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andy lost his wife down to katie largely, reason she was there is because her obsession, he then moved on robert's ex wife and cheated on her, robert lost everything to andy, his mum, jack, his home/place in his own family and didn't get see victoria for years. andy had that home and family down to robert, i think andy owes robert far more. but andy still acted like he was owed something etc. when reason andy was in position he was down to his own actions and sniff round rob ex wife while acting superior.

I don’t think it’s who’s worse, they’ve both hurt each other in the past they both owe each other. They’ve both lost things because of each other, but in the end untimely they both buried that and chose to forgive each other (finally)

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so true there no way it be revealed. so i think maybe visiting or trolling lol

Someone said something was being filmed at the village tour yesterday so maybe it’s that? Idk Adam does Waterloo Road, a podcast with his brothers and seems to be busy doing a lot of work with them right now so I don’t know how a return could fit into it. Adam’s a massive wind up also, I think if he was returning I don’t think they’d let Adam reveal it like that I think they’d want an official announcement or a secret return!

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apparently adam is back

I’ve just seen the post and I’m hoping he’s just visiting honestly because I don’t know how they could bring him back unless Moira goes down. Unless it’s secret meetings with Aaron or his family, maybe even Vic!!!! Would they reveal Adam’s return like that though? Idk I think they’d maybe either officially confirm it themselves or keep it hidden like they did with Aaron’s till it airs… Mind you Aaron came back years ago when Adam went off the rails after finding out James was his Dad, and I can imagine Aaron will this time after the John reveal so maybe their doing a parallel to that 🫠

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Aaron not even been involved in John and Robert stuff last few days, it does feel Aaron a side piece in things. I mean surely Aaron had some reaction.

I think it’s being done on purpose, I think having him absent for as long as possible will bring better scenes. Who knows if he even knows about the spiking? He might not, I doubt John would want to give him a reason to worry about Robert. But I do think Aaron being absent is intential for Robert’s storyline, I think it’s just building him with his struggles before Aaron can really see something isn’t right and be there for him. It wouldn’t surprise me if it all happens before Tracy and Cain get suspicious, so John has to deal with it all at once and make him go crazy!!

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Andy was still acting like he was owed something and never apologised to Robert etc. gross Robert felt he owed Andy after everything as well. so, I am not convinced.

I mean tbf Robert was the reason he didn’t have a wife anymore 🤣🤣🤣 In my eyes I think they both owed each other, they’ve both hurt each other a lot in the past they’ve both done things they shouldn’t of. But in the end I think they both knew that, they parted on good terms which I think was good for Robert mainly it’s like a massive part of his past finally being dead and buried.

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agree that john’s robert obsession is almost certainly about jack, which i find sooo interesting because we know (but john doesn’t!) that robert had an extremely difficult relationship with him. actual discussion of the robert and jack relationship esp. how abusive jack was towards him has been my white whale for years on end so i am trying not to get my hopes up but maybe this is how we finally get it? it just fascinates me to think about how john likely resents robert for having had a relationship with this father that john never knew while being totally unaware how complicted that relationship was. really delicious stuff + i hope they execute it well 🤞

It’s the only thing that makes sense, because it’s been proven they didn’t know each other when they met at the wedding and John has said a bad word about him from day one even before him and Aaron got together properly so it’s nothing to do with him clearly. People are aware him and Jack didn’t get on, people know they never got a chance to make up but going by that prison visit John hasn’t been informed about that. And then obviously Aaron only knows about Jack knowing about Robert liking men and his reaction, ever since that scene in ssw 2016 people have always wanted that revisited and his family finding out so maybe this is a good chance for it to come out and I really hope it does. I think everyone deserves to know why Robert was hiding for so long, and why he was the way he was for years.

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oh yeah in Andy eyes it wasn't fighting over Jack as in his eyes he was the more worthy son and Robert was nothing (he horrible to Robert but people only see how Robert began treating andy back) the fact andy had that family and home mainly down to meeting robert makes him extra shitty imo. I never like the guy.

though he killed most of his adoptive family etc yeah he was the good son etc and robert was bad for being resentment like boggles the mind. not to mention andy felt like he was the victim in all this as well and deserved special treatment still takes the cake. andy is as bad as john imo when comes making my blood boil with there hypocrisy and entitlement etc towards robert.

Andy got better though, in the end him and Robert made peace which was good and I think even Andy could see in the end why Robert was the way he was. He even said himself how better he was when he was with Aaron, I don’t think Andy’s as bad as John he’s nowhere near on that level, both Robert and Andy did things to each other and hurt each other a lot so it wasn’t just a one way street with them. Where as John has never been given reason to hate Robert until the wedding and still did.

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actually andy had, when got married, katie one seemed more pissed with robert, andy just wanted katie to leave her alone., she might been right about rob having an affair but it was none of her business. if andy not made peace with it why would he marry katie as she equally blame for the affair and not just robert. i don't think andy had problem with robert and he could tell robert was indifferent to katie so her obsession annoyed him. katie claimed want bury the past for her to makes digs at him and try and set out to ruin his life constantly (even before the ring incident) so makes her hypocritical. i think robert behaviour stemmed from everyone judging him and people acting like saints who never did anything wrong. even the whole fued with andy can argue it stemmed from andy's actions and treatment after he helped andy and then he totally pushed out of his own fmaily and home by andy/jack etc like

Katie saw things no one else did, I agree she was definitely a bit obsessed and she got too involved when she shouldn’t have but everyone was in such good places and then he just rocked up out of nowhere with no warning.

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I do wonder that if John obsession with Aaron is about Robert, kind similar to Robert obsession with Katie being about Andy.

People saying they can redeem John, like I dunno as his a new Sugden, I mean Rob and Andy did bad things but they had history there etc. I mean even Andy beating up Jo, Jo wasn't exactly liked or cared about, is likely why people got over that. Katie, even her links were weak though she was a long standing character. I can't see the dingles not wanting to run John out of town when find out the truth and they would never forgive him surely? I don't think Aaron touch him with a barge pole and would eventually run off with Robert anyway. and Vic surely want nothing to do with him? John just not have the history etc like andy/rob to keep him on the show? maybe it make people get off thehigh horses towards robert??? but probably not really.

John won’t be redeemed, he’s not just killed someone but he’s killed a Dingle’s son they’d never be able to forgive that, then there’s also all the other stuff he’d done. If I’m not mistaken Danny even confirmed in an interview a while back they’d be saying bye to Oliver at some point.

I do think he has an obsession with Robert. He’s hated him since day one, Robert wasn’t wrong he has got everything Robert had and it’s weird because if you hate your brother so much why would you want everything they had? But I think it all stems down to Jack I’ll be honest. Robert had a Dad, he didn’t and he probably hates him for it. Jack may have known about him and chose not to be his Dad, but even again he might not but John might think he did and chose to be a Dad to Robert but not him.

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Robert probably accepted the baby is separate from who his father is/what he did.

Yes I just expected it to be a huge deal because they focused a lot on how he felt about Vic having him when she was pregnant. But I’m also kinda glad they haven’t because seeing how their both naturally comfortable around each other despite not knowing each other is so sweet 🥹🥹🥹

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why would Katie think Robert would wreck what they had??? how could he tbh? he literally wasn't even bothered about her. she one spent most her time obsessing over him and slagging him off, like she was not much to blame for the affair as him, as Katie and Andy marriage ultimately ended when Andy went off with Jo, Robert was one factor in it. the factor mainly in it that she was bored of Andy. in fact she one ruined her marriage by obsessing over Robert when he was mainly indifferent around her and drove Andy away who just wanted to be left in peace.

Because he’s Robert, back then he loved wrecking peoples lives and hurting people and no one can deny that, him and Andy still hadn’t made peace of the whole Katie situation from years before and Robert was literally sent away and told not to come back by his own Dad so when he suddenly turns up with no warning I’d be worried to 🥲. Katie did ruin her own marriage in the end by being obsessed, but in the end she proved she was right to everyone because everything she said was true.

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I actually thought Robert they’d make such a big deal out of Robert meeting Harry for the first time and being around him considering he didn’t want him to be born and was terrified of looking at him and seeing Lee, but the way he’s just slotted in his life, taking care of him and Harry seems so relaxed around him is so sweet 😭

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Aaron’s out there working or doing whatever and then you’ve got his husband his ex having awkward dinner dates and playing chess 😭😭😭😭 how are you ever meant to take these two serious being civil is one thing but the chess game has sent me 💀

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Robert’s niece is in hospital fighting cancer a third time, had to undergo an emergency hysterectomy and he’s sat there playing chess with someone he can’t even stand 💀😭 that man is too much

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Vic also got a dad, andy who not even his flesh and blood got a dad so his resentment is odd. esp as Robert actually was sent away by Jack in the end anyway as well and not like Jack ever really interested in him or fought for him and always chose Andy. idk why Jack would not want be a dad to John tbh? I mean didn't he make big deal when found out Jackie was his??? but then again he did not care much for robert/his flesh and blood when come to andy/daz as someone on reddit even said he put his real kids last over the strays, maybe was overcompensating as andy and daz were unwanted kids and felt had save them but then made his real kids feel unwanted esp after andy also caused there mothers death. idk why his real kids actually seem come last to the kids he took in, though he actually saw andy as troublemaker at first like son kind weird he swtiched his affections to andy and treated robert like he bad guy etc smh

John probably doesn’t even know anything about Robert’s relationship with Jack, going by that prison visit. We don’t know if Jack knew about John, maybe he did and chose not to because he didn’t want to risk hurting people over it? He had to deal with Robert and Andy not getting on, he probably didn’t want to add another one in the mix to cause even more fighting. Or maybe he didn’t know but John thinks he did and just chose not to be part of his life? Maybe it will all come out soon when we find out why he hates Robert so much. Idk the only one who could give answers mainly is Jack, were only ever going to get John’s side and we’ve seen him so it’s not as if we’d know if he’s telling the truth or not.

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I am sure Aaron loves Robert more than John

but who think Katie loved more Andy or Robert? as she did choose Robert over Andy in end and the actress said back in 2007/8 that Katie loved Robert more than Andy, towards the end I am sure but newly wed seemed oddly obsessed with the man wreaked her last marriage with.

There’s literally no doubt about it, Aaron will never love any man the way he loves Robert he’s been through things with him he won’t go through with anyone else, and that’s something someone could never take away from them.

I mean tbf Robert had a habit of wrecking peoples lives, we’ve all seen it maybe she just didn’t want him ruining what her and Andy had, it’s not as if he was a changed man when he came back. It was only 2016 we got to see a real huge change and different side to him properly.

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It kind weird he resents Robert most as argue Andy was the son he wanted and wasn't even his flesh and blood, Vic was also a child he wanted, if he knew Robert past surely he know he was disowned by Jack and never really seemed bothered about never seeing Robert again really and chose andy when come down to it. so why would see him as the son he wanted and maybe actually see Robert probably almost as unwanted as him.

Going by what we’ve seen I’m gonna take a guess and actually say John doesn’t know Jack disowned Robert, he only knows the ins and outs of his relationship with Aaron and why he went to prison. When Robert was talking about Jack during that visit I’m sure if John knew he would have brought it up, and then there’s also the matter of no one but Aaron knowing about the homophobia too.