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gokaihearts35 · 1 year ago
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Decided to make a post about how most (not all) of Thingol's actions that fans criticize were justified (or at least understandable) and in the interest of his people. I'd recommend checking out warrioreowynofrohan and imakemywings for far more comprehensive meta about the tall boi. Also, no quotes because I'm lazy, but all the canon I mention is from the published Silmarillion.
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1. Quenya ban
I've seen the Quenya ban be described as cultural genocide which icks me out. First of all, maybe don't use genocide to describe fictional characters in a fictional universe, especially when it's happening to real people and cultures. Second of all, that term is still inaccurate. Quenya was spoken in Gondolin, probably in Hithlum and Nargothrond too, and no one was punished for it. Earendil could speak Quenya. The Numenoreans could speak Quenya. Bilbo fucking Baggins could speak Quenya.
The ban was a nonviolent way for Thingol to enact some sort of consequence for the people who murdered his brother's people, stole their ships, and then took advantage of his hospitality while keeping this heinous secret. And it was a way to make sure that Sindarin remained the lingua franca of Beleriand, because the Noldor had already proven their disdain towards the Sindar and their intent to establish their own kingdoms. I think it was imakemywings who said that the ban was also a soft power move to show how all the Sindar who worked with/under the Noldor were still ultimately loyal to Thingol and would obey his decree.
So no, the Quenya ban was not racist or xenophobic or cultural genocide. Again, don't use those terms to describe fiction, and if you insist on doing so, at least look them up in the dictionary first.
2. Isolationism
No he wasn't. He was friends with the dwarves, the Laiquendi, and the Falathrim. He made a mutually beneficial alliance with the Haladin. He was rightfully wary of the (armed-to-the-teeth and hiding something) Noldor but even after he learns about the kinslaying he says he won't cut off relations with the Nolofinweans indefinitely because he recognizes that they're in the fight against Morgoth together.
The Girdle of Melian was only put in place after the first battle when Denethor was killed and it was absolutely the right decision strategically. Thingol knew immediately what it took the Noldor 400 years and countless deaths to understand: there was no defeating Morgoth without the Valar. So he took his people and anyone else who was willing, and he created a kingdom with a semblance of peace where they could thrive. Doriath was a fortress and a symbol of hope for Beleriand. As long as Doriath stood, Morgoth hadn't won completely. No one who cared about Beleriand would have sacrificed that hope for some fanciful ideals of vengeance and glory. And don't forget, he let Beleg and Mablung participate in the Nirnaeth. The fact that only those two went means that no one else in Doriath was willing to fight.
3. Maedhros's comment about a king is he who can hold his own
The arrogance. I'm sorry, Mr. I Got Fooled By Morgoth, were you able to hold your own? You'd be a skeleton hanging from a cliff if Fingon hadn't rescued you. Thingol was filling his armories while the Noldor were still chilling in Valinor. Thingol was battling Morgoth while the Noldor were betraying each other and abandoning their home. He literally said: "...elsewhere there are many of my people, and I would not have them restrained of their freedom, still less ousted from their homes." Those are the words of a king who feels responsible for the people outside of Doriath too. Also, check out the difference between Maedhros's "we'll go wherever we want" comment and Thingol's "I don't like them but they'll be the deadliest foes of Morgoth".
His decision to retreat and put up the Girdle was strategically sound. Many Laiquendi joined him after Denethor's death and the Falathrim came and went freely. He had a choice between spreading out his already depleted forces to help the northern Sindar/Falathrim (and likely get annihilated) or retreat, recover, and wait for a better opportunity (the arrival of the Noldor was not a better opportunity; like I said, he knew only the Valar could defeat Morgoth, and Melian also sensed the Doom). Again, Doriath was a symbol of hope. "Gondor wanes, you say. But Gondor stands." Its survival was essential.
4. Attitude towards Men
Look I'm not going to defend his less-than-stellar attitude, but I do think it's exaggerated by the fandom. Before Beren came, Thingol still agreed to let the Haladin dwell in his territory. He even sent the marchwardens to aid them against orcs. And the minute he realizes Beren's loyalty, bravery, and true love for Luthien, he changes and welcomes him (and also appreciates his humor). He treats Turin like a son, and honors and pities Hurin even when Hurin disrespects him. Turgon otoh refuses to let Hurin into Gondolin even though they were actually friends.
5. Didn't join the Union of Maedhros
See: reasons above. Doriath had to survive. Elves could not defeat Morgoth without the Valar. Also, afaik he didn't actually have an army, just the marchwardens and his guard. Also also, Maedhros had subtly threatened him, Celegorm and Curufin had openly threatened him, and this was after they kidnapped and tried to forcibly marry Luthien. Also also also, he "went not to war, nor any out of Doriath save Mablung and Beleg" meaning the general populace didn't want to fight either.
6. Didn't accept refugees
As far as I'm aware, this is completely fanon. The (Noldorin, just fyi) refugees of Nargothrond are accepted into Doriath, as are the Sindar after Bragollach. Curufin and Celegorm's people join Amrod in Ossiriand I believe after the Nirnaeth. There's no canonical basis for this claim.
7. Responsible for Finrod's death
Nah dude. I'm not saying he was right in setting the quest, it was absolutely a horrible quest. But Finrod decided of his own free will to help Beren. You can say that he wouldn't have died if Thingol hadn't set the quest, but that's like saying if Morgoth hadn't stolen the Silmarils, the kinslayings wouldn't have happened. Objectively true, but missing a whole lotta nuance and absolving the Feanorians of their culpability. And I'm not comparing Thingol with Morgoth so don't start.
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The criticisms I don't mention are the ones I agree with. He should have listened to Melian. He should have reasoned with the dwarves instead of insulting them; honestly, his death was pretty stupid. He probably should have been a little more willing to establish relations with the Nolofinweans, but I understand completely why he didn't. He definitely shouldn't have fucked with the Silmaril but tbh, that seemed like one of the parts where a bigger force was determining things, like it was written in the Music already, because that Silmaril did play a key role in Morgoth's defeat.
In conclusion: Thingol rocked, fandom shocked.
Obligatory disclaimer: I meant no offense to anybody, and everyone is entitled to hold their own opinion on the Silm and its characters.
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gokaihearts35 · 1 year ago
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After the fall of gondolin, everybody is (understandably) very upset with maeglin. To be fair, maeglin is also upset with maeglin.
But, to the surprise of almost everybody, turgon forgives him after just one month and one stern talking-to about how he was disappointed and hurt
Why?
Because curufin showed up. Curufin looking smug and annoying and ready to make fun of turgon (understandably).
So turgon calmly informed curufin that he was a mediocre smith, certainly not in the league of turgon's own dear nephew, and hello celegorm yes we were just discussing that your branch of the family can't even do treason correctly, it's honestly sad, and by the way fëanor could never in a million years invent mechanical dragons, and none of the fëanorians are any good at destroying cities even though they ought to have more experience--
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gokaihearts35 · 4 years ago
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Analysis of Doctor Who fandom fanfictions
I decided to try to make an new analysis of Doctor Who fanfictions in AO3:
What is the AO3:
Archive of Our Own (AO3) is a nonprofit open source repository for fanfiction (fic) and other fanworks contributed by users. The site was created in 2008 by the Organization for Transformative Works and went into open beta in 2009. As of December 2020, Archive of Our Own hosted 7 million works in over 40,000 fandoms. The site has received positive reception for its curation, organization and design, mostly done by readers and writers of fanfiction.
- Doctor Who Works Count by Fandoms:
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- Fanfictions works by date:
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- Ratings:
General Audiences (37450)
Teen And Up Audiences (25941)
Mature (8440)
Explicit (7460)
Not Rated (5539)
- Most popular Relationships on AO3 in number of fanfictions:
I tried to create a list of the most popular to least popular relationships on AO3 until it reached 20, but it is difficult to find less popular fanficitons on AO3, so I may have forgotten some relationships in the middle.
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gokaihearts35 · 4 years ago
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Analysis of Tolkien fandom fanfictions
I decided to try to make an new analysis of Tolkien’s fanfictions in AO3:
What is the AO3:
Archive of Our Own (AO3) is a nonprofit open source repository for fanfiction (fic) and other fanworks contributed by users. The site was created in 2008 by the Organization for Transformative Works and went into open beta in 2009. As of December 2020, Archive of Our Own hosted 7 million works in over 40,000 fandoms. The site has received positive reception for its curation, organization and design, mostly done by readers and writers of fanfiction.
- Tolkien Works Count by Fandoms:
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- Ratings:
- General Audiences (30658)
- Teen And Up Audiences (19728)
- Mature (9405)
- Explicit (9123)
- Not Rated (6212)
- Most popular Relationships on AO3 in number of fanfictions:
I tried to create a list of the most popular to least popular relationships on AO3 until it reached approximately 100, but it is difficult to find less popular fanficitons on AO3, so I may have forgotten some relationships in the middle.
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gokaihearts35 · 4 years ago
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Analysis of Star Trek fandom fanfictions
I decided to try to make an analysis of Star Trek fanfictions in AO3:
What is the AO3:
Archive of Our Own (AO3) is a nonprofit open source repository for fanfiction (fic) and other fanworks contributed by users. The site was created in 2008 by the Organization for Transformative Works and went into open beta in 2009. As of May 2020, Archive of Our Own hosted 6 million works[1] in over 40,000 fandoms.[2] The site has received positive reception for its curation, organization and design, mostly done by readers and writers of fanfiction.
- Star Trek Works Count by Fandoms:
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- Number of fanfictions per word count:
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- Fanfictions works by date:
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- Ratings:
General Audiences (24751)
Teen And Up Audiences (24064)
Explicit (12225)
Mature (11077)
Not Rated (4426)
- Most popular Relationships on AO3 in number of fanfictions:
I tried to create a list of the most popular to least popular relationships on AO3 until it reached approximately 100, but it is difficult to find less popular fanficitons on AO3, so I may have forgotten some relationships in the middle.
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gokaihearts35 · 5 years ago
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Comparing Megatron in IDW1 and IDW2
I was thinking about Megatron's representation in the comics of IDW1 and IDW2 and I realized that they are almost opposite versions of each other:
- The IDW2 Megatron is practically a populist right-wing politician with fascist tendencies, considering that his objective is only the unrestricted consumption of resources and colonization, that is, he used a noble rhetoric about liberation to obtain popular support for his conquest regime, exploitation and oppression. The members who are joining the Decepticon are old war veterans, disgruntled ex-miners and other unemployed blue-collar workers, corrupt cops and government officials, people upset at things like gladiator games being shut down for being too violent or the limited fuel consumption due to rationing or the literal birth control. Cybertron is a multi-party democracy with a centrist government in charge, with the planet in an energy crisis. And IDW2 comics started to be launched during the high point of the UK Brexit debates, which is where Ruckley is from, and at the same time as the anti-refugee/immigrant protests in Europe.
- Already in IDW1, Megatron and the Decepticons are more based on revolutions, mainly in of left, with the main source being the USSR, that when they end the dictatorship in which they live, the movement starts to become increasingly extremist and they implant their own dictatorship. Cybertron was a dictator with a caste system, and the first Decepticons were miners and other exploited classes who were considered inferior, and Megatron started out as a pacifist intellectual who became a revolutionary who became a dictator. The representation of the Decepticons in the comics uses several iconographies based on the USSR, on covers, titles of chapters and images for example.
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gokaihearts35 · 5 years ago
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Analysis of Transformers fandom fanfictions
I decided to try to make an analysis of Transformers fanfictions in AO3:
What is the AO3:
Archive of Our Own (AO3) is a nonprofit open source repository for fanfiction contributed by users. The site was created in 2008 by the Organization for Transformative Works and went into open beta in 2009. As of May 2020, Archive of Our Own hosted 6 million works in over 36,700 fandoms. The site has received positive reception for its curation, organization and design, mostly done by readers and writers of fanfiction.
- Transformers Works Count by Fandoms:
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- Number of fanfictions per word count:
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- Ratings:
General Audiences (10834)
Teen And Up Audiences (10692)
Explicit (7143)
Mature (5571)
Not Rated (2292)
- Most popular Relationships on AO3 in number of fanfictions:
I tried to create a list of the most popular to least popular relationships on AO3 until it reached 10, but it is difficult to find less popular fanficitons on AO3, so I may have forgotten some relationships in the middle.
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gokaihearts35 · 5 years ago
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Thanks for the answer about the alphabet created by High Moon, but on this subject, tfwiki also doesn't have the following alphabets in it:
Cyberglyphics, which originated in the bay movies but are also used in the idw comics to represent old cybertronian
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There is also this alphabet of aligned continuity, which was used in a book
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Hi, I read that Torchbearer toys have texts based on an alphabet created by High Moon Studios for the War for Cybertron games, but I searched for and didn't find that alphabet on any site.
Yeah, I think we might not have that on the Wiki for some reason. Here it is:
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gokaihearts35 · 5 years ago
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VS Changer Memorial Set announced,  This is the first time they release a P-Bandai after the series ended.
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They seem to be centered on Kairi and Keiichiro's relationship.
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gokaihearts35 · 5 years ago
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gokaihearts35 · 6 years ago
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Noel's reaction to the kiss of Kairi and Keiichiro.
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gokaihearts35 · 6 years ago
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Kairi and Keiichiro kissing on a stage show!
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gokaihearts35 · 6 years ago
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👏 Stop👏Romanticizing👏Persephone 👏And 👏 Hades 👏 Relationship 👏
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gokaihearts35 · 6 years ago
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I'm going to miss this cast.
Source:
https://twitter.com/asahi_ito_0119/status/1116997442086420480
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gokaihearts35 · 6 years ago
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❝ You told me something, before. How you had to save me, since I was a fellow human being. That made me happy. ❞
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gokaihearts35 · 6 years ago
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I’ve finally found it. The rumored ““fan”” who shit on “hentai/harem” (ah.ah.ah. NO) /stay night for its sexism (understandable) and then… praise /Zero.
fucking Zero!
Now, I love Zero. Maybe more than stay night itself. But excuse me if “every female character exist to fuel a man pain/experience and the only one who doesn’t its psycologically, verbally and phisically beaten around for 4/6 volumes” is such a perfect shining better “less sexism” work because I call bullshit. What - the - hell.
Let’s see:
Maya, Natalia, Shirley, Iri (eventually Illya): dead or traumatized for Kiritsugu, his backstory, his goals.
Aoi, Sakura: its being abused/end up disabled for life, motivations for Kariya and fuel his hate for Zouken and Tokiomi
Aoi: exist. And talk to Rin, sometimes. Not sure if she talks to her husband.
Claudia: get fridged in Kirei’s backstory. She doesn’t even get a name in the novels/anime.
Sola Ui: Do I really need to spell this one out? She exist to destroy Lancer and Kayneth contract from the start.
Saber: her 4th War experince is so horrible she change her wish from “let’s try again” to “erase myself from existance forever and become a eternal slave for Alaya, let the sword find another one”
No, but tell me again how stay night is such horrible piece of shitty hentai sexist visual novel (four/six -skippable- sex scenes in a 60+ reading hours of content, GOT probably beat it in a single book) and Zero is magnificent and progressive. The best one can say it’s that Zero is more subtle. 
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gokaihearts35 · 6 years ago
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My opinion about the season 11 of Doctor Who
This season while I liked it, it's not one of my favorites, I feel like was missing something, some element in the stories and also about the companions is this: Yaz does not seem to be very important, in most episodes she seems to be only there, she seems very much a generic companion, the fact that she's a cop does not seem to matter, already Ryan even if is the least charismatic of his companions, he's a more rounded and important character in the dynamics of the series than Yaz and Graham is the best character in the season, the best actor, the most entertaining and moving character, he has the best speeches of the season. Already about the new Doctor, I like Jodie, she is a charismatic actress but the Doctor seems to have some strange scenes, her pacifism seems very exaggerated.
The dynamics between the characters seems to lack something, they do not argue much, their friendship seems very superficial, Clara and Doctor had a great and complex relationship, until the dynamics of the Doctor, Bill Nardole was better, this season the companions seem to only agree with the Doctor, they do not have deep conversations between them, they do not argue with her, I do not remember any scene this season of Doctor and his companions that they seem to be getting to know each other deeply, no important conversation between them, their relationships are just that they like the Doctor, I did not see them even knowing the Doctor, the dynamics of the characters seems very superficial, even being 4 characters they do not have a complex dynamic.
And the villains this season seem like a disappointment, they had no highlight or impact and were defeated very easily as if they were a later thought in writing the episodes. The best villains were those of the episode of India.About the episodes my favorites were those that were in the past.
1 - Demons of the Punjab
2 - Rosa
3 - The Witchfinders
4 - Kerblam!
5 - It Takes You Away
6 - The Woman Who Fell to Earth
7 - The Battle of Ranskoor Av Kolos
8 - The Tsuranga Conundrum
9 - Arachnids in the UK
10 - The Ghost Monument
My Top Season ( The best to worst)
9
4
8
5
10
3
1
6
2
7
11
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