#tw: syscourse

[kaboom--bitch]

Treating your headmates like separate people isn't worsening your condition by default by the way. Treating them with respect isn't making you dissociate more. Final fusion is a fine thing to try and achieve, but people need to understand that functional multiplicity is a thing you can work to achieve in therapy too. Please stop pushing the idea that you need to treat your headmates like a disorder or curse in order to heal. You can be happily multiple if you want that.

[interstellarsystem]

We're obviously pro-endo and have a lot of headmates who are endogenic, but we do have DID and a lot of trauma worked its way into our formation of our system. Which leaves us in a pretty weird spot in syscourse!

But one of the weirdest things we've noticed is... A lot of the anti endo mindset is completely anti recovery for CDD systems entirely, while claiming to protect them. Often there's the sort of ableist rhetoric that's all about "if you're not suffering, you're not disordered and therefore mocking us or fake".. Which is ridiculous to say the least!

We've seen claims of:

Systems are fake if they're happy they're a system, because if you're happy you're a system then you can't have been traumatised enough to get there.

Systems are fake if they love their headmates in any way, because plurality is a disorder.

Systems are fake if they post "too much" about being happy online, because being plural is a disorder and therefore suffering.

Systems are fake if they never show signs of suffering online.

Systems are fake if they're open about being a system IRL or sometimes at all, because it's a deeply shameful thing.

Systems are fake if they have less amnesia than full-on blackout amnesia, because it's in the DSM.

Systems are fake if they don't dissociate much, because it's in the name of the disorder and the DSM.

And we're here to say that's all plainly incorrect at best. It's also incredibly ableist, anti-recovery and downright harmful to CDD systems who learn they have this disorder, go online for support, and just see discourse and people getting fakeclaimed if they don't show of how much they're suffering online.

Systems can be happy that they're plural. Even if it came from trauma. Why? Well you can be happy that you're any way you are, regardless of how you got there, obviously. But there's also a crucial point here that CDDs and headmates often develop to protect people from trauma. Of course some systems would be glad that they're plural, in a lot of cases it's what literally saved their lives. This goes for the "systems can't love their headmates" thing too--plenty of systems are full of love for their headmates! Not only because they were there for them when it was needed, but because these are--depending on your view--entire people you live with, or parts of yourself. Why are you implying you have to hate that so viscerally to be real?

It's also a pretty well known thing that people tend to post their happier moments online, leading to this perception that they don't suffer. One, because that's how a lot of people work--their personal pages are public after all, and they don't want to be seen as constistently struggling. Two, it's downright dangerous to post in so much detail about your triggers, your trauma and abuse you're currently facing on the internet--even ignoring the fact that you need to be wary of your digital footprint, people can read these posts and use information against you. It's a choice many people make to not hand random people ammo on a silver plate.

Claiming that systems are fake if they're open about being plural in any space is simply ablesim. We've seen this take quite a few times, actually, and it never fails to be some of the most ridiculous ableism we've seen--it comes with a puritan "sweep it under the rug" mindset and the expectation that systems are ashamed of their plurality by default, or that it's simply too dangerous to share. While for a lot of people it is very dangerous to talk about their system so they simply keep that information to themselves, claiming every system should hide it for their entire lives and not expect to be received with kindness, compassion or accommodation is horrible.

As for the amnesia and dissociation... Therapy can help with these! You can actively go to therapy and get strategies to deal with the symptoms that come with a CDD without even going down the final fusion route! You can get it to a point where you have communication with your headmates, where you can switch on command, where you don't dissociate much at all.... You can work toward these goals with the right tools! Why does a system like us who's worked through years of therapy and years of working with ourselves within our own system suddenly get called fake once we start healing?

CDD systems should not have to fit what YOU think a true system should look like. They shouldn't have to suffer on show for you to believe them. They shouldn't have to hide all of themselves away in shame and never have their true selves known. They shouldn't have to pretend they're not recovering to be treated as real. They shouldn't have to feel like they'll be persecuted for simply being happy with who they are as people, or happy with how far they've come.

"Being a system isn't all fun and games" and I'm sure it's not for plenty of people. But do you think it's ok when a CDD system says they love themselves and think their system is fun? Or do you group them in with the endogenics who are "mocking [your] trauma"? Do you really care about people with CDDs at all in that case?

You can say "anti endos aren't ableist because endogenic plurality isn't a disorder" all you like--you're wrong about endogenics not being able to have CDDs by the way, but that's another post--but when you display so much ableist rhetoric toward your fellow CDD systems, I don't know how anyone can see you as "protecting" those with the disorders at all. You can't hide your hatred behind the guise of "protection" when you're harming your own community. You're not protecting us from anyone, you're trying to make us fit into a box full of spikes. It was never about protecting trauma survivors, it was about your personal hatred for others. We shouldn't have to suffer for you.

[possessed-pack]

Okay but will there actually come a day where anti-endos stop being ableist while also accusing others of being ableist? You can't preach that you're "protecting victims" while also sitting there being all "endos/those who support them are delusional!!". Psychosis is not your tool for hate, and psychotic people are no lesser than anyone else and do not deserve to be used to discredit other peoples experiences that you simply don't understand. Traumagenic DID systems who support endos exist, but you hate those too--what happened to protecting "actual trauma survivors"? You are not protecting disabled people, you are using them as a tool to explain your hatred for things you don't care to understand.

[alterhuman-culture-is]

Plural culture is being so tired of people trying to define systems out of "alterhuman" or say they should have never been included. It's ok to be plural and not alterhuman but the term is really broad and opt-in for a reason.

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[disordered-system-culture-is]

DID culture is also having endogenic headmates like walk-ins and tulpas, and being tired of the community infighting. There's always nuance, we're tired of being caught in a rift inbetween the "two sides of syscourse". We're not less disordered just because we also have other headmates.

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[terror-punk]

The fact that people keep coming onto our posts about minorities being open about who you are where you're safe to (destigmatisation, general rights for stigmatised groups of people) saying things like:

We're being harmful to disabled communities (how?)

We're trying to get people killed (???)

We're a radqueer (we hardly know enough about what that means but a few said it in a derogatory way so I'm still adding it)

We're an "endo cunt" (We're a DID system, but yes we're endo friendly! We're quoigenic! Who would've thought that the blog about how people should be able to define their own identities without harrassment even if people fear your identity is pro endo?)

We're trying to make disorders like psychosis "quirky" or "fun" (Disorders don't have to make your entire life hell 24/7, and society shouldn't be allowed to enforce that idea, it's the point of the post! Acting like disorders make your life only miserable and not worth living is siding with ableism! Disability can suck but we shouldn't have to hide it or be swept under the rug!)

That we're delusional in a derogatory way (we have psychosis so I suppose you're correct but your ableism is showing.)

We don't have psychosis ourselves and are speaking for psychotic people without knowing what it's like?

Is kind of.. Sad. I know this is the "piss on the poor" brand of reading comprehension site, but how did a post about how stigmatised people (queers, disabled people, alterhumans, etc) shouldn't have to hide their identies under a mask of normalcy turn into accusing us of being malicious? We stand by the fact that stigma shouldn't be a thing, and that people with marginalised identities should be allowed to speak and be who they are without judgement. You're kind of just proving to us that the post we wrote is needed, in the end. We and people like us are treated horribly for being public about ourselves and we're not going to sit there and take it, so we're not going anywhere and not shutting up.

We will say the overwhelming majority of responses to the post are positive--some even thankful, and we appreciate those responses a lot. I'm just so confused as to how people got from point a to point b when the literal point of the post is that people shouldn't get hurt just because they're open.

[funeral--pyre]

What's with all the created system discourse lately. Like yeah created systems have been yelled at for being endos for a while now but we're seeing it separately from that and specifically targeted a lot lately.

Like okay, you don't believe someone can create a system willingly? That's cool if you're not an asshole about it. The same as an otherkin may not believe that past lives exist and only see them as psychological, yet they still respect and don't dismiss otherkin who feel their kintypes come from past lives. They're as valid as anyone else with the experience, they just don't see eye to eye on how it was formed--but that doesn't matter because they have the experience shared between them.

Sure, there's differences between created and noncreated plurals in their experiences. But largely it literally boils down to still being plural. Why does someone else having different beliefs and living that experience affect you? Why do you have to comment? Why do you have to come at em on anon? Why can't you have the decency to just... Block them if you really hate it?

You can think literally whatever you want about the brain and what it's capable of. You can even ignore the literal actual studies done on tulpas if you want. I don't care WHAT you do, have your beliefs if you want to hold them. But it crosses a line into you actually being the harmful one when you decide to harrass people you don't agree with. ESPECIALLY when there's literal studies that have been done on tulpas--a common form of created plurality. Learn to block things you don't like and move on like a person with any actual self control, instead of throwing tantrums when you can't fathom someone being a little different.

[the-star-cluster-system]

tw: a tiny bit of syscourse but what else can you expect from the blog every now and then/Exag (Exaggeration)

so, I think this has already been clarified from out past posts of ours, but we are very anti-endo. There is no proof from certified doctors or certified studies that show that endo’s can actually exist.

Also, if a(n pro-)endo reads this. Look at my tags, we have endo’s dni in there, we are not asking for you to break our boundaries and send us (pro-)endo “studies”. If you do reblog our post with (pro-)endo bullshit, we will just straight up block you. We do not need a reason to, you disrespect our boundaries, you get blocked. And if you are offended by what we say, you can just block us. It is that easy.

as I was saying, endo’s can’t fucking exist. There is no proof for them. Also, how would some of the shit that they do even work. Like, for example, system hopping. How the fuck are you ment to take one alter from one system into another. Like, motherfucker, stop faking a mental illness.

if someone said that they made themselves have ADHD, Autism, Schizophrenia, PTSD, or litterally any other mental disorder and said similar shit that endo’s say, they would get harassed by the entire internet. So why the hell are CDDs suddenly available to be faked and have an entire support groups dedicated to them. You guys don’t have the trauma in order to be a system. You don’t have the fucking qualifiers to be a system. You can’t be a system and not be disordered. That’s not how fucking systems work.

you guys will never understand how it will be to cry over trauma that you remember but never actually happened. You don’t understand the paranoia of worrying if people are going to use you like what happened if your source. You will never understand anything about CDDs. Why, because you aren’t a fucking system.

So please, stop. Stop invading our spaces. Stop using our terms. Stop acting like you are like us. Stop acting like you experience anything about being a system. Because you don’t. Because you aren’t a system. So just shut up, stop faking a system and stop being ableist. You are not a system. You will never be a system. So just stop faking and leave our spaces. We are sick and fucking tired of you guys. Trauma survivors shouldn’t have to make their own terms in order to specify that they aren’t faking. They shouldn’t have to block tags of people who think that they can will themselves into being a system. They shouldn’t have to make their own terms and spaces because ableist fakers think that they are a system just because they said so.

Rant over. And (pro-)endo’s. No, you can not fucking change my mind into being pro endo. Fuck off! 🖕🏻🖕🏻🖕🏻🖕🏻🖕🏻

bye bye!

[schizospec-culture-is]

not culture, how come the most recent posts are tagged with endo safe when the others aren't ?

^ genuinely asking not tryna start discourse

We're pro endo (though while we are a system, we're not endogenic), and want others to know that this isn't a space that will discriminate, because a lot of blogs even for unrelated disorders tell endos to DNI. Which, yes, we think while people are entitled to their boundaries, it's unfair when things not remotely related to endogenic systems block them out.

To clarify, though, we don't go through notes and block people because of their syscourse stance, this blog has no DNI. We don't go through the notes blocking people at all unless they're harrassing others and such. If you're schizospec, you're welcome here, we don't go digging for things we personally disagree with.

The pro endo tag is simply to let people know, both for the sake of their own DNIs if they wish, and for the sake of endogenic plurals who happen to be schizospec feeling safe here. As long as syscourse isn't started in the notes, we're not going to block anyone from any side or stop them from interacting. At the end of the day, this blog is for schizospecs, so as long as there's no harrassment we don't care who you are--we literally would never have the time to go through and block people who interact even if we wanted to.

[puppygirlfearshakes]

a bit of an afterwards

i am just so tired TW: SYSCOURSE VENT!

So done

Im quitting the system community

I can't do this and im not even sure if they were real except for jace

What id they weren't?

Im fucking done

I AM NOT "WANTING TO BE A SYSTEM" I WAS LONELY AND CLINGING TO WHAT I COULD

it was a joy. So, please don't expect anymore plural POV posts. I STILL SUPPORT ENDOS, ALWAYS WILL!!! But I myself am done.

[daggersandarrows]

sometimes i kind of wonder how many people have fakeclaimed us bc we're like. such prime material for r/didcringe or whatever the fuck they call it. incomplete amnesia. 6/9 are fictives. believe in the existence of nontraumagenic systems. i'm frontstuck all the time. people probably hate us

[kaboom--bitch]

People really be like "endos are ableist that's why I hate them" yet they go into endogenic system tags and spout deliberately paranoia inducing shit like "no one believes you" and "they're all laughing at you" and "they all hate you" and act like it's normal and funny.

I don't give a fuck what you think is real or not, don't put that shit in tags without warnings! People with various fucking mental health conditions are very susceptible to that shit and you're literally just being an ass even if you didn't know that. Don't say shit that is clearly intended to induce paranoia because regardless of what you think of endos, there are other people in those tags and endogenic systems with other disorders. You're literally setting out to hurt people and acting like you're fucking fixing ableism.

At best you have no clue what the gravity of your words are. But it really just reads as you not knowing what ableism even fucking is and just wanting to spout as much hate as possible while using "defending actual DID systems" as your fucking scapegoat to try and get away with it. I see through your shit. Grow the fuck up. If you actually had any good points you'd be using them, and if you gave a single fuck about disabled people you wouldn't resort to calling us delusional or trying to induce paranoia.

[interstellarsystem]

Just a little reminder that being a soulbonder and somehow anti-endogenic at the same time is ridiculous. This is something we've encountered a few times now and it makes literally no sense.

If you join a soulbonding community and get mad that there's endogenic plurals there, maybe read what's on the tin before you open it. Not all soulbonders consider themselves plural (valid and real experience), and some might feel closer to the traumagenic label (also valid and real experience), sure, but... That's like reading a sign that says "dog park" and getting mad that there's dogs in there.

That's our space. If you're a soulbonder, you're experiencing something that many do describe as endogenic plurality. For a lot of em, it's even voluntary endogenic plurality. A type of being more than one entity in a body that doesn't originate from trauma. You don't have to describe it that way for yourself! But at least understand that you are a sibling to the endogenic plural community. You can't go around saying you can't be a system or more-than-one without trauma and that CDDs are the only way to be plural... and then be more-than-one without trauma yourself. Your community is included in the group you're claiming doesn't exist.

[possessed-pack]

Anti-endos commenting on my post about loving systemmates with "oh of course youre endo safe makes sense"--when will these people stop perpetuating the ableist idea that people with disorders have to live in misery 24/7? When will these people stop acting like a system is the absolute worst thing you can be and only results in eternal suffering? How do their headmates feel knowing these opinions? How do they use their unwillingness to treat any aspect of their disorder as positive to the point where it's a weapon they use to call anyone who has any positive experience about it a faker? How do they not see that this is the same sentiments that ableists use against all disabled people to devalue them or say we should be put out of our misery? How is this healing? How does this help?

Like yeah, you expect a hate group to act with hate but I genuinely worry for some of these people because it just seems like they're not even led to believe they have the ability to heal in any capacity. The way anti-endos are structured leads anyone who sides with them to go down this path of "systems are never fun or happy and life is suffering and pain and will be forever". It really isn't. There can be suffering, there can be pain, but joy and safety are just as real and just as achieveable. We're a DID system, shit sucks sometimes but we're healing--everyone can heal. Everyone can find silver linings. You need to know that you're not doomed. It can take time, but loving your system, the people in it, or the fact that it might have helped you to survive the worst days of your life, is NOT a sign that you are fake. Healing is not a sign of faking.

[interstellarsystem]

This. There's so much more to it, and so much more that should be discussed and talked about in a community setting that isn't just based on alters/headmates. A lot of the other stuff gets so easily overshadowed and it's upsetting.

And sorry for bringing endo/anti endo syscourse onto this, but when people say "only DID/OSDD can have alters!" I can't help but sit there and be like. DID/OSDD and other CDDs are more than just alters. There's traumagenic systems that don't fit the specific criteria for a CDD. DID/OSDD isn't the only way, even in only traumagenic systems. Being plural (as in, more than one) is a symptom of DID, not the entire disorder. Saying you're plural is not the same thing as saying you have a CDD, you can have symptoms without it meaning you have the disorder in the same way that sometimes people can hallucinate and not have a psychotic disorder. I wish more people understood that too.

Y'all really need to learn about DID more outside the context of alters. DID is not just "disordered plurality" - It is a developmental disorder, an attachment disorder, a posttraumatic stress disorder. It is comorbid with many other issues, such as somatic pain syndromes, physical health issues, and a variety of mental illnesses. It is a complex organization of symptoms related to the disrupted healthy development of a child, both in terms of their body and their mind. It is not just about the alters.

[disordered-system-culture-is]

disorderd (specifically DID) system culture is being told you HAD to be a DID system when you told the first person you told. like yeah we are a DID system! but some systems aren't! and i didnt need to know that at FIFTEEN! i had a math class to be failing!

sorry if this is too syscourse-ey lol

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