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TGED WEBTOON EP 182 SPOILERS AND THOUGHTS AND OH MY GOD TGED IS ON HIATUS IT WONT BE BACK FOR LIKE. SO MANY WEEKS WHAT. WHAT WHAT WHAT WHAT. and more below the cut

at the end of the ep it's revealed that THIS EP WAS THE LAST OF THE SEASON and that they're going on hiatus and the FINAL SEASON (FINAL???) will be returning may 30th (may 29th for those of us in the west),,,, THAT IS SO MANY WEEKS AWAY. 12 WEEKS AWAY I CANT TAKE IT. here's a part of the spread that . was promoing kinda. IM SO.

AAAHHHH WHAT AM I GONNA DO FOR THE NEXT- okay well i know what im gonna do. tged thursdays arent going away

ill say at the top while im here lol im gonna be reading the novel up to the point where the manhwa is at until the manhwa comes back!! so my liveblogs will continue as normal hehe - that'll start next thursday, and i will be reading to ch 364 over the course of,,, 12 weeks,,,,,,,, thats still so crazy long to me,,, THREE MONTHS,,,,

frontera vs hell,,, frontera you better win or i will bawl and cry and sob and weep . IM SO HYPED THO,,, AAHHH!!

ok now to the thoughts on the ending spoiler ,,, hehe

the moment i got to this panel . i knew. famous last words lloyd. the even more fucked up part was that i was feeling the same way. like i knew that he would be in for a ride, but i was like "we've seen a good number of ending spoilers now,,, i am prepared for what we will face" especially since ending spoiler 3 was so ominous . BOY WAS I WRONG

THE IMMEDIATE CUT INTO THE DESTRUCTION OF THE ESTATE IS INSANE. right into it oh GOD AND LLOYDS EXPRESSIONS genuinely i loved all the expressions in this ep they were very good ,,,

and like the hell monsters too. actually fucking terrifying they look so otherworldly. THIS SHIT IS TERRIFYING,,, THEY LOOK HUGE

i really really love the creature designs in the manhwa, as sparse as they are,,, they aren't terribly complex but they fit well,,,, and the designs of these guys here are . SCARY SCARY SCARY its like a fucking apocalypse. jesus. the design of these monsters made me think oh god theyre hell creatures esp w the focus on helkaros recently and i ended up being right on that these r all creatures from hell . SCARY

ALSO JAVIER GETTING FUCKING BLASTED DOWN INTO THE GROUND FROM THE SKY HOLY SHIT NOOOOO JAVIER!!! GET UP GET UP!!!! AHHHHH

i like that lloyd reacted so viscerally to seeing javier getting hurt like that. he knows that these are visions he knows that these things havent happened and yet he yells his name and races to him anyway,,,,,,

AND THERE HE IS HELKAROS. honestly i didn't expect a full frontal assault like this, i figured helkaros would have tried to find a more efficient / hands free method,,, it could be that this attack takes place shortly after worthroad's attempt on the queen's life/sanity, but they managed to stop worthroad so helkaros decided "fuck it we ball" and went full firepower,,, the only reason i can see helkaros showing up personally like this is if lloyd Continues stopping helkaros' attempts to take lloyd, so i personally feel like we still have a lot of time before this happens (not a terrible amount tho,,, lloyd and javier still look to be the same age)

helkaros only having a SINGLE scratch on him is. a terrifying implication. NONE of javiers other attacks worked,,, only one, and it was probably the one with the demon king's blessing considering the color of the would is similar to the demon king power color. javier at his strongest and he can only land a single strike,,, TERRIFYINGGGG

and heres javier,,, christ,,, the most battered and bruised ive ever seen him tbh,,, HE LOST HIS HAIR SPROUT IN THE WARRR NOOO

javiers words indicate that helkaros did indeed come for lloyd,,, but that does make me wonder why the full frontal assault is necessary (especially since we see lloyd unscathed later). i think,,, helkaros is doing this to try and prove a point or something. and i think part of taking lloyd away is destroying what he holds dear so that he has nothing left,,, so that he gives up. ghhh,,,,

AND LLOYD'S REACTION TO THAT,,, AND TO HELKAROS ATTACKING JAVIER,,, AND HIM FINALLY REALIZING WHO THAT -1 IS REFERRING TO OH MY GODDD. HE LOOKS TERRIFIED. HE LOOKS FUCKING TERRIFIED

i figured that the -1 would refer to javier (it has to refer to someone who isn't supposed to die, and as far as we know, tkobai javier is destined to be left last alive and alone as he loses all his loved ones and drifts off) but seeing the realization/confirmation that it Has to be javier that is the -1 is haunting,,, god he looks so fucking scared, and worried,,,,

the worry still sitting on his face too as the future version of himself rushes in, ohhh lloyd,,,

here's the other part of why i think helkaros is specifically trying to force lloyd to give up ,,, bc helkaros succeeds. WAAAAHHHH TEARS CRYING SOBBING SNIFFLING

kim suho,,, the most tenacious, hardworking, dedicated man we have ever seen,,, the person who always finds a way, the person who has saved everyone on this estate,,, IS GIVING UP. THAT'S. INSANE. HE'S SURRENDERING???

"please forgive me" WHAT IS THERE TO FORGIVE? what has lloyd done? what does helkaros want from lloyd? we know the surface motivation of "oh, i want lloyd to work for me" but is there something more? okay, we know helkaros wants lloyd to Fully Give Up. he wants him to lose everything all over again. but is that all? why is lloyd giving up and begging for forgiveness?? pleading, begging, crying for mercy,,, oh my god. this is HAUNTING THIS IS HAUNTING. especially since he appears uninjured. i think helkaros put lloyd in a situation similar to the epic musical's Ruthlessness, where poseidon forces odysseus to watch almost his entire fleet fall. what conversation do they have,,, what lead to this? oh GODDD

EDIT - SOME ADDITIONAL THOUGHTS THAT I FORGOT TO ADD ABOUT HIM CRYING/SURRENDERING!! a mutual of mine, when we had read the episode, was wondering if he was truly crying or if he was fake crying, and that got me thinking, so i'll paste what i said here:

and the text in these msgs here, for readability:

the thing about the crying in front of the mermaid queen and raphael vs the crying in front of helkaros is the level of depth and severity; for the mermaid queen and raphael, there were only tears and words, and he never outright BOWED (for mermaid queen he was already "bowing" but jsut out of formality). nor did he plead to the extent that he did with helkaros, as when he asked raphael to stop he didnt offer surrender nor did he say he was in the wrong for opposing raphael. the thing about THIS cryin scene with helkaros is that he is begging, on his knees, bowing DEEPLY, apologizing, saying he'll give up he's done just please don't hurt the people i love,,,, we've never seen him do that before. we've seen him cry, we've never seen him surrender.

not once, not ONCE has suho ever given something up. when he wants to accomplish something, he goes for it with whatever means necessary. but now we see him at his wits end, pleading and begging. the most hardworking, relentless, tenacious man we know just gave up. THAT'S TERRIFYING

LIKE. KIM SUHO? GIVING UP? AT THAT POINT IT'S LIKE TRULY JOEVER.

ok end edit sorry HAHA i forgot to yap about this

AND THEN JAVIER REACHING FOR LLOYD STOP STOP STOPPPP AAAHHHH AAAHH I CANT TAKE THIS

even when he's this fucking beaten up he's reaching out to lloyd im so. WHAT THE HELL!!! WHAT THE HELL. i saw this and fucking gasped oh my god. AND IDK ABT U GUYS BUT I FEEL LIKE ITS SIMILAR TO THIS PANEL OF LLOYD AFTER THE JEWEL OF TRUTH LIKE

ARE YOU KIDDING ME. ARE YOU KIDDING ME the hand reaching out the claustrophobically close shot IM DONE FOR YOUVE KILLED ME

and then helkaros,,, kills lloyd,,,,,,,, i think this is bc helkaros wants to directly be there to grab lloyd's soul (aka suho). god this spread shot is so. OMINOUS AND SCARY the glow of the glasses and in the distance his HEAD IM SO??? WHAT THE SHIT

it was pointed out too by one of my mutuals (saakokw on twitter) that lloyd's death is the exact same as lupellans, way back at the beginning; they both got beheaded,,, WHAT THE FUCK!!! INSANE INSANE INSANE CALLBACK jesus christ jesus christ

AND THE STORY RESETS? IT. AAHHH??? though i suppose it makes sense that, if we treat the story/lorasia as a program, it constantly running into bugs prevents the story from finishing,,, but fixing the bug means okay yay let's recompile and start from the top,,, something like that. idk,,,

but even though it resets suho doesn't get to "reset" with it . that's so fucked up. this panel and the closeup on his soul (RIPPED IN HALF???) is so fucking haunting holy fucking shit.

this, genuinely, is probably suho's worst fucking nightmare. losing everything, AGAIN, and forced to work without a single shred of hope in sight, AGAIN. THIS IS NIGHTMARISH

my mind is stuck too on how he's just. in HALF. like okay we've seen full souls before (the og lloyd frontera) and while he didn't have legs either it wasn't like,,, this,,, it was just wispy and like, it was more at his waist than at the middle of the torso. however,, suho is genuinely just fucking torn at the middle there. oh my god.

my other mutual Sprout (javierscowlick on twitter) pointed out that this probably implies he tried to escape, and wasn't successful,,, ofc he would try to escape this is his personal hell for him,,,

that's his SOUL too, keep that in mind. his literal EXISTENCE is ripped in half. is he even conscious? does he remember anything? what did he lose from this? this is actually fucking terrifying . this isn't just losing parts of ur body, but probably parts of ur fucking MIND oh my god. brutal,,, so fucking brutal. HELKAROS EAT SHIT AND EXPLODE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

something i am very happy to see (in the midst of all these scary terrifying implications) is that lloyd's first response after reaching the end of the vision,,, is anger. visceral anger.

the reason im happy to see this reaction is bc it's not the reaction of someone who has truly given up on everything. he's angry and dissatisfied and upset about what he's seen,,, he's not even close to giving up! he's rightfully mad,,, helkaros has no right to take the things he's worked so hard to protect, to take the people he's come to love,,, he worked so hard for this he's not gonna lose it all again to an entitled hell god. GET HIS ASS!!!

this does make me wonder how they're gonna go about it,,, it has been mentioned that the other great powers of lorasia include the dragon king and the archangels,,, and he already has verkis on his side! technically. kinda,,, maybe that's the angle they need to go for? or maybe they need to find a way to appease / stop helkaros before he gets impatient enough to commit to a frontal attack,,, it's hard to say. there's not a lot of hints,,,

ok well actually there's a couple little things i wanna point out,,, the panel i put at the top of this liveblog is actually part of a really long spread that shows many of the character's we've met so far (plus javier and alicia) fighting against hell's monsters! it looks really cool (i really recommend looking at the full thing its pretty sick)

the monsters themselves look incredibly scary, almost alienlike or xenomorphic. it's completely opposed to the style of monster that would fit in the medieval fantasy europe type setting that lorasia is established to be,,, i think that works well with setting them apart from what they've faced before (like these are HELL monsters).

and at the top of the spread, we actually see something really big, and probably really significant: an eclipse!

it could be that the eclipse is their deadline, or something like that. or maybe the eclipse is caused by whatever helkaros is doing,,, either way the emphasis on this is really important i think, a chekhov's gun imo - the adapter and artist likely wouldn't have put it there if it wasn't important. im so curious as to the significance of it,,,

,,, but we wont know til may 29th. AAAAAAAAAHHHHH AAAAAAA

what a cliffhanger right. insane . THIS IS THE FINAL SEASON TOO THATS CRAZY,,, we really are in the endgame now guys. HOLY SHIT.

i was told too that this ending spoiler was done completely differently from the novel,,, makes me excited to read the novel,,, and also i am curious as to whether they will change even more beyond this point. either way,,, exciting,,,

i think that's all,,, it's been a really fun journey reading tged and i am super happy i decided to write my thoughts out on it as i read! i've never done liveblogs like this before but i am having a great time!!! and i hope everyone who has read them had fun too hehe

i will see u guys next week (or maybe this weekend, depends on how my work goes) with a post abt my thoughts on chs 1-30 of the novel (im starting from the top again since its been a while lol)!!! see y'all then!!!

#the greatest estate developer #lloyd frontera #tged spoilers #tged javier #javier asrahan #tged #worlds best engineer #nooooo #how can i live laugh love in these conditions #hiatus #helkaros #there is an empty place in my heart only Lloyd Frontera can fill

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