#holivia for ts

[alarrytale]

Marte I don’t understand. If you and other larries know this is fake and louis is closeted; why are you angry or disappointed? He has to do this. This is what a pr stunt is made of. How will they sell this pr relationship if they don’t do this?

The same happened with harry and olivia. Especially when they had to promote the movie. ☹️

Hi, anon!

Being closeted doesn’t mean you have to enter into a PR relationship. A regular bearding relationship will do just fine. It's even more effective than a PR relationship, because it's far more believable and less public.

We're angry and frustrated because they could have picked anyone else but her. It's offensive to so many of his fans. The point of a PR relationship is to pick two people who can boost each other's profiles and sell their respective products. It's working somewhat for her, but Louis has nothing he's selling at the moment and he's losing interest, respect, integrity, reputation and last but not least fans over this. The publicity has a price it seems for him, and there is nothing that can explain why he chose to do things this way. It makes no sense at all. Pretending to be straight, with a racist, to end up losing fans?

And it's not like holivia at all. They both very clearly had a movie to promote and sell. There was a clear purpose and reason for the union. Both had something to gain. Mcdomlinson is neither of those things.

[watermelonlicker]

What is the most annoying stunt to you and the least?

idk what you mean by least annoying cos all stunts are annoying, terrible, and unnecessary but i guess the one i know the least about is hussell. i liked tr from film twt and it saddened me that her team felt she needed to stunt to further her career. i honestly don’t think it did much for her career either after the bones and all hype which is unfortunate cos idek what she’s doing anymore and she was like the it girl for a min there.

for most annoying it’s gotta be a tie between holivia and haylor. holivia for the damage it did to harry’s image and the stress he was going thru during it like soooo many of those pics make me sick so thank fucking GOD he had hslot bcos idk if he would’ve been able to fix that damage. as for haylor it literally follows him everywhere and was only like two months and im tired of it being brought up all the time but obvs cos him and ts have the same level of fame it will always be talked about which is extremely annoying.

now the most INSIDIOUS stunt goes to haroline. everything about it will always be disgusting and harry should’ve never been in that situation period.

for louis, mctrashlinson is getting up there for how it’s making the fandom act towards him but until it’s over eloushit reigns supreme from the first era. the second i heard she just walked a dog or something lmaoooo.

[twopoppies]

wonder if younger/newer fans are all more aggressive, rude and braindead actually bc since when taylor r is this goddess, sexy, powerful, girl boss, desired and full booked artist like so many of them are impling? unproblematic yes but saying that harry lost the greatest girl around, that they're unstanning him, that she's oscar worthy and he "didn't like to share the spotlight" ?. i mean gf stans have been angrier - maybe because of the holivia fiasco - but the things some of his allegedly fans are saying.. TS-left-alone-in-a-boat level

I really feel like the average IQ level of this fandom dropped about 40 points in the last few years.

[womanexile]

I'll never forget how hated haylor used to be. it was still pretty bad in 2020 but I think after the 2021 Grammys and the whole holivia thing, harries have warmed up to the idea of them even more. If a non fan were to choose which ex they'd want taylor or harry to get back with, it would be with each other.

Yes everyone lost their minds seeing them interact at the 2021 Grammys. Nobody had seen that for 6 years. And harries see TS is way better than OW. And they have so many mutual fans now.

[zot3-flopped]

pr hags and larries who claim harry calls the paps, is engaging in pr stunts, and is a walking billboard are stupid and wrong. look at all the recent photos of taylor swift, dressed to the nines, getting papped. that recent photo of flo, dressed up. when celebs WANT to be seen, they're dressed for it. and what did we get from harry when holivia were a couple? hoodies, caps, sunglasses, them looking to blend into the local crowds as much as possible. same with harry and taylor r. but idiotic larries/hags have zero critical thinking skills and think all celebs behave the same.

Yes, the recent pics of TS are super high definition with her smiling directly at the camera in many instances. Pap pics of Harry and Taylor are blurry and a bit distorted because they're long distance.

[persimmonlions]

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[skepticalarrie]

Hi! I’m a super new Larry and have just finished going through all your tags so I wanted to first say thank you for the information and answering everyone’s ask. My question for you if you wouldn’t mind is what’s your least favorite/the least believable Harry stunt and why? Obviously as a Larry you don’t believe any of them but which was least convincing? I think I can guess what your least favorite Louis stunt is so no need to go there hahah. Thanks!

Aww cheers, anon! I'm happy my blog helped you, and welcome to the fandom ☺️ And you're probably right about Louis' stunt I hate the most kajsksajka not that hard to figure out.

I'm going to have to go with Holivia. I think both Holivia and Haylor scream PR, and even removing Harry's sexuality or Larry out of the picture, it's quite easy to notice how both of these were massive business deals 💰💰 benefiting both sides instead of a real relationship. But yeah, Holivia was able to overcome Haylor in the most annoying stunt ever, not that TS is great, but Olivia is just the pinnacle of narcissism and everything that is wrong with the industry. IMO Harry being affiliated with her to any extent was the worst thing he's ever done with his career so far, I think it was awful.

[hshouse]

I know half of u tune out when I say her name but this is about harry/stunts so stick around. the amount of pap walks they are doing for holivia is so fucking weird and abnormal for a real celeb couple. harry is literally A+++ he does not need this at all. he is not trying to make it. the best comparison in fame level is ts. ts/joe alwyn have like maybe 10 pap walks in the ~7 years they have been together. thats the normal. like think about everything you know about harry. dont you think he would protect his relationship with fucking bazucas? I have said this before, like it is such a disconnect to have mr privacy along with mr weekly pap walk.

[larrytimelines]

On this episode of Holivia: band Ts and cheaters

Another nothing article and Daily Mail exclusive:

They basically just describe their outfits and the pictures, saying Olivia was in gym clothes, while Harry was dressed in regular clothes, and that Harry got to the car first and reached in for a pair of shoes.

They also say that Holivia appear to have a routine and be “completely at ease”:

Then they copy-pasted the same info from yesterday’s article, and really go in on the narrative that Olivia cheated on Jason with Harry and that Harry was the primary reason for their breakup. 

They say again that Jason and Olivia broke up in November 2020, but that Olivia and Harry started dating in October 2020:

Then they copy-pasted the same info about Jason being upset about Harry and Olivia’s relationship, and that he was heartbroken to have been cheated on and broken up with. That he’s upset and was still angry in June.

They also talk about him spending time with his kids and that he loved Olivia, and completely adored her and that he’s always been committed to his family:

These Daily Mail articles use Holivia on the title as clickbait and then deliver an article where they quite clearly want the public to see that Harry and Olivia’s relationship is what split up not only Jolivia, but also a family. While on the same article they want people to root for Holivia because they are *so in love*. 

The only thing this type of narrative accomplishes is creating more media drama at the cost of Harry’s (and Olivia’s, but fuck her) image and reputation.

Pictures are from August 9 2021. For pictures from this pap walk click here.

[hazzabeeforlou]

I’m sorry you struggled so much with the baby gate tweet the other day and I just wanted to reach out and say everything you said it completely valid. Not that you need others to validate your feelings but I know it can be nice when others are ragging on you for it. I can’t tell you the number of amazing blogs I’ve seen leave the fandom over this gaslighting. I love having you in the fandom but if you need to step back or leave entirely for your mental health know there will be no hard feelings 💚💙

Thanks love. It may just be a me thing, with my history and stuff, that I’m SO bothered by it. By comparison, I have never been irked by holivia or even Eleanor or anything. I’m not a TS fan by any means but even SHE doesn’t bug me that much. But this?! Ticks every box of my triggers.

I’m not leaving don’t worry, my mental health would be MUCH worse without this fandom and all my lovely friends. And I love the boys too much, sigh. It’s just been a rough weekend for me, and now we have a house guest who told me my dog sleeping in my bed is “just because I don’t have a man” and like, of course she’s homophobic af and doesn’t know I’m gay but BEYOND that, I’m just depressed in general and nothing that’s happened this weekend is particularly helpful :/

[alarrytale]

Hello lovely. Closeting in the entertainment world is an open secret, if anon looks back over the decades even as far as Rock Hudson - everyone in the ‘industry’ knew he was gay, but it was hidden from the public because he was a product. Harry, actors and singers have carefully crafted images and are products.

Naya Rivera wrote about it in her book, which was mostly about Glee but had info about show business in general. I’m paraphrasing here but she said something like ‘whenever we’d go out we’d see the PR couples get papped going into the club then they’d leave through the back with the person they’re really dating’.

I’ve read from several sources that the vast majority of the PR couples we see in People magazine etc are fake. It’s not a coincidence that ‘single’ leads have relationships during filming then break up. It’s all PR, all of it, and everyone in the industry knows it.

Also ❤️❤️❤️ for you because you make me smile

Hi, lovely anon!

❤️❤️❤️'s right back at you! So happy to hear i make you smile.

Yes, there are more PR relationships than real relationships being fronted in tabloids and gossip magazines. They're everywhere. And everyone in the industry knows everyone's business. Larry isn't a secret at all. Closeting is incredibly common, and being queer is one of the main reasons celebrities are motivated into taking part in PR relationships.

But also, every celebrity that enters into PR relationships has a PR team vetting the possible candidates. So even if the celebrity don't know if X or Y is gay, their PR does. It's their job to know. So if OW didn’t know, her PR told her before she signed the stunting contract.

[mitskiacoustic]

ok this is gonna be a bit long I think sjdj

so initial premise: the Taylor I'm talking about is the one that was like at her peak of exposure which imo is the red/1989/rep era and I talk about it in the terms of how I saw it all as someone who was in the go at the time and for harry I'm also talking about the gp

so I think they have a LOT of similarities:

they became really famous around the same time which was also the peak of fandom and pop culture as it used to be in the past decade

let's be honest a lot of the exposure to the go they got was due to their high profile relationships and exes

both made sure to use those relationships for exposure/popularity/selling stuff as much as possible and their music is heavy on the details about their exes

both of them were very clearly "meant to he successful" from the start (meaning a lot of money was spent in making sure that happened)

both of them were wayyyy overhyped imo like yeah I listen to both their music but like imo the praise Taylor got back then/harry gets now is overproportionate to what they actually do and this imo impacts the way they are seen because the more you hype something the more its gonna be evident/disappointing when they don't deliver

re the last point: this is highlighted even more by the fact that their most popular songs are definitely not their best ones

both are white and pretty

in the same vein as the music hype, they also get a lot of praise for "political things" and again, in both cases it showed how much that was inflated when you look at what they actually are doing/saying and both often end up looking like the usual dumb white rich people

both have been heavily shipped in gay ships and have a BIG part of their fanbase thinking they aren't straight which generated an equal and opposite reaction in normal people (I think maybe in the gp there's more people who think Harry is actually not straight but still, the shipping stuff is heavily made fun of in the gp) I mean I remember during this June when Harry Taylor (and louis) were all in the top 10 artists that were mentioned in the #pride ashtag and the comments were all like 🤦🏻‍♀️ skdj

Taylor back then and harry now created a lot of overexposure (they were/are literally everywhere) and that gets pretty annoying pretty soon

both of them have very annoying and loud fanbases when u see it through the gp's eyes

OK I think that's it (something is probably gonna come to my mind later sjdj) but yeah like imo based on all this harry is getting closer and closer to being seen as the way she has been seen since like 2014.

although I have to say I think Taylor realized a lot of this stuff in the past years and fixed some things a lot like the music has gotten better, the relationship is not high profile and not splashed everywhere anymore and she's also not as overexposed anymore and imo it's really working well for her! but I don't see harry getting there any time soon dkkdk

OK I hope this made some sense??

YES this makes sense. the part about them both being meant for success, i can't talk much abt taylor bc i wasn't ever invested in her (but i think someone close to her was from the music industry itself ?? this info again is from a ts post, i know nothing abt her 🧍‍♀️) but harry yeah 100%. like, out of 1D he was very obviously singled out for success, but like, not much happened till fine line (which is weird bc imo hs1 was a much better album). fine line was when his fandom grew soo much, god. (and i don't understand why ppl chose wms of all songs to blow up. it isn't a 'bad' song but i literally can't listen to it bc of how overhyped it is.)

and the last para yeah.....for harry rn, there's no music out. fans understand he's acting now but even that's getting overshadowed with holivia being shoved into their faces every 3 days rip. (also gonna say, a lot of his fans r here only bc of the Harry Styles™ image. [here im speaking from personal experience bc some of the 'die hard harries' i've met irl haven't even heard any songs of his outside of the popular ones- wms, adore you, sott)] and like the moment focus shifts a good part of his fanbase that's here only for the Image & not the music will vanish 😐)

LIKE, the way he's being portrayed (no actual relation to fans- his main bond w fans was during tour, he has literally no social media presence & to add to that this mess with the tickets + him not wearing masks during a pandemic etc), it'll soon become only harry lovers or harry haters, no in between. and they're gonna attach smth to him like they attached 'feminism' to miss swift 🚶🏻‍♀️

[twopoppies]

Honestly this stunt is basically a copy of Holivia but they are trying to do it in a more lowkey way like they did with Hamille, because that way they can fool more people into believing in it.

I've seen a lot of people believing this thing with TR is not a stunt, because they aren't seen together a lot and, when they are, most pictures are blurry and not HD pap pics. And they also believe Hamille was real for the same reason, aparently. So, I guess his team strategy is working to some degree.

Regardless, I'm glad it is this lowkey, because it probably bothers Harry less than if he had to be with the stunt all the time and showing PDA. So, good for him and for us as well. Tho I really cannot see how this whole charade is benefiticial to TR, in the long run, because this stunt is lowkey to the point that only harries care about it and it barely makes noise with gp. One would think she got into this to try to boost her career, and for that, she probably should want to push this relationship on people's face all the time, to try to get her name out there. That just isn't happening.

99% sure she will end up just like the beards before her, with no real boost in their careers. The only people that "dated" Harry and are still wildly famous are TS and Kendall, and they were already A-listers when the stunts happened, ever single one of the other beards, that were less famous than Harry, just fell back into obscurity, and the same will happen to TR. The minute the break up article is out, harries will stop caring about her and she will go right back to square one. Because we know them well harries only care about these women while they are connected to Harry, the minute it stops, they drop all these girlies like hot potatos.

Yep.

Although, I do wonder if Harry had originally intended to be doing movies after his tour ended. The whole Olivia/DWD debacle seems to have really set him back in a major way with his acting career. So, I don’t know if she signed on thinking he was going to be shooting something and that would bring her more attention than just walking around and buying dog food.

[womanexile]

The whole holivia thing left me traumatized so I’m feeling more protective of H and I get a weird feeling about him and TR. Those strange walkings in london and those very strategic pics in the theater where the pap picked up the exact corner that H was, and the fact that most of the articles about them talks more about her and her career, it just rub me off the wrong way. I don’t want people using H the way OW did yk, she loved the attention their relationship received and it seems that TR is going in the same path. Some people have given up trying to succeed on their own merits without using others as a ladder.

I feel protective of HS too. Like a protective mom lol nobody is good enough for my boy except who I like 🤣 TS would never use him like this.

[hoochy-coo]

This is the closest thing we have of Olivia doing the I <3 TS shirt! Still don’t buy it though, especially don’t buy it if it’s that on the nose and every details are things known in the fandom.

Holivia wishes they could do something as iconic as that I <3 TS shirt moment

[fallingsunflower]

I mean, seriously, what is next? She gonna show up wearing a t shirt that says “I ❤️ my boyfriend Harry Styles!” How much more pathetic and embarrassing can she get? Make it stop.

we all remember how well the “i ♥️ ts” shirt went for tom hiddles ☺️

Do y'all remember when holivia merch dropped like 2 days after the wedding photos lol