#tmp foreshadowings

[beveverage]

Wow okay I have a lot of thoughts about TMAGP 39.

(including spoilers for both TMA and TMP! Proceed with caution!)

Essay below the cut:

Upon being introduced to TMAverse Alice, I was honestly a little disappointed we actually got to meet her, and as her story became clear I was worried this would add to the vibe of "TMA content is more interesting than the TMP stuff we're technically here for."

...but after the full episode I think her inclusion subverts that really, really well, and actually makes me care even more about the Protocol universe and its characters. Because TMA Alice is a shell of a person. She has nothing left. She's lost everyone, she's not taking care of herself ("I don't eat much"), and she willingly subjects herself to recurring nightmares of literal hell because it's easier than living in her new reality.

And that's partly got a note of tragic foreshadowing to it--it's easy to see how TMP Alice could fall down the same path, with how much she's already losing herself trying to unravel the mystery of what happened to Colin and Sam. But even moreso, it shows us how lucky she is. Maybe she's stuck in a dead end job, maybe she and Sam aren't together anymore, maybe her coworkers are being eaten by computers. But she's alive, she has something to live for, she has people that care about her, and she still has agency over herself. And while things could still get much worse, she has hope, opportunity. We just met an Alice at the end of her life, but our Alice still has a future.

I'm realizing the point of TMA content in Protocol isn't just to indulge in fanservice and continue that old story. It's to remind us of what's at stake. In the TMA universe, nobody gets happy endings. The world wasn't saved by a long shot--maybe burning it out would have been a mercy. And without that perspective, it'd be easy for TMP characters to make the same mistakes, to destroy themselves and others while tampering with things beyond their understanding. The Archives crew never really grasped how unimaginably awful the outcome of their failures could be. But maybe if Sam makes it back, knowing what lies on the other side, knowing how lucky he is to be where he is and to have what he does...maybe that will make a difference.

Maybe.

[bottled-goods]

Hi,

I'm running out of people willing to listen to me talk about The Magnus Archives.

I'm also running (even more quickly) out of people that have both LISTENED to AND want to talk about The Magnus Archives.

Fun fact, Jonathon Sims (the writer of TMA) used to be in a band called The Mechanisms, and I've slowly been listening to their albums. Rest in peace. My repeatedly being late to the party on these types of things has its advantages and disadvantages. Advantages: I get to look at what everyone is saying after they've said it. It's easier to keep track of things that aren't moving. Disadvantages: they were pronounced dead years before I found them. From what I've read, it was a canceled project due to lost interest. Which is perfectly understandable. But also wholly devastating. orz

I think the best way I've thought of to describe Jonathon Sims (the writer) is that he is a writer/VA with a flair for the dramatic and a penchant for tragedy that's having way too much fun. Which makes him my favorite modern storyteller right now. I do think its really funny that any character he voices himself is just named after him, because he's terrible at naming characters. It's a very direct calling card lol

I have yet to start The Magnus Protocol. I do wonder if he voices any characters, or if he's worried about audience confusion because of TMP's predecessor being so iconic at this point; with Jon (TMA) having his voice. No one tell me, I'll find out eventually. Also idk if its true because I'm trying to stay away from TMP until I start it, but I heard there's a dedicated ARG?? If yes, that's so cool. I hope it kicks around for a while so I can take a look.

I'm on my first relisten of TMA. Going back is fun because you get to point at everything and yell about foreshadowing to your friends, who are being very patient with you because they haven't listened to TMA and have no idea what you're talking about. Here's a selection of the images I've been using when talking about or being reminded of TMA:

As you can see, I am very calm and collected. The series has not taken over my brain for the better part of a year now, and I definitely don't think of it everyday.

I want to talk about it at length to my friends, but I'm also trying to convince some of them to listen to it, so I'm concerned about giving spoilers. My poor friends have been very patient lol

Expect a flood of reblogs and posts regarding the Simsverse (?). Idk what else to call it. Is there a name?? Please talk to me/send me asks about TMA, I want to hear other people's thoughts :]

[carrymelikeimcute]

Initial Magnus Protocol Thoughts

Having completed my re-listen, I have THEORIES, and questions.

Theory 1 - Colin didn't phone Alice. He hated and feared phones as the series progressed. When Alice got the 'call' from Colin he was already in the server, and it was either an echo of him or something using him to try and lure her. (I suppose he also might have lost all hope and decided there was no point avoiding the phone, but also, I think this is creepier).

Theory 2 - Alice called herself Sam's best friend in this and all worlds (paraphrasing as can't remember the exact words) but does this foreshadow that he will meet Alice in the other world? If the other world is TMA, what was she up to in that timeline?

(Question - is there a Celia who belongs in TMP world, if so, where is she? And who is Jack's father?)

Theory 3 - The OIAR isn't eye aligned, it's web aligned. They literally use a 'web crawler' and seem to be a central controlling organisation to other entities, potentially using them as hitmen/agents to manipulate events on a level no one can quite comprehend.

(Question - how does the OIAR control entities/externals? Is it purely by providing them with victims? or is there a threat to go with that incentive?)

Theory 4 - The 'Magnus Protocol' mentioned in statements is a failsafe created by the web to prevent a similar eye-pocalypse to the one in TMA. We already know individual rituals can never succeed but perhaps the 'protocol' is used against any individuals who become touched by too many entities, like Jon was, or who stand a chance of knowing too much about the greater scheme of things. And part of the OIAR's purpose is to track these encounters and to maintain a balance. The protocol may have been used against Newton because his 'fruit of knowledge' was a threat to the web's machinations. if it could give an animal a human-like consciousness, it may have been able to elevate a human to a level where they could comprehend the web's complex plots.

Theory 5 - Teddy's new job is working for Starkwall

Theory 6 - The transportation of entities through the crack has led to some 'confused' avatars which are combinations or entities, some of which maybe be diametrically opposed, causing unique and unforeseen issues. Mr Bonzo may be one of these, combining the Stranger, the Flesh and the Corruption, hence his horrifically mutated appearance.

[insert-apt-title-here]

Help my tma/tmp hyper fixation is waning! Someone tell me something interesting so I can make it through the 2nd season slump and get to s3! This is my second listen through btw so if there’s any interesting foreshadowing stuff I can look for that would be great. I’m on mag 50, and I’m listening to the protocol episodes as they come out with tma episodes as time filler from week to week.

P.S. by writing this I have rekindled a bit of my hyper fixation.

[blink-fox]

TMP EP 5 spoilers

Yk a lot of comments below the "Personal Screening" ep are saying "Do Not Open man would be driven up a wall by this guy" and "you'd think he would learn something from all the horror stories he has seen". But are we so different from him?

We are all listening to a horror podcast, we have Word documents with our theories or even boards with good old red threads pointing out all the connections and sinister foreshadowing we hear. Even thinking "If I were him I'd..." we don't actually consider the possibility of facing an eldritch abomination of some sort by our own. Because we know they aren't real.

But that's exactly how this dude thought, isn't it? Not only did he become numb to the fear because of his experience in the genre, but he also simply couldn't fathom anything of this sort happening to him, a Random Guy, Nothing Special At All. Consequently, even having been thrown all the red flags right in his face, he just didn't understand that something was off.

Justice for our poor fellow

[pennesloppy]

the magnus protocol is so good i cant

second episode's statement feels both like an expansion on the slaughter and its ties to music and arts / wild passion but it's also very focused on the flesh and the perfection of self and i'm not even at what I assume to be the big twist yet but this feels like mastery over your series' concepts. also martin and jon being the TTS is unspeakably cool but the fuckn Implications. like I'm pretty sure it's because they've opened the floodgates in MAG300 and they're like. a part of the eye now? maybe??? but I feel like it makes sense. I hope they show up in reports or something. and in person ofc

idk if sam trying to piece together the system hints to a gertrude equivalent of shtick being misfiled on purpose? colin definitely knows more about it though (hes got my name!!!!). lena definitely hits the elias vibe but feels very much less insidious. i feel like drawing parallels might be a reckless move but I can see so many of them. like, alice has the willingly skeptic vibe that jon had.

oh also I love the character focus. the original is definitely more of a slow burn in that regards which makes it very difficult for me to not gush about to the friends i'm introducing TMA to, but this is wonderful.

it feels significant that teddy is allowed to leave in the first episode. makes me think the OIAR isn't affiliated with the eye/ not as much as the archives, might be because of the lack of jonah magnus? also gwen wanting to take lena's place and stuff definitely foreshadows SOMETHING and I am scared as hell.

im still on the 'the archives failed their ritual due to the lightless flame' theory train but i'm very intrigued by the archives still fighting back against intruders.

canaries should stay above ground is very fucked, i love it, i think it's interesting the eye actually made someone STOP seeing for once though. also the dates of the posts built tension so efficiently I loved that so much. the different report formats and the heavy breach of privacy add so much flavor to the horror. also that box redcanary took is absolutely the web box thing right?

speaking of the web, the listening devices are so good. i doubt they're web-related this time, especially if the archives are not as important this time around, but the fact they're just following you is horrible.

i don't know to what extend the eye is 'stronger' because of the TMA ritual or if it's even canon to the TMP series but I feel like the eye is much more insidious and I don't know if it's because it's desperate due to the destruction of the archives or if it's a manifestation of it's dominance over the other fears? I do hope the TMP universe is one of the many made to be consumed after the fear in TMA world dried up completely though, that would be very cool and that is personally why I think martin and jon show up as text-to-speech.

i think I should do more unhinged rant posts tbh, i'm sorry it's disorganized to any hypothetical readers though, it's very much hastily typed thoughts I haven't exactly very much expanded upon. i've got doubts anyone is gonna actually see this but i do really wanna talk about it so if anything is confusing ask me about it or something. might clean this up later anyways

[anghraine]

Yeah, both Deckers' conflations of righteous leadership with throwing self-absorbed tantrums during an existential crisis are one of the things that make me deeply skeptical of the whole idea that Decker got completely unjustifiably screwed over for no valid reason at all. Decker did get screwed over, but unfortunately for his ego, this was in part for some entirely valid reasons in the circumstances that are only further justified by his poor strategic advice and general conduct throughout much of the mission. His advice and behavior superficially look quite different from his brother's, but ... aren't, IMO.

[further long ramble, lol]

Commodore Decker got way more screwed over of the two of them, to begin with, though by sheer misfortune rather than a temporary demotion. And Captain Decker getting displaced without forewarning by a much higher-ranking, famously brilliant tactician with more relevant experience for a critically important mission sucks, sure, but Decker really wasn't the best qualified person for it, and "preventing the deaths of billions of people" is understandably a higher priority for Starfleet than Decker's career. It takes him most of the movie to accept that where he can most contribute to this mission is not and never was from the captain's chair. His tactical judgment would never have gotten them to where they needed to be for Decker to really even matter; it had to be Kirk in that chair, backed by Spock, for Decker to end up in a position to help save the day in a very different style than early TMP Decker could have imagined.

Commodore Decker at least is clearly a broken man by the time we meet him, if one who made a dubious decision earlier, but TMP's Decker isn't broken at all. He's not unstable or traumatized (or evil, lol); he's just caught up in his feelings and prioritizes them above the stakes of the mission (...billions of lives) for a lot of the movie. Really, of the main cast, only Kirk, Uhura, and once he shows up, Spock seem to truly grasp the urgency of the crisis until pretty late in the film.

I think Decker being too hesitant and short-sighted to deal with this crisis and Kirk genuinely being the optimal choice are suggested earlyish in the film, when Uhura insists that Kirk taking over has doubled their chance of survival. We're not told why she thinks Kirk is such an improvement over Decker for this mission, but we don't really need to be; it becomes clear enough.

I feel the point of this whole dynamic is that, broadly, the film wants to create a sense of uncertainty and tension around the outcome of the whole V'ger crisis and particularly what the best tactical approach to it is—Kirk's more daring and high risk-high reward tactics, or Decker's preference for caution and waiting for certainty. At the same time, that more abstract tactical opposition is really an extension of the personal conflict between Decker and Kirk and the question of which of them is truly compromised by ego (both have egos, but at first we don't know whose ego is the real obstacle, until Spock's arrival functionally reveals that it's Decker's). And even that conflict is mostly an illustration of Kirk's profound isolation and unhappiness, reinforced by Spock's desertion for Gol and by having Kirk's motives and fitness doubted by literally everyone around him—except Uhura.

So it's made possible for the audience to be unsure and in suspense about all this, because almost the entire cast is, but the choice of Uhura—frankly the most clear-sighted figure involved—to be the one person who is certain Kirk is the better choice by far for this mission, already offers pretty strong foreshadowing that Kirk is going to be vindicated in the long run. His motives don't have to be 100% selflessly pure for him to be far and away more qualified for this crisis.

Then as the TMP plot progresses, it seems like Decker favors what appears to be the opposite strategy as his brother. The Commodore's approach was short-sighted in an impulsive, obsessive, ultimately suicidal way that jeopardized the lives of a ton of people, while TMP Decker's is short-sighted in a cautious, hesitating, time-consuming way that jeopardizes the lives of billions of people. So it can look like TMP!Decker is "the Kirk" of the film as this more cautious, rationalistic figure opposing a risk-taking superior (and no doubt does feel that way to Decker himself). But in the big-picture sense of what's happening with V'ger, it's actually way more dangerous to delay responding and avoid risks until they have the kind of certainty Decker wants, which is what he keeps pushing Kirk to do (in the snippy Decker family style) even once Spock fixes the systems.

Decker's arc, such as it is, shifts him towards daring risky, uncertain attempts at dealing with V'ger and ultimately towards a cosmically unknown future that's pivotal to victory, but also a kind of suicide in terms of his previous existence. We end with Decker leaping into the unknown, as his brother did (which didn't save the day nearly as dramatically but did provide the crucial information needed to save the day), and with Kirk futilely pleading with him not to do it, just as he did with Matt Decker years earlier. That is, as far as their TMP roles correspond to "The Doomsday Machine," Decker's role does most closely correspond to Commodore Decker's and Kirk's to, well, Kirk's, and it's only the obfuscation of the earlier film that manages to conceal this.

I think it's significant that Kirk's tactical approach, by contrast to Decker's, doesn't really change with Spock's arrival. I've seen it argued that Spock's arrival does nudge him towards less foolhardy and more cautious decisions, but I don't agree; rather, Spock's arrival gives Kirk the tools he needs for his tactics to succeed, but his tactical approach itself doesn't much change and he continues to favor a daring, decisive, and active approach that is clearly what's required as the later film progresses. He just also needed Spock—and lbr, Kirk has never been shy about acknowledging that he needs Spock to do what he does. (Even in TMP, with Spock unavailable, Kirk was sufficiently aware of this to request another Vulcan scientist as science officer before the mission even started, however inferior a replacement literally anyone would have been; Sonak has to be killed off for the disasters of the early mission to happen.)

It's a tangent, but I think Kirk's approach to Spock throughout TMP is also markedly pretty static; the big change in their relationship follows from Spock's big epiphany. The moment Spock appears on the bridge, Kirk is visibly eager to accept and welcome him on their old terms; it's Spock who rebuffs him because of his own cultural hang-ups, and Kirk is frustrated and strained, but markedly less shocked/outraged and more willing to white-knuckle his way through than the others. Spock's other ex-friends, most conspicuously McCoy, doubt Spock's trustworthiness, but Kirk brusquely dismisses their doubts and is thoroughly vindicated when what looked like the foreshadowed betrayal from Spock is revealed to be his attempt to transmit data from V'ger to Kirk at enormous risk to himself. Kirk follows his instincts and jumps into space to be there to catch him (also the correct call, it turns out). When Spock wakes up with his emotions epiphany and gets enough of his brain cells in order to finally reach out to Kirk, Kirk is just as eager and receptive as he was when Spock first stepped onto the bridge, with no hint of recriminations or even hesitation about accepting and reciprocating the gesture. There's no point where Kirk was going to rebuff Spock or handle his relationship with him differently; the change had to come from Spock.

That's the dynamic of the film: it yanks the "Kirk arc" carpet from beneath us and shows the real tension of the film hinging far more on Spock's and Decker's arcs. Kirk is ultimately a pretty static character in the film, I think; it's much more Spock's and Decker's movie in terms of movement, just so weirdly paced that it takes awhile to get there. The later film is mostly Kirk being vindicated over and over and eventually rewarded, while Spock and Decker have their epiphanies about Kirk/Ilia and their places in the universe.

My headcanon, though, is that (Captain) Decker has actually convinced himself in TMP that what's going on is a replay of that situation from TOS, with the current Kirk as (Commodore) Decker and TMP Decker as the righteous young space captain trying to keep this higher-ranking lunatic from throwing their lives away. But the reality is that this situation does require taking major risks and making difficult judgment calls rather than delaying; time is not a luxury they have, and Kirk's calculus that it's better to try and save people, even if they fail, than to dither around doing not much of anything and let them die without even trying, is ... uh, right.

Basically, I think TMP!Decker took the wrong lesson all around from that family history, and is applying it poorly because it's easier on his ego than accepting that someone else might be a better pick for navigating an existential crisis for all of Earth. He learns better and realizes that how he can best serve the mission is very different, but it's underwritten and poorly paced, so I think he's mostly just frustrating in much the same way that Matt was, despite superficially looking for awhile like he's going to be the Kirk of the scenario.

woman-of-many-fandoms replied to this post:

Let's be real though. Decker should have been in charge and the only reason Kirk didn't get himself and everyone under his command killed was because of him. If this was TOS days and Kirk had an admiral try to take over his ship, the audience would clearly know this was the antagonist but we let it slide because we are following Kirks story.

I totally disagree, actually (as is probably obvious from my post). I think Decker is completely temperamentally unqualified for the specific crisis at hand in TMP. For a significant portion of the movie, he doesn't seem to even comprehend the stakes of the crisis for the billions of people on Earth who would have died if Kirk took most of his advice. Apart from updating Kirk on the refits, something other people could do and which is at most temporarily useful, Decker's tactics are cautious and short-sighted at a time when they (and especially Earth!) can't afford either. They had to take the kind of risks Decker opposed (and continued to oppose after Spock fixed the technical problems) to have any chance of stopping V'ger. I think Uhura was absolutely correct when she said that Kirk taking over had doubled their chances of success. Kirk is a tactical genius who is willing to question himself but decisive in a crisis, none of which is true of Decker.

Doesn't help that Decker spends 80% of his screentime caring more about his ego than the mission or the most basic kind of professionalism, but his tactics are the real problem. He'd be fine in other missions, but this was not the one for him.

[universalcaffination]

Where It’s At

Highly recommend y’all listen to mister leonard nimoy’s discography because he has a very lovely voice, but there are also some very interesting songs laced throughout!

Where It’s At - written by Cy Coben for the The Way I Feel album released in 1968 - is a favorite example for this. It may have come out 11 years before The Motion Picture of 1979, but I feel like it foreshadows elements of the film in some of its lyrics rather well. Either that, or they looked back at this song and went “huh we should incorporate these themes somehow”

In summary: An unknown person is asking for mister nimoy’s/spock’s answer to the meaning of life and this song is his response, basically. he talks about how he struggled while looking for the answer to this question as well, before his answer came to him suddenly and that it’s love/emotion...

I too have been a prospector wandering through the maze/Buffed by the storms and jagged rocks of life/That tore the nerve ends of my hopes and dreams/And like yours my skin was much too thin to shield me from the inroads of my times

cutting the first few verses out to start here: a brief exploration of how he felt before TMP/during the five year mission or even before then, with the impression that his emotions are painful and overwhelming (and/or how he feels ostracized from vulcan and terran because of his other half), whether that includes all of his emotions or just any romantic feelings

The big machines, the strangling crimson tape/The hate filled moats that keep us from the other seekers/Searching too for the road to where it’s at

we don’t really know why spock leaves starfleet after the five year mission, but the above lyrics could be an insight to his reasoning. starfleet has become restrictive and he feels like he won’t find what he’s looking for in his search for the meaning of life anymore. spock at the beginning of TMP has almost completed kolinahr, which he at the time believes to be the best path to finding his answer. Of course, this is stopped and he joins the enterprise to intercept v’ger

But then, one day, the fog with in my mind began to clear/And for me the truth shown forth as brilliant as a thousand suns

melding with v’ger and experiencing all of the things v’ger’s learned over time, and how the lack of emotion makes all of that knowledge virtually meaningless - overwhelms him with how vibrant/intense it is. he literally gets knocked back in the middle of the meld because its too much all at once. saying that his mind was shrouded in a fog before the meld though is very telling, it suggests that, upon reflection, he can realize that he couldn’t really see what was around him and he was looking in the wrong direction when he left for vulcan and the kolinahr initially.

I had it all along with in my grasp, the answer/So simple that I almost didn’t see it/Its love

mhh learning from the meld that emotions aren’t a bad thing... and that “this simple feeling” he speaks about when grasping kirk’s hand really is love...

Loving someone more than you love yourself, loving so much that you trust, you give and you ask nothing in return/This is the purest form of love/And then/And this is the miracle/If the one your giving to believes as you, you’ve found it/The treasure you’ve been seeking, you’ve found out where it’s at

a great summary of their relationship throughout the five year mission and the movies, this idea that they care so much about one another and it comes in the forms of trust and sacrifice only for them to actually realize that its love after v’ger

~

some of mister nimoy’s albums are spock focused while others aren’t, and the way i feel seems to be a mixture of the two where it’s not always inherently stated that this is a song strictly about the character/universe of star trek, of course...

this song gives me vibes of spock during the second movie or later really, like one of his cadet comes to him asking for life advice and this is what he tells them, as the wise teacher with life experience

And of course, a link to the song itself for you to listen to:

https://youtu.be/qq64ASLfdOw

[wildishmazz]

Lower Decks, 1.03

I'm late, I know.

Episode 3, Temporal Edict

00:00 We have cold opens now. Cold opens are cool. What is the blue fish species? We’ve seen her pretty prominently quite a few times. 00:25 I wonder if that is a familiar tune? 02:00 Still kinda get chills from the theme. 02:30 They have no intention of telling us who peace is being brokered between, do they? 04:55 I wonder if there’s any way of distinguishing between TMP and TNG, music wise? If TNG, I reckon Boimler was humming it because of that beautiful blooper by the cast breaking into song that one time, led by Frakes. 04:55 “Cap’n. Uh, Captain.” reminds me of Chris’ “Sir. Ma’am. Sir.” 05:10 Was Captain Freeman the Boimler of her Lower Decks group, so never initiated into Buffer Time? 05:50 Delta Shift. Snrk. Blame Captain Jellicoe. 06:30 Rushed work is done poorly, who knew? 07:15 Sentient tar - so you ignored the quarantine around Armus, huh, Ransom? 08:40 So fragile. 08:55 “He’s got wood!” snrk. 09:20 four-way punch! Couldn’t do that live. Mariner kicks ass. 10:00 Riker pose! 11:00 Bunch of stuff wrong with the ship because of rushed and unfinished work? Foreshadowed. 12:05 Nice implied continuity - he knows how she always talks. They have history. 13:00 I wonder how they got from Hodor to Vindor? Seems pretty obvious that’s where they’ll have got the name from. 13:17 that felt really Futurama. 14:05 “Yeah, but I have a phaser.” how many times should that have been said in the past? 14:24 I really hope one of the wrong names he gets called will be Broccoli. 14:53 “We don’t have any crystals!” um yeah you do, you’ve got- “I mean, we do have dilithium.” Yeah, those. 15:35 “You know I don’t have any.” Is this related to Mariner’s “Ugh.” when he mentioned his ex earlier? 16:08 There goes his shirt. 16:24 ahhh double punch! 17:30 I’m still curious about Boimler’s species. Surely he isn’t human - there’s no way he’d dye his hair that purple. 18:15 amazing use of PADDs. 18:30 Developing a crush there, Mariner? I didn’t see that coming, but I don’t hate it. 19:40 Makes sense that phasers would be used to burn graffiti off. 21:10 And now it’s mutual. 22:00 Aw, poor Boimler. 22:35 Great birds of the galaxy, get it? Great Bird of the Galaxy? GEDDIT? 22:40 Ey, O’Brien! I wonder who voiced the teacher?

[wolfwhiteflowers]

You've Got Sext

Danny: I'm so sorry, angel. Mindy: Apologize to our baby. Danny: I'm sorry, baby. Mindy: Tell it to him. Danny: I'm so...I'm so sorry, buddy.

Lahiri Family Values

Danny: Hey, buddy boy. What's going on in there? You make any new friends? You meet the guts, the kidneys? Hey, don't let anybody push you around, okay? You're a Castellano. I love you.

[the-purest]

[1:49] alex j mule just called me weird and the episode hasnt even started yet. ihih

[2:35] "a privilege to be horrible in your ears" thanks alex

[2:55] EUGH I DONT LIKE THAT SOUND. HHHH BRING BACK THE SCREECHING VIOLIN, FUCK THE DEEP LAUGHING LIKE SOUND-

[4:20] yknow i thought that maybe my understanding of the british/northern accents was decent. oh how wrong i was. i need the transcripts, one sec-

[4:30] Alice speaks to me

[6:34] colin dont say that shit. tma didn't play around with foreshadowing, i dont expect tmp to either

[7:44] ey SHE IS FUNNY GWEN.

[15:30] yo at this rate i might just put the transcripts through my own tts (jkjk alexs voice is rather soothing. ty N O R R I S.)

[17:35] episode one: ZOMBIES :D

[21:40] OK DAMN GWEN.

[24:28] oh i like coliiiinnnn... alice and colin are going to be fighting for my favorite, i can tell already.

[27:30] MAGNUS INSTITUTE RUINS????? WE'RE COVERING THIS ALREADY??????

[28:40] "1:27 AM" yeah that sounds about right. mf was on his own forums at 1 am and went "WHO ARE YOU CALLING LAZY?"

[33:38] i know the institute typically messes with anything digital but would film photography be a good work around it???

[33:43] "i can dox people too you know? 😡"

[34:23] UHHHHHH RED CANARY? YOU THERE BUDDY?

[34:35] god fucking- my life series instincts should have kicked in the instant i heard the name red canary

[26:55] the girls are fighting again

[38:37] Oh they're exes..... that explains the dynamic jahdkahdm

[40:33] COLIN COLIN COLIN AAAAAAA YOU ARE SO DYING FIRST FUUCCKKKKK

WARNING: TMP SPOILERS

i was going to make a thread on twt similar to my s1-5 binge thread but ik people who have my notifications on that i dont want to give spoilers to.

every new episode I'll add to this (yes it'll get old REALLY. QUICKLY.)

not tagging this either bc its no one else but myself and flooding tags is some asshole shit

ANYWAY. LISTEN TO TMA/TMP HERE

[wolfwhiteflowers]

Dinner at the Castellanos x Take Me With You

I read the sides before DatC aired and I kept thinking the final scene in DatC will be a lot like s1 finale, TMWY. But it's actually a lot more like s2 finale, Danny and Mindy.  DatC used to be S3's finale episode, but The Mindy Project got six more episodes. So, DatC's final scene was sort of like all three finale scenes into a parallel moment. It's similar to what they did to their Christmas episodes. I guess I got my info wrong..but I thought I heard from the audio interview w/TMP writers, they wanted DatC to be finale or something. I guess not.

[kirksfattitties]

okay so when spock says “i have been and shall always be yours” or whatever gay shit in twok, he’s reassuring jim that jim doesn’t need to worry about wounding spocks pride (via taking over his ship) because spock feels his place is by jims side. he’s reassuring jim (just like he did every time he lost command during the five year mission -> the evil kids, the evil automated computer (m5), the evil people who turned the enterprise crew into bath bombs, jims evil ex-gf who switched bodies with him (dr janice lester), etc.) and giving him back command.

at the start of twok, it’s been... what? ~10 or 15 years since tmp? and another 2.5 years before that since the five year mission? so other than those few days during all the v’ger shit, jim hasn’t had command of a starship in a hot sec. and jim knows spock better than anyone, he knows jim wants back command and even calls him out on it. and spock wants jim in command as well.

and uh! speaking of v’ger and tmp! this is spock telling jim that spock was ALWAYS his, INCLUDING when he went away to gol to remove his feelings. spock and jim were each other’s answers when they’d been separated for nearly three years and they finally felt right and whole again after being reunited. so OF COURSE spock isn’t gonna pass up the chance to be in command with jim again.

hold on i need to type out my coherent thought before it vacates my brain

[wolfwhiteflowers]

“This Danny guy, he doesn't know what's gonna happen. No one does.

The point is, when I met Carl, I didn't see it coming, and when it happens for you, you won't see it coming either.” - Gwen  

1x05, Danny Castellano is My Gynecologist

[wolfwhiteflowers]

They know what they want. 

I don’t know what is the next parallel or foreshadowing. Maybe like their son ends up being a nerd.

[wolfwhiteflowers]

“Danny, we're not letting your mom get arrested because it's the letter of the law. This is family. When our son gets arrested in the Hamptons for having a bar fight, I'm gonna drive his ass to Mexico in the back of a chicken truck. What are you gonna do?” -Mindy  “Run.”-Danny

xD I want to post this quote because she mentioned son in We Need To Talk About Annette, way before Mindy got pregnant.