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Hello, I hope you and your family are well. Can you please help me recycle the post on my account? 🌺 And help rescue my family from the war in Gaza? 🙏 Thank you.

https://gofund.me/1a1829cd

€6,917 / €38,000 goal

Dangerously low funds!

I'm afraid I cannot help financially, but I will certainly help where I can to raise awareness.

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i gotta say, giving a character the trait of "fucking loves mythological literature" is baller and giving it to osiris is fucking awesome

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Ah, yes, I didn't include this one since this was Savathun disguised at Osiris. It's still accurate, but I try to stick to stuff from the real Osiris in these regards :)

Just want to address something really quick: I've been seeing a weird increase in people who think Guardians age.

This is. Factually not the case and is indeed a very important plot point of Zavala's past.

Some other notable lore entries that talk imply it or outright state it:

A small band of humans emerge from the woods at Osiris's flank. Some carry rust-laden firearms. The one who leads them jaunts forward. "Stand up, old man." The words are slung over his shoulder, wet and heavy. "No." (5: Moths to Flame Part II)

Saladin Circa Dark Ages vs. Saladin at Present

Osiris (and Ikora!) Early City Era (~200 years ago) Vs. Osiris at Present

And, if you haven't set aside time to rewatch Zavala's story then there's this: He has remained the same through hundreds of generations.

It's not "headcanon" if you think otherwise it is directly in opposition to why guardians are the way they are and how they function. Genuinely I have no idea where this idea of Guardians aging came from but it completely defeats the purpose of many tragedies and driving forces Guardians face because of their unaging immortality.

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:/

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The Sundial's Core

So way back in April last year I made this post. The TL;DR of it is that I was theorizing what the heart of the Sundial was made out of and promptly settled on "darkness" and "taken energy". Now that we're further into the story and the Darkness itself I think I've finally pinpointed Exactly what it was and why this is a bad omen:

Let's begin.

So here are key descriptors of what the heart of the Sundial is:

"The Sundial is my greatest creation and my greatest regret. What I had to do to forge it I can never take back. As a result, it has components that consume Light. And if you're serious about operating it again, you'll need to feed it. Nothing is free. Ever." —Osiris

Recharging the Sundial

Drifter walked to the central spire and put his ear up against it. “This core…” he said, leaning close. His eyes darted back to Osiris. “It’s whispering.” Osiris’s expression didn’t change; his arms didn’t uncross. “We’ll seal the core away. I understand the ramifications.” “Good luck keeping that contained. Not something I would bargain with, hotshot.” Drifter stood up and beckoned his Ghost with two fingers. It floated earthward and unleashed a holographic array of statistics along the Sundial deck.

The Sundial

It eats Light, it whispers, and it's something even Drifter wouldn't bargain with. A lot of people at the time (wrongly) assumed it was an Ahamkara bone that Osiris used. Which... didn't make sense in my eyes. Sure Ahamkaras ascend after death but they aren't something Drifter would be nervous about. Additionally Ahamkaras, as we know now (and even then) are not the only things that whisper.

The Darkness tends to have the market on whispering.

Alright I know you're wondering why the Sundial would be relevant right now at all. I have two answers.

Osiris is on the poster for Lightfall, meaning he'll be relevant to the story. (And, I cannot stress this enough, awake.)

This quote from Falcon's Chase: "I think I hear the fluttering of wings, but the hum of the Sundial gives no direction."

Why would Bungie bring up the Sundial in such a seemingly random place in one of the very few loretabs we have of Osiris's current perspective?

I think this is the answer: We're going to learn what the core of the Sundial is. Not only that, but I believe I have a reasonable answer already.

The core of the Sundial is a piece of Nezarec.

Following this week's story, it was revealed that Nezarec was a disciple of the witness, not only that but he was the one who piloted the pyramid on the moon.

The signs of the Sundial having a piece of Nezarec are all there: dangerously powerful, whispering, and apparently it had ramifications that Osiris was even uncertain of.

I think the reason the Sundial was mentioned in Falcon's Chase is because that loretab was released a season before Nezarec's reveal. Additionally I think it's somehow linked to Osiris's unnatural coma.

What this means for the future I'm not quite sure, but what I do know is that a piece of Nezarec powering the Sundial would explain how he was able to power it at all. My speculation of it being Oryx's heart in the past wasn't quite far off: it needed something powerful, something Dark, and especially something paracausal.

As for Osiris... I can't help but wonder if there's going to be something related to Nezarec in order to free him from his coma.

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I would like to add, now that we've progressed past Lightfall and The Final Shape. Now that we know Darkness and Memory are bound, wouldn't it make much more sense for the heart of the Sundial to be a Darkness artifact? If memory is darkness, and time is memory, the best way to traverse time would be to access that memory.

The likelihood of it being a part of Nezarec is much higher now that we know nightmares (memories) were tied to his psychic abilities. The core being made of an Ahamkara, especially given Riven's teasing of Osiris in Wish, makes no sense. It has never made sense once you really deconstructed it in the first place.

The Sundial's Core

So way back in April last year I made this post. The TL;DR of it is that I was theorizing what the heart of the Sundial was made out of and promptly settled on "darkness" and "taken energy". Now that we're further into the story and the Darkness itself I think I've finally pinpointed Exactly what it was and why this is a bad omen:

Let's begin.

So here are key descriptors of what the heart of the Sundial is:

"The Sundial is my greatest creation and my greatest regret. What I had to do to forge it I can never take back. As a result, it has components that consume Light. And if you're serious about operating it again, you'll need to feed it. Nothing is free. Ever." —Osiris

Recharging the Sundial

Drifter walked to the central spire and put his ear up against it. “This core…” he said, leaning close. His eyes darted back to Osiris. “It’s whispering.” Osiris’s expression didn’t change; his arms didn’t uncross. “We’ll seal the core away. I understand the ramifications.” “Good luck keeping that contained. Not something I would bargain with, hotshot.” Drifter stood up and beckoned his Ghost with two fingers. It floated earthward and unleashed a holographic array of statistics along the Sundial deck.

The Sundial

It eats Light, it whispers, and it's something even Drifter wouldn't bargain with. A lot of people at the time (wrongly) assumed it was an Ahamkara bone that Osiris used. Which... didn't make sense in my eyes. Sure Ahamkaras ascend after death but they aren't something Drifter would be nervous about. Additionally Ahamkaras, as we know now (and even then) are not the only things that whisper.

The Darkness tends to have the market on whispering.

Alright I know you're wondering why the Sundial would be relevant right now at all. I have two answers.

Osiris is on the poster for Lightfall, meaning he'll be relevant to the story. (And, I cannot stress this enough, awake.)

This quote from Falcon's Chase: "I think I hear the fluttering of wings, but the hum of the Sundial gives no direction."

Why would Bungie bring up the Sundial in such a seemingly random place in one of the very few loretabs we have of Osiris's current perspective?

I think this is the answer: We're going to learn what the core of the Sundial is. Not only that, but I believe I have a reasonable answer already.

The core of the Sundial is a piece of Nezarec.

Following this week's story, it was revealed that Nezarec was a disciple of the witness, not only that but he was the one who piloted the pyramid on the moon.

The signs of the Sundial having a piece of Nezarec are all there: dangerously powerful, whispering, and apparently it had ramifications that Osiris was even uncertain of.

I think the reason the Sundial was mentioned in Falcon's Chase is because that loretab was released a season before Nezarec's reveal. Additionally I think it's somehow linked to Osiris's unnatural coma.

What this means for the future I'm not quite sure, but what I do know is that a piece of Nezarec powering the Sundial would explain how he was able to power it at all. My speculation of it being Oryx's heart in the past wasn't quite far off: it needed something powerful, something Dark, and especially something paracausal.

As for Osiris... I can't help but wonder if there's going to be something related to Nezarec in order to free him from his coma.

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it tickles me when i see people call osiris ikora's grandpa. that woman is too old and that man is too young for that to be the case

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myu old man yaoi

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as someone who adores osiris - yeah don't say that shit here. you didn't have to add this tag 💀 read the room

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— enough

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Osiris + Eyes

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had a dream that I met a wizard and we fell in love and became unhealthily attached to each other so we decided to meld into one single creature together but the process was horrifically slow and painful and most of the dream was us lying in bed holding hands while lesions opened up in our skin and seeped out blue and green fluid and the wizard said "this is going to take a very very long time" and I said "that's ok"

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Just a little tidbit that the painting Spider is looking at here

is a Monet. "The Artist's Garden at Giverny"

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also shin malphur is an outlier seeing as he was lightless when he aged.

Just want to address something really quick: I've been seeing a weird increase in people who think Guardians age.

This is. Factually not the case and is indeed a very important plot point of Zavala's past.

Some other notable lore entries that talk imply it or outright state it:

A small band of humans emerge from the woods at Osiris's flank. Some carry rust-laden firearms. The one who leads them jaunts forward. "Stand up, old man." The words are slung over his shoulder, wet and heavy. "No." (5: Moths to Flame Part II)

Saladin Circa Dark Ages vs. Saladin at Present

Osiris (and Ikora!) Early City Era (~200 years ago) Vs. Osiris at Present

And, if you haven't set aside time to rewatch Zavala's story then there's this: He has remained the same through hundreds of generations.

It's not "headcanon" if you think otherwise it is directly in opposition to why guardians are the way they are and how they function. Genuinely I have no idea where this idea of Guardians aging came from but it completely defeats the purpose of many tragedies and driving forces Guardians face because of their unaging immortality.

[infinitewarden]

Just want to address something really quick: I've been seeing a weird increase in people who think Guardians age.

This is. Factually not the case and is indeed a very important plot point of Zavala's past.

Some other notable lore entries that talk imply it or outright state it:

A small band of humans emerge from the woods at Osiris's flank. Some carry rust-laden firearms. The one who leads them jaunts forward. "Stand up, old man." The words are slung over his shoulder, wet and heavy. "No." (5: Moths to Flame Part II)

Saladin Circa Dark Ages vs. Saladin at Present

Osiris (and Ikora!) Early City Era (~200 years ago) Vs. Osiris at Present

And, if you haven't set aside time to rewatch Zavala's story then there's this: He has remained the same through hundreds of generations.

It's not "headcanon" if you think otherwise it is directly in opposition to why guardians are the way they are and how they function. Genuinely I have no idea where this idea of Guardians aging came from but it completely defeats the purpose of many tragedies and driving forces Guardians face because of their unaging immortality.