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[glitta]

‘driving force for four seasons’... um okay, if you say so, but.. that was 3 seasons ago. Since then they’ve barely had any kind of a relationship.

I mean I don’t know if you’re simply referring to them having scenes, because obviously they were going to do that for the fans, but anything of a romantic/implied romantic nature would be forced and ridiculous. Because it’s out of nowhere whether it be following from their Riverdale selves - where, you know, Betty wanted to marry Archie and hadn’t been with Jughead for 8 years. Or whether it be their 50′s selves where they’ve had minimal interaction. Even presenting them as an important relationship is hard to believe.

Saying ‘duh, bc they were important to the fans and mattered in the first seasons’ isn’t the same thing as anything they do making sense and expecting us to buy it..

Probably naive of me to hope you’re not using 7000 words to convince us that Bughead being forced in the series finale makes sense

Do you mean the ship that was the driving force behind 4+ seasons, aka the majority of seasons of the show? No, I'm not. I only need 21 words to do that.

[glitta]

Okay, let me be honest:

The reason you’re all happier with an open endgame is because your ships were ruined, and you know it. Because barchie were engaged and the only realistic option for an actual endgame, and you know it.

So if you now have this ending where you can pretend that your ship ends up together.. you’ll gladly take it.

barchie didn’t lose. Regardless of this ending.. barchie never lost. What the characters wanted, with the full history of everything we watched in season 1 through to 6, as the characters we watched during that time: was a barchie engagement. Technically that was the endgame for the characters we watched and loved. s7 was starting over, new era, new histories, no memories.

And even in that season with a wiped slate, barchie have more story then bughead have. Like.. where is their story, hm? The show will end with an open ending, but you have nothing leading to the endgame you can pretend happened. Interesting.

And that the characters and every bit of history had to be wiped away for you guys to have a couple random kisses that meant barely anything and a “open” endgame... well, I’d be embarrassed.

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a moment of honesty

for those barchies wondering why bugheads/varchies are happier with an open ending…

the reason is because of a cast relationship that’s literally the best outcome. i think bughead/varchie were always gonna get the same ending whether it was both endgame or an open ending, as in key moments roberto will always revert back to that core four best friends endgame and barchie just doesn’t fit into that as well

could barchie have been endgame? absolutely, but putting them together with more than one season remaining ended that. the best thing barchie had going for itself was the unknown. once people saw them together they lost all hype, and they were boring as hell let’s be honest

barchie managed to lose a race they were the only runner in. they fell over, busted their knee and had to be carried away on a stretcher by barchiedaily in shame, that’s how much roberto didn’t rate them

bugheads/varchies know they got the best of riverdale, the better story, and the show ends with people wanting them, not barchie. and an open ending doesn’t take away from that, it only adds to it. that’s why they’re happier.

[glitta]

Yes, varchie had to date for the same time more or less because they were keeping bughead together. Though they actually let them date other people. Betty and Jughead never got to date anyone else at all in high school. So.. that’s not... disproving my point. At all. I’m not sure why you’re trying to argue this. I’m not disputing that they had popularity, but once again it’s naive as hell to act like their real life relationship didn’t affect the onscreen relationships all along. Even Vanessa was able to point out what RAS does when cast members are close.

I can’t keep repeating myself on the pilot. They would have 100% had a set up in the pilot if that’s what they wanted since before they wrote the pilot. They didn’t have even a teeny scene. They were not important going into the show.

And because this will go nowhere, I’m happy to end this conversation here. You’re set in what you think, and I’m sure of what I’m saying. Lets just not waste any more time on this.

Someone should eventually write an article about how fan service and Sprousehart is what changed Riverdale

I’m certainly never going to write anything like that so you’re knocking at the wrong door here, but literally nobody is stopping you from writing whatever you want.

[glitta]

“we always planned for them to date” has nothing to do with the length of time that they were together, which is what I’m talking about. What I’ve been saying all along is that the reason they dragged on for 4 whole seasons was them capitalizing on them dating irl. Their popularity was a big bubble including that real relationship.

It’s just the way things work in the industry. No, this isn’t my first show. Is it yours?

And yes, if they planned for them to be a big deal relationship before the show started instead of a short stop, they would have 100% had them set up in the pilot episode. Pilot episodes sell what the show is intended to be. They would have given them something. They had nothing.

Someone should eventually write an article about how fan service and Sprousehart is what changed Riverdale

I’m certainly never going to write anything like that so you’re knocking at the wrong door here, but literally nobody is stopping you from writing whatever you want.

[glitta]

Of course Cheryl and Toni didn’t interact in the pilot.. Toni wasn’t a character then. I’m not saying that relationships cannot come into being later in the show, or that plans can’t deviate, but it seems like you’re trying to say that they always planned bh to be some big long relationship before the show started, but if that was indeed the case they WOULD have been put into the pilot episode. They weren’t.

Betty and Jughead kissed in episode 6 of season 1. YES they were rushed.

You haven’t presented any evidence that the network didn’t take advantage of their relationship and the combined popularity of a real couple dating/their on screen characters dating. Thus there isn’t anything challenging the way I see it, so.. I’m going to stick with that.

Someone should eventually write an article about how fan service and Sprousehart is what changed Riverdale

I’m certainly never going to write anything like that so you’re knocking at the wrong door here, but literally nobody is stopping you from writing whatever you want.

[glitta]

Yes, they wanted to put them together  - though do remember that the pilot episode didn’t set them up/they didn’t even have scenes - but that doesn’t equal four loooooong seasons and not allowing the characters to explore anything else. They rushed into them (bc they weren’t intended to stay together) and kept them together too long. It’s naive to say that the real life relationship wasn’t used by the network and that that contributed a lot.

Someone should eventually write an article about how fan service and Sprousehart is what changed Riverdale

I’m certainly never going to write anything like that so you’re knocking at the wrong door here, but literally nobody is stopping you from writing whatever you want.

[glitta]

That had nothing to do with the couples. Unless your ship was the only reason you liked the show.

Someone should eventually write an article about how fan service and Sprousehart is what changed Riverdale

I’m certainly never going to write anything like that so you’re knocking at the wrong door here, but literally nobody is stopping you from writing whatever you want.

[glitta]

But the only reason they dragged on so long was because of them capitalizing on their real life relationship.

So them breaking up was good for the show, and allowed them to finally do something else.

Someone should eventually write an article about how fan service and Sprousehart is what changed Riverdale

I’m certainly never going to write anything like that so you’re knocking at the wrong door here, but literally nobody is stopping you from writing whatever you want.

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Why do you keep tacking ‘Chernobyl’ onto everything? It’s so weird, and making light of a terrible incident.

Anyway, yes she’s horny and thinking of sex with even random people, but I was replying about the ‘barchies said her first time would be with Archie and lol it wont be.”

I’m just saying that you should watch and get confirmation on that before you gloat. That’s it.

Betty having sex with Reggie and not Archie is so funny, the Barchie Stans swore they were going to have a first time like Bughead

[glitta]

They haven’t had a sex scene because they’re virgins, and it’s not a race. And it’s not facts when you’re claiming that Betty is having her first time with Reggie, and you don’t have confirmation of that.

Like the promo indicates this is all her fantasies, not real.

Betty having sex with Reggie and not Archie is so funny, the Barchie Stans swore they were going to have a first time like Bughead

[glitta]

You should wait and see the episode vs just a promo before you boast.

Just saying...

Betty having sex with Reggie and not Archie is so funny, the Barchie Stans swore they were going to have a first time like Bughead

[glitta]

That person interacts with zumpie, wasting your time with that one!

And you are right.

[glitta]

LOL.

This is incredibly funny now. You’re not getting it. Anything that Cole opts to make public means that people are going to have an opinion on. Including on him making it public to start with.

It’s not anyones business what went on in that relationship, you’re right, but Cole made that public. He made it everyones business for his own gain. For his own exposure. To make himself look a certain way or whatever.

Should have kept his mouth shut then?

People that are far up his butt aren’t going to change my mind that he should have kept it private.

IM NOT A LILI HATER BUT THIS NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED:

So now lili Stans wanna shut up when this happens but they wanna preach and preach about mental health and hate everyone that would dare mention lili and not say something overly positive about her.

LOOK CLOSELY AT THE CENSORED WORDS ARE: LILI AND LILI REINHART FANS

Like, I don't hate lili but it's disgusting that she can say and do whatever she wants and nobody is allowed to say that they don't want her in their life and that will be the biggest headlines ALL OVER SOCIAL MEDIA. But when Ari is receiving hate y'all wanna act like nothing happened? No headlines here when she is being body shamed, no headlines when her family is being threatened, no headlines when Ari is being bullied but dare anyone say that they don't want lili in their life.

When lili finally falls off that impossible pedestal you guys put her on and you realise that not everyone is going to say very nice things about her (even though cole didn't even say anything that bad) and that not everyone wants her to be a part of their life and would be happier without her in their life, I'm gonna sit back and be happy. Such a day comes in every celebrity's life. Every celebrity loses that pedestal at least ONCE and it's gonna happen to lili too. She is just a normal human being and she has flaws like every other average gal.

LILI'S STANS ARE HYPOCRITES. The way you love queen lili for spreading mental health awareness but then when it's time to actually show your respect for mental health awareness y'all wanna act like nothing has happened. DISGUSTING. Again I'm not hating lili because she is not the one asking her fans to act like this.

[glitta]

Actually since HE spoke of it publicly, I do get to have an opinion on what he said and the fact that he made it public.

Can he speak on it? Sure. Do I think it’s a nice thing to do to your ex/co-star when everyone knows who you are speaking on? No. Not at all. I think he was an a$$ for that. It is what it is. There was no consent from her (clearly) for him to tell this private stuff to everyone. And I did see people walk away from that interview assuming she’d cheated on him. Even regardless of that, he still worded it that he left her, and should have before that. Who says it like that publicly? Certainly wasn’t nice on the person he said it about.

IM NOT A LILI HATER BUT THIS NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED:

So now lili Stans wanna shut up when this happens but they wanna preach and preach about mental health and hate everyone that would dare mention lili and not say something overly positive about her.

LOOK CLOSELY AT THE CENSORED WORDS ARE: LILI AND LILI REINHART FANS

Like, I don't hate lili but it's disgusting that she can say and do whatever she wants and nobody is allowed to say that they don't want her in their life and that will be the biggest headlines ALL OVER SOCIAL MEDIA. But when Ari is receiving hate y'all wanna act like nothing happened? No headlines here when she is being body shamed, no headlines when her family is being threatened, no headlines when Ari is being bullied but dare anyone say that they don't want lili in their life.

When lili finally falls off that impossible pedestal you guys put her on and you realise that not everyone is going to say very nice things about her (even though cole didn't even say anything that bad) and that not everyone wants her to be a part of their life and would be happier without her in their life, I'm gonna sit back and be happy. Such a day comes in every celebrity's life. Every celebrity loses that pedestal at least ONCE and it's gonna happen to lili too. She is just a normal human being and she has flaws like every other average gal.

LILI'S STANS ARE HYPOCRITES. The way you love queen lili for spreading mental health awareness but then when it's time to actually show your respect for mental health awareness y'all wanna act like nothing has happened. DISGUSTING. Again I'm not hating lili because she is not the one asking her fans to act like this.

[glitta]

No.

There is a huge difference between trash that “fans” send (and those are crazed immature little b*ghead fans, who were obsessed with Cole/Lili), and Cole making things about their relationship public and essentially saying that he wanted to leave her sooner, indicating she might have cheated etc.

What Cole did there was NOT okay, (especially as we’re only getting his side of something that is supposed to be personal...) and nor is this hate to Ari.

But they aren’t the same thing.

Also neither Lili nor any of the fans have anything to do with articles.

IM NOT A LILI HATER BUT THIS NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED:

So now lili Stans wanna shut up when this happens but they wanna preach and preach about mental health and hate everyone that would dare mention lili and not say something overly positive about her.

LOOK CLOSELY AT THE CENSORED WORDS ARE: LILI AND LILI REINHART FANS

Like, I don't hate lili but it's disgusting that she can say and do whatever she wants and nobody is allowed to say that they don't want her in their life and that will be the biggest headlines ALL OVER SOCIAL MEDIA. But when Ari is receiving hate y'all wanna act like nothing happened? No headlines here when she is being body shamed, no headlines when her family is being threatened, no headlines when Ari is being bullied but dare anyone say that they don't want lili in their life.

When lili finally falls off that impossible pedestal you guys put her on and you realise that not everyone is going to say very nice things about her (even though cole didn't even say anything that bad) and that not everyone wants her to be a part of their life and would be happier without her in their life, I'm gonna sit back and be happy. Such a day comes in every celebrity's life. Every celebrity loses that pedestal at least ONCE and it's gonna happen to lili too. She is just a normal human being and she has flaws like every other average gal.

LILI'S STANS ARE HYPOCRITES. The way you love queen lili for spreading mental health awareness but then when it's time to actually show your respect for mental health awareness y'all wanna act like nothing has happened. DISGUSTING. Again I'm not hating lili because she is not the one asking her fans to act like this.

[glitta]

Bughead and varchie fans are still trying to use ratings as an argument against other ships.

If one actually looked at the numbers, they’d realize that the ratings have been falling since the beginning of season 2, and more viewers actually stopped watching while bughead and varchie were together.

You know.. if you care about the truth instead of trying to skew things and make lame arguments for your ships.

[glitta]

I didn’t listen to the podcast, but no.. a girl who is discovering sex and wanting to have it with her boyfriend (who turns out to be gay) and making some moves doesn’t automatically mean that one feels sexy or desirable.

This was a great Betty and Veronica storyline. This was about female empowerment and loving yourself and feeling comfortable in your own body, before embarking on a sexual relationship with anyone. They gave each other confidence without picking apart specific things about their bodies, which happens too often. This is very much something great female friendships possess, and a right of passage. So it’s a little disappointing to hear you say Betty is regressing. Having friendships like this are important. Betty clearly cannot trust her Mom to be that person. This is truly a coming of age story. We’ve been waiting for this. I do whole heartedly agree that Lili and Kj are knocking it out of the park with Barchie. It’s so sweet and the energy is contagious. Things will no doubt get complicated with Veronica. And that is something that also happens often in young female friendships/relationships. This was a stellar episode.

To be clear (and hopefully I was clear on the podcast when I said this but I guess not) it felt to me like they had regressed where Betty was in terms of her confidence in her own sexuality in this week’s episode, versus previous episodes. I could have seen this storyline happening a few episodes back when she was frustrated and trying to move forward with Kevin, not realizing he was gay, and worried that he was rejecting her because she wasn’t pretty enough for him - something that Veronica would teach her is a non-issue because she IS beautiful and needs to accept herself, for herself. But it didn’t quite track for me from the Betty who slapped a human sexuality textbook on Kevin’s chest and said they were doin’ it ASAP.