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Not to mention the devotion Kakashi gave to Obito after his "death". He visited the memorial stone every day, whenever he could. He performed this ritual for hours, talking to a stone. I wonder if he had a private shrine at home where he lit incense whenever possible. If he didn't have one before, he should have one now. Considering Obito's revelation as a war criminal.

There is a lot of symbolism in these actions, and no matter what light we view it in (whether romantic or platonic), Kakashi was (maybe still is?) very loyal to Obito.

Yes, he also cares a lot about Rin and keeps her memory alive with the same care he gives Obito, but in the beginning he only did it because Obito, on his deathbed, asked him to. He must have cared a lot about her, but that was only possible because they had something in common: Obito. Or rather, the late Obito was what brought them together.

... Now that I think about it, it seems like they (Kakashi and Rin) have started behaving like two widows mourning their husband. (Obito certainly thinks of them as his two most precious people in his entire life)

The love between Kakashi and Obito is real:

1. Kakashi's Entire Value System Was Rewritten by Obito. That’s not normal. That’s transformative. Obito dies and Kakashi changes his entire life, ideology, and identity based on a single speech—then quotes it for decades. Like... yall, that’s not just grief, that’s bonded for life.

2. Obito’s Entire Identity Revolves Around Kakashi.

Throughout Shippuden, when Obito reflects on his past, Kakashi is always present in his memories. Even his mask, his goals, his trauma—it all links back to losing Rin and clashing with Kakashi. And yet, during the war, when everyone is calling him evil, he still seeks Kakashi’s understanding (no one else's), debating philosophy, showing vulnerability, and expressing how much he was hurt. If Kakashi truly meant nothing to him at that point in time, he wouldn't waste his breath.

3. The Forgiveness Was Immediate and Unquestioning. Obito started the war, killed their friends, and helped in the murder Kakashi’s father-figure (Minato)—and Kakashi STILL forgave him faster than anyone in the series. That’s not logic. That’s love. Romantic or not, that is soulmate-level loyalty.

4. Obito Imagined an Alternate Universe Where They Could Be Together Forever. His Infinite Tsukuyomi dream was literally just Kakashi and Rin alive, chilling with him. He imagined saving the world, sure, but his heaven was just Kakashi. And Rin. Forever. On loop. //dies//

4. "I'll Be Your Eyes." Obito gives Kakashi his eye before dying. Like some kind of symbolic marriage proposal if you squint a little. And Kakashi cries over him, behaving like a widow, and keeps his memory alive every day, in tiny but important ways.

5. That Ending Scene. That wasn’t just bros. That was the “we could’ve had a life together” moment. The what if. The goodbye. The "I would’ve stayed by your side forever if you hadn’t gone down this path" type of heartbreak.

7. “You remind me of myself.”

Kishimoto mirrors the Naruto/Sasuke dynamic with Obito/Kakashi. The obsessive bond, the “I’ll bring you back” arc, the emotional entanglement—Obito is the Sasuke, and Kakashi is the Naruto in reverse.

But Why Didn’t It Go Full Romance?

Because shonen rules. That's literally it. lol

TL;DR

Is there a canon romance? No. Just strong brotherly I'd-die-for-you-in-a-heartbeat-even-if-you-destroy-the-world vibes. (Because I love you, but no homo. 😭)

Is there a clear undercurrent—a vibe, a what if, an intensity that goes beyond platonic friendship? Yes. Hell yes. Absolutely.

Whether you ship it or not, it’s undeniable that Kakashi’s love for Obito is the deepest, most enduring connection of his life. And Obito loved him back (dude sacrificed himself unasked, twice...)

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How can a character like Madara Uchiha, with all his popularity and infamy, never have his name or the true abilities of his Mangekyou Sharingan revealed? How did Kishimoto leave this out? Or is there a technical sheet with this information and I just haven't found it? 🤔🤔

... I guess I'll have to look for some fanon on Reddit '-'

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Reminder that Kushina was not very "nice" to Obito at first. She undermined him in front of his team, belittled him, hit him!!, and later shows clear distaste for Obito when Minato brings him up. "He's hardly more than a bragging little half pint. He's always tripping over himself, he can't throw a shuriken straight, and his jutsu setup is just.. He'll need some work. *derisive scoff*" Minato had the grace to defend Obito, while remindering her that he was somehow her favorite. This was right before Kannabi bridge.

I don't really care that she ended up being nice to a kid who had zero self confidence and was constantly being compared to Kakashi for whatever. Kushina shouldn't have been so harsh with Obi at first. Obito had no parents no relatives except a retconned grandma. He had no adults besides Minato and Kushina and they both let him down.

So good for Obito for being the reason they died. 💯✔ Minato failed Obito and he failed his team at Kannabi bridge. Obito had 💯 the right to be angry. TWO students died under Minato. Not just Rin. Obito died too.

Naruto being more or less the same as Obi in personality, i.e., spunky, adhd, prone to isolation, seeking validation, needing bonds, needing to feel loved, needing to take care of everyone, needing to be in charge, isn't a coincidence.

The clip above is a few seconds, but you can BET Kushina was regularly condescending to Obi, and made him feel stupid, let down, and worthless. It shows in Obito's reactions to her, his defensive reaction to her bringing them food, "I don't take handouts" kids don't get this way out of nowhere. Kids don't dislike adults for no reason. He was used to being demoralized by her and where this hilarious concept of "Kushiha was so nice" to her comes from is a joke to me. She CONSTANTLY compared him to Kakashi. Routinely. It's like a parent comparing their favorite kids in front of them. It's a shitty feeling. Obito wasn't her kid to disparage and emotionally stunt. It's one of my biggest pet peeves when I see users say Obito become what he is from nowhere.

Words have emotional impact for kids. Actions shape psychological behaviors even without any obvious indication.

Think about the pipeline here:

Kushina -> Minato -> Madara. This was all Obito had. Those were the three guiding figures in his existence and all 3 were major red flags.

IT GIVES ME SO MUCH AGGRAVATION when I see "fans" completely ignoring the faults of EVERYONE in Obito's life besides his own. ESP on Reddit they love to call Obito a shithead and a guy who "become a violent unhinged massive loser" and yet they never use a braincell to connect the pieces of how.

"Kakashi did no wrong". Rant coming. I was going to stay quiet about it but it's coming.

If anyone responds to this with "tough love" I will block. If anyone responds to this with it was no big deal I will snap. And if anyone responds to this with "that doesn't excuse his future actions" yeah no shit meathead. I'm clearly speaking to Obito as a kid, not excusing his future. Learn to read.

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dear lord, please take all life problems and responsibilities away from fanfic writers but also make them financially stable and happy with nothing to worry about so they can happily focus on writing and posting fanfiction. amen

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I loathe the concept of the curse of hatred it’s so fucking stupid I genuinely forget everyone and their mother in canon thinks Uchiha powers come from hatred TGATS BULLSHIT!! It’s love!! Love!! The fundamental part of being human that shinobi are taught to remove themselves from and that Uchiha never can!! Sharingan at every point stems from them being human and loving and hurting and grieving!! It’s neither about hatred nor a curse in the first place. They’re GENETICALLY the LEAST suitable people to be shinobi in general because of their inherent emotionality. What the fuck are they doing here. And still they’re doing it better than everyone else. What legends

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Time to share my newest headcanon with you! Guess what? It's about the Uchiha clan! (Surprise, surprise 🤭)

So, I'm developing a hc about the beliefs and funeral practices of the Uchiha clan. I'm taking into account many real elements of the funeral practices of Japan and Asia, which I researched to guide me during the development of my hc, but I'm not following everything to the letter. I'm adding other things that I think fit very well with the profile of the Uchiha clan.

So, here we go.

Content warning: this is just my hcs

1) The Uchiha clan is predominantly a fire clan and full of pyromaniacs; the presence of Shintoism is something strong and I believe that because of this the vast majority of Uchihas are/or can be superstitious people. Therefore, the Uchihas prefer to burn their dead for reasons of 1) Safety of the lineage - (to prevent theft and desecration of the dead);

2) a question of purity and impurity. I noticed that this is a very common theme in Asia. It could not be different with the Uchihas. They hate (are afraid/repulsed by) the idea of the earth and worms eating their dead bodies. For them, this is degrading, disgusting (impure) and terrifying. There is a strong belief within the clan that the spirits of their deceased would be extremely revolted by such neglect and would become vengeful spirits that could bring bad luck and curses to their own family. For this reason, cremation was the preferred method, so much so that it became a tradition and obligation in the clan because it is seen as purifying and safe.

Considering the Sengoku Jidai period of the Narutoverse, war between clans left many bodies missing/unrecognizable/unrecovered. To get around this horrible problem and to be able to provide a dignified funeral for those whose bodies were not recovered, the Uchiha developed the tradition of cutting and saving a lock of hair from their warriors to be burned later, in case of death and no body being recovered. Since the Uchihas have been at war for a long time and it is well known that war spares no one, the practice of saving a lock of hair - something that only warriors/ninjas used to do - spread throughout the clan and became a common practice among the rest of the Uchiha population.

(This practice began to disappear in the Konoha Era during the reign of the Sandaime. It was still practiced by some elders of the clan, but the practice fell into disuse.)

2) The color of mourning.

It is so interesting to learn things like this. The color of mourning can be different for each country/culture around the world and carries so many meanings and symbolisms. In Asia (mainly China, India, Japan) the color of mourning is white. We have seen this in the anime when Izuna died and his body was dressed in pure and plain white. When the Sandaime Hokage died and the crowd wore black. When the Edo Tensei of Akatsuki were summoned from beyond the grave and their clothes were red.

The color white is used to represent purity, peace or the desire for peace and reflection after the death of a loved one.

The color black conveys sadness, lack of light and darkness that symbolize these difficult moments of mourning and loss.

Regarding the color red used by the Akatsuki Edo Tensei, I interpret this as a representation of the state of impurity of that zombie. If in the anime white represents the purity of the dead, then red is the opposite. The name of the jutsu itself makes this very clear: Edo Tensei aka Reincarnation of the Impure World.

For the funeral culture of the Uchiha clan, I believe that these two colors (white and black) carry great meanings and symbolism consistent with the profile of the clan. In the Uchiha clan, the dead are dressed in white and the living mourners wear black. We already know what the color white means. So let's analyze the color black from the Uchiha's perspective: The color black alludes to sadness, darkness, and the emptiness that a loved one leaves in the lives of those who are still alive. It is also possible to make connections and references to the Mangekyou Sharingan. We know that the Sharingan and the MS can be awakened by strong emotions such as fear, despair, and loss.

The MS, in particular, can only be achieved through a great loss that is inestimable to the user. It is well known that the MS, if used excessively, will eventually leave its bearer blind and live in darkness.

3) Burning offerings/letters in religious fire.

The Uchihas write their letters with their requests or outbursts and burn them in the sacred fire. The black fire of Amaterasu is considered the most sacred, but normal fire can be used as well. Burning paper is quite versatile and goes beyond the clan's funeral context, as it can be done to commemorate events such as births, anniversaries, or weddings.

For now, that's all I have to share about my hc. I'll be back with more later.

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Obito just wanted a young Kohai Uchiha to monologue with and bring to his side, like Madara did with him (young Obito), but he quickly realized that it wouldn't work because Sasuke is very cynical and dissenting. Every speech Obito made would be criticized by Sasuke. And Obito wanted a young Kohai to impress, not an opponent.

ok this is my own fault for trying to make sense of the war arc but what did obito want sasuke for. everyone is like oh he brainwashed him but…to what end. he doesn’t give a fuck about the uchiha seeing as he helped murder them bc he got bored. he said they were discriminated against but also selfish. sasuke is a horrible pawn since he tried to kill him every five minutes. he gave sasuke eye surgery? like im really thinking and what im coming up with is obito just wanted a drinking buddy to do super villain ranting with

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obito was a pretty good father figure to sasuke like he helped him get revenge on danzo, helped him break into un meeting and destroy shit, gave him new pair of eyeballs, let him live in his house which is a cave in the woods rent free and also took him out for some tea

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I never stopped to think about it that way, but yes, it makes perfect sense.

My yaoi side will never be able to forget this very important detail, as it is something fundamental in Madara's personality.

but seriously you must be out of your mind if you think madara would ever let somebody fuck him in the ass there is no shot. like really? madara "i'll never be taken from behind" uchiha? i don't know guys i just don't see it

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Defending Fugaku because somone has to

One of many thinks I dislike in Naruto fandom is the way Fugaku is treated. He's labeled as abusive and neglectful father even tho he really isn't and they never try to see his perspective.

First of all abusive part, it just isn't true. We never even saw him doing anything to harm Sasuke or Itachi. Like not anything close. Even when Itachi attacked his classmen for suspecting him of Shisui's death. All Fugaku does is scold him, barely rising his voice, and as for what we saw, Itachi had no conquences for that. Even when Itachi came to kill him and Mikoto, Fugaku doesn't put up a fight because he doesn't want to fight his son. He isn't angry, even gives Itachi reassuring words, mind you Itachi came to kill him. Only thing that can be abusive is making him a double agent, on which I will touch in a minute.

As for abusive to Sasuke, he also simply isn't, we never have a scene which implies that. In manga his first scene is Sasuke asking him why is Itachi so cold to him. So Sasuke felt comfortable enough to ask that and complain to him. Fugaku also took time out to help train Sasuke, mind you this was in the middle of coup planning and tension between clan and village were high. Yet he still found a little time for Sasuke. His last words were also about Sasuke, asking Itachi to take care of him.

Now for the neglectful part, this is one I can understand why people think, but people also tend to forget what was Fugaku's position in the moment. He was the clan head of a clan that was already fed up with how village treated. And Uchiha were justified in being angry. So Fugaku had to deal with angry clansmen who were already pissed off. While on other hand he was still clan head, which means he had to deal with complaints from people outside of clan too. Which would make anyone stressed and overworked. Add in the fact clan was literally in the middle of planning a coup. Which makes things about thirty times more complicated. Also add in the fact he was leader of group of people against whom the government was prejudiced.

It was a given he'd be a little distant, wether he wanted or didn't. So yeah in that sense Sasuke was neglected. But as I said earlier, Fugaku didn't really have much choice here. He was a father, but also a political figure. He had to balance his families desires and clans desires. Fugaku would be a bad leader if he threw away all his responsibility to spend time with his family. In this moment Sasuke simply wasn't his biggest priority. I can also imagine Fugaku thought that in the end coup would end up beneficial for Sasuke too, so it would be worth it.

Onto the part where he made Itachi a double agent. A lot of things I said prior also applies here. Fugaku in that moment chose prioritising the clan over Itachi, which would make Itachi overwhelmed. And that was bad on Fugaku's part. Let's just make that clear. But it was also understandable for someone in his position. Fugaku couldn't constantly prioritise his children, that would make clan angry at him too, because he would be putting his son's needs above the needs of other Uchiha's. Then you'd have people be angry because in that way it would seem like Fugaku thought his children were more important then other Uchiha children who were, again, being prejudiced against. And that would also make clan against him. So Fugaku here sacrificed Itachi's needs for needs of others. And also, same as for Sasuke, since Itachi would benefit from Coup and wouldn't be double agent anymore, he probably thought it was worth a sacrifice.

Fandom's dislike for Fugaku, let's be honest, comes from the fact he doesn't look like Chico Lachowski or something like that. It's a good example of pretty privilege. I can bet you money he wouldn't be as hated if he looked different. Mikoto is good example, she also supported the coup and had many beliefs same as Fugaku, which is normal since it's her husband. Yet fandom doesn't treat her like Fugaku. Which I believe is mainly because she looks better (not saying that's evrebodys reason). I've seen a lot of people saying Fugaku and Mikoto had arranged marriage. Literally no evidence for that. As I said on my other post, God forbid slightly ugly character is in healthy and loving relationship.

In my conclusion, Fugaku is a flawed man, but a good man. His choices were reasonable enough for position he was in. Even with little screen time you can make him complex. Kishimoto definitely wasted him, like a lot of other characters. But fandom's dislike for him literally only comes from not thinking about his perspective for a second or just simply disliking him for his mouth. He was a flawed father, but not abusive, terrible or willingly neglectful one.

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I do not take your opinion siriusly if you call Madara ugly

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Sasuke was a rogue ninja and should have been properly classified as such by Tsunade a long time before Danzo did it.

He may not have been killing people, Itachi was his only focus but… that doesn’t change the fact that he willingly went to Konoha’s number 1 enemy (who had just attacked the village and killed its Hokage!) and attacked a ninja sent on an official mission (approved by the Hokage) to retrieve him, not to mention that he took his Kekkei Genkai (the secrets of which are to be kept locked in the village of origin) to someone who was well-known to experiment with jutsu.

Sasuke wasn’t forced to do anything (like how Naruto kept insisting on for years) - every decision, even if influenced by manipulators like Madara and Tobi, was still his own. Taking out various S-rank criminals for his own goals doesn’t negate that he worked for the Akatsuki - the biggest terrorist group in the world, kidnapped the Raikage’s brother (a military weapon), attacked the Gokage Summit or that he killed a Hokage (Danzo had it coming but legally? Still the Hokage of the Leaf).

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I was imagining something like a saturated joke that no one can stand anymore, but unfortunately it's still very common.

This is the reaction of an Uchiha hearing for the millionth time his fellow Uchiha repeating this same joke:

Obito is different, he really wanted to make this kind of joke, unfortunately there was no time. 😔 Madara wouldn't like this

I have a HC about the Uchihas that is very funny (to me) I can only imagine the internal dynamics of the Uchiha clan, imagine one Uchiha saying to another: "Man, I completely forgot about that!" It seems funny to me that an Uchiha, who has the Sharingan, would say that. It's an inside joke between all of them.

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I have a HC about the Uchihas that is very funny (to me) I can only imagine the internal dynamics of the Uchiha clan, imagine one Uchiha saying to another: "Man, I completely forgot about that!" It seems funny to me that an Uchiha, who has the Sharingan, would say that. It's an inside joke between all of them.

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The base Sharingan is cosmically ahead of the Byakugan, so...

…why’s there any debate on this? Yes, it absolutely is. I don’t understand why this bickering even exists as, whatever Byakugan does, Sharingan does it cosmically better!

Continuar lendo

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'Hashirama's country was a shameful contradiction… Man seeks peace, yet at the same time yearning for war… Those are the two realms belonging solely to man. Thinking of peace whilst spilling blood is something only humans can do. They're two sides of the same coin. To protect something… another must be sacrificed.'

Can you elaborate this quote, too ?

I think I don't get it quite. I'd love to read your take on this.

Hashirama's country was a shameful contradiction…

Note: I cannot at all expect that my thoughts on the matter are correct and I'm sure there are plenty of people out there who could give a far more elaborate explanation than myself.

While we don't know what occurs in Konoha after Madara's death, as it's never revealed in the manga, we can assume injustices ran rife however subtle they seemed to be.

I think, once again, it all comes down to the concept of sacrifice and we see it in the key phrase:

"To protect something, another must be sacrificed."

I'm going to go on a whim here and assume that this wasn't Hashirama's initial vision. Most probably, Madara and Hashirama shared the exact same ideal as children : to create a realm of peace and harmony.

We even know that Hashirama was somewhat of an idealist, through Tobirama's words - the latter states that Hashirama wanted to dismantle the power frameworks that were the clans and unite people of all backgrounds under one, supreme superstructure: the Leaf.

We know this never really occurs, though to be fair to Hashirama, his dream is projected into the future more than in the present as he's aware that it will never come to be within his life span.

Still, despite his best efforts and enduring desires to see a utopian world come to life, all of which most probably stems from the obsession with peace which is ultimately kept very much alive through the memory of the pain of loss, Hashirama begins to compromise. For the sake of peace and for the sake of the Leaf.

Hashirama begins to morph into the archetype of a man who would repudiate his own kin - and this is best exemplified through his own words when he thrusts his katana through Madara's back. Hashirama would be willing to sacrifice anyone, be it nakama, brother or even his own child, for the preservation of the Leaf. In a sense, Hashirama becomes similar to the people he so despised when he himself was a child.

Now going back to the village: the Leaf, unfortunately, becomes ever more corrupt over time. Child soldiers are still used in warfare. Subversive military organisations spring up from the underbelly of Konoha, operating under the shroud of darkness and beneath the guise of "it's for the good of the village".

How much is the village willing to sacrifice for its own perpetuation and continuity? How many children's lives are worth it? Is there even a countable quantity? Or is the village, for the sake of its own existence, willing to slaughter as many children as need be?

It's an oxymoron: the village was created to protect the innocence of children, this was the fulcrum of Madara's and Hashirama's dream. No more loss, no more pain, no more destruction and families ripped apart.

But that vision is broken. Because to ensure the village's preservation, all kinds of tremendous sacrifices are committed.

Konoha becomes a militaristic state (no different from the other villages mind you) where shinobi and most probably simple citizens are to be expected to unquestionably serve. It's the reverence, the undying loyalty to an extreme, even if Konoha heinous crimes against its own people. Konoha is not to be questioned for if you question Konoha you threaten its survival.

And again, we see it with the Uchiha massacre - Konoha was willing to wipe out an entire people for the sake of... Itself.

This is just one example, but another very interesting one regards the Hyuga clan. To ensure the propagation of the main branch, the Hyuga subject their own kith and kin to slavery. And torture. Disobedience from among its ranks is not permitted. You either serve the main branch or you perish (while suffering immensely too).

Konoha never once steps in to abolish this horrendous practice - it's tolerated. Why? Most probably because had it intervened, it would have lost the power that came with the Hyuga. And all in all, considering the philosophy adopted at the time, why should it bother anyway? Human rights don't really seem to be much of an issue for Konoha: as long as you are unwaveringly faithful to the village, then pretty much anything is allowed.

This wasn't Hashirama's dream. Hashirama's dream, Madara's dream, it all ends up distorted over time: Konoha has become a contradiction. 

Because in order to protect its people, it inevitably sacrifices its own. In the name of peace or love or whatever paradigmatic vision is to your liking, Konoha is willing to do whatever it takes, even if it’s incoherent with the very principles that lay at the basis of its creation.

"Thinking of peace whist spilling blood is something only humans can do."

And it's true. There's a powerful duality here and it's a contradictio in terminis:

Man desires peace - but to obtain peace man has to spill blood - to spill blood is the contradiction.

Look at it under a modern light in the infamous phrase "War is Peace" (Orwell) - It's an inescapable paradox:

To ensure the survival of the whole you have to be prepared to kill your own child.

To preserve peace you have to initiate war.

To protect love you have to be capable of hate.

There's a great deal of irony in all this. I suppose this is what Madara realized, at the end of his life:

Man, as a human, as a mortal and in his fractious humanity, is fallible. And will always fail on some level. Absolutes don't pertain to the realm of men, they belong to the Gods. Man is incongruous and flawed.

It's man's greatest conundrum, a dilemma from which there is no escape because of mutually conflicting conditions.

It's a catch 22 that Madara seeks to resolve and unknot by reaching a transcendental God-tier status and plunging mankind in an all-encompassing ideal of sublimity where the very concept of sacrifice is no longer.

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I realized something recently while reading some analysis about the f4sc1st government of Konoha and how people ignore the atrocities committed in the name of the Will of Fire. (Because the protagonist makes it seem cool and heroic. Therefore it must be something good and just.)

Anyway, back to my initial topic, I realized that Obito (then masked Madara) used Edo Tensei to summon all the dead he wanted into his army, except for: 1) Jiraya, which he wanted but couldn't. 2) The 4 Hokages dead was also not possible because their souls were locked in the Shinigami's stomach. 3) No Uchiha other than Itachi and that definitely caught my attention.

Why no other Uchiha? Surely it would have been safer for their plans to bring in former Uchiha who never knew Konoha (like Izuna, Tajima, etc.) They certainly would have no loyalty to the Leaf.

Any other resentful Uchiha who died in the mass4cre would have been a better addition to the undead army than Itachi.

I said to myself, "Maybe Obito was just cautious and didn't want to risk losing control of an Uchiha zombie who could, perhaps, turn against him." But, Itachi did it.

Obito was quite confident in controlling this Uchiha, so he shouldn't have bothered bringing others. But he didn't. I wonder why. Did he care about his relatives deep down? I doubt it. He helped kill them and also took their Sharingans.

(Maybe I'm just overthinking it. Kishimoto just wanted a way to turn Itachi into some kind of hero and make the Hokages justify their actions and convince Sasuke to give in and settle for things.)