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[cadaverer]

Thank you for the super succinct post I hope it might actually do something for people who are still on the fence because it's so powerful and well-worded and just. It doesn't hold back any punches! That's what these people do to transmascs!!

ty, i honestly didn't expect to get nearly this many notes, and i kind of wish it hadn't bc now there's people calling me slurs in my inbox. i hope it does reach undecided people bc if it convinces even one person then it will be worth it.

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""terms transfems coin are dangerous and evil (tme/tma)" how is that any different to "terms transmascs coin are dangerous and evil (transandrophobia)"" what does that have to do with the price of fish in china lmao. its okay to say stupid shit cuz other people say shit you think is stupid? thats moronic and you realize that right

'terms transfems coin are dangerous and evil (tme/tma)' was given as an example of transmisogyny in the transandrophobia tag. following this logic, calling terms transmascs come up with "evil and dangerous" must be transandrophobic.*

*to be clear it *is* transmisogynistic to not believe in transmisogyny and vice versa for transandrophobia. tme/tma is a seperate thing with entirely valid criticism. this is about the argument, not the words themselves.

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you know the objection to "transandrophobia" is not about transmisogyny when you see how overwhelmingly transmisogynistic people are comfortable being towards trans women who say trans men should be able to talk about their own problems. i follow plenty and you would not believe what they get subjected to, for the crime of solidarity with other trans people. all the shit that people would (correctly) riot over in other contexts is suddenly praxis when the target is a trans woman who cares about having an actual trans community with people who look after each other. it is repulsive.

yeah i have seen some unbelievably cruel things said towards transfems from people who are apparently all about liberating and protecting transfems. it's disgusting.

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thats funny because ive been lurking bith in the transandrophobia and transmisogyny tags. and 90% of the super popular posts about transandrophobia are stuff like "transmascs don't have male privilege over transfems", "terms transfems coin are dangerous and evil (tme/tma)", normalization of hatred against transfems and using slurs against them by manufacturing consent ("baeddels"), bioessentialism and terfism like calling transfems privileged over "afabs" for anatomy, and other obviously anti feminist transmisogynistic nonsense.

it's just that you are also an anti feminist transmisogynist so of course you agree with them.

transmasc male privilege is situational, we've been over this

"terms transfems coin are dangerous and evil (tme/tma)" how is that any different to "terms transmascs coin are dangerous and evil (transandrophobia)"

i haven't seen the word baeddels used as a slur recently, but i have seen people speaking out against it

"calling transfems privileged over "afabs" for anatomy" again i have literally never seen this. you are going to have to show me some sort of proof

"90%" is a number you just made up lol. currently most of the top posts in that tag don't even mention transfems

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don't bother with fite, he gets off on being irritating. he turns up in the notes of trans men's posts with his trademark piss-on-the-poor reading comprehension then accuses them of being transmisogynist.

yeah its becoming increasingly clear to me that he didn't even read my post

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i've been lurking in the transandrophobia tag for a few months now and i still don't get why people hate that term. so far from what i've gathered the arguments against it are all narrow-minded, ignorant or balancing on very specific double standards:

-a refusal to acknowledge the effect that being socially perceived as both a woman and a "freak" has had on transmascs

-a general blindness to the lives of trans men in the global south

-refusing to take things like fgm, honour killings or forced pregnancy seriously

-choosing to listen to cis people over trans men

-a general weirdness around intersex people - i first started paying attention to transandrophobia when i noticed that a lot of the red blogs on shinigami eyes seemed to be people who were just intersex.

-two slightly confused camps, people who claim trans men cannot experience misogyny and people who claim that trans men "just" experience misogyny (therefore the term "transandrophobia" isn't needed)

-people who for some reason think its a good idea to associate trans men with sexual assault <- as if trans men aren't already seen as sexually perverse by the general public

-posts that for some reason exclude trans men even though trans men are affected by whatever is being mentioned, eg. i saw a post about jkr that only mentioned trans women when jkr hates all trans people and the thesis of her original shit essay was the "epidemic" of "girls" seeking to transition

-similarly to above, a common argument against transandrophobia is "well [x] doesn't just affect trans men," but i constantly see things labeled as "transmisogyny" even though they affect pretty much every trans person (jkr's antics, being considered a sexual predator, various anti-trans laws).

-"joke" posts that boil down to "we should kill all transmascs" - i haven't ever seen a "joke" post from the """transandrobros""" even remotely close to this

-"transandrophobia truthers" simultaneously being called MRAs and TERFs

-constant lies about the transandrophobia tag. from what i've seen any transmisogyny gets shut down very quickly but all anti-transandrophobia posts say its rampant with transmisogyny which is just. not true unless you believe the term "transandrophobia" is inherently transmisogynistic, in which case thats just a circular argument.

-transandrophobia is "stealing" language from transfems - this is just how language works.

-"you're misgendering yourselves" and other stupid "gotchas"

-"theyfab" "tboy" "tme" and other ways of quietly dehumanising/infantilising transmascs

-ragebait