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Very well said, and the interpretation is phenomenal! I actually berry much agree with this to a T. The possibility of a MAYBE they get together, however has me extremely hopeful of this ship. I'd love a major event to snap ES out of her delusions, perhaps a "Beast Awakening" to help her out of that corrupted mindset. Not only would that bring us closer to really taking down DE but we would get hella OP cookies to fight with.

EternalBerry for me is hopeful triumph, fight with passion and equal rest to enjoy the simple things in life. 😊

Honestly, I love the idea that all the Beasts just need to remember "everything in moderation" too much of anything isnt good. Good Ratios of ingrediants make a good dough!

On the recent update, I noticed a lot on yt and a lot of places on the internet that people fully believe that eternal sugar changed for the better at the end of episode ten of beast yeast. In an objective standpoint I thought she didn't and was wondering on your take on if she changed or not objectively and maybe the reasoning for why people think so. And also if it's not too much, what's your opinions on people pushing (not those who say they think or have it as a HC) that Eternalholly is cannon and not one sided?

I think the entire point of the ending was that she didn't change.

And she directly confirms so by this dialogue alone:

Eternal Sugar Cookie is in deep denial with reality.

This dynamic is central to her and HB's relationship.

ES has always been avoiding reality like a plague, to the point even the mere thought of it scares her.

You can see this especially during her final conversation with Hollyberry Cookie, moments like:

These moments highlight perfectly just how much she hates reality.

She repeatedly associates it with pain. Not just any pain, a pain so overwhelming that it feels like you're being torn apart.

This is basically what their dynamic comes down to.

Acceptance and denial of reality.

Eternal Sugar believes that happiness can be created wherever reality doesn't reach, for that can only bring pain and sorrow. She truly believes that confining cookies here in the garden, a place where she has artificially bred happiness would keep them the most well and happy, for what truly can make you more happy if you remain confined in a space detached from reality? What can make you happier if you live in your own delusions without accepting the cold hard truth? Forever on the run from it and denying it?

Eternal Sugar Cookie embodies that. She has found herself happiness in her delusions, in her twisted sense of "reality" and doesn't want to step beyond it.

That doesn't mean she has ill intentions in mind though. She really is sincere in what she wants.

Happiness for all cookies.

She really wants that. She really does everything she feels is right to cultivate that.

But that doesn't make her methods or approach correct though.

Trapping and not allowing the subjects of her garden to go outside is wrong.

Intoxicating them with such an aroma that they forget all their worries and let themselves indulge in the luxuries her place offers (basically making them high and stripping their will) is wrong.

Scaring them and indirectly threatening them to not leave is wrong as well.

The very methods through which she tries to deliver happiness at the end denies all her subjects their true happiness. It even denies her true happiness.

Hollyberry Cookie understands that.

For just like ES, she has had a phase where she just wanted to run away from the cold hard reality because it hurts. The sad truth is, ES in a way is very much correct.

When you experience something painful or traumatic, the first response is to run away from it.

This is something HB is highly aware of.

From drinking away her problems to neglecting her son to running away from her kingdom after a mental crisis and war, HB has always found some way to avoid reality.

ES's garden was truly a paradise for her in the truest sense. Because just like her, she just wanted to forever run from reality than facing it. She didn't want to face her past, her mistakes, her everything because of the pain that accompanies it.

This is why ES took even more interest in her because she wanted exactly what she offered, denial.

But this is the very thing which also seperates them.

Unlike ES, HB doesn't forever want to live in a delusional world. She has always been the one to face danger and pain head on.

She has her moments of confusion but at the end, HB would rather accept the cold whiplash of truth than forever live in the sweet embrace of a lie like ES.

Unlike ES, HB isn't the one to lie to herself nor is she someone who cowers from pain.

And this, all of this? HB knows and understands this.

Which is exactly why she acknowledges it directly, she tries to gently nudge ES in the right direction, the reality.

That is why, she essentially at first literally says "There's plenty of fishes in the sea!" to ES here when she asks why she's leaving lol

But when that obviously doesn't work judging by her reaction...

She tries to give her a gentle reminder towards the truth.

The most important thing to takeaway from here is HB acknowledges her good intentions but she also tries to push her towards realising the truth.

That there is a world beyond her garden and while it may hurt to incorporate with it at first for reality often is cruel and pain is inevitable but it is only after pain that one can gain happiness. True happiness.

However....as you can see, even the mere mention of reality scares her. So much so, that she asks HB to stop.

She hates reality.

She is scared of reality.

She fears reality.

Which is why, HB tries to console her gently again.

While also pushing her towards the right decision.

By also calling out her flaws.

And offering hope.

Ultimately leading her to atleast think about it, even if for a second.

Which is a huge step up.

HB put a connection with herself and reality to get ES to consider it after seeing that she won't even listen about it on its own.

Her words came from a place of understanding.

What HB said here didn't come from a romantic perspective especially when you look at their dynamic as a whole.

Hollyberry Cookie is a person who wants something reality in life. She craves for reality, she doesn't like falsehoods and would rather take the pain accompanying truths than seek comfort in lies. She'd rather accept the cold hard reality and the pain that accompanies it rather than live in delusions.

Eternal Sugar Cookie is a person who doesn't want the reality in life. She'd rather indulge herself in falsehoods and the sweet veil of lies rather than face pain while facing the cold hard truth. She finds her comfort in the artificial world she has weaved together in her delusions.

This is what really seperates the two and puts them on two different paths.

HB is willing to face the truth and step away from the twisted world crafted by ES while ES isn't willing to step away from it but she doesn't want to let go of HB either.

This... is exactly why ES says this:

Because she understands this conflict.

She knows that what HB is saying is correct and if HB goes outside and gets the true happiness she seeks, it would prove that she has been wrong.

That she has been denying herself happiness and what she has artificially bred in her garden is wrong.

That is why she asks HB to not do this, to not do this to her.

Because while ES is close to admitting her fault, she still is in heavy denial.

Let's revisit the most famous bit that is often interpreted as Eternalberry being "canon" and HB returning ES's feelings:

I think what most ppl fail to understand is that HB's words, with all the previous context in mind, comes from a place of understanding rather than romance.

HB directly admits that while she feels ES is sincere in her actions, her methods are wrong for she is detached from reality and is lying to herself about it.

HB tries to gently nudge ES towards the truth but ES was unwilling to even listen the word reality and literally asks HB to stop which leads her to gently nudge her again because HB recognises ES is not a malicious person. She's just in deep denial and trapped in her own delusional thoughts.

That's exactly why she puts a connection with herself and the truth to get ES to atleast listen because she knows ES won't be listening otherwise.

She quite directly says that the day ES stops lying to herself and gets better, that's the day they can complete eachother cuz as of rn, they don't.

HB and ES are supposed to be eachother's other halves. The ones completing eachother's very soul but they don't.

ES is deep seated in denial while HB craves reality.

How can they complete eachother's soul when their paths diverge instead of converging?

When one runs away from truth while the other runs towards it?

What HB says here is trying to show her the pros of leaving the delusion.

She's basically saying to ES that if she accepts reality then both of them can consider being eachother's other half.

She isn't showing romantic interest towards ES, just showing her that if she changes for the better then she can consider being her other half (Key words: perhaps then).

This just goes to show HB doesn't have the same interest as ES towards her. She is interested in ES but just not in the romantic way.

That's exactly why she tries to console ES by trying to tempt her with something ES actually wants.

A connection with herself.

And the brilliant part is, she gets ES to think about it. The same person who refused hear even the word "reality" suddenly thinks about it at the prospect of joining HB but ultimately, choses her delusions.

That is exactly why when HB doesn't comply to her begging requests, she opts to trap them all in her garden for life and when that didn't work out, she tries to destroy her garden and kill herself along with the damage.

She quite literally goes insane when HB rejects her and tells her that she has to leave.

To the point, she tries to self inflict harm upon herself.

HB, even though she doesn't love her romantically, still cares about ES which includes her life.

So when ES almost dies by getting crushed by her own garden collapsing-

HB swoops in.

In a very stereotypically prince in armor style saving the damsel in distress (ES) fashion lol

However this romantic angle is from ES's pov.

From HB's perspective, she makes it clear that she is not doing this cuz she wants to stay with ES/live in her delusions of because she has a romantic interest in her.

She literally says to ES to snap out of it and wake up 😭

Cuz she wants ES to see that she doesn't feel the way ES thinks she feels lol

HB quite literally calls out her delusion.

But not before nudging her to think about what she says because at the end, HB wants ES to change for the better.

And ES, over the moon, agrees to think about it because of the moment

I think what's important to note here is that HB cares about ES and her life but just not in the way ES does for her.

For HB, it really comes off from a platonic perspective because she doesn't want ES to end herself just because she rejected her/her delusional world because at the end, she cares about her and her life and doesn't want her to kill herself just because of this, despite knowing PV's warnings about Beasts.

Because Beast or not, HB sees the good in ES that's why she keeps asking her to consider what she says to her.

Irl, when someone proposes to someone and they take get rejected and take it badly, the person who rejected sometimes just consoles the other person that they can't be with them for (x) reason and until they do (x), they can't be but if they do (x) then they can consider it. They may or may not actually mean it but the point is, this happens quite a lot and isn't too uncommon.

What HB is doing here is basically that. She basically tried to console ES in a similar way and asked her to help herself by stop denying herself reality and maybe then ES can get a chance to be truly be her other half but until then, nope. And when ES takes this rejection incredibly badly and tries to end her very life, HB intervenes because her intention isn't to finish off ES but rather guide her towards healing because she genuinely thinks she's a good person at heart and sincere in her philanthropic joyful wishes towards others but it's just that she's in deep denial about the flaws in her ways that's doing harm to both her and everyone around her.

HB's response to all ES's advances is at its core just this:

She doesnt want ES the way, ES craves her.

This is further evidenced here as ES basically confirms the parallel between how they see their relationship:

She'd forever wait for HB even when HB won't.

She'd forever offer HB her love even when she rejects that a thousand times.

This directly shows their core dynamic.

ES loves HB romantically but HB? She doesn't.

[Quick Note: This is in this canon reality where she didn't accept her offer to stay by her side, if she did then welcome to their costume story which is a whole another AU and interpretation of her character lmao (there HB can be read as having mutual feelings for ES) ]

And it is due to that, ES is more focused on HB saving her than heeding her words.

The main reason? She chose her delusions at the end.

She said she'll think about what HB says and she does.....just not what HB told her to think about lol

At the end, she really just understood that HB thinks the outside world is better but takes it as some sort of phase of hers that she'll outgrow once she understands how much the outside sucks and will return to her again one day. (Pure copium and delusion lol)

She didn't think about what HB said, it's doubtful she even understood what she tried to say. She's far more focused on her and ironically, her own web of misconceptions than face the possibility of reality.

ES at the end remained unchanged. She chose her own artificially manufactured world of happiness over the real one.

She didnt accept HB's rejection and still awaits her, inevitably setting history to repeat itself because HB will forever reject her false world created by her own denial and self-lying and ES will forever remain self-destructive because of it.

Just as HB said, unless ES "wakes up", she'll forever be stuck in this eternal cycle of pain, false happiness and denial not allowing her to ultimately achieve her dream to bring happiness to everyone or even be her other half.

So yeah, Eternalberry is very much one sided.

Those dialogues by HB truly mean nothing on their own and can only come off as romantic if you take it out of context. If you take in the context, HB's tone is very clear.

HB doesn't love ES the way ES loves her nor does she need her the way ES does.

At the end, they can't be anything, let alone soul mates/eachother's halves unless and until ES changes. It is only then that HB may consider it.

The entire conversation, if anything, just proves so.

So in conclusion, no. Eternalberry isn't canon but rather one sided just like all the Beast x Ancient ships (and this is coming from a person who ships Eternalberry and desperately wants it to be thing in the future lol).

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