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Hi, I know this is random but with the live album dropping even tho I know maybe you don't keep up with their music as much or so I remembered but I was kinda looking forward to your posts cause as someone who has taken a step back but wasn't able to completely detach myself from the fandom cause I like the vibe and the fanfiction /art plus my beliefs didn't change it was just hard and is hard to see others in the fandom often almost overhype him, not to say he is bad but it's like he breathes and it's magical and I understand I've been there but now I can appreciate good work he does but I don't have to lie to myself if a performance is not great or feel guilty for thinking that. It was to the point of not knowing if my fave is actually great like look perfect, sounds perfect all the time or I'm just automatically saying that cause I and some of the fandom in a way programed ourselves into that not just us but other fandoms and their dynamic. I guess what I wanted to say is I love how you're one of the few on here where we and you can discuss things without fear but also be respectful and I appreciate that.

Hi, anon 💚

You're so welcome! I've hardly had a minute to myself this week so i haven't had the time to listen to the album yet! I very much intend to do it. I haven't been to a show and i usually prefer studio versions of songs, so i wonder how i'll feel about it.

And yes, we are allowed to not like everything about our favourite celebrity or artist, and express said dislike. It doesn’t mean we love them any less. We just disagree with some of the choices they make, some of their behaviour and sometimes we just don't like the t-shirt they are wearing because we have different taste. We are allowed to. That doesn’t mean we are right, that doesn’t mean it's the majority opinion, it just means that we, with our own reasons, are not liking this particular thing. No more, no less.

If the celebrity does something that is outside of what we deem acceptable, respectful and wanted, we are allowed to (and should) call them out on it. Celebrities aren’t perfect, but they need to be held accountable for their actions and understand that what they're doing is wrong. It will not be tolerated, brushed under the rug, and it may damage their career. Harry not wearing a face mask during the hight of covid and by that showing lack of solidarity, and Louis cancelling the Asia leg of his tour without showing proper remorse and respect for the fans who lost money and the ability to get to see him are examples of things that are not okay.

I think it's an important skill to learn and develop to be able to critizise without being hateful, and to dare to critizise when it's needed and to give praise and accolades when it's due. It's hard to be in a fandom with people who see everything through rose coloured glasses and blindly idolise their favourite. Especially in this fandom, with all it's history, lore and the incredible complicated and possibly unprecedented situation we're in, the gaslighting, closeting and lies.

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Hi Marte. I saw a tiktok vid about Kit being forced to CO. It was essentially saying that speculating about someone's sexuality is bad because it's their private business. It mentioned Shawn identifying as straight and yet people label him as gay/bi. Which could easily apply to Louis too. I see this opinion mostly with young people, that if someone states they're straight then we should believe them and not question it. But these people are treating celebrities like regular people when they are closeted for different reasons. Celebrities are usually closeted because of money but the average person is usually closeted because of fear. Kit's situation was unusual but the vast majority of celebrities who have CO have said themselves that they were manipulated into hiding their sexuality. They were made to feel bad about it. Billie said multiple times that she was straight and yet when she CO she said people mistook her queercoding for queerbaiting. She was trying to communicate to her own community that she was one of them and they weren't getting it. Other celebrities have talked about this too, Dove was one. That people didn't pick up on her queercoding. Just because someone is pressured by their team into hiding their sexuality from the straight gp it doesn't mean that they're trying to hide it from their own community, hence why queercoding exists in the first place. To let people know you're one of them. These people who preach about how sexuality speculation is bad don't seem to understand the concept of queercoding. A celebrity, who has their sexuality speculated about often, wouldn't queercode and engage in queer culture if they didn't want to communicate with their community. Don't young people understand or pick up on queercoding anymore?

Hi, anon!

I think you're right that people don't understanding why people in the industry is closeted. Some apply the same reason they themselves are (or were closeted) to the celebrity. Some people still think it's bad or something less to be queer and think that people speculating is to hurt their favourite. Some people are protecting the celebrity's closet for them because they want their fave to succeed and they don't think they will unless they stay closeted.

Most closeted celebrities are only closeted to the public, because they believe it's neccessary to succeed, advance their careers and make money. Most celebrities wouldn't be closeted if that wasn't a barrier anymore. For a lot of celebrities it isn't a barrier anymore, like Billie. It's a strength and it can actually help you advance your career.

Celebrities know how to balance the queercoding they do and stay in the closet. Some are very closeted and others are in a glass closet. It depends on their situation and how they manage their closet. Trust the celebrity and the choice they've made. There is no need to ignore queercoding and not point it out. If celebrites are queercoding they need fellow queer people to pick up on it and they need that degree of self-expression within their closet. They need the validation and find acceptance in the queer community. Fandom shouldn't guard the closet door for them. Fandom can risk further closeting the celebrity and making the closet harder for them to deal with when their queercoding isn't picked up on and hushed down. If something is visible to you, or information is widely known, you're supposed to see and know about it. Believe me, they do know how to shut something down if they really want to. They've got PR teams for that very reason.

Like i've said before, there is a difference between outing someone and a celebrity feeling pressured to come out. With Kit it was the latter. He was cast on a show with an out queer cast (at least the roles playing queer). The queer community were ecstatic to finally get a queer cast playing queer people and representing most of the lgbtqai+ spectrum. Kit was the only one, or the most noticible one at least in a lead role, to not state his sexuality while playing queer. That breeds speculation. He wasn't giving the queer community representation. He is straight passing. He was seen holding hands with a woman right when the show came out, making everyone think they'd cast a straight man (or at least a straight passing man, who is in a het relationship) in a queer role. That will create reactions within the queer community. So he was put under an enormous amount of pressure to make a statement. If he didn’t want to come out i think he could have handled this differently. But he was very young, is still very young. So it's very understandable how he reacted.

It isn't and it will never be wrong to speculate if a celebrity is queer. Because being queer isn't bad and straight isn't the default.

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https://www.tumblr.com/alarrytale/748886131437879296/hido-you-think-ls-team-manager-reps-stylists?source=share about this I remember Oli said to film the flags not the blue and green lights.

Hi, anon!

Oh, yeah that is probably right. Either way, they know what they needed to capture. They knew it was coming and they know what it means to us and to Louis.

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Louis' tattoo for his ex beard bothers me, but it's small. The H tattoo for that crazy woman is huge, and in a place that isn't even visible. It doesn't make sense for him to write the name of a demon like OW on his skin, without having any benefit. It's been 1 year since he's been with TR, she will be the muse for his album. So apparently getting this tattoo didn't bring him any great benefit

Hi, anon!

I don't think any benefit (or lesser evil) Harry got out of it would be immediatly visible to the fandom. We don’t know what the stunt contract said, how long the stunt was supposed to go on for, how far they were going to go to sell it and how much of the stunt obligations H fulfilled. I think the stunt would probably be a lot worse if he didn’t get the tattoo. Maybe it was a part of the deal from O's side, since H was doing MP and was strutting around stage in glittery costumes, that he needed to show commitment and that his heart was tied to her, in order to be allowed to do MP and strut around stage.

I think H would do almost anything to be allowed to do MP and be gay on stage. That's why we got the disaster that was dwd and the drama surrounding it. Even though dwd was a mess, i don't think H regrets it because he got to act out who he really is and the situation he is in (being a closeted gay man who struggles with pretending to be straight).

It's a tattoo. It can be covered or removed. It's not in a very visible place. He made sure it was visible when it needed to be. He can have other associations and thoughts about it than fandom do, while knowing fully well what the fandom thinks about it. He chose this path, for whatever reason. I think H thinks it's worth it.

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There are articles about Louis' live album, even in music publications and tabloids. So that makes it weirder that he did the Larry denial that went international. Because his live album proves that he can get articles about his music without mentioning Larry.

Hi, anon!

To me it made more sense now that's he's got an album out that he did the denial. I think it just was an attempt to gain attention, remind people that he exists in preperation for the album launch. People who almost forgot he existed talked about him and when they now see he's got an album out (because of the album articles), they'll now know he's the dude from 1D who's given up on his fandom's gay speculation and is a father. That might make him more interesting to the gp, interesting enough that they'll check out his album now that they know it's out.

Who knows really, if that is going to work, and if pissing off larries, his largest fan group, is worth it.

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hi,do you think L’s team (manager, reps, stylists, band, etc.) sees or notices him coding and know what it means (ex. Blue/green lights, I love HIM, I hate it, pointing and nodding at Larry signs, etc.)?

just curious what other folks think. I think they notice and know what it means.

Hi, anon!

Yes, i do think most of them notice and know what it means. Didn’t Krysle film a video one time, or try to livestream or something, and Oli was heard telling her to make sure she filmed the blue and green lights? I also don't think anyone can help but notice the massive rainbow flag waving crowd or the incredible rainbow light show that happened in Paris. They've all heard the larry rumours, and all have signed NDAs. I'm not sure he's told everyone explicitly that he's gay and with Harry, or if they've just seen H backstage with L and they've cloncluded themselves based on that. Either way, they all see and they all know.

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Louis is always at a well-known tourist trap and I don't understand why. It's almost giving party boy like he was right before baby gate when he wanted to be seen out and about. There are tons of private bars in LA so it makes no sense that he chooses that one every single time. Then him asking fans for pictures? It's just all very weird.

Hi, anon!

I don't think it's surprising that he frequents this place right now. He's got an album out, he needs to be out and about to be seen, recognised and pictured. Fans knows he goes there and he knows if he goes there he might run into some fans who wants a picture. He won't spend money on paps if his pics aren't going to make the papers. Organic fan interactions are a good way to do promo, and a way to engage his fandom in his situation. I don't think he's ever been there without us getting a fan taken pic of him there.

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I'm more of a solo Louie than Larrie because I dont have much interest in Harry but I follow some Larries because they align more in my beliefs that Louis isn't a father, and that Larry are probably together. Solo Louies are starting to annoy me because they're turning into cupcakes. I've been good friends with some for many years and it's hard for me to end friendships but I also don't want to pretend that I agree with them yet they get frustrated when I don't. Some of my closeted solo Louie friends decided recently that they're going to treat Louis as a straight man and father even though they don't believe he is. They were discussing this last year but it was his last Larry denial and bringing up Freddie which pushed them in that direction. They don't think he is straight but they talk about him as if he is, and they talk about Freddie as if he's his child even though they don't think he is. They think they're respecting Louis' wishes and that he truly wants to be closeted. I wondered what your opinion is on it, on people who think they're helping? I kind of feel sorry for them but at the same time I don't want to give in to the gaslighting.

Hi, anon!

I think you can be friends with people who don't have the same opinions as you, but if they don't respect that you have a different opinion and you don’t have anything in common with them anymore, then i think you'll have a better fandom experience if you find someone who's views align more with your own.

I think it's sad that people see that he isn't straight and a father, but gives in to the gaslighting because it's easier on them and because they think it aligns with Louis' current wishes. I would hope they made more of an effort to read his body language in stead of reading his lips. The gaslighting is strong and i don't blame anyone for falling for it. I just wish people would resist it, i wish people were more confident in their beliefs so they don't need constant validation and regular signs that larry is real, louis isn't straight and a father. I also wish more people would think for themselves, and not be sheep and listening to others. If the only reason you believe that he's a father and straight is because your friends do, even though it doesn’t make sense to you, it's probably more important to maintain the friendship rather than seeing the truth.

You're not respecting him more if you believe the fake narrative. He'll love you just as much, but he'll pity you for falling for his lies. I think he appreciates people who see through his lies and see the truth. He doesn’t want to lie, he wants people to see him for who he is. He needs people to understand him. He isn't a bad father, he simply isn't one. You can’t erase everything you've seen, and you've seen too much telling you he isn't a father and he isn't straight. Stick to you gut and don't let others tell you what to believe, if their arguments doesn’t make sense to you.

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Good to know you are well!

Haha yeah, I guess nick is very friendly, but usually just not used to friends hanging around here that way which I think is a cultural difference ( I am from a so called 3rd world country after all).

Also, before I would have vehemently disagreed with anyone who called relationship a "PR Stunt", but now? I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if it is. So sad that they have to do stuff like this.

Hi, anon!

I think Nick is more friendly with women than most men are. Women feel safe around him. He said in an interview that he feels more at ease around women, than men. So take from that what you will.

PR stunts are so common, almost everyone is doing it. Celebrities need that attention on themselves and create an interesting narrative around themselves to garner interest among the publing and engage fans. It's so overdone and it's so sad that it's happening. I wish the practice wasn't normalised like it is in the industry now. With Nick it wasn't needed. He did more than fine without it.

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That man from 911 who's character has recently came out as bisexual. He's been trending on twitter and on here since. It's brought a lot of attention to the actor, the character and the tv series. It's really given the tv series a boost. I think he's bi in real life too and married to a woman. That proves that lgbtq+ representation is high in demand. He's gained a lot of new fans. More fans than the bigots complaining about it.

Hi, anon!

Yes, queer people want queer representation! It's so important to give queer people the opportunity to play queer people on screen, and show queer storylines on mainstream tv shows. It has gotten a lot of attention and people are now tuning in to the show who previously weren't. I'm so happy for him for coming out. It means so much to so many people. It seems like such a success story.

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Hey! Hope you are doing well!

I just saw a couple of pics and videos with Nick Galitzine and his gf, I assume. And it is absolutely not the person people have been saying it is. However, I can't fault them. We have all been tricked and bamboozled 😆😆

In the hand pictures there is a jacket very visible placed on a chair and a story by the rumoured gf wearing it(or a similar one) a couple days later saying she finally got it back. Similar stuff with a bag or something...

Now it is possible the new pics are not of his gf and just some friend, or I am stupid, and it was indeed a different jacket/bag. Or I am reading too much into stuff. But I used to be naive and would always judge people who said a lot of stuff that looks spontaneous is PR and planned, or talked about celeb relationships without concrete proof. I know now, celebs let us see exactly what they want us to see. I am so effing stupid. So done with celebrity culture. Honestly maybe I have to also bear the responsibility for being interested in stuff like this instead of just their work, and risk forming parasocial relationships 🫠

I still enjoy his work and would continue to support him. Genuinely hope this is all in my mentally questionable head 😅

Hi, anon!

I'm doing well, thank you, it's a very busy time for me so i'm behind on asks! Hope you're well too!

I haven't been able to keep up with Nick as much, he's doing so much at once! I saw a few pics of him outside Jimmy Kimmel with a woman and his hands around her shoulders, is that her you're referring to? I don't think that's his "gf". Nick has always been super tactile with women, so it's hard to tell though. I think his "gf" is a PR stunt so to me it doesn’t really matter who it ends up being 😅

And you're very right, celebrities don't show us what they don't want to show us, and what they do show us is meant to be seen.

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From your tags - h's got an o tattoo for the same reason / to legitimise the relationship / it serves to closet him too

I understand that we will probably never know the exact reason why he got the O tattoo, for me the theory that he got that tattoo rather than/as an alternative to (fake) engage with her sounds legit because I believe that woman really pushed his boundaries (and ours as well) and while tattoo can be easily removed/cover, the fact he got engaged with her will last with him forever. And I just know she wanted him to really fall for her, she wanted to be that one who made the semi-God-and-the-sexiest-man-on-Earth-the-Harry-StylesTM settle with her because she is just an desperate attention seeker.

But then I don´t understand why he moved so quickly into another stunt, he could be stuntfree for at least a year and when gp will speculate if it isn´t suspicious that he´s single for that long, he could show that tattoo to show how his wannabe ex was important for him and keep being stuntfree for more months. Because otherwise I don´t understand what was the purpose of showing that tattoo when he already moved on with another woman. I would understand it if he showed it and in another week showed how he removed/covered it because he moved on. But if we think about h*ssell being real, image your bf has a tattoo of his ex literally near his d*ck and refuse to cover it....

I thought larries agreed the tattoo said Olivis or was a pet’s name

Hi, anons!

Last ask first: Larries aren’t one entity where everyone believes in the same things. The only thing larries have in common is that we believe that H and L are together. Also, the first pics we got of the tattoo were blurry and the words was barely legible. People saw different words. It wasn't until we got HQ pics we saw it said O's name. Some believe it's for a cat or something else (because they don't believe H would get a tattoo for O) and some believe it's for O or stunt related. I'm in the latter group.

We don't know why H got the tattoo and what it's really for. But what we do know is that he got it when he was stunting with O and revealed it shortly after it ended. We don’t know if it was a trade off, he gets a tattoo and he doesn’t have to be engaged to her or be seen with her kids again. It might be in his stunt contract to legitimise the relationship because it was so unbelievably fake. It does serve to legitimise the relationship and it makes him look straight.

I don't think H can go a year without having a beard while he's being so sexually ambigious and flamboyant on stage, and not have the gp question his sexuality. The tattoo isn't enough. It's all in the balance. It's give and take. I hope he gets to be a part of the ones deciding what he can and can't do. I hope the tattoo was his choice and i hope what he got out of it was worth it.

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Hi Marte. I want to ask about Harry's image and how much of it is really him. Up until his last tour ended and he started dressing much more 'straight' I had always thought that his stage persona was the real him, being very flamboyant and out there. But now I'm starting to think his stage persona is more of an act as he turns it off as soon as he leaves the stage. I saw you say that because he is straight passing he has to exaggerate his queerness for people to pick up on it, so perhaps that is what he's been doing all along. I wonder if him dressing 'straight' now is the real him. That he dresses plain in his personal life and loves sports and masculine activities. But he had to dial it all back because people wouldn't question his sexuality otherwise. I also got sucked in by the fans who said he is trans in his personal life and identifies more closely as a woman. When he's not on stage he's so masculine though. I remember reading something you said about how he greatly exaggerates everything on stage because he's straight passing.

Hi, anon!

I've talked a bit about this before. I think H isn't naturally flamboyant, not to the degree Louis is anyway. He isn't going around flicking his hair or saying "Slay bestie" when he's on a golf course. But it's hard to tell what's the real H and what's not. We really haven't seen him being himself in so long. I think the answer is somewhere in between. He's not as "straight" as he's giving off after tour, but he's far from as flamboyant as he's being on tour. He's got both masculine and feminine traits. I do think he is greatly exaggerating his stage persona, because it's freeing to him and he gets to show he's gay.

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To me spending so much time on hating on things is such a waste of time. //

Solo stans go after us because they think we're hateful towards the 'girlfriends' by saying they're fake and generally laughing at them. We Larries were vicious to Olivia Wilde, for instance. We can't just sit here pretending to be benign little cupcakes after that.

Hi, anon!

Chosing to enter into a fake relationship for PR, or to closet someone who is unwillingly closeted is very morally ambigious at best. There are many people who object to that way of promoting yourself and taking advantage of another person in a vulnerable position. Some people will take things too far when they call out this behaviour. O deserves critisism on several fronts. She's shown deplorable behaviour. She should not get away with it.

Also, even though there are some people who take things too far, they are in the minority. You will find people like this among all groups of people. You can’t judge all larries on the actions of a few. I can't take responsibility for others behaviour. I also don't want to police people, i assume people know there is a line they shouldn't cross when calling out bad behaviour. Some people are young and don't know when to stop, and some people don't know they're crossing a line.

Lastly, it's not about being innocent or guilty. It's about people being brave enough to call out bad behaviour and when your fave, or another celebrity, does something that's just not right. We shouldn't just sit there and watch. Celebrities are our role models. They fuck up too, they're not perfect. But bad behaviour needs to be called out. We shouldn't let lying, expoitation of the vulnerable and power abuse slide.

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Why doesn’t Louis cover up the E tattoo

Louis hasn’t covered up the E either

Hello, anti!

I heard you the first time, no need to send it twice.

Why do you think he hasn't covered up the E tattoo? Even if you're an anti or a larrie he isn't with her anymore, haven't been for years. I believe he hasn't covered it up or removed it, because he is still closeted and a part from bg, elou*or was the most effective tool to closet him. If someone gets a tattoo for their partner it must be real, because that's a big committment, right? So the tattoo still serves to help closet him even if they're not together anymore.

Also, like i've said before, if a tattoo can help closet him, he doesn't have to do other things to closet him, like get another beard or stunt more with F. He can signal a bit more, sing about larry and sing i love him, i hate it. It's all a balance. Getting an E tattoo vs not having to get a beard for a year or two? I know what i would have chosen.

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I saw the Kylie and Timmy pregnancy rumor, which is probably fake but I couldn't care less either way, and I saw a Timmy fan calling it out as fake news and it got a lot of attention and people were hating and mocking it. People were comparing it to Larries of course and calling them delusional and mentally ill and all kinds of names. It wasn't fans doing it, it was film twitter mostly. Like what???? Not long ago they were all mocking K and T for being PR and now they're suddenly saying it's real because a Timmy fan said it was fake. I don't understand people. They seem uncapable of forming their own opinion, they will echo others and they'll all be saying one thing and then a second later they all switch up. It's just pack mentality and I wonder how they function in their real life. The irony too of them calling people mentally ill while complaining about their own mental health problems. Also why do people have to bring Larries into everything when Larries stay in their lane? They call for 'Larries mass extinction' yet they can't stop talking about them and bringing them up every chance they get. Why would you waste so much energy on something you claim to dislike? They were all eating up the pregnancy rumors despite it saying it was just a rumor and female celebrities get pregnancy rumors every few weeks. They weren't even fans of K or T, they just wanted to see T fans upset. Why so hateful?

Hi, anon!

I don't know why people are antis and make blogs just to hate on something or spend their days writing hate tweets. I think they must be insecure and that they've been through some stuff. They must be miserable and hurting. Hurt people, hurt people. To me spending so much time on hating on things is such a waste of time.

Us larries are an easy target, we've always been. We're underdogs. It's always been like that and will be until we're proven right. It's just the way things are. I would just ignore people who hate on us it if you can. If they're not even in fandom they have no idea what they're talking about anyway.

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Hi 👋 I can’t find it but I think there was a receipt around 2018-2020 that HL like motorcycling in UK together? They prefer it cause they wear full gear so nobody can recognise them. Does it ging a bell for you?

Hi, anon!

I'm sorry, i've never heard about this at all. I would definitly have remembered if i did.