Unhealthy obsessions with the Wars of the Roses, Henry VII, the Tudors of Penmynydd, #JustMedievalThings, Blackadder, Horrible Histories, BBC's The Hollow Crown, old manuscripts, and the Ultimate Medieval Stud, Owen Tudor. In this house, we love and respect Margaret Beaufort. ☕beardofkamenev
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[Philippa] Langley does not tire of proclaiming her mission to debunk the Tudor view of the Plantagenets […]. Although the actual Wars of the Roses was fought between two English factions (with varying degrees of non-English lineage), the Ricardian focus on the Wars of the Roses may be code for preserving Englishness and the values of “little England” amid an increasingly multicultural United Kingdom. In ‘Good King Richard?’, published in 1983, Jeremy Potter, then Chairman of the Richard III Society, straightforwardly links his interest in Richard III to Richard’s Anglo-Saxon “blood.”
— Richard Toon and Laurie Stone, ‘Game of Thrones: Richard III and the Creation of Cultural Heritage’ (2017)
“As the genealogical tree of his [Richard III] descents indicates, “the last English king of England” might more accurately be described as the most English of all the sovereign rulers of England for more than a thousand years. Before him there was a dominance of Danish and French blood in the royal family: after him some Welsh and much Scottish and German. The two royal brothers of the house of York alone had four English grandparents and, while Edward IV’s birthplace was in Normandy, Richard was born in Northamptonshire in the heart of England.” (Potter, 1983: 5)
#‘anglo-saxon blood’ when discussing the plantagenets#one has to laugh#but please#tell me more about how the historiography of the wars of the roses isn’t influenced by blatant xenophobia#and rampant english ethno-nationalism#and how these ahistorical right-wing views haven’t influenced popular history#ricardian clownery#richard iii#wars of the roses
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Saint Michael Triumphant over the Devil by Bartolome Bermejo, 1468.
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The King’s Mother
Did Annie Garthwaite write poorly? I was planning to go and watch it, but some comments said that this Margaret Beaufort close-up is very good and very rare among York supporters
I'll be honest and admit I've not read Annie Garthwaite's The King's Mother in full yet, I've read several sections of the advanced reading copy I got off Netgalley and I've read Cecily, which The King's Mother is a sequel to. The King's Mother is only a good book if you're a Ricardian.
Cecily, I think, worked a lot better because it was about a relatively unexplored area in fiction and pop history and Garthwaite had to develop her own ideas about what happened. By the end, it started to become apparent Garthwaite hews very closely to most of the Ricardian tropes. The narrative of The King's Mother covers the reigns of Edward IV and Richard III so the Ricardian tropes are out in full force now and Garthwaite sticks hard to them. I think Garthwaite writes better than Philippa Gregory and she's slightly more sensible in regards to the witchcraft accusations against Jacquetta of Luxembourg but it's about as feminist as Gregory was. The only women we're meant to like are Cecily and Anne Neville, and Anne's characterisation is "tragically weak and sickly but she has brains so she agrees with everything Cecily says". Richard III is an utterly passive do-gooder who has to be cajoled by his wife and mother into serious action.
From the pieces I've read, Margaret Beaufort is the same old religious fanatic (unlike Cecily who is truly pious) and hypocrite who is weirdly obsessed with her son.The narrative and Garthwaite in her author's notes criticise her for being devoted to her son instead of her husbands (the same criticism is levelled at Margaret of Anjou) which is just blatantly misogynistic to me, particularly when Garthwaite does not make excuses for Edmund Tudor and depicts Henry VI as an extreme misogynist who throws his wife under the bus. Why the hell are we criticising them for not devoting themselves to their husbands who treated them like shit and are terrible people in Garthwaite's narrative?
I don't know what those commenters saw in Garthwaite's Margaret Beaufort that was so good unless it's the fact that Margaret does not kill the Princes in this - but only because Garthwaite follows Matthew Lewis's theory that the benevolent Richard III had them smuggled out to Europe. Garthwaite depicts Margaret as being willing to kill them and then spends some time talking about how utterly heinous she was for it and why Margaret's Damned To Hell because of this.* She is depicted as the lone woman who is able to outmanoeuvre Cecily but, y'know, she's still evil and she can only do it because Cecily taught her everything she knows. I just... look, is the bar that low on the floor that evil girlboss damned to hell but doesn't kill the Princes is actually a good and sympathetic depiction?
* Given Garthwaite depicted Cecily as canonically desiring to secretly give Jacquetta of Luxembourg a non-consensual abortion and willing to "deal with" (i.e. kill) the child Edward of Lancaster, this seems highly hypocritical of Garthwaite and Cecily. But then this is the same author who spends an entire book referring Henry VI with ableist language only to turn around and deliver a chest-thumping screed about the evils of Tudor ableism about Richard III's scoliosis.
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Britain's Bloody Crown + Costumes
Margaret Beaufort's blue & golden wedding dress in Episode 04.
// requested by @garnetbutterflysblog
#good to see maggie b portrayed as young for once#instead of perpetually an old widow#margaret beaufort
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Plain text version with image descriptions is under the cut.
Please note that the image descriptions will be reflecting what I am trying to convey with the photo, rather than the total look of the photo itself. For example if I am trying to describe a dress, the hair colour of the person wearing it will be ignored. This is to reduce the total word count of the descriptions, because I have a lot of images to describe. On this note, I have also streamlined the information as much as possible.
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First slide: Mariota’s Guide to 14th Century (Medieval) Women’s Clothing
This slideshow is brought to you by @the-merry-otter on tumblr
ALRIGHT LISTEN UP MOTHERS AND FUCKERS. I’m bored, so today we’re going to be talking about medieval clothing. Specifically fourteenth century English clothing because that’s what I’m good at. (Source: trust me bro I’m a reenacter). Also this is all female stuff - sorry masc leaning folks, I’ll get to you someday!
Disclaimer: this is not completely comprehensive or nuanced in the slightest, it’s just a quick overview guide. Do your own research xoxo.
[Image ID: to the left is a picture of a woman in a light blue dress and a pink hood gazing out at a lake. The hood has a skirt that falls over her shoulders, and there is along thin pipe attached to the back of the hood that dangles to her knees. The edges of the hood are decorated with burgundy crochet. The picture is captioned “beautiful, stunning, gorgeous, literal goals.” End ID]
[Image ID: To the right is a picture of a typical renn faire outfit. It has a white poofy underdress, a black corset, and a brown skirt. There is a red cross drawn over the image. It is captioned “very pretty, but definitely not medieval sorry!” End ID]
Second slide: Underwear (ooh la la)
Now with nasty pocketses
[Image ID: a picture of gollum, from lord of the rings, snarling in disgust. There is a line in The Hobbit where he asks Bilbo what he has in his nasty little pocketses, which is what I am referencing. End ID]
So, corsets, stays, and shapewear in general kind of wasn’t a thing yet. So your underwear was a shift, which was awesome because it was also your pajamas. They were usually made of linen, though some might have been made of cotton is you were rich.
[Image ID: A plain white linen garment laid out flat on the floor. It is a dress that hangs to about knee length, with elbow length sleeves. An arrow points to it with text reading “this is a shift”. End ID]
There is evidence for supportive shifts for busy support, like this one from the fourteenth century!
[Image ID: a second shift, worn by a female presenting person. It is laced up the front, and is a lot tighter and more fitted, especially around the bust. It has straps instead of sleeves. End ID]
There’s also this bra like fragment found in Austria, but that is a whole debate so.
[Image ID: A bra-like garment fitted to a mannequin. It seems to be made out of white linen, coloured with time. The left cup is damaged, and overall the garment looks incomplete. End ID]
Then, over the shift, yet under your main dress went your pockets, which tied on at the waist. Your dresses had slits do that you could get at your stuff without flashing everyone lol.
[Image ID: A picture of medieval pockets. They are upside down teardrop shaped, but the point is flat and is part of the waist ties. There are slits in the side up the top to access the inside. They are cream coloured with bright floral embroidery. The caption reads “these bad boys can fit so many cool pebbles.” End ID]
[Image ID: A young female-presenting person wearing medieval clothing. She has her hands in the pocket slits of her dress. They are just below hip height. End ID]
Third slide: your dress, or the cotehardie. (Pronounced coat hardy)
Over the shift you put your dress, sometimes referred to as either a kirtle or cotehardie. 14th century people started actually form-fitting their clothes more than previous centuries. These needed fastenings, which were mostly lacings (spiral lacings specifically), or buttons made of either metal or cloth, used at the front of the dress from neckline to waist, and on the sleeves from elbow to wrist, with exceptions of course.
(Sidenote: fuck sleeves, all my homies hate sleeves)
[Image ID: a woman in a warm yellow dress to the left of the text. The dress is constructed simply, with a single piece of fabric used for the length of the body so there is no waist seam. The skirt is widened by inserting four triangles, one each at the front and back, and one on each side. The front has buttons made of the same fabric as the dress, that go down to the belt at the waist. The sleeves have similar buttons from wrist to elbow, on the outside of the arm. The woman is also wearing a liripipe hood. End ID]
Dresses seemed to be mostly wool, though I often use linen for mine because I live in Australia and it’s hot in summer and I don’t want to die. Most often they weren’t lined (that is what the underwear was for).
[Image ID: in the top left of the slide is a woman wearing a green woollen dress. It is constructed the same as the previous image, except it has spiral lacing on the front instead of buttons. The sleeves are fastened by three small buttons. She is wearing a simple and veil. End ID]
[Image ID: the top right of the slide shows a woman in a teal coloured dress, similar to the one before. This one has metal buttons at the sleeves and down the front. She wears a veil only. End ID]
The neckline of these dresses was usually round or an oval shape, and some manuscripts have it so wide that it falls off the shoulders slightly.
[Image ID: A photo of a medieval manuscript, depicting six medieval ladies in a row holding hands. The neckline of their dresses is wide enough that the tops of their shoulders are visible. The image is captioned “me and the girls on a Friday night”. End ID]
Clothing was a lot more colourful than the movies would have us believe lol.
[Image ID: Three women, each in dresses similar to the ones before. To the left is a forest green, the middle one is bright saffron yellow, and the one to the right is a vibrant tomato red. End ID].
Fourth slide: Dress two; electric boogaloo
[Image ID: Merry and Pippin from lord of the rings. Above them, meme text reads “we’ve had one, yes”, and then continues below with “but what about second dress?”. End ID]
You could also wear an overdress, which was usually of a contrasting colour and had shorter sleeves.
As well as fashion, they would have been used for extra warmth, and so were usually made of wool.
[Image ID: a woman in a maroon coloured dress like the ones on the previous slide. The sleeves stop just above her elbow, revealing a blue dress underneath. End ID].
Common people would have only owned a couple of different outfits, as fabric was super expensive.
[Image ID: various pictures of women with examples of an overdress. They are all constructed the same as the overdress, but with shorter sleeves that reveal a second sleeve of a different colour underneath. End ID]
A common late thirteenth to mid fourteenth century overdress was the ladies surcoat, which had big holes instead of sleeves.
Belts would have been worn underneath the surcoat.
[Image ID: three photos of women wearing surcoats. They are normal dresses, except there is a large D shape cut out of either side, leaving a large hole from the shoulder to below the hip. They have no buttons down the front. One of the surcoats is made of red brocade, and obviously belongs to an upper-class impression. End ID].
Fifth slide: Hair and headwear
Hair was worn braided and pinned up, with a coif (cap) and either a wimple or veil, or both. The wimple and/or veil were usually pinned to the coif, or secured on a band of fabric around the head.
Veils would be either oval, or a D shape. Wimples were rectangular. A wimple goes under the chin and a veil goes over your head.
[Image ID: a close up of a woman wearing a wimple. It is made of a light fabric, likely silk. The wimple wraps under her chin and is secured at the back of her head. A narrow band of fabric or possibly leather circles her brow, which would have been used to secure the wimple. End ID.]
[Image ID: A picture of YouTuber Morgan Donner wearing a wimple and veil. The wimple wraps under her chin, and the veil is placed on top of her head, draping down past her shoulders. It does not cover her face. Loops of hair are visible either side of her face. End ID]
All the headwear would be made of linen, thin wool, or silk, depending on class. The veils could also be made really fancy by ruffling the front edge or by attaching pearls.
[Image ID: a woman in a wimple and half-circle veil. The edge of the veil that frames her face is elaborately ruffled. The edge of a coif is visible under the veil. End ID]
I ride the bus in my medieval gear a lot because of events, and way too many people think I’m Amish because of my veil. It’s honestly just funny at this point. I should keep a tally.
[Image ID: a woman wearing a St Birgitta’s coif, pinning a wimple at the back of her head. The coif is a simple white linen cap that encloses the head, with a line of lace down the centre of the head. It is secured with a loop of linen around the head. End ID].
[Image ID: a picture of someone with plaits that have been pinned around the head like a crown. It is captioned “you could also pin your hair up like this”. End ID]
Working women might have just wrapped their head in a scarf instead, fuck this fancy shit right?
[Image ID: a woman in a headscarf that has been twisted and then looped around the front of her head. It is captioned #girlboss. End ID].
Fake braids were a thing! Blonde hair in particular was very fashionable, and bleaching or fake braids were sometimes used to achieve that.
[Image ID: two fake braids made of a coarse fibre. They are blonde in colour, and are looped like a hairstyle seen on many of the reenactors. They have white ribbons attached to the top end to help secure them to the head. End ID]
Sixth slide: Cloaks and hoods
These would have actually been two seperate garments! Integrated hoods on cloaks didn’t actually become a thing until the … seventeenth century or so? (Citation needed).
Cloaks were a lot simpler than the typical cloak we think of nowadays. Often they were just a rectangle of wool, or by the fourteenth century, sometimes a half circle.
They were almost always wool as far as I know, and were generally fastened by a cloak pin or buttons.
[Image ID: a metal cloak pin. It is a circle with a small opening at one point. A long pin is attached via a loop, allowing it to slide along the pin. It can fit through the opening in the circle. To use one, you would gather the fabric on the pin, and then slot the circle over the pin and then turn it, so the fabric is trapped between circle and pin. This is much easier to demonstrate than describe. The picture is captioned “these bad boys are the real MVP’s though”. End ID].
[Image ID: a diagram showing the construction of the bocksten man cloak. It is a half circle pieced together by laying strips of fabric together. In the centre of the flat side, a half circle is cut out for the neck. End ID]
[Image ID: a reconstruction of the bocksten man cloak. It is orange wool, and lined with an off-white linen. It is fastened on the right shoulder by three fabric buttons. It would fall to just above the wearers knees. End ID].
Women’s hoods could be short and open, or with a longer skirt and closed with buttons. Liripipe (pronounced leery-pipe) hoods were named for the tube of fabric that dangled off the back of your hood, varying in length. As well as a fashion statement, it could also be wrapped around the neck like a scarf if it got cold.
Hoods were nearly always wool I’m pretty sure, though they were often lined with linen, silk, or cotton.
[General description: a short liripipe hood would be open, with the bottom only reaching your shoulders. They were made from a single piece of fabric that would wrap over your head, with the seam down the centre back of your head. It was flared at the bottom by inserting triangular gores. At the front edge near your face there would be a strip jutting out that went from one side of your chin, over your head, and down to the other side. This would usually be folded back, revealing the lining colour. The bottom of the hood could either just reach the base of your neck, or reach down to just past your shoulders. The former would usually be open at the front, with fastenings optional. The latter option with the longer skirt was almost always able to be fastened up the front with fabric buttons. The liripipe itself was a thin flat tube of fabric fastened at the centre top back of the hood. End ID]
Fun fact, 90% of why I decided to reenact the fourteenth century specifically was because of liripipe hoods.
Seventh slide: Feet (not in a weird way)
Hose were used to keep your legs warm. For women they were usually knee height, and fastened just underneath it with a garter or tie.
[Image ID: a single light yellow hose, belted beneath the knee with a leather garter. The seam is down the centre back of the leg going all the way to your toes, and then around the top of the foot in front of where it connects to your leg. End ID]
Hose usually would have been made from wool, and were cut on the diagonal (bias) of the fabric to get the maximum stretch possible from the fabric. They still were looser than modern tights are though!
Knitted socks were also a thing I’m pretty sure, but I don’t know enough about them. Sorry!
Shoes were simple, usually referred to as turnshoes because of how they were made. Fun fact: the lack of foot support means that turnshoes are similar to going barefoot in terms of how you walk. Some reenactors love it, some hate it, and some are indifferent lol.
[Image ID: a pair of turnshoes made of dark leather. They have a strap that would fasten around the front of the ankle, similar to some modern shoes. The toes are pointed, and it is captioned “pointy toes were fashionable, especially for men”. End ID].
Because shoes were really hard to waterproof, (ask me how I know), and didn’t have solid soles, wooden pattens (pronounced pat-tens) were worn to keep you off the ground while outside.
[Image ID: a person wearing a pair of wooden pattens over their shoes, standing on a drenched cobblestone street. They are wooden platforms with an archway on the bottom, and are attached to the foot with leather straps around the toe, ankle, and around the back of the heel, similar to modern sandals. The image is captioned “ye old crocs”. End ID].
[Image ID: a woman’s leg with the skirts drawn back, revealing the bright yellow hose underneath. It is fastened below the knee with a strip of fabric. She wears a turnshoe with a buckled strap. End ID]
Eighth slide: Accessories
These are a few other items that might have made up a working woman’s outfit.
Aprons would definitely have been used while working. One were just a large rectangle of cloth tucked into the belt, some were smocked to draw in the fabric. They generally stopped at the waist.
[Image ID: a woman in a red dress, with a very light brown apron. It is smocked at the top, and is attached around the waist with a string. End ID].
Pretty broaches and other jewellery existed! There was cheaper stuff made of pewter for the lower classes.
[Image ID: five gold brooches, studded with different jewels and pearls. End ID].
They had a funny sense of humour as well… and they weren’t all prudes.
[Image ID: a pewter broach of a cat carrying a dick and balls in its mouth. It is captioned “you can actually buy these. I know a website.” End ID].
Eating knives were worn on the belt, though it is debated whether women would have carried one. I do because I’m a modern fourteenth century woman.
[Image ID: a small knife with a wooden handle, laying on top of a leather sheath that has been dyed red. End ID]
Belts are a curiously debated topic. Some people reckon that women would have definitely worn them, others say they they weren’t used by women much at all. As far as I know there are depictions of both, so choose what you’d prefer. They are great for hanging stuff on I gotta say.
[Image ID: a coiled up brown leather belt. The buckle and tip are a gold metal, and it has decorative flower studs along its length in the same metal. End ID]
Pretty little purses would have probably been worn. I don’t know enough about them to say anything else though.
[Image ID: two different pictures of reenactors wearing purses. One is brocade and the other a red fabric. They are in the shape of an upright triangle, and both have five tassels hanging from the bottom edge. They hang off the belt with long drawstrings. Unrelated to the purses, one of the women is wearing a gorgeous orange liripipe hood, that is embroidered and dagged on the bottom skirt edge. End ID]
Ninth slide: Fancy Shmancy
There is a lot I haven’t covered, especially in the realm of the upper classes. Here is some of what has been missed. (Buckle up because this section is very image heavy. I will be as concise as possible).
Heraldic dresses! If you are interested, go check out Morgan Donners video on YouTube.
[Image ID: a picture of Morgan Donner in her heraldic dress. One half of the dress is red, and the other is green, except for where it has been cut out by white with an ermine pattern on it. Her hair is unbound and uncovered, except by a small flower crown. It is captioned “Morgan bestie do your hair properly :(“. End ID]
[Image ID: a drawing of two women in heraldic dresses. The first has a blue right half with a yellow printed design. The top left of the dress is yellow with a blue fish, and the bottom left is red with a white fish. Her train is held by the second lady, who’s dress is blue on the right, and white with green birds on the left. End ID].
Fancy headpieces for rich bitches only.
[Image ID: a reenactor doing a high class impression. Her hair is bound up in Pearl studded hair nets on either side of her head like modern earmuffs, with a spiked coronet around her brow. She has a sheer silk wimple on. End ID]
Fancy dagged edged on hoods, sleeves, dresses, etc.
[Dagging description: where the edge has been cut away to make decorative dangly bits. One hood has red leaves around the bottom edge for example, and another just has a pretty geometric pattern. End description].
Brocade gowns! So pretty!
[Image ID: several different pictures of high class ladies wearing brocade gowns of different colours. These are similar to the wool dresses we were looking at earlier, but with longer trains, and often long draping sleeves. There is even a brocade surcoat. End ID]
Fancy sleeves!
[Image ID: examples of different long sleeves. On some, the sleeve is normal until the elbow, and then it falls away to a long strip of fabric that dangles to the ground. Not mentioned on the slide itself is tippets, which was a band of (usually white) fabric just above your elbow, with a thin strip of the same fabric that draped down to the floor. End ID].
Dresses that were two different colours.
[Image ID: examples of dresses that are exactly like the earlier wool dresses, except they are literally half one colour and half another. The manuscript example is a blue and red overdress with fancy sleeves, and the reenactor example is a yellow and green underdress with a red hood. End ID]
And of course, some of the funky fun fabric choices.
[Image ID: a manuscript depiction of a woman carrying a dead bird. Her hood is red and white striped horizontally, and her dress is dark and light blue striped, also horizontally. End ID].
[Image ID: a manuscript depicting a woman talking to a second lady in a chair. The dress on the first has horizontal stripes of white, red, yellow, and blue, repeated, and the second has horizontal stripes of white, pink, and light blue. Interestingly enough the latter colours are very similar to the transgender flag which would make a very cool dress project. Hmm. End ID].
Tenth (and final) slide: In summery
(Small red text below title reads “I hope you have enjoyed” with a drawn smiling face).
Dis you notice all the “usually” “commonly” and “often’s” in there? That’s because I cannot possibly illustrate everything that we know of the time in only ten slides, nor do I know everything, so I have just tried to show what seems to be the most depicted.
Note: I probably even got some stuff wrong by the way.
If you’re interested in this stuff, I really recommend doing your own research now! Hopefully I have given you a good overview of what a fourteenth century womens outfit might have looked like, so now you can go fourth and know what you’re looking for.
If you have any questions about costuming, reenactment, or anything else, feel free to contact me!! I respond on Timblr decently fast ☺️
[Image ID: a reenactor sitting on a log, staring into the distance with a slight smile. She is wearing a grey-blue dress, belted at the waist with a small purse dangling from it. She has a dark blue cape and a light blue hood, that has fallen back to show a ruffled white veil. There is a pewter broach on her hood. A leather turnshoe peeks out from beneath the hem of her dress. End ID]
A list of helpful YouTubers:
Elin Abrahamsson
Morgan Donner
Opus Elenae
Miss Joss (her instagram is more active).
Now go hydrate!!
[Image ID: a woman in fourteenth century garb drinking from a jug. End ID]
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Windsor Castle
#owen tudor’s posh jail where he was sent to chill out#(probably didn’t look like this in 1438 though)#pretty places
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the more I read about Richard Plantagenet the Duke of York, the more I’m amazed at just how much of a political disaster he seems to have been
#because his son(s) were ‘awesome’ that must have meant that he was ‘awesome’ too#not to mention just the outright misogyny towards margaret of anjou and ableism towards henry vi in popular historiography#that makes him look ‘better’ in comparison when no… lol#yorkists dni#richard duke of york#wars of the roses
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The Lady and the Unicorn is the modern title given to a series of six tapestries created woven in Flanders from wool and silk, from designs drawn in Paris around 1500. The set, on display in the Musée de Cluny in Paris, considered one of the greatest works of art of the Middle Ages in Europe.

"According to my only wish."

"The lady with the unicorn. Hearing"

"The lady with the unicorn. Touch"

"The lady with the unicorn. Smell."

"The lady with the unicorn. Vision"

"The lady with the unicorn. Taste"
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only in australia could a case called tickle vs giggle be a milestone in the battle for the rights of trans women
#not so fun fact: grover’s lawyer was katherine deves#clown loser candidate and clown lawyer of a clown who ran a clown argument and lost in clownish proportions#i support terfs’ rights to shut the fuck up#the life and times of kamenev’s beard
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I was looking at the Garden of Earthly Delights earlier and??? Bosch painted a weird little seal-esque thing???
WHAT IS THAT!! LOOK AT IT!! I LOVE IT
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"Henry VII stole the throne!" Ah yes who could forget Richard III's landslide victory in the General Election of 1483.
#and william the conqueror#and king john#and henry iv#and edward iv#and richard iii the bozo himself#ricardians are so deeply unserious#man lasted 2 years on the throne before getting his ass handed to him by a n00b at a battle that lasted just over 2 hours#wars of the roses#richard iii#henry vii
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‘he did charity and funded things, which is socialist’ worstie, he was a catholic king — that was literally his job
#matt lewis: ‘richard was a socialist king’#my brother in christ bffr now#as a socialist i do not claim him#ricardian clownery
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#i know i blog about the dead medieval kings a lot#but if they came back to life i would not hesitate to guillotine them all#royalists dni
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Just wanted to add that even Owen – who was considered by the general English public at this time to have been “neither of birth nor of livelihood” – was allowed to keep a chaplain and servant with him at Newgate Prison. At the very least, Owen had his chaplain with him because a year into his imprisonment, said chaplain helped him beat the living daylights out of his jailor and escape.
If Owen was allowed to keep servants whilst in literal prison (and a notoriously terrible commoners prison at that), then surely the Dowager Queen and mother of the King would have kept servants at Bermondsey.
Did Catherine of Valois bring her servants into the monastery before her death? I remember her will demanding repayment of the servant's salary, and was Owen Tudor there with her?
I was just talking about this with @beardofkamenev and both of us think she brought her servants with her into Bermondsey Abbey. We know very, very little about her time at Bermondsey Abbey but as @beardofkamenev pointed out to me, Edmund and Jasper Tudor were attended by servants when they were being raised at Barking Abbey and if they had servants, it's likely Catherine - who, after all, was still Queen of England and before then had been the daughter of the King of France - would have been attended by servants. At best, the number of servants may have been a reduction in the number that usually attended her but it's not like she'd be unattended.
As for Owen Tudor, we really don't know where he was at this time. The traditional narrative that the discovery of Catherine's secret marriage by Humphrey, Duke of Gloucester led to her being "forced" into Bermondsey Abbey and Owen's simultaneous arrest was invented by Agnes Strickland in the 19th century - we know now that the minority council (and thus Gloucester) knew about the marriage well before Catherine's death. The only thing we can say for certain about Owen at this time is that soon after Catherine's death, Henry VI summoned Owen to his presence and he was subsequently arrested. Owen may well have been at Bermondsey with Catherine for all we know. If he and Catherine were trying to keep their marriage from becoming public knowledge, he may have been present officially as one of her servants.
#we don’t know where owen was when catherine died#but i will adopt that headcanon WAH#owen tudor#catherine de valois
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The chronicler Gregory, referring to Owain [Tudor]’s end, tells a macabre story of how a mad woman combed Owain’s hair and washed the blood off his face. ‘And she got candles and set them about him burning more than a hundred.’ Owain himself, when he finally realised that his end was nigh and could not be avoided, murmured sadly, “That head shall lie on the stock was that was wont to lie on Queen Catherine’s lap”; and put his heart and mind wholly unto God and full meekly took his death.’ He was buried at the Friars Minor’s chapel at Hereford.
Glanmor Williams, Renewal and Reformation: Wales C. 1415-1642 (1993)
His son Jasper [Tudor] was deeply stung by this defeat and especially his father’s death. Some of the Welsh poets also took Owain’s death far less meekly than he himself was reported to have done. Robin Ddu sadly lamented the ‘severing of the sea-swallow’s head’ but rejoiced that ‘the great eagle, the earl [Jasper] had been left’ […], while Ieuan Gethin would have preferred to see him die, if he had to, on the field of battle, and could not forgive the English […] for shortening his hero’s life. He could console himself and his hearers only by remembering that in spite of Owain’s death, he could still look to his grandson, Henry, and his son, Jasper, to fulfil the old dreams of freedom and a better day for the Welsh.
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