antishifter-shifting

[antishifter-shifting]

sorry same anon from the last ask but im seeing all the asks people have sent and interactions youve had again and i think YOU deserve an apology from the shifting community instead of you apologizing to us because people are so rude?? what the fuck?? you havent said anything that bad. like why are you being attacked wtf. there is NO reason for people to be absolute jerks to you. youre not "hating" or whatever theyre saying you are. sorry i feel like im talking in circles but youre doing NOTHING wrong and its bothering me that people are acting like doubt is a crime. so as someone who does believe in shifting and considers themselves a part of the shifting community, i am sorry for how you're being treated. you dont deserve it at all. and they wonder why people dont believe, maybe its bc instead of trying to convince skeptics respectfully and kindly they just jump them and call them pathetic. what they're doing, sending ANON HATE instead of just blocking someone you dont like, is pathetic. anyway sorry im just disappointed in my fellow shifters. i hope you have a great day.

I mean, I don't blame them. I only really put anon on because I know I don't really send asks without them even though I've never bothered to send hate just cause the block button exists so it feels hypocritical to not allow it for others. But then that opens it up for hate too. Like I said in my og pinned post, I know most people wouldn't really dare send any asks if they know anon is off and it'll be traced back to them, plus with sideblogs and all that

And I kinda didn't come off as respectful at first either so like, I didn't really deserve respect back yet

[antishifter-shifting]

i actually think youre super cool and youre getting way too much hate for what you're doing. there's no way everyone who shifts now or believes in shifting just heard about it once and automatically went oh alright this sounds legit i believe in it 100%. i didnt believe in shifting until like a month or two ago, and even still sometimes im like wtf how can this be real 😭😭

i really respect you and what you're doing. there's nothing wrong with being skeptical. i mean, when i first heard about the idea of shifting i was genuinely like how could anyone believe this at all?? it made no sense to me. but ive heard a lot of stories and looked into it a lot myself and decided its worth trying at least. i mean even if it isnt real and even if i dont end up going to whatever reality i want, it was still a fun experience to script and come up with this person in my head that i could be and all that.

what made a difference to me was coming to tumblr instead of tiktok. i think a lot of shiftok is fake stories and people making shit up for the likes and views. but tumblr is very anti-shiftok and it helped me realize, oh, this feels more like a thing that's real and can happen rather than a fandom or something.

ive scripted a few realities and tried shifting, but so far i havent. im still very new to it so im honestly in a similar situation to you. theres a lot of moments where im like well it didnt work but why am i surprised bc why would it work it makes no sense!! but i try anyway because its fun to make playlists and pinterest boards and script my backstory and friendships and everything, and it doesnt hurt to try.

i guess thats my long-winded way of saying that you are a lot braver than i am for being open about your opinions, especially because the shifting community can be VERY defensive and will attack anyone who doesnt think it's real and also will guilt trip people for doubting because "if you arent 1000% certain then you wont shift!!" or whatever. so keep doing what youre doing, dont let people shit on you because youre super cool.

I just woke up and am about to pass out again but like, this is such a surprising ask 😭⁉️ I cleared the inbox both to give a fresh start after and just because almost all of it was petty calling insults and guesses and jabs about how I'm probably fat and unemployed just for this blog existing (I'll go on the record to say I'm not really here that often anyways, I'll just come on and answer a chunk of inbox then go back to normal routine)

But to be fair I do kinda guess my original approach came off too aggressively rude even though it genuinely was not my intention

[antishifter-shifting]

Wait holy fucking shit ok I'm going to put this here because I've learned that shifting doesn't always need to be like, a fictional universe, and sometimes it can be a universe really similar to this one and I really wanna tell this story now because I think it might mean that? I might've shifted before? Like real talk?

I had this "dream" before I really remembered again that shifting existed that was like. Genuinely real. Like.

I was in my room. MY room. And I had background memories and everything. I was younger, and I had just gotten up and knew I had to start getting ready for school, even though this was the BEGINNING beginning of the "dream" but I already seemed to have context for everything?

I was watching some kind of cartoon that I feel like I can kind of remember, but like not well. And I looked into my closet, which had those large sliding doors. In the closet was a bunch of boxes, one that had coloring books and a bag of crayons. Another was full of stuff that I had lost here

I was looking through that second box when my sister came in and asked why I wasn't getting ready. I made some offhand comment about how real this all seemed, and I distinctly remember her giving me this look. Like, the exact look you expect someone to give when you've just said something that doesn't make sense

I woke up right after that, though. Honest to fucking god, I am genuinely telling the truth to the fullest extent that I can remember

Was?? Was this a shift?? Or am I looking for confirmation in what was a dream because now I'm trying to actually get into and understand shifting, and that likely causes confirmation bias in looking back on pervious things

Can you even have confirmation bias on something like this? I'm being so so so fr with everyone right now, I always thought that shifting was just to fictional realities from games or movies or books, but I've seen posts that say you can go to versions of this reality where there's only a few things slightly changed

[antishifter-shifting]

Holy shit wait guys. Guys peak. I think I actually found a specific place to focus on for being a DR. Totally not influenced by the fact I'm playing one of its games rn wdym......

[antishifter-shifting]

I'm going to use this as a formal apology. This will become my new pinned post, but I'm not deleting any previous just to avoid running from it

I was wrong. I came in here likely with misguided incorrect thoughts, and I apologize. I was extremely cruel in my actions, and I recognize this. I will try my best to be better and learn from this.

Especially to those who have sent in asks, I apologize. You did not in any way deserve the replies I gave you. I was extremely hypocritical and that was entirely my fault.

I will try to recognize that this is not my place to force people to prove anything, and I'll try to think more solidly on both my asks and my replies.

I will be clearing my inbox to start fresh, but I will not delete old posts as it feels to me as though that is disingenuous and running away from the harm I admit I have caused.

I should've been better from the start. I apologize.

[antishifter-shifting]

Plus it just makes sense to try either way? Like, even if I were balls to the wall entirely adamant it wasn't real, why wouldn't I? Try and use that as extra reasoning?

let me just start by saying that i think it’s sick that you’re actually trying to shift rather than just saying it’s not real and assuming you’re right because you said so.

anyways, i feel like simply attempting to shift shows that you aren’t as much of an anti as you think you are. wanting to shift shows that you do have some belief in shifting, even if that belief is small.

that being said, there is no time limit to shifting so please don’t think that whether or not you were successful determines if shifting is real or fake. since shifting is a personal experience, no one is able to prove it to you but yourself.

i’m glad that you’re approaching this with an open mind and i hope that you’re successful in your journey. and pro tip, aside from the basics, you’re better off not consuming shifting media because it’s a struggle out here.

I feel like people think I'm purposefully being meaner than I'm trying to 😭 I'm bad at wordings, and yeah, my trying to seem logical was an ass move I will be honest and say I was wrong there (why I'm trying to type more normally idk if it's really showing)

But like, if this were possible, I actually think it's super cool and can think of a few places I'd wanna go already (2 of which probably controversial but) and even the concept is fun. Like even if it were just a bunch of people very dedicated to storytelling (I'm starting to doubt that already), it's still cool in concept, too

I'd rebrand nicer tbh just to try and show that I recognize how I was wrong to start how I did, but I feel like that would be running from the past and disingenuous tbh so I'm just trying to not be a robotic dickhead from now on

[antishifter-shifting]

let me just start by saying that i think it’s sick that you’re actually trying to shift rather than just saying it’s not real and assuming you’re right because you said so.

anyways, i feel like simply attempting to shift shows that you aren’t as much of an anti as you think you are. wanting to shift shows that you do have some belief in shifting, even if that belief is small.

that being said, there is no time limit to shifting so please don’t think that whether or not you were successful determines if shifting is real or fake. since shifting is a personal experience, no one is able to prove it to you but yourself.

i’m glad that you’re approaching this with an open mind and i hope that you’re successful in your journey. and pro tip, aside from the basics, you’re better off not consuming shifting media because it’s a struggle out here.

I feel like people think I'm purposefully being meaner than I'm trying to 😭 I'm bad at wordings, and yeah, my trying to seem logical was an ass move I will be honest and say I was wrong there (why I'm trying to type more normally idk if it's really showing)

But like, if this were possible, I actually think it's super cool and can think of a few places I'd wanna go already (2 of which probably controversial but) and even the concept is fun. Like even if it were just a bunch of people very dedicated to storytelling (I'm starting to doubt that already), it's still cool in concept, too

I'd rebrand nicer tbh just to try and show that I recognize how I was wrong to start how I did, but I feel like that would be running from the past and disingenuous tbh so I'm just trying to not be a robotic dickhead from now on

[antishifter-shifting]

on the question of how to make a dr, you're not really making anything! every reality already exists, you're just choosing one to go to if that makes sense

so just think of somewhere you wanna go. like you're planning a trip or something! you can write stuff down, you can get detailed with it, or just have it super simple, some things work better for others, subconsciously you kinda already. know all those small details you want your dr to have but writing some extra details may make things easier for you to visualize n stuff! or maybe it won't! again it's whatever works for you

i'm not the best at explaining things but if you genuinely wanna try i wanted to try to share some advice. hope this helps you out happy shifting 🥳🥳🥳

Does it have to be mental visualizing? While I can technically visualize in my mind to some extent, it's extremely difficult, and even with great effort, I can only vaguely pull up ghosts in terms of actually thinking of a visual. I think the scale is 0-5? 0 being total aphantasia, 5 being hyperphantasia? I would land on a 1 for that scale

[antishifter-shifting]

it's sort of difficult to directly prove shifting to you as it's a very personal journey - I can't shift you, only myself and then tell others about it. nevertheless, as someone who shifts through lucid dreaming, I can tell you what it's like for me.

I practised doing reality checks every 30-60 mins for about a week before I began to experience lucid dreams for the first time and it happened quite rarely at first, but became more frequent over time. lucid dreaming is backed by science, you've already said you know this thiugh

when I look at my hand in a lucid dream, the fingers are blurry, blend together, I can't exactly count how many there are, etc. my hand looks poorly AI generated basically lmao. many people like to open "portals" in their lucid dreams to shift to their DR but personally I just lay down in the dream and visualise where I want to go, then my eyes open by themselves when I'm there (again, everyone has their own favourite methods)

there's no way to describe how another reality feels except for saying that it feels just as real as this one feels. for example, my hand looks normal - no blurring, 5 fingers, just the same as my hand does here. it's not a dream. as for shifting itself, it doesn't actually "feel" like anything, I only recognise the sudden change in surroundings. it's a split-second occurrence; one moment I'm in the dream, another I'm not.

expanding on that, to address your concerns about symptoms, shifting itself actually doesn't have any symptoms. what people are talking about are indeed just symptoms of the body falling asleep, things like loss of sensation or weird hallucinations because their body is asleep while the mind is awake, which is quite an unnatural feeling for most if they're not used to it. the reason it's often mistaken for shifting symptoms is that it's a lot easier to "detach" mentally from this reality when you can't physically feel it, and this combined with the intention to shift makes people, well, shift.

sorry this turned out so long, I'm really bad at keeping explanations concise :/

No, this does actually make a lot of sense, plus I of all people could never jump on someone for not being concise when I'm also the exact opposite. I can't really think of how to properly respond, but know that I have taken an interest in this, and I'll try to keep it in mind. Hopefully that isn't frustratingly vague or anything

[antishifter-shifting]

Goddamnit, this is pathetic. Making an entire blog just to hate on people? Don’t you have a life? At least most of us with too much free time dedicate it to meaningful things, such as reading poetry and listening to music. You’re just MISERABLE.

PS: You’re the type of person who doesn’t know the difference between a simile and a metaphor. You’re the type of person who can’t understand simple imagery.

Yeah? You done? Did you get it out of your system? Good job, by your view, you're stooping to my level by bringing nothing but petty insults. If I gave some playlists, would that help? Talk about my hobbies or things I like? If that's what you wanted, I would be more than willing to provide. There's no need to presume this account has actually taken that much of my time when it comes to a day

[antishifter-shifting]

it is absolutely hilarious to see how angry people get behind you making this account. the same people with tons of followers which praise shifting + manifestation techniques like the void state or subliminal audio, yet receive and answer asks from desperate people who have been in this community for years having expectations. the same people who have been shitting on u are constantly watching ur profile ijbol keep doing what ur doing. theyve been avoiding/havent been able to disprove creature-wizard's points whos been here for ages so i wouldnt expect anyone to have a meaningful debate with u.

Yeah, pretty much. It's whatever, funny how people can yell at me for calling the community defensive while simultaneously being defensive. It's at least interesting to see what way they go about doing so, but oh well. The stories as well are also interesting, but I've only really gotten one

[antishifter-shifting]

I do not know if this counts, but considering it happened the first night after I made this account, I'm planning on sharing it just because it makes sense to share what's going on connected to this account.

I do believe this one was a dream(?) but the timing feels really interesting. By all accounts, I might be already just. Wildly wrong, and it's almost adding to my agreement with things here. This isn't the storytime I mentioned in the last post, though.

I was in a movie theater with a few other people. I hadn't picked a movie, so that's partially why I was surprised I was there in the first place. I was planning on going out just to see which movie this was, but I was approached by someone? I don't know who, I couldn't say. They just kind of looked at me

I can only really say I was "unmade"

I don't know how seriously anyone will take this, just from people's reactions to this. But that's genuinely the best way I can think of to describe what happened.

It was like? I don't know. It felt like an implosion and an explosion at the same time? If I were to try and place it in shifter terms here, I think the theater could be considered a waiting room? I don't know about the other part, though. I kind of just felt that and was floating, but I woke up as it happened, I was only really "unmade" for. God, I don't know, maybe 3 minutes?

Like I said, I might be wrong, and it could've been just a dream, but? The timing feels more than just coincidence, and I had done the whole "say you're already there before sleeping and don't put much effort into it" prior as well.

[antishifter-shifting]

I don't know why people are so upset by this account? Idk if u have been rude or something but from lightly stalking ur posts u seem fine?? Like ur just a shifting skeptic and i think skeptics are necessary for all groups. I think it's so cool you're willing to try and put yourself out there to challenge your own beliefs. Some people are bordering dangerously into cult territory with how defensive they get about this stuff. And the person who was upset that you're a guy?? Guys c'mon please... be sensible.

Anyway if u want a story to convince you, I have an anecdotal story i could share. I had a friend in highschool who I became friends with unnaturally fast. She knew things about me that logically shouldn't have been possible, and I know she didn't stalk me or anything because I didn't have any social media at this point. She occasionally would refer to me as a "character", for example, once at lunch we were talking about tv shows and she said "everyone wishes you were the main character, you deserved more screen time." which I thought was odd. A few months later, she confessed she was a shifter and that this world was fictional to her before she shifted here. She told me she was shifting back at the end of the week. I thought she was going crazy, but it did kind of make sense with how much she seemed to know about everyone, and how she could somehow predict things that would happen sometimes (Like she would say "Look over there, she's about to fall" and the person would fall). At the end of that week she seemed different in a way I can't explain. She acted the same, but something was off. It never went back to normal after that and that's what convinced me shifting is real. Of course this evidence will mean less to you because you didn't know her, but that's my story.

I expected it if I'll be entirely honest. I feel the shifting community in general is built for that to happen, but that can happen with communities in general.

That actually does sound really interesting to me, though. It actually just reminded me of something that happened to me in middle school, I had forgotten about it for a while. It wasn't really at all like what you said, but it could be a storytime if anyone else is curious cause now that I'm thinking of it, possibly it could fall under something kind of like this? I'm not sure

I just woke up, so I'm still going through my asks, and everyone is still angry, but oh well. I'm interested to hear if you know more. This one really got to me whether people want to believe it or not

[antishifter-shifting]

If I try to post more like an actual community member, would that maybe help?

I know that's the whole point of trying to see if something is real, you kind of have to actually try

I am also going to start tagging all my posts with tw discourse to try and hopefully prevent those who do not want to see my blog from seeing it, but should I do that even on posts that aren't meant to be discourse?

Even if this seems disingenuous, I feel like it's completely unfair from a logical standpoint to claim wanting to know if something is real and then expecting others to do the work

How should I go about trying to be better in this regard? How does one make a DR or those kinds of posts?

I am trying to take advice. Even if not given as advice, I am starting to understand why people dislike me. I'm not really trying properly. I want to fix that. This is how I am trying. I hope this helps

[antishifter-shifting]

Why dictate a whole account to being a anti shifter? Genuine question

Regardless if you think shifting stories are fake, it’s not like they can physically prove it (in my opinion), like do you expect a shifter to open up a giantic multiverse portal 🧍

I don’t mean in any way to offend/attack you at all, but it just seems draining to do something like this, dictating a whole account to anti shifting. Everyone’s experiences are all different and it’s not our job (as a apart of the community myself, and myself as a person) to dig into people’s shifting stories and anxiously dig out every plot hole and jump to conclusions and call everyone a liar. Like those are OTHER people’s experiences, I wasn’t there to “witness” it and I don’t think its worth the energy to dig into it wether or not I believe them.

Personally, whether draining to me or not, I don't think anyone should worry about that. This was something I chose, and considering I'm the inviting party, it's on me to step back if anything happens. I can remove myself and reply later if need be, because it's nobody else's responsibility to worry about whether I'm drained or not

Also, that's? Not at all what I'm trying to get at? I don't expect some Avengers assemble portal or even physical proof. I just want logical evidence towards it being real, especially considering the whole "everyone can shift, you're not special enough to think you can't do this" that goes around very frequently. If it's that simple and genuinely every person on earth can do it, then that's kind of a whole thing on its own

Especially considering how such a vast amount of "shifters" have come back saying "ok so is it safe to admit that we were all joking about shifting"

If you don't want to extend the energy to do so, that's entirely your valid right, and I'd stand by that just as well any day. It's not like I'm busting down doors and forcing people to admit they're lying, I'll only ever interact with people who interact with me first anyways considering like you said, not everyone wants or cares enough to put energy into this

[antishifter-shifting]

you stated, that you're automatically assuming your mind won't be by anything anyone from the shifting community says.

then...what is the point of this account, truly?

it's obvious, that you are not coming from a place of any good faith.

what is with the anti-shifters' obsession to "own" shifters? why can't you all just "agree to disagree"?

and before you bring out the old "concern for people's mental health" argument. we both know, that's a lie. if that was the case, majority of shifters would not be throwing around terms like "schizophrenic" and using them as insults (which, the people having the condition expressed their discomfort over multiple times).

also...not to mention, that (sometimes mercilessly) harassing mentally ill people will obviously not help them in any way???

No? I've never said my mind won't be changed no matter what. In fact, if anything, I've said the opposite and that I hope it is changed. I'm not trying to "own" anyone.

I've also never claimed "all shifters are schizophrenic" because I'm not a psychologist and that is not my place. All I've stated is that many "symptoms" that people list fit with hallucinations, which is objective fact.

You can have certain symptoms without having a specific disorder, that's common.

I've harassed nobody, in fact, I was upset to learn that people were linking my blog to people without their consent because that goes against the entire point of this blog. Nor have I ever gone after anyone simply because they were a shifter.

[antishifter-shifting]

i don't want to change your mind, as a shifter. I understand how you could be skeptical of spiritual beliefs and religion. I know how easily it can be passed off as delusion- because it's based mainly off of being about faith, belief, and it's very experimental! And with all the debate in the shifting community, it's even more hard to believe, because the community itself can be so divisive.

I just sent this, just because. My apologies if it clogs up your asks. I really do hope nobody threatens you or anything, because I do believe that every spiritual community needs a little criticism.

That does make sense to me. From the other blog, I genuinely did not want this questioning to be linked to anyone without consent. Nobody should be dragged into debates they did not ask for, that's completely unfair and entirely against what I had hoped for this blog.

I do like how varied religion can be, I understand wanting to have comfort for the afterlife and whatnot. I just feel like my brain refuses to believe anything that isn't logical. Even though I feel bad about not having a religion, I don't think it would be fair to be religious without genuinely believing your faith. I see them as wonderful stories at times, but that's not what religion is about. Thus, I do not believe I am welcome in religion.

In a way, perhaps that's the same with shifting?

This is rambling. I apologize.

If it helps, when it comes to this, I do secretly hope my mind can be changed.