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this post about lesbian divas rlly delighted me. it's fun to see this niche topic talked about and expanded on with lots of examples. soooo i compiled all the responses as of 21/09/23 10:30pm EST and put them in a spreadsheet. then ranked them by how much of a diva i consider them lol
first off, the general list. i found 152 unique responses in the replies, tags, and comments. some were only first names so i didnt bother researching into who the poster was talking about. images for ease of viewing:
second... what is a diva?? clarifying where im coming from is important to understand my upcoming opinions. i should make clear that im talking about DIVAS as in DIVA WORSHIP as in LIZA MINNELLI-BARBRA STREISAND-BETTE DAVIS-LADY GAGA etcetera. dykes can see these female celebs as divas as well, but what the original post touches on is the male diva.
this rthko ask explains the diva well. you should also take a look at scholarly articles and books -- divas have been a part of recorded gay culture and esp gay male culture and drag queen culture forever -- the term isnt concrete. rthko says that "there's no real formula" but lists these typical features of a diva:
larger than life -- glam, humor, charisma? would a drag queen impersonate them?
theatrical / proximity to theatre
sexy / horny -- rthko notes here that these arent requirements, citing liza's lack of sexual overtness
strength
niche -- can be popular but not a general crowd-pleaser
gay rights supporter -- before it was cool
now rthko is talking about female divas, even noting the blind spot for bi/lesbian fans and artists. i say you can apply the same features to male celebrities to identify the male divas dykes idolize. i should note that some of the ppl on the list are women or genderqueer. so the list is not entirely male.
another note: im putting so much emphasis on DIVAHOOD because it's SUCH a specific term. not all icons, "weird little guys", "blorbos" are divas. one thing rthko doesn't touch on is how a diva often has a strong sense of self that the devotee can identify and want to emulate -- at the xtreme, leads to drag art. if they dont inspire and amaze, then are they a diva?
lets get into part 3: which of these 152 people / concepts / groups are honest to god divas? you can argue they're all Icons to some extent (the bare minimum being having a lesbian fanbase) but do they have what rthko and i (and gay culture researchers) consider to be the features of a diva?
first thing i did identify those i both recognized and "saw divahood within". ended up with 44:
then i shrunk down the list even further to 18 (again, pure opinion):
then i ranked the 44 more methodically by mapping out the 7 features of the diva:
several important notes:
this ranking is not definite -- though i tried to be fair, considering the limits to what i know, it is subjective
i dont know the histories of some of these people, so i may be missing some things. an inverse example: i know far too much about gerard way, so i had a good idea of how he fit into each feature
some of these i couldnt decide whether i should check or not. al pacino i was esp worried about... couldnt justify checking those boxes the way i can for other people
either way, my findings yielded interesting results! 3 of the most commonly talked about singer-songwriters (bruce, bob, johnny) ranked low. this may indicate that there's other features to the male diva that arent specified or dont apply to females divas / gay male devotees. perhaps defined gender expression, or “voice for lesbians”, or something else.
all of the people with a score of 4 or more can be emulated. "sex" (meaning overt sexuality) is the least common feature, after "theatrical".
though anyone can be a diva to anyone, there's a certain "canon" of who is a diva in gay circles. liza barbra bette gaga. this messy qualitative approach is an attempt to figure that out for dyke divas. i would love to talk about it more.
#there are some misspellings. like 'patterson' 😭#to be negative for a second#some of yer choices arent even LESBIAN ICONS much less DIVAS.#qessay#diva tag
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Katniss is such an unreliable narrator. She says "Then something unexpected happens. At least, I don't expect it because I don't think of District 12 as a place that cares about me" girl you deliver strawberries to the Mayor, you hunt and trade for the district, when you fell at Prim being chosen someone caught you, when you went to Prim people parted for you, when you volunteered EVERYONE stopped. Idk how to tell you but I think you're a pillar of the community.
#katniss everdeen#the hunger games trilogy#the hunger games#primrose everdeen#hunger games#batcavescolony reads the hunger games#suzanne collins#'now it seems i have become someone precious' NOW? GIRL BFFR you're their hunter girl#and this isn't negative just bffr girl#your WHOLE DISTRICT did the three finger salute that you yourself says means admiration thanks and goodbye to someone you love and on top is#old a rarely used. your WHOLE DISTRICT decided in that moment that they needed to bring back this sign of respect for YOU#...................................................................#idk why some people are thinking i mean this as negative i don't she is unreliable but its not intentional. like when Peeta heart stoped in#CF she doesn't know what Finnick is doing at first cus she doesn't know off the top of her head what cpr is. she also thinks Peeta after the#reaping is acting for the cameras. he isnt we dind out later his mom basically told him Katniss was gonna win and he would die. obviously#shes not doing it on purpose shes just for lack of better words uneducated? as in she doesn't know everything shes not omnipotent#so when Plutarch (? second games guy) shows her his mokingjay hiden watch shes like *wtf that's weird?* then the people traveling to#district 13 show her the mockingjay cookie and explains it and she then goes on the difference between his watch and their cookie#and why does eveyone act as if district 12 is as bad as the capital? they CANT help Katniss and Prim in the way you want. they cant give#them food. none of them have any! and im not putting iton Katniss but they hid they needed food so they could stay together. it sounds like#some of you are in this our world mentally of what people do after a loved one dies (brings food constantly checks on them etc) district 12#cant do that. they dont have food and they're all suffering. you cant give someone food when you have none to give. then theirs the fact#that peeta DID help. Peeta buring the bread and tossing some to her then taking a beating from his mom is a HUGE thing in the books.#he used his resources to help her like you all said someone should.#district 12 DID (rip) care about Katniss before the hunger games. why do you think she was allowed to hunt? or how her trades were good#these are the little ways 12 can shows Katniss they love her. but again Katniss doesn't see this and YES its because she had ptsd before the#hunger games as well. i swear some of you make it seem like d12 was all living a life of luxury and glaring down at Katniss.#other things that show Katniss is in hight standing with at least her people of d12 is her dad was known enough through d12 for peeta dad to#comment on his singing along with his commenting on her mom. also her mom is a healer in the community. yeah her parents arnt the top but#of d12 but they are/were definitely high staning in the Seam.
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Let’s talk about the lack of a kiss? Let’s. For me, it didn’t make a difference. I read some comments here and there like "Oh, they made them less queer, they seem only BESTFRIENDS.” But that’s just not true. NICKY SAID IN ITALIAN "TI AMO" (in Italy, we have two ways to say “I love you,” and this one is deeper—used only in a romantic context with a romantic partner)
We did get scenes that are clearly, undeniably those of a couple. And that scene with Nicky’s monologue "i know your heart and that is immortal", and Joe opening up and admitting he’s afraid- aah...
We see Joe vulnerable. (what i wanted, I needed this. Because The Old Guard is dear to me also for its absence of harmful stereotypes.) Joe, who’s usually sharp, charming, the badass of the group.
Seeing his fragility with Nicky? That’s pure gold!
I know we’re in an era where if there aren’t sex scenes, then the ship supposedly doesn’t count. But this is what I needed. So many directors forget the most powerful part of a couple: love shown through actions, not flashy ones//also through the little things, the promises, the looks, their hands...
#don't spread negativity#the old guard#joe x nicky#the old guard 2#This film finally lets us appreciate the development of a relationship that’s been going on for hundreds of years- but is still new to us-#And now in the second film knowing how strong their connection is we get to see what a long-standing established relationship looks like#A relationship where they love each other and thrive in each other’s presence#And when Joe tries not to upset Nicky—but Nicky senses something’s wrong and calls him out—and in the end#Joe lets himself be vulnerable#and Nicky is right there#saying exactly the words Joe deserves to hear#joenicky#immortal husbands#kaysanova#yusuf al kaysani#nicolo di genova#yusuf x nicolo#the old guard netflix#tog 2#2 old 2 guard#TI AMO by Nicky
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Before posting to the Duke Thomas tag, think:
Does the post actually include Duke Thomas?
Does Duke Thomas say more than one throwaway line/question?
Is Duke Thomas more than just a prop for another character?
Is Duke Thomas more than the timid/shy/normal one?
If you answered yes to all these questions, congratulations!!! You can post to the Duke tag. If your answer is no, maybe avoid the Duke tag!
#duke thomas#sorry for the negativity but sometimes the tag is so dire i just put my head in my hands for a few seconds#this is a problem for a lot of characters (esp non-bat related ones) so this isn't unique to duke#but i just wish people realised they don't HAVE to tag duke. it's perfectly fine not to#if your post is really about the another batboy that's fine!! just don't tag duke!!!
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-insert ominous whistle sounds- caught up with chaos theory today and i'm obsessed with the Handler and her microbangs <3
#chaos theory#jurrasic world chaos theory#the handler#chaos theory the handler#my art#not described#i love her nonbinary swag#shes terrifying im obsessed#i will never be consistent with either what i post or when <3#honestly the second version might be my favourite cos i love the negative space but i spent too long on the first to Only post one
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Submas VIOLENCE
#submas#emmet goes ON SIGHT#while ingo rolls sleeves and approaches you menacingly#saw someone tag 'submas posetivity'. as opposed to what? submas negativity? submas violance. submas KILL#no hate i think its funny#just realized it might not be obvious put the second picture is ingo dragging emmet away from a fight.#not the one who fought him. the angry look and raised fist is him beinh like WORTH IT? SAY THAT AGAIN?
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TCO and TSC having siblings moments cuz i love them so much you dont understand
headcanon time: before TSC, TDL was TCO's only true friend and brother but after the whole showdown thing TCO was pretty much left alone. For him TSC was just a random stickperson with godly hidden powers until he saw how TSC actually tried to save him during the "wanted" episode when TCO got shot by the merchenaries that left him injured. After that i like to imagine that he actually cares about TSC but doesn't show it (hopefully we get more TCO and TSC interactions in the next episode please alan im begging you please please please)
#I SUCK AT EXPLAINING THINGS ARGH#TSC could have just left him there and save himself#but instead he fought till the end to save TCO im gonna cry#if something worse happens to TCO and TSC in the next episode im gonna fucking lose it /neg#ava#alan becker#ava the chosen one#ava the second coming#animator vs animation#my headcanons#my art
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I find it kinda funny how Blue thinks Bad is the one who's leading this war and he's the one with all the big plans when it's actually Tubbo lashing out and Bad is just sitting in a recliner with a pipe, reading a newspaper like "yes princess, that's very good, take my credit card and get whatever you want"
#the realm smp#trsmp#tr!bad#tr!tubbo#badboyhalo#tubbo#Bad would call off this war the second it actually started to negatively affect him#the war doesn't have to happen for his goal to happen but it makes it interesting#obviously Blue wouldn't know any of this#im not being negative towards Blue#im just watching with popcorn
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The lib stasi is monitoring those with ''negative'' views of health insurance companies
#The lib stasi is monitoring those with ''negative'' views of health insurance companies#surveillance#antisurveillance#luigi mangione#health insurance#company#companies#class war#privacy#invasion of privacy#united healthcare#unitedhealth group inc#brian thompson#rest in piss#rest in pieces#rotinpiss#rot in hell#uhc ceo#uhc shooter#uhc assassin#fuck uhc#uhc killer#uhc#fuck ceos#ceo shooting#tech ceos#ceo second au#ceo shot#ceos#ceo information
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George and Sapnap in the other room

#I spent ten seconds on this pls laugh#dream situation#gnf neg#sapnap neg#Not really but I don’t like them either so!#she speaks yet they say nothing
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Hunter and Luz's deaths being reverses of each other is crazy work in so many ways. Hunter is working on his emotional well-being, and beginning to accept himself. He lists the things he wants to do in order to stay focused so he can take himself (and Belos) out. Hunter hasn't been able to fully escape his trauma, in fact it literally overtakes him and he hurts people he loves, and he's holding onto the potential life he won't get due to Belos. Hunter's possession is forced on him, it's out of his control, it's the unfair expectations and history of violence that he could try and recover from but it still a part of him.
Luz has been in the exact opposite mindset. She's been really depressed and doesn't see a future for herself where she doesn't hurt everyone in her life because of her guilt. Luz is planning to sabotage her friendships in order to protect her friends from her perceived "brokeness". But her death is sudden and shocking, her sacrifice isn't made out of guilt but of an inherent impulse to save somebody else. Luz has to choose to come back, and she accepts a "possession", where she's in control. Luz has to accept that she's good, that she is worthy of life because she's here, right now, and she is enough.
They both also deal with the aftermath differently, with Hunter grieving and being angry at himself for what happened (which Luz and their friends perceive as him being angry at them). Hunter wants to get revenge on Belos at first, but then his focus shifts to protecting his friends and fighting for the Isles instead. Luz comes back with a lot of joy and excitement, she's happy to be alive again and its fun and she's more than happy to get revenge. After that fades, Luz is left tired. But they both end the series getting on the same page- they both love their families, and they both choose to live.
#the owl house#toh#luz noceda#hunter deamonne#tw death#tw sucidal ideation#thats like super transparent in the show but she doesn't say it directly lmao i thought i'd be safe#i get the vibe that Luz . definitely had to do years of therapy to unpack all that LMAO like how do u explain like yea I fully wanted to#explode and die forever but then I got killed in front of everyone and was like. wait a second WAUGH#Luz like I saw my best friend die and it was really upsetting and then I died the next day BY THE SAME PERSON that was crazy..#i didn't mention that but getting killed by the same person is really funny /neg like. I know ppl read Luz's death as slightly unintentiona#like I don't think he really cared that much about it like he was ok with killing her before#he tried it like a day ago and only didn't bc of Hunter LMAO#i think he was just more. confused that she would help Collector after the harm they did#wait that's gotta be a new post-
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#fan art#digitalart#art#type o negative#peter steele#artist on tumblr#yes#I just tried clip studio paint#I think#this looks great for a second time in a program unknown to me
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doodle dump. don't look at me.I was insane back then
#sighs and runs away#my last two post didn't get much attention SO! I hope this one flops too#it's embarrassing for me to share my aus and stuff cuz...man you see it yourself 😓#but I love it dearly anddd maybe posting it will help with that feeling or smth IDK!!#anyway have a good dayyy#rottmnt#rise of tmnt#rise donnie#tmnt donatello#rottmnt donnie#rise mikey#tmnt michelangelo#rottmnt mikey#rise draxum#baron draxum#rottmnt draxum#<- I'm drawing him for the second time EVER please he looks.meow#(meow in /neg way I do not have enough words)#rise leo#tmnt leonardo#rottmnt leo#yayy I did it#bred's art#arcane rottmnt au
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“Sex-negative” is the current secular reductio-ad-absurdum used to dismiss or discredit ideas, particularly political critiques, that might lead to detumescence [aroused dick deflation]. Critiques of rape, pornography, and prostitution are “sex-negative” without qualification or examination, perhaps because so many men use these ignoble routes of access and domination to get laid, and without them the number of fucks would so significantly decrease that men might nearly be chaste.
Intercourse, Andrea Dworkin
#andrea dworkin#feminism#radical feminism#radical feminist safe#second wave feminism#quotes#radical feminist community#leftism#philosophy#anti sex industry#anti sex work#anti pornography#gender critical#critical theory#sex negativity#feminist#radical feminists do touch#women rights#womens rights
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hello, tumblr user Marzipanandminutiae. before you are two sets of symptoms.
one is your seasonal allergies
the other is a mild case of COVID
syke they are exactly the same set of symptoms; have fun with that
#personal#guessssss who has COVID second time ever#I have really bad allergies sometimes#so I'm kind of primed to expect that from moderate respiratory symptoms#and I do test if I have any such at all mind!#but hey Babby's First False Negative how's it going#the Secret third Option is a mild case of the flu but it hasn't been that in a while#also my housemates who have elected me Household Villain are mad I wasn't masking when I thought it was allergies (two days)#(one of which was Day of Negative test)#and during neither of which did anyone express discomfort with me not masking- I didn't see any of them much either day luckily#but suddenly it's something I should have been doing all along?#another housemate has it and even though we started feeling crummy on the same day I can just FEEL#the 'Marzi got Other Person sick!!!' narrative beginning
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I'm terrified that John is going to die by season's end. And not "oh that would be such a tragic bittersweet ending" terrified, but "dear god please do not ruin 6 seasons' worth of character development" terrified. Because it would not, under any circumstance, be satisfying to take the character whose entire major plot centers around self-discovery, choosing his own path, and forging a new life-- and then end his story in death. A character who repeatedly fantasizes about his future, the kind of joy and confidence that will only come once he's been able to live long enough. A character whose development should naturally conclude in a long, fulfilling, autonomous life.
Except, for some reason, John keeps losing autonomy. He keeps slipping out of Arthur's way and letting him make all the decisions for them instead. He keeps not voicing any independent thoughts, and only talks about things relevant to Arthur specifically. He keeps not using his limbs, and in Part 53 actually completely loses them. I'm not sure where else this is meant to lead John other than an ending in death. Why else would the co-protagonist lose passion and progress on his major motivation and never once complain about it, if this wasn't setting him up to fade out of the picture completely?
I don't know. I don't want to believe that this is where the podcast is heading, but all the evidence that the show has provided for the past several months says that it probably will. I sincerely hope it doesn't, as it would likely ruin the entire show for me personally. I'm just also filled with nothing but anxiety the more I analyze the last season or so
#john is my second favorite character and his sidelining makes me so beyond uncomfortable#like. to the point that ive recently been struggling to relisten to any of the recent episodes#i really wish this hadnt started feeling like the “arthur lester show” post-43#malevolent#malevolent analysis#malevolent neg#tagging neg just in case
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