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ZK Stans are so insecure about their ship LOL

Not gonna name drop this person because I don’t wanna be a total dick. But the ISANE amount of copium this MF is on must be seen to be believed. 😂🤣

“Kataang RUINED the show because the writers didn’t cave into fandom entitlement and make MY ship canon” boo-f*cking-hoo

“Look at all this EVIDENCE, see how a the writers talking about an intial scrapped concept from the show’s bible, Katara’s VA saying she has a crush on Aang and two jokes, one making fun of Zutara irrefutably proves Zutara was going to be canon”

“SEE! MY middle-school Twilight-ass ship would’ve made the show better, that’s why I don’t write from any legitimate media and I sit in my room all day writing non-canon ship fanfics on Wattpad”

Notice how none of this actively points to Zutara being a thing. One is about Zuko taking wisdom from other nations, one is about Aang opening his chakra, one is about Aang saying that not everyone in the Fire Nation is evil, one is Katara offering to heal Zuko and this nutcase just thought of “SHIP”

Ignoring the fact that Tui and La is clearly suppose to parallel Kataanf (with much clearer parallels too) NONE of this crap relates to how Tui and La are described. OP is desperate 😂

“SEE! The VAs agree with me” ignoring the fact that most of them also ship Kataang, almost like you can like non-canon ships without pathetically trying to make the canon ship look as problematic as possible 🤔

“Someone tell me where I find this totally fake information, I need more proof and evidence to validate my mid non-canon SHIP. What’s the source?”

Source: “dude, trust me”

“This sexualized, overly-emotional depiction of Katara from the nation that colonized her tribe, is actually how the writers view Katara”

A.K.A. OP wants to make this caricature of Katara as legitimate as possible because it means MORE ZUTARA (despite the play making fun of it), so they gotta shift the blame back to the writers, because Bryke is the devil for not making their Wattpad ship canon.

“See, SEE, Aang didn’t let go of Katara (even though he clearly does in the Book 2 finale). MOAR evidence as to why this ship is bad and my ship is better” 🤪

OP blatantly admitted they’re too media-illiterate to understand what’s happening 🤣

“Both Aang and Zuko are saving Katara from falling rocks. That means Zutara was gonna be ENDGAME”

🙄

“NOOOOOOO!! You can’t call Zuko and Katara siblings (even though some writers have) because my kids magazine totally wasn’t ship-baiting me in middle-school”

“But Aang and Katara are siblings, mother-son, babysitter based on this PITCH BIBLE. Just like how Toph is a man. Aang and Katara are totally platonic, she totally didn’t wanna kiss Aang in that cave, that dance in The Headband was totally platonic, her physical affection and irrefutable love for Aang is like a sister and brother or mother and son! TOTALLY NOT COPING AND SEETHING” 😡

“Katara was touching Zuko’s scar because I… uh SHE totally wanted to make out with Zuko, not because she was checking his wound because she was thinking of healing him with a one-of-a-kind healing water. Look at this SEXUAL TENSION!!

“ZUKO RUNNING UP TO KATARA IS SO ROMANTIC”

“ZUKO LOOKING AT KATARA FOR THREE SECONDS IS SO ROMANTIC”

“ZUKO SAYING KATARA’S NAME IS SO ROMANTIC”

Also OP didn’t watch Hunchback and it shows

“See Zutara totally isn’t superficial. Besides Aang is 12 and he’ll ALWAYS be 12. Also 12 is ugly I guess”

-OP, probably

“SEE! This is the ONLY TIME Katara has ANY SUPPORT! Aang and Sokka didn’t care about her all they NEVER did ANYTHING for her. No, the guy who tried to attack, capture and harm her for months is the ONLY one who supported her”

Basically you can describe the entirety of OPs futile pathetic attempts to make Zutara seem legit with this

“The pitch bible said Aang and Katara have a sibling, babysitter relationship, Kataang is one-sided, Aang never supported Katara, Zutara is Tui and La, Zuko is more attractive and that means Zutara is the better ship, see! SEE!”

Anyway

Kataang >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Zutara

OP can Cope and Seethe

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“Zuko never violated Katara’s boundaries unlike Aang”

Zuko dick-sucking at its finest.

There was this one reblog on SokkaStyles response to my post (as shown here, along with my response to SokkaStyles).

And let me just say, that dumbassery in that reboot legit pissed me off. Why, you ask? Well take look.

I don’t know what to say. This is definitely in the running for the WORST Zutara stan take I’ve seen. These people seem to think crossing boundaries only seems to involve kissing people. My goodness these people are stupid.

“Zuko never continued to intentionally cross her boundaries after she expressed discomfort”

Buddy, Zuko had invaded Katara’s home, kidnapped her and tied her to a tree, used some animal to paralyze her, shot fire at her knocking her out. Even when saving Katara he didn’t know when to get TF off her.

“The closest moment of potential discomfort with Zuko's actions or words they have is in S1 with the pirates, where Katara is tied to the tree and Zuko tries to entice her into revealing where Aang is with her mother's necklace. He gets up in her personal space from behind, but quickly steps in front of her to address her once she refuses to give him the information she wants.”

The amount of Zuko dicksucking in this post is insane. My man is literally tying Katara to a tree and using a personal belonging against her, “getting in her personal space” as OP admits, but hey he stops when he realizes he can’t get any information out of her, what a good boy. 

“Even as enemies, Zuko had always respected Katara's boundaries and when she expressed a desire to not be in a situation near him any longer (being tied to a tree as an enemy notwithstanding).”

I LOATHE, this “even as enemies Zuko respected Katara” BS, NO he didn’t. As I said before, Zuko had invaded Katara’s home, kidnapped her and tied her to a tree, used some animal to paralyze her, shot fire at her knocking her out. How is any of this respectful. Y’all are delusional dumbasses. Also love how OP is going out of his way to make a kidnapping sound as pleasant and gentlemanly as possible, they must have Stockholm Syndrome or something. 

“(Zuko) steps away to give her space, which is more than Aang did in Ember Island Players”.

Zutara fanatics once again admitting they never actually watched the show.

I HATE having to defend Aang, because as I said before, him kissing Katara WAS wrong and I wish we saw them reconcile on-screen.

BUT…

When Aang kisses Katara, she backs away (he isn’t forcefully holding her or anything) she rightfully tells Aang “TF did I just say” and dips. Does Aang pursue her again, NO. Does he try to kiss her again, NO. Once Katara makes it clear that she didn’t like that, he GETS IT! He gives her space. Just like OP says Zuko did, only Aang isn’t the one grabbing Katara by the wrist and tying her up. 

I get kissing someone without consent is a touchy subject. But I can’t take Zutara losers whining about it seriously, because they’ll go above and beyond to make a kidnapping look respectful and romantic even, but will take a 12 year old giving a poorly timed kiss and act like he’s a “budding sex-criminal”, yes that’s an actual quote from the-badger-mole. 

Aang haters are morons.

Goodnight everybody.

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So sokkastyles found my post 🙄

Here it is BTW.

Get ready to hear a terrible from this MF.

Most of which are in quotation marks and italic font.

“projecting isn't a dirty word, it's a normal way to relate to fictional narrative”

Projecting themselves onto a character isn’t necessarily a bad thing. If one can relate to character or see themselves as a character, there’s nothing wrong with that. However that “forevermore” guy was projecting their own rather pathetic obsessive hatred of Aang onto Katara, which has absolutely no basis or validity. Namely because:

Katara loves Aang and a poorly timed kiss isn’t going to change that.

OP hates Aang because they’re a Zutara shipper, that’s all I need to say.

“we actually don't see Katara forgive Aang or even address the kiss in any way other than after she looks upset and angry and then runs out of the room. Audiences can ONLY project onto Katara because we don't actually get to see the resolution to that event from Katara's perspective. We assume she forgave him because she gets together with him in the end, but we aren't actually shown it”.

These brainless MFs really need the show spelled out as slowly as possibly for them. Yes, we don’t see Katara forgive Aang, but it’s clear that by the next episode they’re on good terms. And while I would’ve preferred showing Aang apologizing to Katara, the fact that we clearly see him feel remorse for his actions indicates he would’ve apologized. 

“it's actually quite common now for writers and producers to consult audience members, especially those who fit the demographic of a character, on whether that character's actions seem plausible.”

BULLSH!T

I’ve seen tons of shows and movies, old and new, a variety of genres and hardly ANY of them actively consult the audience with how THEY think a character should react. The audience can definitely impact a show and some choices that are made, but rarely do they consult members of the audience to consult how a character FEELS. The only one that comes to mind is Inside Out 2 because that movie hinges on the feelings of a teenage girl. It’s clear sokkastyles is just talking out of their arse.

“Katara's actions were written by male writers, so it's not up to them to give the final word on what a teenage girl would do upon being kissed without consent, it is up to female fans to decide whether that rings true”.

Ignoring the fact that Avatar had several female writers and directors, I can’t take this stupid statement seriously because:

Y’all only bring up the male writers when it comes to stuff you don’t like (ships).

The fans don’t own these character they have no objective say on how Katara feels, especially when they’re objectively wrong.

There are plenty of female fans who ship Kataang while acknowledging that Aang kissing Katara was wrong, but she wouldn’t HATE him for it.

“The fact that the writers didn't even bother to show us Katara's perspective further highlights the lack of a female perspective being considered here.”

We clearly see that Katara is understandably pissed off at Aang.

She isn’t traumatized or anything, but isn’t happy with what Aang did. Need Katara to spell it out for ya?

“ if Katara loves Aang, she'd feel a whole lot more than annoyed upon being kissed by him after expressing that she was confused and felt that it wasn't the right time. She'd feel incredibly betrayed, she'd feel like he didn't listen to her. She might even question her relationship with him further and start to back away from the feelings of love that she was already hesitant to express, because what Aang is showing her is that he doesn't actually care about how she feels and isn't going to be careful with her feelings if she were to truly give her heart to him.”

Okay, so ignoring the fact that NONE of this happened.

The fact that Aang and Katara are close friends to begin with and have been friends for a long time is likely a reason why this DIDN’T cause severe conflict, especially seeing as the two have occasionally had moments of conflict and disagreement before. But they both know that the other would never intentionally hurt them out of malicious intent and romance aside both are well aware that the other deeply cares for the other. 

Does any of this excuse what Aang did, NO! 

Shouldn’t we have seen an onscreen resolution, YES!

But this one moment of conflict isn’t enough to actively break apart Aang and Katara’s relationship, especially because Aang actually learned his lesson and didn’t continue to kiss Katara without her say. He backed off.

“The EIP kiss actually does A LOT of damage to Katara and Aang's relationship, and the fact that it's never actually addressed does even more damage.”

Again, as much I wish we had an onscreen resolution. This isn’t something exclusive to EIP. In the previous episode Katara makes a rather hurtful comment to Sokka about him “not loving their mom she like she did”. And I’m in no way one of those weirdos who will call Katara a hateful bitch or something stupid like that, she was definitely wrong for saying so and it clearly hurt Sokka. That scene didn’t have a resolution either, but it doesn’t mean Katara and Sokka were at odds for the rest of the show, or that Sokka never forgave Katara, or that their relationship was permanently damaged. 

The fact that Katara had just forgiven Zuko and was then walking to Sokka infers that the two were going to reconcile. Plus the two are on good terms in the next episode, so they put it behind them.

The fact that Aang clear felt remorse for his actions, acknowledges he was stupid and backs off infers that he learned don’t kiss people without consent (something carried over in the comics). Plus he and Katara are on good terms in the next episode, so they put it behind them, not everything has to be spoon-fed.

“The post also brought up that Zuko has done worse to Katara but she forgave him. The thing is that we actually SAW Zuko earn Katara's forgiveness. This is a relationship I can get behind because the show cares about it. The show cares that Zuko hurt Katara and cares about whether or not he gets her forgiveness. Zuko and Katara would not have had a relationship at all without that conflict and its resolution.”

The reason why it’s much more essential to see Zuko have to go out of his way to earn Katara’s forgiveness is BECAUSE Zuko did objectively worse things than say briefly kissing someone without their permission or making a harsh comment in a brief moment of anger. Most people can buy Katara and Sokka forgiving them (Aang and Katara respectively) because these were one off fairly minor instances, they were already close with each other and (as mentioned before) they were shown to be on better terms by the next episode, which meant they reconcile (albeit offscreen).

Zuko and Katara were always enemies, the former spent the first season raiding her village, capturing her and attacking her, they never saw each other as anything more than the embodiment of the evil within the Fire Nation and a peasant who was an obstacle in the way of his prize, the Avatar. After having a brief moment of peace and connection, Zuko betrays Katara and sides with Azula leading to Aang’s brief death (whom Katara had to heal for weeks). It’s makes much more sense for Zuko to have to earn Katara’s forgiveness because he constantly and consistently did things that were worse than a poorly timed kiss or a harsh comment and they were never even friends to begin with until Katara forgave Zuko.

In regards to my comment:

I only brought this up because by “forevermore’s” own admission, if Katara hated Aang purely for kissing her without consent (even though the show suggests otherwise) the she should also “realistically” hate Zuko because he did objectively worse things, I know in the show she forgave Zuko, but “realistically” if she didn’t forgive her friend for a kissing her without her say so, then she most definitely wouldn’t forgive a guy who constantly attacked her, captured her, raided her home and betrayed her. It doesn’t matter that she forgave Zuko, because “if a writer were to write Katara to hate Zuko it would be logical. It would be her full right to. He did many terrible things to her.

Again I don’t actually think Katara shouldn’t have forgiven Zuko, given how Zuko tried to make things right and genuinely came to understand and sympathize with Katara, it makes sense for Katara to forgive Zuko. I’m just pointing out that these guys have stupid logic. LOL.

“The show tells me that these two characters care about each other, and it does it without any sort of romantic drama AND without having the guy sexually assault her.”

So sokkastyles IS basically admitting they need things to be spelled out for them. Which is funny because the show CONSTANTLY spells out that Aang and Katara care about each other, before and after EIP. 

Oh and Aang didn’t “sexually assault” Katara.

Kissing someone without consent can be considered sexual-assault, but it depends on the context people. It’s typically in a sexual manner, usually holding them down against their will forcefully, often with a desire to control or dominate the other with NO regard for the victims feelings where they’re unable to escape.

Does THIS look like a sexual act, does THIS look like assault. This kid is twelve.

What Aang did was WRONG, he completely went against Katara’s boundaries, especially when she said now wasn’t the time. But this isn’t the same as sexually-assault. He ain’t holding Katara back, or trying to keep kissing her even after resisting, and none of this was done with malicious intent.

There is a huge difference between this

And THIS

By OP’s same dumbass logic

THIS is also sexual assault.

Granted Suki did make it abundantly that she liked Sokka and wanted to be a relationship with him (as opposed to Katara saying now want the right time), but by OP’s logic it’s still assault as he Sokka does so without permission.

You get how stupid this sounds. 

The fake outrage from Zutara shippers about Aang kissing Katara has nothing to do with morality or caring about Katara, it’s all a futile pathetic attempt to make their lame-ass ship look better than it is. Morons like sokkastyles while about a poorly timed kiss between two kids, but will ignore, downplay and romanticize a girl being grabbed, kidnapped and tied up because to quote sokkastyles “this kind of thing barely happens in real-like”.

These guys are dumb.

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No Zutara stans, Aang didn’t assault Katara

Sexually violating someone is a very serious offense and Aang didn’t violate Katara. You losers are so desperate to paint Aang in the worst light possible. He lightly touches her lips and she instantly backs away, yet you people treat him like he’s a r@pist just to justify some lame-ass non-canon ship. 

Aang kissing without her consent was bad, duh. Do I wish we saw him apologize to her, yes. However, Aang never “hurt” Katara. She was kinda pissed off at worst.

You people ignore that the first kiss between them was mutual, and Katara clearly returned it. 

Katara was annoyed when Aang kissed her in EIP, but she wasn’t furious or traumatized or anything, she was just rightfully annoyed and made the right decision to leave Aang to himself. 

Following this moment, Aang recognized that what he did was wrong, he never tries anything like that again, him and Katara are perfectly cordial with each other later on and he clearly learned from his mistake.

Say what you will about the comics overall, but I think this speaks for itself.

Additionally, how does Aang treat Katara badly when they’re married, I understand Aang didn’t spend as much time with his kids (barring Tenzin) and Katara was rather sideline in LOK, but there’s NO evidence to suggest Aang treated Katara like crap.

“Why couldn't (Katara hate Aang)? If a friend of mine were to kiss me without my consent, am I not allowed to hate him for what he did because he's nice? If a writer were to write Katara to hate Aang it would be logical. It would be her full right to.” 🙄

Okay, so ignoring that OP is blatantly trying to self-insert themselves into Katara and has no righting experience beyond maybe a crappy Wattpad fanfic or two. I can’t take this stupid argument seriously because OP is a Zutara stan.

By OP’s same dumbass logic, Katara should still hate Zuko and should’ve never forgiven him, seeing as he did objectively worse stuff to Katara than a poorly timed kiss.

If Zuko, raided Katara’s home, abducted her, used her belongings as leverage, assaulted her, betrayed her trust after Katara was going to heal him, and teamed up with Azula leading to the later killing Katara’s friend, is she not allowed to hate him because he does one nice things for her later on? If the writer’s were to write Katara to hate Zuko it would be logical. It would be her full right to.

But OP isn’t ready for this conversation.

DISCLAIMER

I DO think Katara choosing to forgive Zuko much later on is fine and makes sense relatively, after he attempts to support her and truly comes to understand her situation in TSR  I’m just pointing out that OP’s logic is stupid and hypocritical. 

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LOL! After much whining about the same thing. She blocked me, because she couldn't handle the fact that I was right and could only say the same tired false statements again and again. Pathetic.

Block me all you want, you've only lost the argument and proved you can't handle criticism. You whine about me being obsessed with this children's cartoon and I'll proudly admit that I am. But at least I'm not obsessed with trying to make a perfectly normal relationship look incestuous cuz I'm bitter about Bryke not making my Wattpad crackship canon.

If you just turned 15, then y'all should be studying girl, not crying on Tumblr about fictional ships.

Zutara shippers are truly braindead.

I really don’t know what more I can say here. I already talked about how Bryke saying Aang and Katara’s relationship was INITIALLY “like a kid crushing on a babysitter” was an INITIAL pitch bible idea that was scrapped in the final show as Katara clearly harbors feelings for Aang and views him as an equal (NOT someone to look after like a baby).

These Zutara fanatics are so desperate and pathetic that they take an out of context statement and information from people they don’t even like, and cling to this thinking it’s some checkmate, because they’re still bitter Bryke didn’t give into their middle school delusions and entitlement.

This loser in particular is jumping through hoops and reaching for the moon trying to make Aang and Katara’s relationship as problematic as possible claiming it to be “pseudo-incestuous” because “Katara viewed Aang as a little brother for most of the series” and “their dynamic had mother-son vibes”, both statements are objectively, factually incorrect. No matter how these clowns try to rationalize it. It just makes this idiot look stupider than they probably are.

Oh and of course all comments disabled. So they can remain in their safespace and no can point out their idiocy.

ZeeK freeks like these are something else, man. Not a single good take from these guys. Why can’t these fake fans go find another show to watch instead of whining for almost 20 years about their mid-ass ship not being canon.

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LOL

After much whining about the same thing. She blocked me, because she couldn't handle the fact that I was right and could only say the same tired false statements again and again. Pathetic.

Block me all you want, you've only lost the argument and proved you can't handle criticism. You whine about me being obsessed with this children's cartoon and I'll proudly admit that I am. But at least I'm not obsessed with trying to make a perfectly normal relationship look incestuous cuz I'm bitter about Bryke not making my Wattpad crackship canon.

If you just turned 15, then y'all should be studying girl, not crying on Tumblr about fictional ships.

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Sweetie all you’re saying is “nu-uh, I’m right, you’re wrong”. When all you’re doing is using out of context statements and scrapped ideas so that you can live in your pathetic delusion of being right.

“writing your little fanfics” honey, your ship is literally based on fanon, which is why you desperately try to twist canon. Again if you don’t like canon, watch another show.

I literally said nothing but facts, but of course your gonna dismiss what I said as nothing because your wanna live in your delusion.

Believe what you wanna believe, kid. I believe you believe that you’re right. 😁

Zutara shippers are truly braindead.

I really don’t know what more I can say here. I already talked about how Bryke saying Aang and Katara’s relationship was INITIALLY “like a kid crushing on a babysitter” was an INITIAL pitch bible idea that was scrapped in the final show as Katara clearly harbors feelings for Aang and views him as an equal (NOT someone to look after like a baby).

These Zutara fanatics are so desperate and pathetic that they take an out of context statement and information from people they don’t even like, and cling to this thinking it’s some checkmate, because they’re still bitter Bryke didn’t give into their middle school delusions and entitlement.

This loser in particular is jumping through hoops and reaching for the moon trying to make Aang and Katara’s relationship as problematic as possible claiming it to be “pseudo-incestuous” because “Katara viewed Aang as a little brother for most of the series” and “their dynamic had mother-son vibes”, both statements are objectively, factually incorrect. No matter how these clowns try to rationalize it. It just makes this idiot look stupider than they probably are.

Oh and of course all comments disabled. So they can remain in their safespace and no can point out their idiocy.

ZeeK freeks like these are something else, man. Not a single good take from these guys. Why can’t these fake fans go find another show to watch instead of whining for almost 20 years about their mid-ass ship not being canon.

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Girl, literally none of what you’re are saying is true. You’re literally just trying to make Kataang look as problematic as possible and then getting pissy that Kataang shippers call you out on your BS and don’t take your objectively wrong “babysitter fantasy” opinion as a fact which you falsely believe it to be.

Common Zutara L.

Cry about it.

Zutara shippers are truly braindead.

I really don’t know what more I can say here. I already talked about how Bryke saying Aang and Katara’s relationship was INITIALLY “like a kid crushing on a babysitter” was an INITIAL pitch bible idea that was scrapped in the final show as Katara clearly harbors feelings for Aang and views him as an equal (NOT someone to look after like a baby).

These Zutara fanatics are so desperate and pathetic that they take an out of context statement and information from people they don’t even like, and cling to this thinking it’s some checkmate, because they’re still bitter Bryke didn’t give into their middle school delusions and entitlement.

This loser in particular is jumping through hoops and reaching for the moon trying to make Aang and Katara’s relationship as problematic as possible claiming it to be “pseudo-incestuous” because “Katara viewed Aang as a little brother for most of the series” and “their dynamic had mother-son vibes”, both statements are objectively, factually incorrect. No matter how these clowns try to rationalize it. It just makes this idiot look stupider than they probably are.

Oh and of course all comments disabled. So they can remain in their safespace and no can point out their idiocy.

ZeeK freeks like these are something else, man. Not a single good take from these guys. Why can’t these fake fans go find another show to watch instead of whining for almost 20 years about their mid-ass ship not being canon.

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If you’re complaining about me getting me words mixed up, and saying “No U lack media-literacy” then you’re really grasping at straws and running out of things to say.

And to be honest, so am I.

IDK. IDC.

If you’re among a minority who find Kataang “pseudo-incestuous”, that’s on you buddy. As I said before, just watch another show, read a fanfic.

I hear The Dragon Prince is good.

Zutara shippers are truly braindead.

I really don’t know what more I can say here. I already talked about how Bryke saying Aang and Katara’s relationship was INITIALLY “like a kid crushing on a babysitter” was an INITIAL pitch bible idea that was scrapped in the final show as Katara clearly harbors feelings for Aang and views him as an equal (NOT someone to look after like a baby).

These Zutara fanatics are so desperate and pathetic that they take an out of context statement and information from people they don’t even like, and cling to this thinking it’s some checkmate, because they’re still bitter Bryke didn’t give into their middle school delusions and entitlement.

This loser in particular is jumping through hoops and reaching for the moon trying to make Aang and Katara’s relationship as problematic as possible claiming it to be “pseudo-incestuous” because “Katara viewed Aang as a little brother for most of the series” and “their dynamic had mother-son vibes”, both statements are objectively, factually incorrect. No matter how these clowns try to rationalize it. It just makes this idiot look stupider than they probably are.

Oh and of course all comments disabled. So they can remain in their safespace and no can point out their idiocy.

ZeeK freeks like these are something else, man. Not a single good take from these guys. Why can’t these fake fans go find another show to watch instead of whining for almost 20 years about their mid-ass ship not being canon.

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“even casual watchers who don't care for any of the ships will get mother-son vibes from kataang. katara played babysitter to aang and thought of him as a little brother but she was conflicted about seeing him as a love interest as he matured, which is why her feelings for him were presented as ambiguous for so much of the series”.

Honey you’re literally pulling this out of your ass, why cuz you’re a Zutara shipper bitter about your non-canon ship, desperately trying to justify your dislike for Kataang by claiming it’s incestuous, when anyone with even a shred of media-literacy knows that isn’t true.

As someone who’s seen multiple final story bibles, ideas, even late ones differ greatly in the final show.

I don’t know what else to say. If YOU personally find Kataang incestuous, that’s your problem, go find another show watch.

Zutara shippers are truly braindead.

I really don’t know what more I can say here. I already talked about how Bryke saying Aang and Katara’s relationship was INITIALLY “like a kid crushing on a babysitter” was an INITIAL pitch bible idea that was scrapped in the final show as Katara clearly harbors feelings for Aang and views him as an equal (NOT someone to look after like a baby).

These Zutara fanatics are so desperate and pathetic that they take an out of context statement and information from people they don’t even like, and cling to this thinking it’s some checkmate, because they’re still bitter Bryke didn’t give into their middle school delusions and entitlement.

This loser in particular is jumping through hoops and reaching for the moon trying to make Aang and Katara’s relationship as problematic as possible claiming it to be “pseudo-incestuous” because “Katara viewed Aang as a little brother for most of the series” and “their dynamic had mother-son vibes”, both statements are objectively, factually incorrect. No matter how these clowns try to rationalize it. It just makes this idiot look stupider than they probably are.

Oh and of course all comments disabled. So they can remain in their safespace and no can point out their idiocy.

ZeeK freeks like these are something else, man. Not a single good take from these guys. Why can’t these fake fans go find another show to watch instead of whining for almost 20 years about their mid-ass ship not being canon.

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😂 LOL. Did not expect you to see this post and less than an hour after I posted it too.

“You weirdos completely lose it when people point out the obvious” don’t make me laugh honey. Make objectively wrong bad faith criticism isn’t “pointing out the obvious”. Even if the information comes from a revised version of the pitch bible. Things change between the final pitch bible and the final show. Fact of the matter is, you’re just desperate to make Kataang look as problematic as possible.

You wanna hear my thoughts on Zucest Kataang shippers, they’re gross. Any incest ship is gross. It isn’t exclusive to Kataang shippers though. Loads of people have problematic ships. This ain’t the gotcha you think it is.

Zutara shippers are truly braindead.

I really don’t know what more I can say here. I already talked about how Bryke saying Aang and Katara’s relationship was INITIALLY “like a kid crushing on a babysitter” was an INITIAL pitch bible idea that was scrapped in the final show as Katara clearly harbors feelings for Aang and views him as an equal (NOT someone to look after like a baby).

These Zutara fanatics are so desperate and pathetic that they take an out of context statement and information from people they don’t even like, and cling to this thinking it’s some checkmate, because they’re still bitter Bryke didn’t give into their middle school delusions and entitlement.

This loser in particular is jumping through hoops and reaching for the moon trying to make Aang and Katara’s relationship as problematic as possible claiming it to be “pseudo-incestuous” because “Katara viewed Aang as a little brother for most of the series” and “their dynamic had mother-son vibes”, both statements are objectively, factually incorrect. No matter how these clowns try to rationalize it. It just makes this idiot look stupider than they probably are.

Oh and of course all comments disabled. So they can remain in their safespace and no can point out their idiocy.

ZeeK freeks like these are something else, man. Not a single good take from these guys. Why can’t these fake fans go find another show to watch instead of whining for almost 20 years about their mid-ass ship not being canon.

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Zutara shippers are truly braindead.

I really don’t know what more I can say here. I already talked about how Bryke saying Aang and Katara’s relationship was INITIALLY “like a kid crushing on a babysitter” was an INITIAL pitch bible idea that was scrapped in the final show as Katara clearly harbors feelings for Aang and views him as an equal (NOT someone to look after like a baby).

These Zutara fanatics are so desperate and pathetic that they take an out of context statement and information from people they don’t even like, and cling to this thinking it’s some checkmate, because they’re still bitter Bryke didn’t give into their middle school delusions and entitlement.

This loser in particular is jumping through hoops and reaching for the moon trying to make Aang and Katara’s relationship as problematic as possible claiming it to be “pseudo-incestuous” because “Katara viewed Aang as a little brother for most of the series” and “their dynamic had mother-son vibes”, both statements are objectively, factually incorrect. No matter how these clowns try to rationalize it. It just makes this idiot look stupider than they probably are.

Oh and of course all comments disabled. So they can remain in their safespace and no can point out their idiocy.

ZeeK freeks like these are something else, man. Not a single good take from these guys. Why can’t these fake fans go find another show to watch instead of whining for almost 20 years about their mid-ass ship not being canon.

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OMG! I could hug you! This is so beautifully said.

Literally EVERYTHING you said is true. It’s abundantly clear that the Anti-Kataang Zutara’s blatantly don’t understand the characters.

“Do you really think Katara would choose Aang over Zuko? If so why? Please explain” Is what someone asked me now I gave my thoughts but I like to hear yours.

Before I do, I gotta rant: I already have an issue with the very basic structure of that question zutarians constantly throw around. "Would Katara choose X over Zuko?" Zuko was never an option and it's weird that these people pretend he is somehow the default love interest, or at least the default alternative endgame, when he and Katara never demonstrated interest in each other AND I have yet to see a pro-zutara "argument" that isn't fully relying either on Zuko being hot or on a completely different version of the story in which everyone (and specially Aang) is wildly out of character to force him into that "default" role for Katara.

Seriously, I love that boy and he is MY type, but he is not Katara's, and it's time we stop indulging Zutarians on that nonsense. If they wanna question Kataang or any canon ship, that's fine, but we really need to remind them "Even if said ships didn't happen that would not mean Katara and Zuko would inevitably run to each other's arms, they are canonically not into each other, and someone disliking Maiko and Kataang does not mean they MUST like Zutara or at least consider it a better choice."

Now, fake love-triangle bullshit aside, here's why Katara falling in love with Aang and dating him always made sense to me, even back when I personally didn't care for the ship.

1 - Katara is a teenage girl and Aang is the effortlessly cool (and formerly mysterious) guy

As someone who was once a teenage girl, I am not at all surprised that Katara found herself immediately fascinated with Aang before she even knew he was the Avatar.

He is quite literally the first foreigner that ever came to her tribe AS FRIEND, belongs to a group of people that no one has seen in a whole century, has traveled around A LOT, has a rare animal that is very cute and can literally fly people around, makes friends literally EVERYWHERE he goes (again, even when people don't know who he is), and can hold his own in fight yet is not the type to just randomly start shit with people because he genuinely just wants everyone to get along.

Add in the Avatar bonus of "Goes on adventures and gets involved in spiritual shenanigans" and TELL ME you can't imagine a teenage girl that has never had any contact with the outside world fangirling over this boy. He was two seconds away from stealing Aladdin's move and singing "A Whole New World", I swear to God.

2 - He canonically brought fun back to her life

The first thing Aang ever says to Katara is ask her to go play with him. While they're penguin sliding, Katara says she hasn't done this since she was a kid - to which Aang says "You're still a kid!"

Katara, the character that has a whole complex about having had to grow up too fast and fearing she's too motherly for her friends to see her as an equal and that never had the chance to do anything except worrying about survival just heard someone validate her desire to just relax, play, be silly, be a CHILD. And he did it five minutes after meeting her.

And Aang doesn't bring joy back just for her - her entire tribe looks happier. This rocks her world so much that she uses that very argument as justification for Aang to not be banished, and when it fails she wants to go with him because SHE DOESN'T WANT HER ONE SOURCE OF JOY TO GO AWAY!

She feels that strongly about him that fast. To the point that even her brother teases her about Aang being her boyfriend because come on her potentially being into someone she cares about that much is not this unbelievable plot twist people pretend it is.

3 - He gave her back agency, hope and a way to fight back during wartimes

Aang is the reason Katara ever left her tribe and became a master waterbender. Hell, he offered to take her to the North Pole BEFORE there's any thought of him having a mission and needing to master all the elements - and even then he still says "We can learn it together."

Without that journey with Aang, Katara would have likely never left her tribe, become a master, and become a hero in her own right. Meeting Aang and having his resources (aka Appa and his credibility as the Avatar) gave her the means to travel around in a far safer way than if she had left on her own.

Katara's hope for the war to end is no longer just her wishing for the best, for someone else to save the day. Thanks to Aang, she is playing an active role in saving her own life, and everybody else's.

Aang is as central to character's arc as she was to his. She was his teacher and they were each other's suport system. If we take into account that, while Aang is the protagonist of the show, Katara is still the hero of her own story, we can see her meeting Aang and joining his group as the "Call To Adventure" point of her Hero's Journey.

It's not strange to develop feelings for someone that completely transformed your life.

4 - Aang corrects his behavior whenever he screws up

I'd say this one is the bit Zutarians ignore the most: while Aang is not perfect, he doesn't act out of malice and can recognize when he is wrong.

The first conflict between them happens in Warriors of Kyoshi, in which Aang is letting all the attention he's getting from being the Avatar get to his head, and he isn't really helping Katara with things and is being a bit arrogant. By the end of the episode he has apologized, and is never arrogant or unhelpful again (and is as bothered by Toph's poor behavior in Book 2 as Katara herself).

When he hides the map to their dad from her and Sokka, he feels ashamed of himself and tells them the truth, and accepts it when they decide to no longer travel with him because of it. He also leaves Katara alone when he realizes kissing her in Ember Island was a bad move.

When he realizes that distancing himself from her emotionally to cope with Appa's kidnaping has upset her, he has an honest talk with her about how she gives him hope and starts accepting her affection again. After his freak out and poorly thought attempt to go face Ozai in The Awakening, he apologizes to everyone for leaving, and accepts to hide his tattoos, grow his hair, and burn what is left his glider - all HUGE sacrifices for someone who is literally the last survivor of an entire culture.

He literally vows to never firebend again because using it recklessly led to him accidentally hurting Katara, and he only accepts to try it again when he finds himself a teacher that also wants to avoid that same mistake, and when he reconnects with the aspect of fire that brings LIFE instead of destruction and death.

When Katara comes back from her life-changing field trip, not having murdered her mother's killer but not forgiving him either, Aang doesn't argue, even though he believed forgiveness is fundamental in the healing process, because he could see that Katara's journey had done it's job and just drops the subject.

More impotantly: Aang takes his role as the Avatar VERY seriously and desperately tries to avoid failing in any aspect of it because he feels it's his duty and his direct responsibility not just for who he is but because he wasn't around when Sozin attacked - despite him having understandable reasons to do so and how he likely would not have been able to save everyone, or even himself, if he hadn't left. It was not his fault, yet he still burdens himself with that deep regret and guilt because that's just who he is a person.

Aang might not turn to the camera and say "I was bad, but now I'm good" like Zuko did, but he CONSTANTLY learns his lesson and adjusting his behavior to it, and Katara obviously took notice. Everyone makes mistakes, not everyone owns up to them.

5 - He has the safety and happiness of Katara (and those around her) among his priorities

After knowing Katara and her tribe for less than a day, he's already best friends with everyone, and offering to take her to the North so she can become a master. When he fucks up and is kicked out, he accepts it AND tells Katara to stay, even though she wants to leave in solidarity, because he knows it'd be cruel to make her abandon the only home she's ever known. When said home is about to be attacked, he comes back to rescue everyone and even lets himself be taken prisoner so they will be spared.

All of that happened in the first two episodes.

When Bumi is "threatening" Katara and Sokka's life, Aang spends half the episode snapping at him and demanding the he frees his friends - probably only didn't attack the old fucker immediately because the guards would step in and there could be retaliation. When Sokka is captured by Hei-Bai, Aang tries his best to save him and is crushed when he can't do it because HOW could he have failed to save someone that means so much to his friend and to himself?

In "The Fortune Teller" he makes her a new necklace to compensate for the one she lost, and then recovers said lost necklace during a fight because he knows it means a lot to her as it was once Kya's.

When Pakku refuses to teach her, Aang refuses to learn from him until Katara tells him to do it anyway, and then immediately agrees to teach her everything he has learned. When she is about to face Pakku in a duel, he first makes sure she knows she doesn't have to do it, but steps aside and cheers her on as she makes it clear she WANTS to teach the old fucker a lesson.

The thought of her being hurt or killed is what triggers the Avatar State at the start of season two. He sides with her when Toph is being unhelpful after joining the group. He rushes back to Ba Sing Se when he has a vision of her being in danger, and Katara runs to his arms IMMEDIATELY.

And even though that was the last thing he wanted to do, he still gave her up for a second there in Ba Sing Se - for the sake of possibly saving the whole world, Katara and her family very much included.

When she decides she wants to get revenge on the man that killed her mom, Aang is against it because he knows it will only traumatize her further, but still lets her go on the journey (borrowing Appa no less) once he realizes that (non-lethal) confrontation will indeed help her move on.

For fuck's sake, people, when Hama is controling him and Sokka to make them attack Katara, Aang, who is in quite a scary, potentially life-threatening situation, still feels the need to respond to Katara's "Sorry!" with an "It's okay!" He literally cannot control his own body anymore and his priority still is "Gotta make sure Katara knows I understand she doesn't want to hurt me, she just needs to defend herself."

Aang would do literally anything and everything for Katara. Even when faced with seemingly impossible choices, he ALWAYS goes for whatever outcome he genuinely believes will be best for her.

6 - Aang's moral code has a lot in common with Katara's and he feels as strongly about it as she does

Zutarians tend to focus solely on the few times in which Aang and Katara were not on the same page, and fully ignore that the reason the Gaang as a whole works so well as a team is that they agree on A LOT of stuff.

They all had episodes in which they refuse to do things they're being pressured to do so they can be true to themselves (the whole fuckery in Ba Sing Se, Katara refusing to turn her back on the earbenders in Imprisoned and the fishing village in The Painted Lady, Aang refusing to leave Zuko to die or take Ozai's life if it wasn't 100% necessary, etc)

Katara simply would never be friends with, let alone date, someone that she feels doesn't understand her morals and behaves in a way she deems to be unfair or cruel, which is why she immediately turns against Jet when she finds out about his plan to "free" a village - which is also why I completely reject any zutara headcanon/AU in which she's simping for Zuko before his redemption arc. It simply wouldn't happen.

Katara can understand Aang not wanting to kill someone, even someone who deserves it. She cannot understand Zuko helping his father commit literal genocide, nor should she.

7 - Aang feels strongly about things in general

Katara wears her heart on her sleeve. She's deeply in touch with her emotions, and we repeatedly see her get mad whenever someone mocks her for her rather intense reactions - be it her hope in miserable times, her anger at an injustice, her courage to fight back, her sorrow and pain when something tragic happens, and her sincere joy when she gets to do something as simple as goofing off with a friend.

That's why it makes no sense to me when people try to use things like Aang being VERY attached to his culture and wanting to uphold it's values, getting deeply emotional after seeing a burnt forest, going into the Avatar State because of Appa's kidnaping, and constantly trying to remind people that he is just a child and shouldn't have all of the responsibilities he's been given as "proof" of him being immature or labelling it all as temper trantrums.

There's a reason Katara is the one that always makes him feel better in these situations: she gets it. She understands what it is like to take things to heart, to need an outlet for intense emotions. She would never look down on Aang for it or see comforting him as "parenting" him because she is the exact same.

8 - That boy is resilient as fuck

Aang went through some shit in his lifetime. Unbelievable pressure, surviver's guilt, the loss of nearly everyone he loved, having to do in just a few months what previous Avatars had years to figure out, being caught between his own spiritual/emotional needs and what is best for the whole world, constantly being put in life-threatening situations, being hunted down for months, feeling like a failure each time he can't make the war end sooner, temporarely losing his animal guide, being killed in battle and having to let the whole world essentially lose hope by pretending to still be dead...

It's a lot. In his place, I would have gone back into that iceberg on the first damn episode. Yet somehow he keeps going. He gets back up and tries again. No matter how hard things get, he keeps fighting and he eventually wins.

How could Katara, the character is all about hope, NOT admire that? Especially when...

9 - He doesn't let his pain change him

Aang is a goofball. And contrary to what some annoying people in this fandom (not just zutarians) might say, that is not a problem. Especially not for Katara.

Aang went through some truly horrible things and nobody could blame him if he ever got depressed, was constantly panicking, or genuinely grew to resent the world after everything he was forced to endure.

Instead he is THE definition of a silly, happy, fun, caring guy. He jokes around with everyone and even laughs at himself. He gets into ridiculous situations constantly.

And he LOVES life. He loves his people and his culture, his friends, animals, nature, the new places he goes to, the old places he hadn't traveled to in a while, the memories of the world he knew, the good things about the world that exists now - he even loves the freaking Fire Nation.

Aang doesn't have a cynical bone in his body. He actively NEEDS to forgive people, no matter how much they've hurt him, to find closure. He doesn't even try to stop himself from befriending anything that breathes and has a pulse.

He went through some of the worst things anyone could go through, yet he is still an optimist, an idealist and a very kind soul - much like Katara herself. Again, it's no wonder he made her even more hopeful than she already was, which is saying a lot. He is constantly validating her belief that things can get better, and he does it effortlessly because that's just in his nature. He couldn't be any other way even if he tried.

10 - They trust each other

Katara had faith in Aang before they even met, and that faith only grows and grows the more time they spend together. At the start of every episode she reminds us that she fully believes Aang will save the world. In "Jet" she tells Sokka that Aang should be the leader of the group. She accepts Zuko into the group, even though she clearly doesn't want to, because she trusts Aang's instincts, and if they say that Zuko should be his teacher, that's what needs to happen.

And that trust is clearly mutual because Aang doesn't allow Zuko into the group until Katara gives him the green light to do so. She lets him borrow APPA to go on a mission in which she'll potentially murder a man, even though Aang is a pacifist, because he knows Katara is not a murderer. And, of course, she's his waterbending teacher because he genuinely thinks she's more than capable of being his master.

But what's probably THE biggest proof of trust between them is the consistent pattern of what happens when Aang is in the Avatar State: Katara doesn't let the shock of it get to her and reasons with Aang because she trusts that this is not what he wants to do, and that only works because Aang knows, even at his most irrational, that Katara has his well-being in mind and that she means every word she says to him - hell, even one look from her is enough.

Their connection is that deep.

11 - He goes out of his way to make her feel respected, cherished and appreciated

At first, Aang is better than Katara at waterbending. He still praises her ability and attributes his own success to her when he says things are being easier for him than for her because he's lucky to have a great teacher. He's hurt when she snaps at him, but forgives her immediately and then by the end of the episode refers to the two of them as a team, making it clear he views her as being on his level despite her initial struggle.

During her fight with Pakku, Aang is cheering her on. When she hears him calling Toph sifu and mentions that he never called her that, Aang then calls her sifu too and bows to her respectfully. He says she gives him hope in The Serpent's Pass, and calls her a hero in The Painted Lady.

The whole reason why he's so quick to accept all the attention from everyone in Kyoshi Island is because he's sad that Katara doesn't seem to be paying any attention to him - and when she's feeling the same in The Headband, he IMMEDIATELY asks her to dance with him because he wants her to know she's ALWAYS on his mind, and he will ALWAYS have time for her.

Aang adores her, and he makes sure Katara knows it.

12 - While he is often her number one suporter, he isn't afraid to speak his mind when he believes she's in the wrong

Someone who doesn't tell you when they think you're making a huge mistake is someone who doesn't care about you that much. Katara and Aang have their arguments, both small and big, but they're always honest, they both are willing to compromise, and once an issue it's resolved and it stays that way, without one holding it over the other.

I know this will be shocking to some people, but this is what healthy communication looks like. You SHOULD be able to tell your friend "This isn't you, you're not thinking clearly, you're going to regret this" because true support is very different from enablement or being a "yes man."

13 - They've survived simmilar things

They both struggled to deal with grief, were given adult responsibilities way too early because of the war, and carry the burden of being the last bender of their homes (or entire culture in Aang's case). Even Aang being forced to go into the Avatar State when he thought Katara was dead mirrors Katara bloodbending for the first time to stop Hama from making Sokka and Aang hurt each other.

It really is no wonder they became close friends so fast - trauma bond will do that.

14 - Aang is a force to be reckoned with

Aang is pretty fucking badass. Sure, that wouldn't matter half as much to Katara as literally everything else about him, but a bonus is always nice.

15 - They're each other's chosen family

This is a thing Zutarians constantly take out of context, mainly to act like Aang is just Katara's responsibility/burden, something she'd be better off without.

But Katara says it quite clearly in episode three: they're family.

She cannot stand the thought of Aang suffering, being isolated, getting hurt, getting killed. She loves him. He means the world to her, and she genuinely doesn't know how she'd deal with it if she were to ever lose him. And Aang makes it clear, over and over, that he feels just as strongly about her.

WHY is it so hard to believe that two people who feel that intensely about each other would end up together? It makes perfect sense.

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Bryke comparing Aang and Katara’s relationship to a younger brother/babysitter isn’t the “gotcha” ZKs think it is.

So Bryke the nickname of the A:TLA creators once talked about teen romance tropes, to paraphrase “younger boy likes older girl but said girl only sees boy as a younger brother or as themself as their babysitter”. This was coupled with an image of Aang and Katara. There was also an article saying that dynamic is Aang and Katara’s. ZKs seem to think this is a “gotcha”, that Katara canonically thinks of Aang as her younger brother whom she babysits.

HOWEVER!

This was specifically taken from A:TLA’s original pitch bible, which contains INTIAL ideas for a show, its characters and world. Many things in pitch bibles don’t make it into the final show, for example in the original pitch bible for SpongeBob SquarePants (originally SpongeBoy Ahoy!) Sandy Cheeks the squirrel was described as the apple of SpongeBoy’s eye and was suppose to be SpongeBoy’s love interest, but in the actual show the romance was dropped, there was some occasional ship-tease (especially in Sandy’s first two episodes), and tons of people ship the two, but SpongeBob and Sandy’s relationship is platonic.

With Aang and Katara, while Bryke may have originally intended for their relationship to be unrequited with Katara viewing Aang as a lil bro to babysit, this isn’t present at all in the show itself.

I’m gonna make a bold statement and say that Katara objectively DID have feelings for Aang. Even if they weren’t super obvious and spelled out like Aang’s feelings. The Cave of Two Lovers and The Headband are the most obvious examples but there are also other notable more subtler examples, for example, Katara is very physically affectionate towards Aang, something she doesn’t really display with anyone else. 

She has a lot of respect for Aang, she choses Aang over her tribe despite knowing him for one day, she defends him from that old fisherman, suggest he be the leader of the group, asks for his opinion on how she looks, she dismisses Sokka’s idea with finding the Earth King but quickly changes her tune when Aang suggests the same thing, she gets all embarrassed and flustered when Aang comments about her hair. Point being she clearly views Aang as an equal and her peer, not someone she begrudgingly has to babysit.

She herself even straight up says she loves Aang “for the people who love you, watching you be in that much rage and pain is really scary”. And she dismisses the notion that she views Aang as a brother in The Ember Island Players. If anything, actress Katara saying Aang is like a little brother was probably just a mythology gag based on the original pitch like Toph being a dude.

So, all-in-all, the babysitter Kataang comments really don’t mean anything, because they’re about an initial idea that was clearly scrapped in the show itself. Even if it is what inspired Kataang, who cares Aaron Ehasz agreed with a comment comparing Zuko and Katara to siblings and that she was foil to Azula (something I agree with). Bryke even made a joke saying “people who ship Zutara will have doomed relationships”. Given some of the weird takes from these people, I almost feel inclined to agree.

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I genuinely want to know what show the people who say that Aang never respected Katara are watching. "Aang never let Katara feel anything other than what he wanted her to feel" "He idealized her" "He didn't care about her feelings" "He didn't support her the way she supported him". WHERE ARE YOU GETTING THIS FROM??? That's a rhetorical question because I already know what episodes/moments they're using to make those assertions (The Southern Raiders and the kiss in Ember Island Players), and even then, THEY'RE WRONG.

Let's start with TSR. This episode gets so misinterpreted it's not even funny. First off, Aang was never even upset with Katara in this episode, he's just warning her against killing someone??? He never gets mad at her or berates her. He just talks to her with a level head??? He openly acknowledges that he knows and understands how much rage and pain Katara is in, and he never tells her that she shouldn't feel it, he just advises her not to act rashly because of it??? Where is the lack of respect? Where is he ignoring her feelings or getting upset with her for not acting the way he wants her to? He lets her take Appa and even tells her that he understands that this is a journey she needs to take and supports her doing so, he just doesn't want her to kill someone. Honestly Aang shows more respect for Katara by knowing who she is as a person and not enabling her in her revenge than Zuko who is only going on this trip with her so that she'll forgive him, not because he actually cares that she's upset over the death of her mother (and this is not Zuko slander before people take it as such, I love Zuko, but it's not even subtext that his motivations in this episode are selfish and not about Katara).

As for the kiss in EIP, yes, it was not okay. Yes, it was a mistake. Yes, he shouldn't have done it after Katara laid a clear boundary, but he recognizes that immediately. After Katara- rightfully- gets upset with him, he gets upset with himself. We also see that he never repeats that mistake again and is fully okay with letting Katara lead after that. Which is why it's Katara who initiates the final kiss on the balcony. And if you still don't think he learned anything from it, he starts to ask for her consent in the comics before kissing her, showing that he absolutely DID grow from that mistake. So, we're really going to let one moment where a 12-year-old boy made a mistake dictate the entire show and negate everything that came before it??? That's coocoo banana's behavior.

I also think that those assertions are completely baseless because when does Aang idealize Katara? When does he hate her rage? When does he not support her? Is it when he laughed with her after she stole from pirates? Or in that same episode where he constantly reaffirms her skills as a waterbender- first by saying that he's able to pick it up so easily because she's a great teacher and then later when he refers to her as a waterbender which makes her so fucking happy? Is it when he gets so upset that Pakku refuses to teach Katara how to waterbend that he tries to walk away from his own waterbending training? Is it when he goes behind Pakku's back to teach her anyway? Or when he stands by actively cheering her on when she's raging against the patriarchy and fights Pakku? Is it when he calls her Sifu Katara because she expressed that he referred to Toph that way but not her? Is it when he helped her commit ecoterrorism and told her she was a hero for helping the people in that Fire Nation village? Is it when he holds her after she breaks down because she learned how to bloodbend? Is it when he comforts her after Jet's death? Is it... you get the point, don't you?

Aang recognizing Katara as someone who is strong and capable is not him idealizing her. Him not enabling her committing murder is not him hating when she feels rage. Aang actively supports Katara's rage on multiple occasions, he just doesn't enable her when he knows she's acting out of character. If you don't ship Kataang, that's fine, but please don't make up baseless accusations to try and tear them down just because you're mad that a ship that had no basis in canon (potential is not evidence) wasn't canon.