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Non passing trans men don't benefit from misogyny whatsoever, besides possibly on the internet. If they are seen as a woman in someone's eyes, especially legally, they do not benefit from it. If you are not seen as a man by society, regardless of if you are or not, you do not benefit from misogyny.

It's that fuckin simple.

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i'm not going to harp on this any longer after this post because who cares + she blocked me but this ask is the True Word Vomit to me. like, did you agree with me or not? lol

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you seem to be under the impression that male privilege = perpetuating or being able to perpetuate misogyny. as you have mentioned yourself, cis women are also misogynistic. nobody here is saying that trans men can't be misogynistic. or even that they are "less likely" to be misogynistic than any other man due to some innate female essence (which would be transmisogynistic as well as transandrophobic). however, if women, cis and trans, are also capable of being misogynistic (often to other women who they have social power over - for example, mothers to their female children, white women to women of color, rich women to poor women, etc.), it doesn't make much sense to define male privilege as "being misogynistic." does everyone have male privilege? obviously not.

you are also tying manhood to having male privilege ("[saying trans men don't have male privilege] is just repackaged fucking 'you'll never be a real man'"), which i don't like. as you've said, men's access to male privilege waxes and wanes depending on circumstances and other factors like race. if manhood is irrevocably intertwined with having male privilege, white cishet gender-conforming upper-class able-bodied (and so on) men would be "The Most Man" on account of having the most access to male privilege - men of color, gay men, disabled men, etc., would be "less man." this is already how the patriarchy views men who do not live up to hegemonic masculinity. by equating manhood to male privilege you actually end up reinforcing the status quo.

this is not to say marginalized men do not have access to male privilege at all. especially comparative to similarly-stratified women, they can and do have privilege. i think this is true in the trans community as well. just because trans men do not have unconditional access to male privilege in wider cissexist society does not mean they don't have access to it within the queer and especially the trans community. (this also doesn't mean that trans women do have access to male privilege - i am not doing an oppositional sexism here.) it would be kind of stupid of me to say that if a white het etc. trans man and a white het etc. trans woman were having a messy breakup and both accusing each other of being abusive that they would definitely have equal support on both sides when people are conditioned to see trans women as predatory. within the trans community, given that a trans man's manhood is actually respected (which does not always occur), he does in fact have privilege over a similarly-stratified trans woman.

finally, i've noticed you are very focused on social benefits that trans men may receive when they are passing and being respected as men. those benefits do exist, to an extent - for example, within the trans community, or among cis people who believe he is also cis. these social benefits are actually not what i was even talking about in my original post. i was talking about rights - as in, legal rights. trans men simply do not have the same legal rights that cis men do. in fact, they lack many civil rights, period. in places where abortion is illegal, trans men who are able to get pregnant cannot terminate a pregnancy that occurs, whether as a result of consensual sex or (sometimes corrective) rape. in many us states now, trans boys can no longer access gender-affirming care that cis boys generally do not need. in many places worldwide, trans men must either undergo surgery or become psychiatrized (i.e., diagnosed with gender dysphoria) to even be considered legally male, if they are able to change their legal gender marker at all. other systemic injustices that cis men do not face also exist: trans men are paid 70 cents to a cishet man's dollar on average (which is lower than the average for even queer women - most of whom on the higher-earning end are probably cis), are sparsely represented even among the few transgender politicians that hold office in the us, and have exceptionally high rates of experiencing sexual assault (p. 205), among other things. you'll probably notice several of these sources indicate that trans women also experience these things or even "have it worse." this is because i have been comparing cis men and trans men, NOT trans men and trans women.

it does not surprise me that of the four opinion pieces you linked, all four authors are white. it does not surprise me that one of these authors states outright that he "hit the genetic jackpot" when it comes to physical changes from hrt, or that another says he passes as straight. another is a trans woman, and i will go out on a limb and say she has not experienced transitioning from female to male (which is, shockingly, a different experience than transitioning from male to female). you're cherry-picking the most privileged, most passing trans people and saying all trans men go through life like this. (by the way, i've read "trans male privilege" before - have you? he talks at length about how his trans masculinity is used to silence him in a way it never would be if he was cis. sure, he ends the article by saying he prefers the word "anti-transmasculinity" over "transandrophobia," but this is a semantic problem, not an ideological one. this kind of thing is exactly what people theorizing about transandrophobia have been saying for years at this point.)

anyway, since actual, honest-to-god MRAs found this post before you did and have tried to pick fights with me on it, i do feel comfortable saying people talking about transmasculine oppression are not "Mens' Rights Activists with a spash of cotton candy." are there bad actors within this discourse who act as if trans women play a significant role in trans men's systemic oppression? of course. there are bad actors all over the trans community who act as if trans men play a significant role in trans women's systemic oppression, or as if binary trans people play a significant role in nonbinary people's systemic oppression, or as if nondysphoric trans people play a significant role in dysphoric trans people's systemic oppression, etc. and there are trans people who are transphobic to individuals who are not "Trans Like They Are." this is not an issue unique to trans men. it's an issue rooted in sticking a bunch of hurt and marginalized and severely traumatized people in a community together before they've healed enough to recognize that lashing out at other people will not save them.

you do know "MRA" is a right-wing dogwhistle because cis men already have rights on the basis of their gender, right? you DO know trans men DON'T actually have rights on the basis of their gender, right? you DO know "TMRA" more closely echoes "TRA", a term used by actual, GENUINE TERFs to compare trans liberation to a right-wing misogynistic hate movement, RIGHT?

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I was thinking

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i forgot there were genuine MRAs on here but considering there are also nazis (ok, there's nazis everywhere) and tradcaths (this one actually confuses me) i guess i shouldn't be surprised...

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"most criticism mras give to feminists is correct" and the criticism is slop like this:

you do know "MRA" is a right-wing dogwhistle because cis men already have rights on the basis of their gender, right? you DO know trans men DON'T actually have rights on the basis of their gender, right? you DO know "TMRA" more closely echoes "TRA", a term used by actual, GENUINE TERFs to compare trans liberation to a right-wing misogynistic hate movement, RIGHT?

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if you wanna talk about complex lesbian identities how about "I don't feel allowed to call myself a lesbian as a trans woman on account of all the transmisogyny from literally everyone but I also have to constantly assert that I am or everyone acts even more like I'm incapable of being one, not to mention sexual harassment from guys pulling their own "complicated relationship to lesbianism" card to justify harassing transfem lesbians on the internet in a way that paints the women being harassed as transphobic somehow"

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Illustration by Seiichi Hayashi, 1981, scanned from “Japanese Woman,” published by Sanrio.

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May you wake up with pointed ears, curled horns, sharp fangs, pitch black eyes, and whatever other inhuman parts you would like to have.

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you do know "MRA" is a right-wing dogwhistle because cis men already have rights on the basis of their gender, right? you DO know trans men DON'T actually have rights on the basis of their gender, right? you DO know "TMRA" more closely echoes "TRA", a term used by actual, GENUINE TERFs to compare trans liberation to a right-wing misogynistic hate movement, RIGHT?

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you do know "MRA" is a right-wing dogwhistle because cis men already have rights on the basis of their gender, right? you DO know trans men DON'T actually have rights on the basis of their gender, right? you DO know "TMRA" more closely echoes "TRA", a term used by actual, GENUINE TERFs to compare trans liberation to a right-wing misogynistic hate movement, RIGHT?

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People talk abt the erasure of high support needs autistic people among autism communities on here and that's extremely important but also it honestly feels like people have straight up forgotten that autistic people have Needs. Like needs of literally any kind. I have literally watched people pooh-pooh the idea that autism is a disability (calling it a "metaphorical disability" as opposed to physical disabilities which are "real"), have seen countless memes where the punchline is "autistic person has a common symptom or trait of autism", and you just see a bunch of people talk about how they're super autistic but conveniently are never seen as weird or unlikable and never have meltdowns or lash out and have zero trouble understanding sarcasm or jokes or social cues and hit all their life milestones at appropriate times and aren't lame loser virgins like the rest of you shut-ins. Like it is just extremely common to mock and harass autistic people for displaying very typical autistic traits. There's a point where "dismantling stereotypes" becomes "not actually recognizing the things that make autism autism" and we've really reached it it feels like. As always just a stunning lack of compassion for people who are disabled in ways that disable them and not disabled in ways that are cool to you

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"angels aren't real" ok then explain butch trans women. idiot

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"character.ai is ROTTING teenagers' brains! they are literally no longer capable of forming relationships with other people!"

some people on here genuinely talk about ai the way conservatives in the 00s talked about video games or the way conservatives in the 80s talked about heavy metal and dungeons & dragons or the way conservatives in the 30s talked about tv

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some people on here genuinely talk about ai the way conservatives in the 00s talked about video games or the way conservatives in the 80s talked about heavy metal and dungeons & dragons or the way conservatives in the 30s talked about tv

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why dont uou listen to the angelic giggle of a tgirl and then youll understand everything ever probably👍

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happy pride to all transhets!!! we are so very wonderful :3