#theory

[eroshiyda]

What if Noelle is the Knight (they've never been in the same room at the same time)?

guys i might've figured something out i'm pretty sure the roaring knight's roar sound effect comes from noelle's scream below are 3 audio files, one is noelle's scream sound effect, one is the same but slowed and pitched down, and one is the roaring knight's roar

[failurenumber3]

Ralsei is holding back

Let me explain. In chapter 2 we see Ralsei trying not to learn how to ACT because that's what Kris does. Unlike Susie who didn't think about it until then, Ralsei made a conscious effort not to ACT. In Chapter 4 we see him doing something similar multiple times. When he fights a Balthizard, he can use "LightUp" which uses fire magic. He hasn't used fire magic like this before or after and it hasn't been stated he learned this. This is also the chapter where we learn Ralsei can float which hasn't been shown or mentioned in previous chapter. It's seems like hes hiding his magical abilities. We also have to acknowledge that he beat the gerson statue with ease. This again shows hes holding back his true strength. Keep in mind this chapter talks about ralsei not telling us everything about the prophecy so we know he's fine with hiding things so it wont worry us. So why does he hides his strength? Is it because he wants to protect us? Or is it because he wants protect the prophecy?

[undying-love]

Hi! I've been reading your posts lately and I've been wondering what's you take on what really happened between John and Paul and the breakup of their relationship. I've heard many theories but I don't know what to think

Hello! I usually avoid saying my own opinions and instead let the quotes speak by themselves, but yes, I do have a theory about what went down. I had been analysing this for quite some time and thought about all the possible scenarios based on things said by John, Paul and other insiders. Right now, this is what I think:

I know it’s a popular theory that John had long repressed feelings for Paul and that he, for some reason, waited until 1968 in India to make a move, and Paul, being an "immovable heterosexual” didn’t reciprocate his feelings and rejected him in some way. I don’t buy this at all, and I have said it before. I don't think that John would have waited that long to make a move. I do believe that they had something going, even if it was not consummated, but they were definitely more than friends and I believe they were both in love with each other. The feelings weren't one-sided. But I think that after homosexuality was decriminalized in the UK in 1967, John wanted to have a more serious or open relationship with Paul. Paul, on the other hand, as much as he loved John, wanted a “complete family life” (like John once said).

I remember Maggie McGivern saying that she could see that Paul wanted to have kids. So he probably thought that he could get married and settle down and still have and continue whatever he always had with John, even back when he was dating Jane and John was married to Cynthia. But John wanted something more exclusive and open, so he was obviously hurt by this. That's why, when asked about the main differences between him and Paul, he talks about Paul wanting a "complete family life": “Paul always wanted the home life, you see. He liked it with daddy and the brother… and obviously missed his mother. [...] It was always the family thing, you see. If Jane was to have a career, then that’s not going to be a cozy family, is it? All the other girls were just groupies mainly. And with Linda not only did he have a ready-made family, but she knows what he wants, obviously, and has given it to him. The complete family life.”

If what they had was a normal friendship, this shouldn't be a problem at all. People get married all the time and continue having their old friends. All of them were married, except Paul, and had kids, and they were still friends and still in the band. So why would Paul wanting to have a "normal" family life damage his relationship with John? So what John did was to get serious with Yoko, and one of the reasons for this was to cause a reaction in Paul. Magic Alex said this, “Knowing John, I believe the reason he picked Yoko was that he wanted a negative reaction. He knew he could have any girl. And the girls, who were nice-looking, couldn't stand them. [...] He needed as well very, very much a friend. A male friend. And with Yoko, he managed to combine both. He replaced a male in his life plus a female.”  And Peter Brown said, “Why this odd little Japanese lady? The reason, many people believed, was that more than a trophy wife, a model or an actress, John needed a chum. His love affair with Paul McCartney was ending." Yoko said that John told her he liked her because she “looked like a man in drag”, that she “was like a mate”. And John also said “It’s a plus that your best friend can hold you without….I mean I'm not a homosexual or we could have had a homsexual relationship and that would have satisfied it, working with other male artists.” What I think he was trying to say is that “your best friend can hold you without being judged by society”, or something like that.

John clearly wanted to have a public and serious relationship with his “best friend”.  So when we see Philip Norman, after talking to Yoko, saying that John wanted to have an affair with Paul, but was "deterred" by Paul's "immovable heterosexuality” (which btw, was a term that came from him, not Yoko or John. Someone reached out to him to ask him about that phrase and he said that he was the one who came up with it), I instead take this to mean that John wanted a serious and more public relationship with Paul, but that didn't happen because Paul wanted to have a family and live an openly heterosexual life. That's probably what hurt John deeply. Paul probably thought he would eventually marry Jane and start a family, but still became jealous when John and Yoko were together. Francie said that when John visited them, “all he could talk about was how much he loved Yoko”, and that this “disturbed Paul”. Paul himself has said that he was jealous but felt he had to make way for Yoko. He said “if [John] was to start a new relationship, he had to put this other one away."

Paul was in a very bad state in 1968, and was "desperate to settle down” (I don't remember if it was Maggie or Francie who said this) until, luckily, he finally did with Linda. Although he loved her, I don't think he was 100% certain about marrying her at first. Remember what Paul said about them having a huge fight the night before the wedding and almost called it off. Paul had spent the day before the wedding in the studio. When the session ended late that night, he did not return to Cavendish but went to Maggie’s house. Maggie said, “there was no car, no cab, so he must have walked. He was scruffy, unshaven and in a terrible state–he couldn’t even talk, just held on to me. I was trying to ask what was wrong but not to make a noise because my teenage brother was staying with me and was asleep in the same room. After about an hour, he just left.” That’s not how someone who is sure of his decision to get married would act.

And I don’t think that he was crying because he wanted to be with Maggie instead of Linda. My theory is that getting married meant that whatever he had with John before was over. Paul himself said, “I think we spurred each other into marriage. I mean, you know...They were very strong together, which left me out of the picture. So I got together with Linda and then we got our own kind of thing.” And even though he wasn't 100% sure, he went through with the wedding.

John, as soon as he heard the news, decided to respond to that and get married immediately as well, as if saying, “So you moved on? Fine, I will too.” Peter Brown explained this very well, "One week and one day after Paul married Linda, I received a phone call from John. He and Yoko were at the Hôtel Plaza Athénée in Paris and wanted to get married immediately. People believe that John's desire to get married so soon after Paul's marriage was a knee-jerk reaction. Perhaps it was psychologically about breaking up with Paul.”  So I think, in summary, that Paul's feelings about this pretty much were “I loved him and he loved me. But I wanted a family and he couldn't give me that. And he wanted more than I could give. I thought we could keep our love quiet, behind the curtain. But he wanted to live out loud. So he found someone who said yes.”

[vampimich]

About Lea and her apprentices

----- LIES OF P OVERTURE SPOILERS -----

I remember when the first impressions of the DLC came out (alongside the early spoilers), I saw a few comments saying that Lea only cared about Romeo as her apprentice and that basically that she didn’t actually care about Carlo.

And I’m ngl, as I played through Overture, I was dying inside because she barely mentioned Carlo at all. But after the ending, oh, that painful ending, I saw just how deeply she loved him.

And I just wanted to yap about that.

Just hearing Lea’s recollection from her room in the Eventide Hotel was enough for me to understand the depth of her love for him.

She talks about how much she appreciated the company of both of them; the happy moments they shared together. But I’m sure that after she broke ties with the Monad family, everything became pitch black for her.

She left them, thinking that by doing so, they’d be safe from the abyss she herself had fallen into… only to find Carlo dead soon after.

From everything Neowiz gave us, the letters, the voice lines, the recollections, the Record , it’s clear just how much she loved them both.

I can only imagine the devastation she felt when she found Carlo’s lifeless, pale body. The guilt. The anger. The grief.

Her depression after leaving the Monad family was so strong that she pushed away the people who had become her found family. But losing Carlo was a different kind of pain. So unbearable and crushing that she could no longer isolate herself. She had to come back. She had to protect Romeo from suffering the same fate as her youngest apprentice.

These were her children. Her feisty, hyperactive, kind, and silly children. Because that’s what they were to her,  just as she once was to Valentinus.

“The feelings inside me as I watch my apprentices grow make me wonder if you felt the same way gazing at me.”

I don’t know if she saw herself as their mother, but she took them in. Trained them. Fed them. Gave them a roof over their heads. And the three of them shared so many wonderful moments, not just as stalkers or teacher and students, but as friends. As family.

She watched them grow. She felt happiness and pride at their progress. They were both so, so dear to her.

And if I may theorize a little, maybe Carlo accepted the Alchemists’ invitation to the Devil’s Pit in hopes of helping Lea. Maybe he wanted to find out what was really going on between the Alchemists and Valentinus.

If Lea was so depressed that she distanced herself from both her families, then something bad must’ve been happening. And Carlo, with his likely abandonment issues, wouldn’t have stood by and done nothing.

He wasn’t going to lose anyone else.

And that determination led him straight to his death.

So now Lea was afraid. Terrified. She was struck with the realization that she hadn’t made the most of her time with Carlo. And if she wasn’t careful, she was going to lose Romeo too.

She couldn’t let that happen again.

That’s why she was so overprotective of her last remaining apprentice. Her need to find and save Romeo almost felt like an obsession, but how can we blame her, after losing Carlo like that?

After losing him in such a terrible, cruel way?

And of course she mourned him, and continued to do so. She said every time she played Survivor, she thought of him.

It must have been painful just to look at the picture of the three of them. Or the painting. But she had to keep going. Because Romeo was still alive. He needed her, now more than ever, because he too had lost Carlo and was devastated.

Carlo couldn’t be saved anymore. But Romeo could. And if there was anything Lea could do to avoid having her heart broken like that again, she would do it, even if it meant giving her life away.

Besides, I think she was more at peace because she knew she was dying. She’d be able to see Carlo soon. So it’s not that she didn’t miss him, or only cared about Romeo, but things were already in motion. Romeo could still live, and she would soon be reunited with Carlo and make up for the time she couldn’t be by his side.

They really were a family. And it hurts so much that the three of them ended the way they did. But if anything, P was able to give them closure in his own way. Because in the end, they all got to meet one last time under the dawn. 🥺

[flovey-dovey]

I'm down with like 89% of this but what still gets me is why Temperance seemed so terrified/willing to help keep Mel a secret, like they'd made a promise with Ken or something... Like, did they help Ken escape since they didn't want anything bad to happen to Mel either??? But then how would they know Ken would be good enough to keep her safe?

I think Ken didn't want to let her go on the mission for the same reason he agreed to go on it with her, to keep her safe in the long run.

There had to be something between Ken and Temperance though, otherwise Ken wouldn't have let Temperance go to begin with (and who even took the picture of Mel and Temp?). He seemed so angry at their picture (the one Mel had in the heist folder) and it's my own theory that it was because there even was a picture of them taken (ie Temp got "sloppy" and had thus lost Ken's trust). Oh but then why would Ken not know where Temp's lab was... Hmmmmm...

Aaaaaajdjdojcbcbf can we please get them greenlit for a full season so we can find out??? 🙏 TTuTT

GASLIGHT DISTRICT THEORY

My theory is that Ken attempted to do the exact plan Mel made (break into heaven, steal the human egg, and kill it), but was there a bit too late and Mel had already hatched. He was then caught by the virtues, and that's how he got sent to the inferno

We know that he escaped, so I think that when he escaped, he took Mel in an attempt to still salvage his plan and try to kill her, but in the end couldn't bring himself to do it since she was a helpless baby at the time, and so he took her in as an adoptive daughter

And THAT was why he got sent to the inferno AND why he was so hesitant about Mel's plan at the start. Because he already tried it, and it made him have to conceal the fact Mel was human

[iteratorsex]

Connections between warp regions is much less random than you think

I believe it might actually be connected with memory. I'll use this as a point for something else later but for now I can just go over some examples...

Sunlit Port -> Rusted Wrecks These both have the same west-facing overhang area acting as a dead end

Rusted Wrecks -> Coral Caves The underwater cave.

Rusted Wrecks -> Desolate Tract The geometry and architecture of the RR warp is VERY VERY similar to that of DT

Desolate Tract -> Turbulent Pumps This ones actually a one-way, which is even more curious. But the giant tunnel look of DT is also somewhat close to TP. This, and this is where the pumps start, but the desolate tract ends, so there may also be a connection there

Desolate Tract -> The Surface These are both windy spots at the end of their respective regions. Also, you can point out that the Cold Storage tower in the back of Surface is similar to the leaning statues in DT

Stormy Coast -> Signal Spires Wow. The tall spire leads to another tall spire. Hmm.

Signal Spires -> Verdant Waterways The tunnel downwards into a large structure leading into another large tunnel downwards

Heat Ducts -> Stormy Coast All that damn steam and fog. The cranes seen here in this screenshot also appear in SC!

Stormy Coast -> Cold Storage Shrouded Coast -> Cold Storage No similar architecture like before, but the idea between the two is similar. Both were used as specifically storage areas,

I encourage you guys to find more of these examples, not EVERY single one is like this (I'll explain why I think this may be the case later), but I think its important

[heyguysijusthereforawesome]

always wondered how toons came to be so i have 2 theories:

1. they age up really .. REALLY quick to their cartoon’s age blah blah blah (i kinda flip flopped between whether they’d be incubated until maturity or if they just grow up really really fast)

and until they’re completely grown they’ll be hidden from the public while they’re learning and developing ?? And then they kinda cap at a certain age (so they’ll stop aging when they reach whatever age they were in the cartoon)

they get health complications too

exceptions would be eggson and toodles, who probably would age faster/slower to reach their age cap (??)

i like to think they feel they got their childhood robbed from them and feel resentment that they don’t get to live a “normal human life”

nd then the second and more likely (SMALL GORE WARNING):

they’re brought to life kinda like Frankenstein

though because they’re toons their organs function completely different to humans + made of ichor — which has caused some of them their fair share of internal or external deformities, which leads into their twisteds too

long story short: delilah likes to play god with her creations

btw i dont like the dialogue i just wanted her to say something to arthur

let me know what yall think or if yal have different ideas

[hadesoftheladies]

Just wanted to say I love your blog! You’ve encouraged me to read more about Marxism (do you have any book recs?) and helped me realise that I might have ideas/biases that (as a white woman) I didn’t know I had and that I’m starting to unlearn 💙🩵

Oh gosh thank you so much! This is high praise and very encouraging to read. Sometimes it's easy to focus on the negative in radblr, but I have also experienced so much love and support from white radical feminists on here and I'm grateful to have found some genuine sisterhood amongst women like you! I'm glad I can give back to radblr the much it has given to me with the amazing women that have taught me so much about myself, politics and the world.

I have so much to learn myself also about Marxism, but here are some books on my list:

Marxism and the Oppression of Women: Toward a Unitary Theory by Lise Vogel

The State and Revolution by Vladimir Lenin

Revolution at Point Zero: Housework, Reproduction, and Feminist Struggle by Silvia Federici

Toward A Feminist Theory of the State by Catharine A. MacKinnon

Reform or Revolution by Rosa Luxemburg

Sexual Relations and the Class Struggle by Alexandra Kollontai

[deepspaceivory]

every time i come to learn something new/one more theory about caleb i end up loving his character a lot more. there’s just so much to explore and understand about him he truly gives the impression of being inspired in a real person or at least real enough for us to feel related to every now and then—to feel connected somehow.

whoever wrote his storyline and character has my heart in the palm of their hands.

cross posted on twt but wanted to share here too

to caleb, blue means sadness, orange is happiness, & red is anger (this is from the event story, day 3)

there was a theory that when his evol was red it meant he was unhinged and hostile, while it was orange when he was happy

but his evol always has blue. its always red/blue OR orange/blue. is he just always in a constant state of sadness?

orange + blue is his signature color combo as well - even if we’ve only seen the orange evol once animated, in floating floraletter, the color choice and symbolism is so intentional

it’s ironic how emotional caleb is. his evol is heavily tied to his emotions.

and yet he’s the character that had his emotions and memories stripped away from him via the toring chip. (somewhat. attempted at least)

[pen--pun]

Deltarune Theory Time

Susie is not intended to be part of the Prophecy. Noelle is. The Prophecy ends with the monster girl using her magic to sacrifice herself to save the world.

Kris knows this. That's why they didn't say anything when Susie entered the first Dark World with them. They intended to save Noelle by replacing their childhood friend with their bully.

Unfortunately, they befriend Susie and regret that decision. Ralsei finds out and insists on Noelle being part of the party. She is either officially added as the fourth member, or replaces Susie.

In the Neutral Route's ending, Noelle's magic is not strong enough. Susie has to switch places with her and sacrifice herself instead. This ending compels you to play the Weird/Snowgrave Route, where you make Noelle stronger. That way, she can fulfil the Prophecy, and Susie will be spared. Technically, the same ending with minor changes.

Ok, theory over. I might be completely wrong. I do not have a good track record with theories, lmao

[lunaticli8rarian]

i can't 8elieve i have to make this

alright so i've had a8solutely enough. i cannot take it anymore. i must speak my mind on the matter. 8ecause i'm going to explode if i keep it in my head any f8cking longer.

deltarune chapter 3+4+snowgrave spoilers a8ound.

KRIS IS NOT UNDER THE CONTROL OF THE SOUL INSIDE OF THEM AND I FEEL INSANE THAT THIS ISN'T THE MAJOR8TY OPINON!

with that inflammatory opening out of the way, allow me to esta8lish the groundwork that this cry of agony into the void disguised as a deltarune theory will 8e oper8ting on.

i want to get this done eventually. may8e even make it concise if i can help it. as such i will not 8e going through deltarune chapters 1-4 8eat 8y 8eat narr8ting my reading of all of this. that would 8e insane and i'm not a youtu8er looking to make a quick 8uck 8y explaining the plot of deltarune.

instead, this will 8e focusing on specifically evidence that runs counter to the idea of kris 8eing controlled 8y the soul inside of them. everyone already seems well enough familiar with the evidence for it.

8y focusing on counter evidence, my only goal here is to show this commonly accepted mindset is at 8est, heavily flawed in specific aspects and working off a lot of assumptions, and at worst is a8out as sound as the idea that gaster's soul is hidden somewhere inside of kris and narr8ting things.

proof OF something is completely meaningless if it has sufficient proof against it. proof against something must 8e met with lest you fall into the dangers of "friend inside me" theorizing where you do nothing 8ut try to justify a pre-existing idea you already had.

now that all that is out of the way, lettuce get into my disconnected series of points as i remem8er them:

first major point: THE SOUL'S actual influences.

so i must conceed. whatever the soul is, whoevers ever it is. whether chara or frisk or whoever the protag of undertale yellow is or kris or the player, regardless of who they are they have genuine non-normal interactions with at least two people around them that is commented on 8y those people. non-normal meaning unique to the soul.

susie and noelle.

susie and noelle have 8oth commented on what the "influence" of the soul is like.

on susie's end we have the moment in chapter 1 when she is escaping jail. she comes to the cross roads and wonders where she should go. the prompt then comes up saying go left or go right. no matter what you pick, susie reacts the same way. she comments that it sounded like kris said something.

now, on its own. this doesn't inherently mean anything. may8e susie is just thick headed enough she reacts this way. 8ut then we get to noelle.

she comments on how she just "has to keep doing as kris says" and the a8ove screen shot "as long as i just do what they say" as the soul has picked multiple times for her to do ice shock. it implies that to the other characters, in 8attle what the soul does registers as kris telling them to do things.

i wish i had a screenshot of it on hand, so you'll unfortun8tly have to take my word on this. 8ut in the 8erdly fight, if kris goes down noelle makes the comment "i can still hear their voice." confirming that in 8attle, the actions you take in the menus registers to the other party mem8ers as telling them to do things.

an extra detail in this is noelle, despite 8eing in trance due to the thornring, says no at first and the game prompts you to pick a different option.

implying that anyone at any moment, realistically speaking, can reject the soul's suggestions. further showing that the influence the soul possesses when it comes to other individual living people is 8asically talking to them.

this is enough to convince me personally on this topic point, 8ut don't worry. i have one more thing.

snow grave chapter 4

in snowgrave chapter 4, noelle reacts to you picking the option "please don't" as if kris said that. to which she then rationalizes to herself "i mean, i know you didn't say anything, 8ut..." implying she registered a response, 8ut recognized kris themself didn't say anything.

these three moments culmin8 into my first point of contention with "soul control" theory as i have decided to call it just right this moment. for all intents and purposes, as descri8ed 8y the game, the influence the soul has into making people make decisions is merely telling them to do something.

it could perhaps 8e a pestering, annoying nuisance at worst that'll never shut up. 8ut it cannot FORCE anyone to do anything. i 8elieve this extends to kris. as there is no reasona8le evidence against it.

this alone, is not enough for a full counter argument tho. it is merely one facet of a counter argument. i have at minimum two more points at the time of writing this.

second major point: kris does whatever the f8ck they seem to want.

let's once again, start with chapter 1. a famous moment of express kris characteriz8tion.

kris defends susie without any prompt, or quick time event, or any input from the player. there is no choice given here. kris just does it. this alone shows that, even when the heart is inside of kris, there is at minimum, SOME circumstances in which if the soul has control kris can override it.

this scene shows at 8arest minimum, in an assumedly stressful scenario kris can surpass control if one of their friends are in danger. remem8er this. it's an important tool that'll help us at a l8er d8 in the future. in times elsewhere.

of course, i am speaking in commonly accepted terms that imply the soul is controlling kris. i do not 8elieve this, as you have read. so let us move on to the other pieces of evidence, that expand this to 8e what i 8elieve is ultim8ly another piece of evidence against soul control theory.

the end of chapter 1. a very stark moment. this is o8viously highly painful for kris. the expression, screen shake, and constant damage taken noise indic8s yeah, this is a 8ig hurty. and yet despite this clear pain, kris does it anyway. the soul in this moment, is likely ready for 8ed. as it just chose to go to 8ed. 8ut kris is a8out to go eat some f8cking pie

and the soul in all of this? it can't slip its way out of kris's fingers. implying either kris is strong (8acked up 8y them constantly shaking the screen, slashing tires, making huge thud sounds when they throw stuff at pretty hihg speeds, and the entire hockey stick segment.) or the soul is really weak (8acked up 8y it 8eing repeatedly KO'd 8y kris, the fact it can't move the 8ird cage at all. not even jiggle it around. and can't even lift an angel tree topper off it.) or 8oth (see 8oth examples a8ove.)

knowing the main st8ted given non-specul8tive reason for this is cuz, kris wanted to eat all of the pie toriel made (and this is a regular thing they do, toriel asks if she needs to lock the oven again.)

this throws an instant wrench into the idea that susie 8eing in danger spurred kris to wrench control 8ack from the soul. it seems something as chill and mundane as getting pie allows kris to wrench control from the soul to get a slice (or 8) of some delicious pie. indic8ting it's sort of a thing kris can do whenever.

8ut okay. may8e there's still wiggle room here. the soul could've 8een asleep at the wheel and kris seized the chance to get what they want. there's no reason to 8elieve the soul, player, frisk, etc, wanted susie to get got. and the soul was getting ready for 8ed. perhaps all this is just a result of the soul slacking.

so then the question prompts. what if undia8ly to any reasona8le person, the soul wanted to do something and kris didn't.

(please excuse the watermark, i'm pulling all of these from youtu8e, writing this is hard enough as is and i don't wanna replay all of deltarune 4 times to make my simple points.)

a 8attle of the ages takes place in chapter 4. the soul wants to read what's inside the guitar. and kris does not. kris infact, does everything in their f8cking power to stop the soul from even getting near the guitar.

there is a8solutely no question. the soul wants the guitar or at least wants susie to read the code inside the guitar. and kris 8y all metrics, wants that guitar to remain hidden.

this is something 8oth parties want for assumedly really important reasons. 8oth to save undyne and to not save undyne. and in a 8attle of willpowers. kris wins out easily. not even a struggle. it's painful sure 8ut in terms of actual capac8ty to do it, kris has no real struggles. the only 8enefit the soul has over kris in this whole dilemma is floating out of kris's reach in the closet. and only in the closet.

in a 8attle with the soul, kris wins. kris's will, determin8tion, narr8tive relevance-whatever you wanna call it, is 8y and large stronger than the souls. the normalcy they go a8out denying the soul any agency in this feels almost routine. normal to them.

this is my second major piece of evidence against soul control theory. in every instance kris can tell the soul to f8ck off and do whatever they want when they feel like it. there's other pieces of evidence to this fact, 8ut like i said at the start i wanna try to keep this concise. this is pure counter evidence here folks.

this fact that kris wins out in the 8attle of wills paints the rest of the game in an interesting light. 8ut that's specul8tion and theorizing i can leave to a different post. right now i'm merely here to show counter evidence to soul control theory.

which leads to my third piece of major evidence.

third major point: all the little things

"what the f8ck does all the little things mean" i hear you wondering. to put it simply, it's an uncounta8le (meaning i don't want to count it) amount of small non-impressive, easily missa8le interactions 8etween the soul/player, kris, and the world.

one example is the moment that honestly sparked the idea in me that kris was not in fact, under the control of the soul. at least to the point where i cared a8out it.

in chapter 4 snowgrave, i wanted to visit 8erdly. i was curious if i could have any neg8tive interactions with him. may8e rip off his 8lankets or something. this is the route where everything's messed up, i wanna see the lim8s of it. so i went over to the heater. i planned to just interact with it and choose "do nothing" 8ut then something shocking happened to me.

it turned on. kris turned it on. no prompting. no option for me to do anything else. i couldn't even turn it off. it was just on. the fact i, the one who was either in control of the soul, or taking on the role of the soul (not getting into what the soul is, just the idea it's controlling kris.) could not make 8erdly worse off struck me hard. it spoke to me. so starkly did it convey to me, i am not controlling kris. in a puppet sense at least. there is no more control happening here than in any rpg where you take on the role of a hero.

there's many other "kris does things on their own" moments. some of which even tie into the "the soul is just telling kris suggestions" idea. like how kris will stop themselves whether via 8iting or coughing, from saying they'll never play again. or how they'll cough when the option to say ralsei is just a darkner and shouldn't have feelings to override it.

kris sticks their fingers in the gr8s of a picnic ta8le. they gather darkners from the li8rary. they close the drawer with the dragon drawing 8ook in it when susie sees it. there's just so, so many tiny things that speak to a kris with agency that the soul has no real control over. the player can't even leave noelle's house right as she enters her yard. either noelle is asserting her will over the narr8tive, or kris just doesn't wanna leave for whatever reason.

after carol shows up all the doors in the holiday house give the text 8ox "no reason to go in there" in rooms you could defin8tly just enter 8efore. hell you can't even use the kitchen sink in chapter 2's ending.

who's really in control here?

major point 4: who's really in control here.

i need to level with you folks. it genuinely hurts me on some level. seeing people glaze over my final, and argua8ly my strongest piece of counter evidence. it's not just implic8tions you can glean from interactions. it's written outright. said to 8e so accur8 to even the smallest details.

kris is the cage for the soul. in this dynamic, kris is the one in control. keeping the soul captive. whatever happens, is allowed to happen 8y kris. cages aren't controlled 8y their captives. that's silly.

this is why it's hurt so much, seeing people go on and on and on and on a8out how kris is 8eing controlled 8y the soul. that their life is not their own. when there's so much pointing that that mindset in particular, is not correct. down to an unmissa8le panel of the prophecy calling kris the cage.

there is no player. there is only the cage. the cage forces you down the path. and you are trapped inside of it. even if you don't wanna 8e.

miscellaneous points

"8ut if kris is in control why did snowgrave happen?"

kris's actual motiv8tions are a complic8ted su8ject. honestly you could make a ram8le twice as long as this specul8ting and comparing evidence for kris's motiv8tions for-honestly everything. they seem like a complic8ted character who has conflicting motiv8tions and likes and dislikes. how can someone who loves pie also happily eat moss?

i dunno man kris is kris. they're as hard to quantify as any character. it's not like to8y fox can't write complex characters. noelle's simultaneously a huge weirdo and also the sens8tive girl next door. susie's a mean girl with a heart full of hope and kindness. toriel's a loving mother who does everything she can for her darling non-8inary child who's pronouns she respects, 8ut also gets drunk with her new 8oyfriend in house on the weekend and makes her kid comforta8le. asgore is a man with nothing 8ut love in his heart who cannot for the life of him stop f8cking things up and making people uncomfy.

things are complex and i think kris is no different as a character. i think it's worth looking into ram8 and eram's insistence that kris enjoys f8cked up sh8t, kris's allowance for the snowgrave route to happen, their clear discomfort with killing their friends in mantle, the entire f8cking aftermath of snowgrave in chapter 4, and all that other junk as pieces of a whole. not just lies 8eing told to the audience. whether it's lying that kris cares a8out their friends, or lying that they enjoy f8cked things-i think neither is lies. 8ut that's specul8tion.

"then why does kris keep taking the soul out of their own 8ody? what is the rel8tionship with kris and the soul if not hostil8ty from the soul forcing kris through life?"

that deals with a lot of specul8tion that i don't feel like getting into, writing this has already wiped me out majorly. i've 8een writing this for three hours str8.

8ut to comment on this, we don't really know what the soul does for kris, or what not having it in them does for it. it could 8e kris takes out their soul to remove their emotions to do weird knight conspiracy stuff. they could take it out to keep the soul out of the loop. they could do it for some other reason. kris could feel entirely neutral to the soul or resent it majorly. it's hard to say for sure. i have my theories 8ut i would save that for another post.

let me know if you want another f8cking novella on what i think kris and the soul actually are. it's an interesting su8ject i'd love to speak on if there's interest for it.

"WHAT A8OUT THE 8IG SNOWGRAVE SCENE!? HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THAT?!"

that would require me to define the rel8tionship 8etween the soul and kris. and kris's motiv8tions. and analyze the su8tlies in that scene from 8oth noelle, the soul, and kris's pov. and throw in some healthy specul8tion.

this is why i wanted to only focus on counter evidence. regardless of what someone says a8out the snowgrave scene, the previous pieces of counter-evidence to soul control still stand. i could think of three explan8tions. 8ut again, that would 8asically 8e part of that novella i mentioned a8ove.

anyway, that's a8out everything i can think of now. see you in deltarune chapter 6 every8ody. may8e if i'm left to my own devices i'll rant a8out why gaster and asgore are two characters who don't actually matter next.

[scarlettmystery59]

Since the first proper teaser for season 5 is dropping later today, I want to talk about Patty Newby and how I imagine they could bring her into the main series.

So, the gang would want to find any and all info they can on Henry, to defeat Vecna, so they’d want to go to the lab for clues. But not the 1987 lab, no they’d need the 1983 lab.

So they’d go to the upside down and find his files in Hawkins lab, and one of his files would mention Patty because of the catwalk incident + she was a ‘weakness’ of his

So they’d learn her name (along with other Henry details)

Then they would go to Hawkins high, find the old 1959 yearbook and find a picture of Patty, then eleven would find her in the void

Here we’d see older Patty, maybe she’s a singer in vegas like she wanted, and she’s singing ‘dream a little dream of me’, but I think it would be cool if this scene was a parallel to Henry and Patty’s mum in the attic scene in tfs. Where in the series, Patty is on a little stage in the void, she’s singing and eleven goes up to her, then Patty suddenly grabs her hand or something to show the memories, could be a nice little parallel AJSHD

Anyway- so Eleven goes into her memories, and starts seeing flashes of her time with Henry, we’d get a little montage of tfs based things, ending with the catwalk.

Then it ends with eleven knowing what happened and having vital information about Henrys life and weaknesses AND Patty coming into the show without making it forced/ she never gets any time with the main gang, but her presence was there in the series

(Plus she’d probably be ✨ mentioned ✨ again later to Vecna in an attempt to make him remember his life before)

[sylus-shivanika]

The Meaning behind Onychinus.

(Personal theory.)

I was just randomly brainstorming while looking for the meaning of the word "Onychinus," and suddenly a thought popped into my head: what if that word actually has deep symbolism tied to Sylus, MC, and their dynamic?

So I looked it up for its meaning, and then I started thinking about how it might reflect their relationship. It’s not a common English word, but it’s rooted in Greek. “Onycho-” comes from onyx (ὄνυξ), meaning claw or nail. “-inus” is a Latin-style suffix meaning “related to” or “like.” So Onychinus translates to “clawed” or “claw-like.” Quick side note: yes, onyx is also the name of a stone. It’s a type of banded quartz often used as a semi-precious gemstone. But its name originally came from the Greek word for claw or nail, because its pale bands resembled fingernails. So Onychinus is referencing the claw meaning, not the stone itself. Sylus is a dragon.

Dragons are legendary for their massive claws, deadly, ancient, and powerful. Naming his organization “Onychinus” reflects his true nature: a creature born of instinct, danger, and strength. It’s fierce. It’s symbolic. But it doesn’t stop there. He calls MC “kitten.” And kittens have claws too. Tiny, hidden, but sharp. Gentle-looking, but still creatures of quiet power. Now think about that: Sylus, the dragon, has claws. MC, the kitten, has claws. They are both Onychinus in their own way. And they always hold hands. Two clawed beings, one massive and strong, the other soft but strong, choosing to hold, not harm. To connect, not fight. To protect, not destroy.

Even their hands, which reflect their claws, become part of their love story. So what does Onychinus really represent? Not just Sylus’s identity. It reflects their shared nature. Their bond, their trust, and the balance between power and gentleness. It is dragon and kitten. Both clawed. Both dangerous in their own ways. Yet choosing to love each other. Anyway, I am so unwell over this. Whether intentional or accidental, the symbolism in that one word, Onychinus, ties everything together so poetically. It is not just a name. It is their story in one word. This is just my personal theory based on observation and symbolism.

[flashbandit]

guys I cracked the code; it's called a mind palace because it needs to be ruled

John is the king of Sherlock's mind palace

[bunniescout]

hello, NEVERMORE fandom! i just noticed something about the original poem ‘annabel lee’ and how this works with lennabel discovering one more time their love, but right know on a path between life and death. oh and after this post, i’ll put together something about all the times i noticed annabel carrying ocean-related elements within herself >:3

from the very first stanza, the poem grounds the story in “a kingdom by the sea,” turning the ocean into a mythic landscape, almost otherworldly. it represents the place where love was born and where death came to claim it (why i thought about the hunt lol)

the phrase “by the sea” appears six times in the poem, always describing the kingdom where the lovers lived and where annabel now rests. and my theory is:

remember the ‘only one student can come back to life?’ in my opinion…

miss girly annabel lee will definitely sacrifice herself so then lenore can live again.

the amount mentions of the sea in the poem reflects the vastness and depth of the speaker’s love, which, like the water, is immeasurable and undying. and that’s why i’m getting crazy because i noticed a lot of sea/water elements in annabel during all the chapters (and maybe out of them)

in the poem, the sea becomes the resting place of annabel’s body, but also the bed where the speaker lays beside her. this would be tragic, yes i want our girls together but this plot would be AMAZING >_<

rednflynn never disappoints <3