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I’ve seen headcannons for lyanna and Roberts relationship and how it would go from hostile to abusive, and I’ve read meta on Cersei and Robert and the abuse. But I’m really interested in how Robert Baratheon and Margery Tyrell’s relationship would’ve gone if the incest was revealed? She was taught well how to say the things and portray the image of a lady that Robert had Enforced on lyanna’s memory. She’d have renly’s and loras support and protection. But wouldn’t it go bad? If/When would it?

I don't think Robert would have descended into violence with Lyanna but I think the marriage would have been strained since Lyanna didn't love him. Robert's violence against Cersei is born out of his excessive drinking which got worse after Lyanna died and his hatred for the situation he's in. It is inexcusable.

As for a Margaery-Robert marriage, I do see Margaery being able to handle Robert but the marriage would not have been good. While Margaery would have been a novelty at first, Robert is still a violent drunk and he would have abused her like Cersei - and since this is post-Incest Reveal, she would be under extreme pressure to get pregnant and produce as many heirs as possible.

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If like Cersei planned and she managed to get rid of renly and stannis before she killed Robert (I assume after joffrey became 16) how do you think Robert and Jon would react that in four years healthy stannis and healthy renly died of ‘illness’ or accidents?  And then I suppose tommen getting made lord of stormsend. Then when Joffrey is king and Robert dies in hunting, what could Jon arryn do with the incest investigation? There’s no other Baratheon but Shireen. Would it be her or king Edric?

I think it would have been easy to get rid of both Stannis and Renly. Renly was living a lush, lavish life so a death linked to drinking or partying would have been a shock but believable. I see Stannis's ship going down in a storm or sinking like the White Ship. As for Jon Arryn, I think he would have gone to Ned and explained the situation but I doubt either would have backed Shireen on her own, they would have married her to another claimant which at a stretch could be Edric but I highly doubt it or somebody with a claim to the Iron Throne.

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what do you think the hound thought of Ned sending people to kill Gregor and calling Gregor a false knight? Littlefinger said cersei told the hound, how’d he react? also do you have a character you’re not that interesting in analysing and one you love to?

I think Sandor isn't as hard as he makes out to be and to hear that a band of knights were going to take down his brother might have made him feel relief but also dread because he fucking knows what Gregor is capable of.

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why wasn’t there any concern about maergery being pregnant by renly after renly a death? By the reachermen and stormlanders, and by Tywin and the Lannisters at court?

Not that is mentioned, it is sort of stated once or twice that Renly is gay and very likely didn't bed Margaery. Besides, the Lannisters weren't really in a place to question Margaery's virginity.

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what’s the point of JonCons povs if we have arriane for Faegon, and had Tyrion for the boat and sussing out illyio and aegon? Will we find anything out or see anything major with him?

I think it's a way to portray what's going on on fAegons side of things but also it's a great depiction of blind loyalty.

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what kingdom reminds you of Ireland?

The Iron Islands definitely remind me of the West of Ireland.

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Ned calls the court an "infestation of Lannisters" and notes their "appetite for offices and honors seemed to know no bounds" (AGOT Eddard VIl) Is it though? Doesn’t is fall under what a queen would usually get or do? Am I wrong in thinking not much of it is cersei or Tywins dominance? 

Pycelle you can’t help because he’s a maester. Cersei is queen by their choice. Lancel and tyrek Lannister are the kings only squires so they’re there night and day and in all conversations he’s in. She has her own guard who also gaurds the kings hier so it’s cerseis voice that matters there and any info with him will go straight to cersei. Jaime on kings guard is areys doing, but cersei got a couple of appointments on the kings kings guard. 

She has 100-strong Lannister gaurds called red cloaks that are housed in the city. Led by Vylarr.

But there’s no Lannister on the council making the big decisions. No Tywin at court. Robert isn’t friends with any. Jon Arryn isn’t squiring any and he makes the big decisions. And controlling the kids and making them Lannister kinda falls under being queen and is what any other house would do. They don’t have influence over policy or the kings allies.

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Do you think that if Rhaena, after Maegor's death, crowned Aerea Targaryen and became Regent, that Rogar Baratheon would crown Jaehaerys in Storm's End and go to war against them?

I am completely sure Rogar would do it, but I am not sure young Jaehaerys would fight against her sister (older Jaehaerys, without a doubt, would)

I don't think there would be a war mainly because I often think Jaehaerys assumed Rhaena would be Queen and that when he was put forward as King it was a surprise which is why he doubled down so hard on a male only succession system later on in life.

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How do you think these houses/fathers would deal with a daughter who was a genius? Which would foster her intellect out pride or ambition or honest interest, and who would ignore ir?

House Frey, Roose Bolton, Petyr Baelish, Tanda Stokeworth, Selwyn Tarth, Matthis Rowan?

Walder Frey would probably tell her to shut up and make a marriage for her. Roose Bolton probably wouldn't care and still insist on a marriage for her future. Littlefinger would probably be amused and still use her for his own aims. Lady Stokeworth would probably be happy but probably would do anything about it. Matthis, I do like him but I feel like while he might be proud he wouldn't do much about it. Selwyn Tarth? That girl is being trained by every Maester on the island

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Ned calls the court an "infestation of Lannisters" and notes their "appetite for offices and honors seemed to know no bounds" (AGOT Eddard VIl) Is it though? Doesn’t is fall under what a queen would usually get or do? Am I wrong in thinking not much of it is cersei or Tywins dominance? 

Pycelle you can’t help because he’s a maester. Cersei is queen by their choice. Lancel and tyrek Lannister are the kings only squires so they’re there night and day and in all conversations he’s in. She has her own guard who also gaurds the kings hier so it’s cerseis voice that matters there and any info with him will go straight to cersei. Jaime on kings guard is areys doing, but cersei got a couple of appointments on the kings kings guard. 

She has 100-strong Lannister gaurds called red cloaks that are housed in the city. Led by Vylarr.

But there’s no Lannister on the council making the big decisions. No Tywin at court. Robert isn’t friends with any. Jon Arryn isn’t squiring any and he makes the big decisions. And controlling the kids and making them Lannister kinda falls under being queen and is what any other house would do.

Ned is right and so are you. You're right when you say the Queen would have every right to bestow offices on her family but Cersei snaps up a lot of positions like having Lancel and Tyrek as Robert's squires that could go to the sons of other lords to forge alliances etc. But this is Robert's doing as well because he doesn't care about these intricacies and let's it happen

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Cateyln about Brandon stark to Jaime -“He was on his way to Riverrun when."Strange, how telling it still made her throat grow tight, after all these years. when he heard about Lyanna, and went to King's Landing instead. It was a rash thing to do." She remembered how her own father had raged when the news had been brought to Riverrun. The gallant fool, was What he called Brandon.”

Why did hoster rage after hearing Brandon left for KL instead of going to Riverrun? Did hoster expect for Brandon to not do anything or did he think lyanna went willingly or that Brandon should’ve gone with an army (even though he didn’t want to use Tully swords until the Arryn and stark double match)? 

It wasn't about Brandon going but it was about the ramifications of him going. Of course Brandon has every right to go to KL and bring his case to the Iron Throne - but Brandon is Brandon. Hoster knew the kid was hotheaded and impulsive, I mean he rode south with like five guys, angry and not thinking straight. Hoster was pissed because he was probably aware of this and the fact that Aerys was mad af. Why is he mad? Brandon is going to get himself killed or at very least get on the bad side of the Crown - and he's about to become Hoster's son in law and the protector of his favourite daughter. I'd be pissed too.

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Who has more authority: The Hand of the King or the Queen? Like could ned have replaced the Lannister gaurds cersei had on the door of darry that replaced the kings? If cersei issued a command to the KG without the presence of Robert but Jon Arryn or Ned issued a different one (like cersei said to kill someone and the hand said not) who’d the KG obey? How had the word of law in terms of control and orders after Robert with cersei and ned ignoring biased northmen and westermen?

The Hand has a lot of power but Ned would not have been able to replace Cersei's guards without explanation. The Queen is the wife of the King so the Kingsguard would obey her first.

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Could a lord disinherit his son and heir if he did not marry in the same way Rohanne Webber’s father did with her?

And how easy can a son or a daughter be disinherited? And if a father disinherited his son/daughter could they appeal to a court?

In Westeros, it seems to be possible. The lord could go to the King in private and explain his reasoning. However, the lord is better off doing what Lord Tarly did, and having his son go into the Faith, go to the Wall or the Citadel.

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How long do you think it takes to go through the kings wood?

In good weather, maybe 3-4 days. Longer in bad weather.

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did Pycelle sexually assaulted Sansa in AGOT? I tried to see an answer but all I got is he was probably performing a virginity test sanctioned by cersei like she wanted to do maergery. But it really seems like he did?

I don't think he was checking for that, there wasn't a need for it. Pycelle did put his hands on Sansa without her consent for an examination but I don't think he went further than that.

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I don’t understand how stannis could have Robert Arryn as his ward if stannis is always in KL where Jon Arryn and Lysa are. I get to get him away from cersei before incest reveal but Jon also states about making him stronger and away from Lysa who breast feeds and babies him. So isn’t it just going to be seylse and shireen with him instead or is Robert Arryn going to be more of a page or squire for stannis with Jon and Lysa nearby?

Stannis did live at King's Landing most of the time but he did have his own household and his own retinue, where Sweetrobin would have learned skills and learned more independence and Stannis would have taken him to Dragonstone when he went there. It was mainly to get him away from Lysa's influence than Cersei and to be honest, it would have done Sweetrobin some good.

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When Tywin took Kings Landing his army looted and terrorized the entire city. Why was there no pushback for this from the other lords once the rebellion was over? Like I understand Robert marrying Cersei was the best move. Taking the city to show your allegiance is one thing, but the wealthiest army on the continent just looted and plundered innocent smallfolk and it's never really a problem. I would figure maybe the smallfolk wouldn't appreciate a Lannister Queen because of it or maybe the other lords have no a quarrel about it, the Lannisters didn’t even have the stake in it the rebels had so it was pure turn cloak opportunistic. Maybe I'm forgetting some information but this has always been something I've thought about.

King's Landing definitely has a grudge against Cersei for this, I'm not really buying the whole they loved her as a young Queen. Oh, they probably cheered at her wedding but I don't believe they ever loved her really. As for the lords, I think they were just glad the war and Aerys was over and if they had qualms about House Lannister, they knew better than to say anything.