something else right now. I don’t see Kira as saying the Maquis as a whole are doing it wrong, there’s actually a strong current of Maquis-Bajoran solidarity in the franchise further bolstered by beta canon it might be too much of a side tangent to get into. I think Kira is trying to tell Thomas that he is doing it wrong and is going to get his fellow Maquis killed.

So I for one see the Maquis as flawed but not in the wrong, but I think it’s fair, despite my takes, if someone sees the media as outright condemning them. Like that’s not unreasonable. Main characters as the moral authority is common in fiction. Star Trek is just usually more nuanced so sometimes I notice when I think main characters are wrong or not seeing the whole picture.

Regarding fandom and even certain creators, I think some have an easier time condemning the Maquis than Section 31 because the Maquis fight in opposition to the dream utopia while Section 31 ultimately seeks to preserve it. While I see these things as facets that make Section 31 interesting nuanced antagonists, who believe in an optimistic future, just not for themselves because they view themselves as needing to do the dirty work, and that frames the Maquis as an example that this seemingly utopian future doesn’t always get it right and an ideal society is something we must continuously work towards, others see it as one group opposing their dream and one darkly enforcing it, I think. I could be talking out my ass.

Others still condemn both groups and don’t want to have to deal with the moral implications of either because they can’t handle Starfleet being wrong in one direction or another.

This may have been slightly incoherent but hey thought rambles. Hope this was interesting and I didn’t make an idiot of myself

TNG: The Maquis are an example of governments screwing over native groups and also show an ugly side of the Federation where they are legally correct but morally in the wrong

DS9: the Maquis are disillusioned people, horny for personal glory, fighting for a cause that may be righteous but they’re doing it wrong. Also they’re theatre kids so bombing them for space is morally correct

Voyager: The captain is the most stick-in-the-mud will-always-follow-the-rules Captain we’ve ever had and her first officer is a principled man who left Starfleet to fight with the Maquis for his homeland. Oh god oh god oh god. Girls are shipping them. Abort! Abort! Maybe if we ignore the characters’ canonical devotion to each other while never challenging or explaining it (or the conflict between a rule following Captain depending so much on a man who broke those rules for righteous reasons) the girls will get their icky hands off our cool explosion show for boys.

Picard: Ro betrayed daddy Picard Starfleet when she joined with the Maquis but she’s spent her career making up for that

Prodigy: Chakotay was wrong to join the maquis but his intimate yet undefined relationship ship with Janeway cured him. Remember kids; the government always has your best interests in mind and there’s never a reason to raise up against them or resist them in any way. Don’t read the Hunger Games

[lakesidepurple]

voicing opinions in a fandom is so hard. I'll be like "hey i dont think its right to boil [character] down into a weak pathetic boring fandom archetype bottom" and someone else will reply with "i totally agree!!! [other character] is obviously the weak pathetic bottom in this ship dynamic!!!!" and im like. no. that is not actually what i said.

[kiwisandpearls]

I’ve complained about this numerous times before but I will complain about it again because people just keep doing it.

why do people feel the need to tag their canon x oc stuff as canon x reader. There not the same thing and they are not intended to be the same thing and it is so frustrating trying to sift through x reader tags and constantly getting jumpscared by someone’s canon x oc artwork.

[theotherbuckley]

Guys can we start tagging negativity with #911 negativity or #discourse or alike? Not to devalue anyones opinions, that’s fair, but I’d like to be able to filter negativity out.

[starryeyedstray]

see the stats of how many people pulled the lever vs didn't pull the lever on the original website below:

15% of people pulled the lever, 85% of people did nothing (as of June 17, 2025)

[woodchipp]

I'm not exactly a fan of this game (to put it mildly lmao) but ngl I think it speaks of a miserable climate in the fandom at large when even the fans are evidently "afraid" to criticize the work they love, feel the need to be "allowed" to criticize it and/or feel the need to preface the posts analyzing the writing in a positive light with those big paragraph-long disclaimers. That last one in particular is especially sad. Like I'm sorry but it sounds more like you're begging the king not to send you to the gallows

[stupidrant]

im seeing the pattern of being an atreus/angrboda fan (or u just like them) and having to go through this weird initiation process of: liking them in the game (wether its themselves, their relationship or both), then trying to find content of them only to be shocked to see a bunch of haters (on both sides but angrboda gets it the worst and thrud is often times oddly used against her), only to then get severely disappointed and realize u probably have to do a bit of contribution yourself which isnt bad but it sucks when its characters that are ridiculously hated 😭😭😭

[llumimoon]

guys can we Please stop giving brown or black characters blue eyes im so sick of ittttt IM SICK OF ITTTTT

[thevioletcaptain]

people posting fandom takes online should have to include a note to say how long it has been since they actually engaged with canon. i think this would save us all a lot of time and energy currently being wasted arguing with people who have no idea what they’re talking about.

[marietheran-archived]

some of y'all would have bought finnick tbh

[loganremade]

if you support, make or share ai generated images get fucked. it’s wrong in so many levels, and now disgusting people are using it to make revenge porn. this is what we’ve been fearing, and now it’s a reality. fuck you if you’ve contributed to this in any way, shape or form