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[redeyeyuna]

WHEN THE CAMS ARE OFF

So, Nandor and Guillermo are canonically doing some things when when they're not being filmed. With knowing this, I wanted to recap a few things from the season.

This post will mainly focus on how Nandor in particular handled himself subliminally towards the camera in certain situations. Also, that Guillermo faked to leave the vampires in E11 just for the documentary got me thinking which other things could be made up too. Giving a false view of facts just to make the audience think otherwise or to distract them from something specific... This specific thing they wanted to keep private, and didn't want it to be anyone else's business. Cause they wanted to solve and figure it out for themselves without having it exploited to the full in front of the camera. And this is the relationship development (secret affair) between Nandor and Guillermo that ran its course and has been cooked in the background during the sixth season.

[Sorry in advance for grammar mistakes and typos. English is not my first language]

The first hint is alreay in the first episode!

Nandor necessarily has to emphasize that he hasn’t seen Guillermo since he left, and Guillermo immediately throws in that he is telling the truth. But Nadja seems already to know what’s going on between these two idiots.

Also, Nandor trying to help Guillermo by searching for a flat and then suggest him to move into the VERY NEAR garden shed… A practical temporary solution if you don't want to be disturbed by the other housemates. I can well imagine that Nandor already thought of a better place for the two of them at this time. *Caugh* Secret underground lair *Caugh*

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What about Nandor having a crush on the Guide?

... did he really ever have that, though?😏 What if Nandor’s crush on the Guide was made up by himself just for the documentary to distract the crew/viewers from himself and Guillermo, so that they don't keep following them to catch some shots? Yes, I know Nandor’s sudden crush on the Guide was at first caused by the sleep hypnosis… But for Nadja, the hypnosis seemed like a dream… Perhaps Nandor also thought he had dreamt that he suddenly had a crush on the Guide (or maybe Guillermo just told him) and Nandor was like: “You know what? That’s perfect! I use this to distract the doc crew and viewers from me and Guillermo!”

Nandor had one or more love interest in almost every season that he had a crush on. Why should it be any different now?

Due to this the film crew weren’t focussed on following them and wouldn’t wondering if Nandor could actually have something going on with Guillermo. Nandor’s crush on the Guide in general seemed very odd and just pretended for the camera/viewers. Over time, it seemed to appear more and more obviously and artificially.

In E4 "The Railroad" before Nandor said goodbye to the Guide, he looked suspiciously over his shoulder before making his flirtatious move towards her. It seemed as if he was aiming at it. Shouldn't he have been eyeing up his crush instead of making sure he was filmed flirting?

In E7 "March Mandess" Nandor looked very obviously into the camera during the scene used for the flashback, while Nandor is talking to Charmaine about the guide.

I also wonder why it was so important to Nandor that Charmaine would keep the thing of him and the guide to herself. Cause it’s made up and he just mentioned that he would has a crush on someone so that the film crew could add flashback? Generally, threatening to kill her in her sleep just because of that felt a bit too excessive, doesn’t it?

When the Guide finally rejects him perfectly in E9 “Come Out and Play” (you go, Girl!), Nandor seemed to fully ignore her destruction she has thrown at him.

He purposely ignored what she said. Even though he is normally so easily outraged. Especially after these true words that his supposedly "big love" said to him, he should’ve been at least a bit upset.  

Just remember how devastated he was, when Gail rejects him, and she had rejected him way more nicely.

And please just directly compare Nandor’s “look of love” towards the Guide with how he looked at Guillermo in E3…

And the Oscar-worthy performance, in which Nandor fell on his knees saying overdramatically that the Baron should take his life instead of the Guide seemed totally forced.

Also, Nandor knew very well that the Baron wouldn't have killed anyone…

In E11 “The Finale” Nandor and the Guide is only a short topic at the beginning of the episode, when Nadja asked him if Laszlo could use some parts of the Guide for the Monster. Nandor didn't seem to be listening anyway with his mind somewhere else.

After it was announced that the film crew wanted to end the documentary, he didn't even flirt or interact more intensely with the guide in the entire episode.  As if he no longer needed to fool anyone now that he knew the movie crew was leaving.

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What about Nandor still saying mean things towards Guillermo?

I also want to cover up the thing of Nandor remaining to say mean things towards Guillermo and wiping his hand on him after the intense hand clasp cause it was a bit clamy.

I I have read criticism of it in some WWDITS negatively posts. And this opinion is valid, no question. But I could imagine that Nandor only continued to do this for the camera, or it is just a normal thing between them cause they are a very fucked up toxic couple anyway ;)

Look at the slightly unsettled grin on Nandor's face when he gave towards the camera. As if he was worried that this very unusually long-lasting hand clasp could lead to more while the camera is still rolling. So, he had to come up with a quick excuse to end it. This facial expression from Nandor looking directly into the camera is so different from the looks he gave to the camera while interacting with the guide. It is just a short glace towards the lens before he puts his eyes back to Guillermo.

Guillermo looked as if he was sad not to express his gratitude to Nandor the way he would like to (cause of cameras as well maybe?)

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The Finale

Nandor was so obviously happy that the documentary crew were going to leave. He was excited to shoot B-roll footage all the time and he sassily said this when Nadja told him about Guillermo being sad about the end of the documentary:

Looks like someone was really excited to no longer be constantly followed by the camera so that they could continue to focus on "other things"... Also, this reference to the will they/won’t they dynamic of Nandermo is insane.

Colin and Nadja suspecting Guillermo of having a secret relationship with one of the crew members could be an indirectly hint of a secret relationship with Nandor as well. @barren-heart already did this post about it which has made me to create this summary (hope you don't mind me mentioning you here :3).

Nadja possibly saw Guillermo making out with someone who looks like Nandor and maybe it was actually just Nandor!

She just don’t recognised it that fast cause they might quickly disappeared somewhere OR it was just another hint from Nadja, because she knew. She had become a bit of a nandermo shipper this season ;)

In the last speech of Nandor for the documentary it was so clearly to notice that the lair is only a metaphor for Nandor’s private life with Guillermo after the film crew would be gone...

This directly glance into the camera during the speech pause... As if he explicit wanted to make clear that he wanted to say something different when the cameras would be off.

And Guillermo’s reaction during that scene is so fucking funny. He seemed to have a moment of hope that Nandor would actually reveal their affair, but no it is the superhero lair again.

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The Final Scene

In the background, there was played the same song that was used in the pilot episode for the post-credits. I like that really much!

🎶“Tonight in the Moonlight” (Morrie Morrison Orchestra)🎶 Tonight in the moonlight When silver blends with blue We'll do the thing all lovers do Lingering on till dawn breaks through Tonight in the moonlight with you

And again that offensive look into the camera from Nandor in the middle of his speech and Guillermo trying to get something specific out of him...

If, by this time, someone still does not consider Nandermo to be canon, then I can no longer help them xD

Subtext is their thing! That's always been the case throughout all the seasons! And in such a way that it was already too subtle to be subtext.

However, even Guillermos love sick puppy eyes and his cute “What about one… one of the other reasons?" didn't caused Nandor to spit it out. He bravely continued to avoid eye contact and was trying very hard not to become weak.

When Guillermo said that he won’t be here anymore after Nandor would wake up, Nandor’s description of their secret lair feels forced, which again supports the thesis of an actual love cave: “But what about us joining forces and fighting crime in a coequal partnership? Operating out of a hidden underground lair accessible exclusively by a top-secret coffin elevator.”

Of course, Nandor believed that Guillermo wouldn't leave and was just putting on a show for the camera. He knows his Guillermo better than anyone else...

And THIS look of Nandor’s face when he wanted Guillermo to sit with him inside his coffin comparing with a confirming deep voicing “Mm-hmm”

Oh boy, as if they are going to do very spicy things in that lair...

Then finally the relevation of Nandor’s masterpiece...

During the whole season Guillermo had a problem with sexual things in front of the camera while Nandor had a problem with expressing deep and meaningful feelings while the crew was filming. And because of that they prefer do both things IN THE SHADOWS!

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So, this my view of Season 6 and the Finale and also my special tribute to my most favorute show! 🦇♥️

It has become longer than expected. Thank’s to everyone who has taken the time to read it this far!

[kjthenbee]

The more I think about the Nandermo interview scene at the end of S6E3, the more I realize just how significant that entire scene is for Nandor as a character.

These first three episodes have told us multiple times that Nandor is not the person he used to be - he is no longer a purely violent, apathetic, selfish man (though he obviously retains some of those qualities). He's changed - he's softer. And Guillermo is the reason for this change.

We've seen how Nandor used to treat Guillermo early on in the series. I can imagine that when little 19yo Guillermo first came to him, Nandor was dismissive, thinking of him as nothing more than another familiar that he was going to string along for years - and, of course, bright-eyed young Guillermo, who was willing to do whatever it took to become a vampire, wouldn't have cared how he was treated.

But now, 15 some years later, everything is different. Guillermo isn't his familiar anymore. They aren't bound by the power imbalance of that relationship any longer. Guillermo has become someone important to Nandor, possibly more important than anyone has ever been before. No matter how much shit they've gone through, or how much Nandor has fucked things up, Guillermo has always stayed, and he has always cared. Even when he does leave, he never stays gone for long. Nandor has never experienced this type of a relationship with someone before - a relationship with someone who loves and cares for him unconditionally.

In the interview scene, Nandor totally could have messed with Guillermo, could have just... not taken him seriously. He could have done the interview in the main room with all the other vampires and had a laugh about the whole thing, but he didn't. He specifically took Guillermo to a private room to conduct the "interview". And the entire time, he treated it with the utmost sincerity- and you can see it in the way he looks at Guillermo with such attentiveness, such fondness. He lets him talk, and just listens. When Guillermo talks about not having many friends as a child, Nandor sympathizes and tells him that that must have been hard even if he himself does not know what this is like. He smiles with him, and laughs with him.

On top of all of this, Nandor very much could have left Guillermo hypnotized - he could have had his former meek, obedient familiar back by his side. The Nandor from just a couple of seasons ago might have done just that. But now, he's learned. He knows that he can't do that to Guillermo. He can't do that to someone he genuinely loves cares about deeply. The Guillermo that he knows now - confident, competent, and sure of himself - is the Guillermo he loves. Nandor does not want to take that away from him for his own selfish reasons. So, he just lets himself have one thing: Guillermo can sleep under the stairs one last time, then he'll unhypnotize him, and things will be back to the way they were - with them at a distance. But at least Guillermo will be himself.

Soooo yeah. I really hope that this is not just fanservice or whatever and that the writers are actually setting something up between them this time. I want so badly to believe that we might actually get some payoff to this 5 season long will-they-won't-they setup. I mean, seriously - what do the writers have to lose with this being the final season?

I'm trying not to keep my expectations too high just because of how many times we've been burned in the past, but this scene (along with the shed scene where Nandor was still talking like Nixon lmao) have gotten me hopeful again...

So here I am, back in Nandermo hell, one last time...

[cordeliavenable]

i knew they changed guillermo’s title card a bunch of times in s4 so i was curious what titles he has had - this is all of them! (this is only for s1-s4 because they haven’t shown titles in s5 - just names)

season one

season two

season three

season four

[darkshrimpemotions]

Was talking to some WWDITS friends and had a Realization. This is a synthesis of a lot of conversations that I've had over the past year or so, so I'll try to credit any of my friends who put specific pieces together for me.

In the early seasons, Nandor both casually touches Guillermo and allows a level of easy familiarity and touchiness from Guillermo that we see him shy away from in later seasons. I had just assumed this changed because Nandor found out Guillermo was a vampire killer, but now I'm rethinking that assumption in light of season 6.

Nandor has NEVER been afraid of Guillermo. His reaction to his little familiar being a vampire killer has mostly been amusement or excitement. He gets a kick out of it! He thinks it's cool! He even brags about it. And he demonstrates multiple times (3x01, 5x10 for example) that he trusts Guillermo with his life.

So what if that's not the reason? Given what @karofsky and others have pointed out about the constant camera checking and the comments from Nandor in 6x11 about being glad the cameras will be gone soon, given how touchy Nandor is in general with the people he cares about as both karofsky and @bom-beii pointed out to me, given how Guillermo KEEPS going back in for affection despite getting rebuffed, like it's something he was used to getting from Nandor and forgets is not okay anymore... (I genuinely can't remember who said that first but it's an EXCELLENT point, like who keeps seeking affection from someone who never gives it and has never given it? Most people would give up and be afraid to ask anymore!).

What if Nandor becomes less and less comfortable with this level of casual intimacy in front of the cameras as he becomes more and more aware of how much he craves it and how important it is to him? From Guillermo specifically?

Like before Nandor started realizing his feelings, touching Guillermo was no big deal. But the second his feelings for Guillermo really started to assert themselves, he started realizing how much more he wanted and started pulling away because of it? (Thank you @badgerswake for yes-anding me on this!)

I mean, we see via Marwa in 4x06 how MUCH Nandor wants to say sweet things to Guillermo, touch Guillermo, cuddle him and kiss him, and tell him how important he is. "I don't know what I would do without you," she says. And once she touches him, it's like she can't STOP, like she has too many feelings to express in a single hug or kiss. And how many little moments do we see Nandor reach for Guillermo's hand only to then jerk away like he's affronted at the touch HE initiated?

I wonder when Nandor realized if he ever embraced Guillermo he would be unable to stop? And I wonder when he decided that was something he wanted to keep just for THEM, not the cameras? I'd say sometime in mid-season 2.

TL;DR: With the cameras gone, Guillermo is never getting anything done again unless he can do it with Nandor hanging off his body and whimpering any time Guillermo stops playing with his hair. I, for one, wish him a very get cuddled forever.

[fanfic-fugue]

Listen: Laszlo found the cure for vampirism. He found the cure, and doesn’t know what to do about it. It caused him to shut down for 3 weeks because now that he’s found it? It’s caused a malfunction.

Why would he shut down? Why wouldn’t he just give it to Guillermo and move onto his next hobby?

Well….

Laszlo, who says time and time again how much he loves being a vampire, mister “I became a vampire to suck blood and fuck forever”, is actually the one in the house with the most connections to humanity. His knowledge of human culture, his human friends, his life as Jackie Daytona… for fuck’s sake, his favorite hobby is GARDENING.

A foray into the sun for one day made him radiant, the smile on that face was priceless, but that was just a one time thing. He could, in his mind, still be a vampire and enjoy one day in the sun. But once he found the cure, that could be every day.

His entire identity (to himself) is being a vampire, and he is madly in love with a woman who, i do not believe for once second, would even entertain the idea of taking a cure for herself. Nadja LOVES being a vampire through and through, but does Laszlo, really?

His hypnosis skills aren’t the best, he can’t do telekinesis or pyrokinisis. He can’t fly as high as the others. He doesn’t claw up walls. He doesn’t have any special powers that we know of. I don’t think it’s because he’s deficient at all, I think it just simply doesn’t interest him. Beyond yelling “BAT!”, and making the most of that infinite libido, does he truly revel in vampirism?

So yeah… I think he’s found the cure and doesn’t know where to go next. I think he feels tempted to take it, and it’s fracturing his identity.

We will see if I’m wrong next week.

[cottoncandysprite]

Ok I lied I'm still delusional. Can we talk about how this:

was while Nandor was saying Guillermo can now think about what he Really Wants and how that sets up his arc from here because it's actually fascinating the more i think about it.

It's very much implying that, without the veil of wanting to be a vampire, Guillermo will now start to really reevaluate WHY he's still with the vamps, and more importantly, with Nandor. He sees them as his family, sure, but how will he maintain that? Will he just stay with them until he dies of old age? What does he want out of it? And of course, that all leads to the biggest conclusion: He wants Nandor. It was never the vampirism-- It was always about respect, belonging, and love. He just wants to be there, with Nandor and the others, for all eternity. Just, y'know, without the killing (for now, at least).

Obviously vampirism may be the eventual solution to the whole mortality thing in their relationship, but that will be when both of them are ready. Nandor needs to realize his feelings, and Guillermo needs to sort his whole mental shit out and accept himself without vampirism. Like we've said from the start, they need to wrap up BOTH of their arcs for a satisfying turning. And it needs to be Nandor doing it. Likely in the series finale unfortunately but thats just how writing works 🤷

So yeah its a frustrating place to be in but the road ahead actually looks pretty bright! Especially now that they seem to be communicating their feelings a little better!!!

[psmith73]

The only criticism I have for the WWDITS finale is that they baited Harvey singing and dancing number and never delivered on that. They should've done one of the dream sequences a musical parody, something about 30 going on 31 or whatever along the lines. Harvey can dance and sing as we know from that one episode of Zoey's Extraordinary Playlist.

[cookinguptales]

The power is still out so I guess I’ll get started on that meta now.

One thing that I think is really fascinating about this season as a whole is that it’s really, really emphasizing the power Nandor and Guillermo have to accidentally hurt each other. It’s kind of fascinating, tbh, because this whole show it’s been Nandor purposefully but also accidentally hurting Guillermo — but this season, it’s been very much the other way around.

Let me start with Nandor’s history of this. It happens in almost every episode, being honest with you, but two of the clearest instances were in 1.01 and 4.09.

In the very first episode, we’re introduced to the relationship that Nandor and Guillermo have by how they behave on their 10th anniversary as a master-familiar partnership. Guillermo is practically giddy at the idea that his beloved master is finally going to make him a vampire, and he’s hurt deeply when he not only does not do so, he appears to have forgotten altogether how long Guillermo has been there.

We feel bad for Guillermo here, but… well, let’s look at it from Nandor’s perspective. Yes, he forgot how long Guillermo’s been there, but… being real with you, the vampires seem to have a very shaky grasp on time at the best of times. They don’t understand human lifespans at all, they have very fuzzy memories for when things happen, and almost every time they make time estimates they’re off by a hilarious amount. I don’t know that we can fully blame Nandor for not realizing that an entire decade has gone by — he, like the other vampires, tends to live simultaneously in the Long Time Ago and the Right Now and any time in between those periods is ?????

So to him, he’s remembered when their anniversary is (already a success) and has put hours into making a handmade art project for his very endearing familiar. He is sure that Guillermo is gonna love this. He thinks he is absolutely acing this being-a-vampiric-master thing.

But we know that his gift depicting the two of them as vampires together is really just rubbing salt in the wound, because we’re approaching this thing as humans — like Guillermo.

Then again in 4.09, Nandor straight-up steals Guillermo’s boyfriend and inadvertently puts the events in motion that will lead to Guillermo’s boyfriend leaving him for his own clone. Terrible behavior! This hurts Guillermo deeply! His very first boyfriend cheating on him (sort of) with the man he’s been in love with for over a decade and then leaving him altogether for another man he is cheating with (definitely) who also happens to be his own clone.

That’s traumatizing!

But… again, let’s look at it from Nandor’s (very stupid) POV. He knows that Guillermo losing his boyfriend will hurt him, but he also wants to have said boyfriend. So he comes up with a solution that, to his mind, will make everyone happy: let Guillermo keep his boyfriend but also make a clone of him so he can have him, too.

I think it’s very important to note here that, catty as it was to say, Nandor was right. He definitely could have stolen Guillermo’s Freddie without too much work. The guy’s a philanderer. But instead of doing that, he used up one of his last three wishes to make his own Freddie specifically to avoid hurting Guillermo. And then he seemed genuinely confused when Guillermo was hurt anyway. He then tried to do whatever he could to make Guillermo stop hurting, including offering him his own Freddie, until he ultimately gave up a toy that he truly loved so Guillermo would hurt less.

Again, from Nandor's POV he has made a significant sacrifice for Guillermo’s well-being. He has given up a man that he really, really liked so Guillermo would stop being so heartbroken. Moreover, this is a man that, to his mind, he got the hard way instead of the easy way that would have hurt Guillermo more.

So he still thinks he’s doing great at this relationship, even if we know he is ultimately breaking Guillermo’s heart.

(And as an aside here, I think it’s fascinating that Guillermo really did seem to understand exactly what was going on, too. He knew that Nandor’s decision to clone Freddie wasn’t about Nandor wanting Freddie, it was about Nandor wanting all of Guillermo’s attention on him at all times, and that’s why he was angry.)

Anyway… that’s all a really long way to get to my point, which is this. We’ve seen Nandor play this out a hundred times, doing something he thought was fine only for it to devastate Guillermo. We understand human lifetimes, relationships, and emotions, so we understand why Guillermo is upset. But, and this is key, Nandor doesn’t.

So season five finally shows this happening in reverse. I’m not going to say that Guillermo hasn’t hurt Nandor before, purposefully or otherwise, because he has. But boy did he really fuck things up this time.

Like Nandor, Guillermo didn’t do any of it on purpose. He was never trying to hurt Nandor or upset social norms when he paid Derek to bite him. But vampiric priorities are as foreign to Guillermo as human priorities are to Nandor. He did something he thought was totally fine and value-free only to find that he didn’t just transgress a social norm, he transgressed the big one. He didn’t just do something that would hurt Nandor, he did something that will destroy him.

He didn’t mean to. His misunderstanding was understandable to us, fellow humans. But that doesn’t make it okay. Just like it wasn’t okay when Nandor stole his fucking boyfriend.

It's almost like this was tailor-made to force the audience to think about how the vampires have been interacting with Guillermo for years. This time Guillermo didn't know something about their culture, and obviously we didn't either. So we felt that same dawning horror when we understood how big the accidental fuck-up was — and we had to come to terms with the fact that this is how Nandor feels about Guillermo all the time.

Anyway... Guillermo’s big angst trigger seems to be being undervalued by the people he loves. It’s when someone who he loves with everything he has does not love him back. We see that devastation hit him both of the times that Nandor accidentally hurt him in this post, along with a thousand other times. I think, in fact, it is his main drive as a character: doing everything he can to be valued. It’s why he wants to be a vampire. It’s why he serves the vampires. It’s why he lies to his family. It’s depressing and it’s codependent and it’s unhealthy, but that’s Guillermo.

Nandor’s big angst trigger, on the other hand, seems to be abandonment. He is so fucking terrified of the people that he loves leaving him, and that seems to be rooted pretty firmly in his experiences when he was still alive. (Jehan, his wives running away, etc.) He’s so scared of Gail leaving him that he just tries harder to win her back when he discovers she’s cheating on him. He’s so scared of Laszlo leaving him that he gets angry when Laszlo makes new friends. He’s so scared of Guillermo leaving him in 2.08 that he’s willing to humiliate himself to bring him home. His primary drive really seems to be hoarding the people he loves close — too close for comfort sometimes. He tries so hard to force a connection that he ironically tends to sever it. Just look at his poor descendent Madeleine. :’)

And just as Nandor constantly sets off Guillermo’s devaluation trigger, Guillermo constantly sets off Nandor’s abandonment trigger. Every time he leaves or even just threatens to do so, Nandor goes ballistic. But it seems like the only thing that sets him off more than Guillermo leaving is Guillermo staying where he is but being emotionally absent. He doesn’t know how to handle a Guillermo who has replaced him while they’re still living in the same home. Right now he thinks that Guillermo has replaced him with Laszlo as a hang-out buddy, and that’s bad enough — how will he respond when he finds out that Guillermo has replaced him with Derek in a much more intimate way?

Guillermo’s doing everything he can to spare Nandor’s feelings in this season, but it seems like every decision he makes just upsets Nandor more. Nandor feels replaced, abandoned, and neglected, and he’s going to feel that way a hell of a lot more when he sees the truth.

Guillermo has always been shown to be capable of hurting Nandor in intimate ways that no one else can. From the very first episode, we’re made abundantly aware that Guillermo chooses to take Nandor’s shit. He twitches that curtain to the side and we realize that no matter how strong Nandor is, Guillermo has the ultimate power in this relationship. Guillermo can hurt Nandor like no one else can because Nandor trusts him to protect him while he’s asleep.

Then Guillermo becomes this legendary slayer and he can actually physically hurt Nandor like no one else can just because he’s stronger than even the most powerful and respected vampires in the Tri-State Area.

But we’re seeing now that Guillermo can also hurt Nandor emotionally like no one else can. Nandor gave him that power, too, didn’t he? This whole series, Nandor has been the one hurting Guillermo over and over, but this season is making it so fucking clear that Guillermo has the power to do it right back. Even if he doesn’t mean to.

Especially if he doesn’t mean to, maybe.

The two of them are so terrible at communicating with one another. Just. So fucking terrible. And that’s a lot of how Nandor accidentally hurt Guillermo over and over throughout the years. And it’s how Guillermo has just straight-up gutted him now.

[edandstede]

nandor seeing guillermo being praised by jordan and deciding to tell guillermo he’s proud of him, that jordan is right to like him so much, as a desperate attempt to show him he can be like jordan too. he knows guillermo is pulling away and has been for a while now

nandor choosing scarborough fair to be played on the radio, a medieval song about unrequited love where the man expects the woman to perform impossible tasks, and then she’ll be his true love. simon and garfunkel’s version also heavily features war imagery, referencing a general giving orders to his soldiers who fight for a cause they long ago forgot. he then later plays a classic breakup song by jojo, which is a fucking hilarious gag for starters and very nandor, but it is about a spurned lover who believed her partner’s lies and were promised forever only to be let down. it’s also specifically about being cheated on, which says a lot about how nandor feels about guillermo and jordan

nandor being so hurt that he regressed back into his former self, the warlord, wearing literal armour to block out everything, ordering guillermo away as he’s the enemy. he becomes cold and brutal in the face of heartbreak. he took this blow so hard and felt it was the only way to protect himself and lash out in the process, wanting to make the company pay for taking guillermo away from him and also causing him to lose his job which had genuinely given him purpose and enjoyment

guillermo saying that their purposes are leading them in different directions and that’s okay, but neither acknowledging that they’re just grasping at straws because they don’t know what they want anymore. or rather they do, but they don’t know how to face it, how to discuss it, how to begin to unpack it. guillermo wanted vampirism until he realised what he’d have to do and give up, and nandor really did want guillermo by his side until he had to show guillermo a kindness and let him keep his humanity — a choice we know nandor wishes he could have, given his past pursuits of humanity himself

if they stepped back and looked at it, their paths are conjoined, and though they’re diverted now they will merge again because they both have what the other wants if they’d just open their fucking eyes and figure out where they go from here, how they make it work

fuck me man

[memosminifridge]

everybody talking about "ooh this is a great betrayal, guillermo should have been patient, he gave himself away when he could have been turned by the greatest vampire" etc etc making guillermo cry

THIS IS NANDOR'S DAMN FAULT!! he should've put a fucking ring on it when he had the chance for 13 years! The way he acted it's no wonder guillermo thought he was gonna be a benji, old af and never turned. nandor was definitely gonna string him along forever if he didn't do something. and now nandor wants to be all hurt. it is YOUR!👏 FAULT!👏

bitch ass nandor

anyways im loving it >:D

[redeyeyuna]

Nandermo’s first time?

Just love to keep digging for more hints about Nandermo having something off camera :3 and I am convinced that Nandor and Guillermo had sex for the first time between 03x03 “Gail” and 03x04 “The Casino”.

I think Guillermo taking care of Nandor as his heart guard has caused something further between these two. This is very noticeable at the end of 03x03: How Nandor looks at Guillermo after he petted Nandor’s back and the tiny, sweet smile after that.

And the grin on both of their faces just doesn’t stop…

The way they interact in this scene with each other is unlike anything we had seen before in the show.

Then just one episode later in 03x04 Nadja, Laszlo and Colin want to know more about Guillermo’s sex life.

After Guillermo and Nandor canonically teased in the Finale that there was something going on between them off camera, Nandor’s thought during his ✨iconic casino reaction ✨now in retrospect seems to be like: “Oh fuck, I am his little secret…”

And I love Nandor’s glance towards Nadja and Laszlo after Guillermo tells them that he wants to keep this thing private. As if Nandor thinks: “You see?! Guillermo wants to keep it private!! Do not ask him again about that!” ;)

I do not think it was a secret relationship at that point yet, though, more just a sex-thing. It might have been sort of a one-time mistake for them, and neither of them knew how to deal with it in combination with growing feelings during S3.

They probably disagreed in particular on what a relationship between them should mean or what kind basis it should have: Excessively sex-positive Nandor who is bad at handling feelings towards his van Helsing-DNA-Bodyguard/Familiar VS. shy, sexually repressed Guillermo who is more open emotionally.

Nandor starring at Guillermo while Laszlo talks about sex looks like as if Nandor wants to know exactly how Guillermo will react to this.

Guillermo and Nandor may have had a similar talk, e.g. how things should continue between them now and how it might not have been a problem for Nandor to just casually carry on like this without anyone realizing that the vampire had a thing with his familiar. Meanwhile, for Guillermo sex is not the most important thing and he would rather build a fundamental relationship with someone and is not the type for a poly-thing.

With that reaction Nandor doesn’t seem to see himself as the one who would get into a real relationship with Guillermo at this time. The gentle nodding and his look down seem sad. He know that polyamorous is not Guillermos thing and if Guillermo had found someone else, he would have wanted to stop what was going on between him and Nandor.

Nevertheless, Nandor seems to wish for something like this for his relationship with Guillermo. Almost through whole scene, Nandor searches Guillermos face for hints as to whether he might want to get involved into a casual-poly thing after all, while Guillermo doesn’t look at him once, mostly looking down and only looking over at Laszlo and Nadja from time to time.

I think this reflects their dynamic at that time very well. Nandor is mostly the one who tends to be a dick towards Guillermo, though but Guillermo on the other hand leaves him in the dark about what he really felt towards him. Yes, he had shown jealousness towards Gail but not directly to Nandor and Nandor did not know that Guillermo had also used the cloak of duplication and talked to Meg.

Nandor probably still thinks that Laszlo had talked to Meg about Guillermo in his form. Nandor still has to think that Guillermo only wanted to be turned into a vampire without further feelings for him. Even if they had sex, I don't think they talked about deeper feelings for each other.

But I assume that they must have talked about Guillermos sexuality and that he hadn't been brought up to be so open about sex in general by his family. After Guillermo says that going off after finding the one and still fuck many others like Nadja and Laszlo was not the case with is parents and Laszlo wants to know more, Nandor looks to Nadja and Laszlo with a piercing glance and then back to Guillermo as if he wants to ask Guillermo: “Do you really want to tell them?”

Nandor had recently found out from Meg that there are women who only like women. So why shouldn't he have also heard from Guillermo recently that he only like men and that it was difficult for him to deal with coming out all his life?

Nandor looks at Guillermo intently when Guillermo decides to talk more about it before he will be interrupted by Seanie.

Nervous Guillermo looking directly at the camera cause he actually needs his things to be private and supportive Nandor still not taking his eyes off him. And it is so funny how things change…

In 06x11 Nandor is the one who looks nervously at the camera and wants things private while Guillermo fixes his eyes oh him.

Nandor has no problem with being sex-positive on camera until it is about a person he really cares for and has to reveal deeply feelings. And these feelings for Guillermo have grown steadily.

Almost the same applies to Guillermo: He has a problem with being sex-positive on camera until he can connect it with deep feelings for a person. He certainly wouldn't have talked and discussed so extensively about any other penis than Nandors 😉 (shoutout to amazing Season 4 my love)

[thatblackdress]

Once again thinking about the possible Nandor turning human pathway, specifically with this Nandor/Guillermo exchange if it got used as foreshadowing:

Guillermo: You know, I do know what it feels like to lose your purpose. I used to wanna be a vampire so bad it guided every choice I made. I mean, don’t get me wrong. I’m happy I’m a human again, but it was hard. It was hard waking up every day with that not being the goal, to be a vampire.

Nandor: Well, I am already a vampire, so that only sort of applies.

Guillermo: Right. Well the point is, I think I found a new purpose. You will too, somewhere. But maybe, right now, our purposes are taking us in different directions.

As if Nandor hasn’t been yearning to be human long before Guillermo started to. As if their purposes aren’t different at all anymore. Their dreams for themselves have never been more similar.

“I am already a vampire” - the only real difference between them here, is their baseline position for this purpose (even when Guillermo was turned, he was never a vampire long enough for that to be his baseline; not like it is for Nandor).

And maybe centuries ago, Nandor did see vampirism as his purpose (like Guillermo did), but he also woke up “one day” no longer being driven by that.

The cruel thing is, Guillermo returned to being a human almost the instant he felt his purpose change—but Nandor’s purpose changed years ago, and he has never been able to actualise it the way Guillermo did.

“That only sort of applies” 😔

[bottombaron]

'vampire must not kill vampire' and Nandor killing Derek and all that but have we talked abt Guillermo letting Nandor kill Derek?? and i don't even mean as Guillermo's desire to protect a friend, but in the context of Nadja's scolding Guillermo's treatment of Derek earlier in the episode and her 'this is a sacred relationship. you have to protect him like we protect the baron and the sire.' talk.

this is a sacred relationship. you have to protect him.

and its not like Nandor doesn't know that, he's the oldest of all of them. he probably gives the most respect and differs more to the Baron than the three (Nadja and Laszlo are mostly just horny for him lol) but he still kills Derek for Guillermo.

idk it just adds more weight to the whole thing for me y'know? like Nandor is literally severing this sacred relationship. he's performing an even greater blasphemy: its a vampire killing another for the express goal of defiling a covenant. so he can have Guillermo. and Guillermo is letting him. wants him to. because he wants Nandor too.

idk what all that means but it sounds kinky to me ok

[elevenstork]

I love this show because on the surface it's this silly high-camp gay vampire comedy, about found-family, and self-discovery and silly little shenanigans that they get themselves into because they really don't get how humans work.

But then you keep watching

We all root for Guillermo to finally become a vampire; and then

that maybe, what you initally thought was the best for you, your purpose in life is just doesn't works out.

You put everything up onto that one card, sacrificied everything else in life for it. And you're standing there, scared, because it was seemingly still wasn't enough.

And what else could you do? What’s even left of you? What's left of you if you suddenly lose the one thing that you built your entire life and self-worth around?

Are you still the same you or you're now irrevocably altered, and just can't go back?

They do everything they can and still can't quite understand what being a human is like anymore, and it's painful to watch because they're trying so hard.

Nadja looks for her people, starts a club; Laszlo makes new friends, does boys-noghts with them; Colin lands a job, falls in love; Nandor dates people, gets married.

And time and time again, it's all just comes back to them.

They're trapped in a never ending cycle, because they can't let go; they desperatley cling to these last fragrances of their humanity and it always stays just out of reach.

And they can't do it any differently, and you can't help but wafch.

Sunrise. Sunset.

[wolfnight2012]

Yes, Nandor fell to his knees when the Baron dumped "Guillermo's" body in the foyer. (In Front Of his entire family [sans Colin Robinson] and the Baron!) As if he could no longer bring himself to care about who saw him break down/how weak he might be perceived

Yes, cradled (what he thought was) Guillermo's dead body

Yes, his little half-sobbed "Oh, no" was very telling & heartbreaking

But let's talk about his positively distraught cries when he thought Laszlo was gonna desecrate Guillermo's corpse???

Because that's Guillermo to him. As in, that's still Guillermo to Nandor, even as a corpse.

And that's not something we see often with vampires in the wwdits world

Vampires here seem to simply accept death & move on. Once someone/something is considered dead, it is time to move on

Our main characters do it with the Baron. He gets fried to a crisp, they bury him, say a few half-hearted words, and move on (he's Nadja's sire! He had a trist with both her and Laszlo. He's like, their unofficial superior/boss, in that he can order them to take over North America & just like, move into their home?)

They do it with Colin Robinson, twice! Both when he fakes his death in 2x05 (simply bury him & say a few words) and to a lesser(ish) extent when he "dies" on his 100th birthday (few words, few sentimental touches & thats it, we move on)

Nadja does it with her reincarnated lover, able to drop him/forget about him the moment he dies

iirc, the only instances that don't follow this pattern is when the dead person isn't considered truly dead (yet)

Nandor wastes no real time grieving Gail, because she's not dead dead (yet) he can fix her! She's temporarily not alive at worst.

Topher, similarly, can be revived (or so they think) so he's not dead dead either, because he can be fixed. Once its clear he can't be truly fixed, they can easily discard & forget about him.

Young Colin Robinson isn't dead dead either. His adult self is alive & well (and back) Laszlo is simply grieving the fatherhood/son that only exists in his memories.

Guillermo is dead dead. Either because vampirism only takes immediately after death or because the Baron would simply kill him again, turning him into a vampire isn't an option. (And I like to think they learned their lesson with the necromancer/zombie!Topher)

Guillermo is dead dead & everyone reacts accordingly: the Baron chills out immediately, even feeling a little bad (not for Guillermo's death, he was only a familiar after all) for causing a fellow vampire/one of the vampires he's arguably closer to pain

Nadja (who was fighting & scheming & panicked to save him) declares he should be buried before he starts to stink. She might care about Guillermo & consider him family (even if she'd never say those actual words) but the body on the floor isn't Guillermo anymore, it's just a corpse that needs disposing.

Meanwhile, Nandor has accepted Guillermo's death; he's not planning on how to revive him/bring him back.

Guillermo is dead dead.

But Nandor is still protective of what he should only consider to be a corpse now. That's still Guillermo to him.

He cradles him up off the floor. He gently brushes his hair back. He's distraught at the thought of Laszlo cutting him up, even in death.

Anyways, there's zero chance of Nandor trying to kill Guillermo in earnest. That man could not handle the emotional toll

[cottoncandysprite]

The way Nandor and Guillermo’s arcs and conflicting views on immortality intertwine perfectly and can't wrap up satisfyingly without them admitting how much they want to stay together will always drive me insane actually. Like. Nandor can't stand being immortal but wants to guide Guillermo in becoming immortal anyway because he cares about him. Guillermo wants to be immortal because he wants to be with Nandor and the others forever but hasn't realized thats the reason even if he knows he loves them. Nandor believes immortality will only be worthwile if he has someone to spend it with and Guillermo wants to be exactly that but NEITHER OF THEM HAVE PUT THAT TOGETHER YET. GOD I WANNA SHAKE THEM LIKE BUGS IN A JAR.