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I quite agree with this to this extent:

The issue is not cut and dried. Not based on the text as we have it. There are only realistic candidates for The Prince that was Promised: Jon and Daenerys. Of the two, at this point in the series, the balance of the evidence seems to support Daenerys more than Jon (that is my view of it anyhow). However, those who argue for Jon are not deluded and seeing things that don't exist. There is canonical evidence ointing to Jon as well. And I feel the ambiguity on this by GRRM is intentional. Of course there is also the complicating factor of "three heads has the dragon" which may mean that TPtwP may not be one person (although it could also mean that TPtwP has two crucial allies who can ride dragons too).

As for Melisandre's visions, they certainly can indicate that Jon is Azor Ahai. However, they may also be indications of the most rapid path to Azor Ahai for her. Hence they first take her to Stannis--who, against all odds, ends up meeting Jon and working with him. Then they now lead her to Jon, who may--against all odds again--end up meeting Daenerys and working with her. So there is room for interpretation here.

Adding to the this indications in first season of House of the Dragon seem to point quite strongly in the direction of Daenerys--if it is a single person.

I understand that there is a sizable amount of Jon stans whose delusions can be aggravating. Trust me, I’ve come across my fair share of people who think that the sun rises only for Jon Snow and no one else. But, it’s really annoying when certain sections of this fandom act like reading Jon as Azor Ahai is a result of Jon fans making shit up. No, we’re not. We’re literally reading what the text is telling us. We’re not reading into it, we’re reading it straight up. Mel’s singular ADWD chapter is literally just: hey Mel pay attention to Jon Snow, also there’s random stuff happening all over Westeros, and also pay extra attention to Jon Snow.

Mel’s visions are absolutely correct. What’s not correct is how she interprets them to fit an agenda/make herself appear more credible to others (Jon, Stannis). We already know exactly what this looks like when she sees towers being submerged in water, says it’s Eastwatch by the Sea when asked, even though in her head she’s like “oh it can’t be Eastwatch because that place doesn’t look like that”.

ADWD shows us that Mel looks into her fires searching for Azor Ahai and sees “only Snow”. There’s no other way of reading that other than “oh yeah if Mel is specifically looking for Azor Ahai and is seeing Jon Snow, then Jon is the Azor Ahai she’s looking for”. And the gag with this is Mel’s entire purpose, her existence, is to find Azor Ahai. But she completely misidentifies him so when she encounters the real deal, she’s in far too deep to make the obvious and necessary pivot. And it’s even funnier (and I think that’s what GRRM is going for) when there’s nothing special about Mel’s chosen hero Stannis, but there’s a lot that is special about the one she’s ignoring: Jon. Mel literally tells Jon “you’re a super special magic boy let’s make babies because of how super special you are, and these babies will be even more powerful than the ones I made with Stannis” but at the same time being like “yeah mr not-that-special Stannis is totally the guy I’m looking for”.

Plus, Mel’s “only Snow” is quite literally reaffirmed in Jon XII when he dreams himself atop the wall, armored in ice, and wielding LIGHTBRINGER. This isn’t some ordinary flaming sword. This sword burns “red in his fist”, which literally equates it to “the red sword of heroes” - Azor Ahai’s sword. Not only that but Mel’s ptwp is definitely going to be reborn. She has visions about a grey girl on a dying horse WHICH IS TRUE!! What’s not true is this girl being Arya. It’s Alys Karstark. She then has visions about daggers in the dark, which again happens!! Read the last few pages of Jon XIII ADWD. The one that hasn’t come yet but will (based on Jon XIII) is a “promised prince born amidst salt and smoke”. There’s a reason why GRRM included these things in the narrative. And there’s a reason why they happen sequentially. So unless Winds comes out and GRRM is like sike forget that ever happened, it’s pretty safe to assume that Jon is Azor Ahai.

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Remember back in July & August 2017 when Jon & Daenerys finally met & actually fell in love? & everyone was happy anticipating a marriage & boat baby, if not ruling Westeros together? Those were good times. Well they were nice while they lasted.

Oh anon, those were the days, weren’t they? But! We really should’ve known better!

After all, Jon and Daenerys had nothing in common!

(credit to @midqueenally​)

There was no reason to ever think they might marry…

There was no reason to think they might have children!

And it’s not like HBO advertised or promoted the pairing with misleading ‘Dragon and the Wolf’ sigils…

We were given no reason to believe Jon and Daenerys were the union of ice and fire. There was barely any emphasis put on their pairing at all!

Lastly? It’s not like we had the writers personally assuring us that Dany wasn’t insane or sadistic like her father.

Oh… wait a second…

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The story is told about Tamerlane and his promise to the defenders of Sivas that 'no blood would be shed' if they surrendered. When they did, Tamerlane allegedly ordered that all 4,000 of them be buried alive, pointing out that technically, he was not shedding any blood. Aeron may have agreed with that.

hELP goodbrother and murenmure really going yeah i'm not touching that

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Since I am watching this too, I'd say this probably shouldn't be a surprise. Lanfear is at the absolute maximum of channeling power that any female has ever or can ever attain.

By the official scale, she is two levels above Nyneave at her maximum, seven levels above Egwene at her maximum, and 12 levels over both Moiraine and Siuan. And that is just raw power. There is skill on top of that.

Moiraine opening the Waygate:

Lanfear opening the Waygate:

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Early mornings… don’t go yet?

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Alternate Game of Thrones Ending by Kalisamiii on Instagram

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An excellent response @aboveallarescuer .

Let us add to it the very first episode of House of the Dragon puts the Prince that was Promised prophecy (this is the Targaryen prophecy, unlike the Azor Ahai prophecy that is believed by the followers of the Red god) back on the table, after season 8 of GoT simply ignored it.

Note that Aegon the conqueror's vision, and it being callef the "Song of Ice and Fire" has not been mentioned in the source material of Fire and Blood. In fact that phrase (which is the name of the whole saga) had never been given an explicit meaning in canon. Now we know that it is an alternate name for The Prince that was Promised prophecy.

The fact above can single handedly refute much of the argument given above. Given the meaning of "The song of Ice and Fire" and the centrality of the Prince that was Promised prophecy as the overarching prophecy of the entire series, it is clear that D&D could very easily change massive plot points from the books. THeir story has diverged so much from the source material that the core prophecy of the series, around which the whole saga is named, is simply ignored... probably because it makes no sense with the narrative they came up with (note that until season 7 they were still mentioning the prophecy, they only dropped it in season 8).

I still think there’s a chance Dany doesn’t become a villain in the books because her characterization IS different in the show but I don’t think it’s really fair to claim the only reasons people think she’ll become a villain are misogyny and hatred of her and desire to see her get a bad ending. Yes there are Dany haters and misogynists who believe this but those are not the only reasons.

I love Dany. What I desire for her is not necessarily what I believe will happen in the story. I’m still split on what I think will happen and I’m keeping an open mind. What I want for Dany is a happy ending where she is loved and can live in peace. If I was in charge of the story, I’d have Dany participate in the battle against the Others and, in the process, really get to know and understand the people of Westeros and realize that claiming the throne could not happen peacefully. I want her to choose the path she wants deep down and not the path she was told is owed to her. She does not seem to particularly enjoy ruling. Based on my interpretation, what Dany wants is a home. She wants love and acceptance and belonging. But growing up with Viserys she’s come to believe that she is owed the throne and has a duty to rule and she doesn’t know what else to do. This isn’t because I think she’d be a bad ruler (it is hard to judge who would it wouldn’t be a good ruler when they’re young teenagers). I just don’t think it would lead to a happy ending for her. I don’t want the IT for ANY of my favs.

However. This is just what I WANT for her. There are many things in the show that are clearly made up completely by D&D, like replacing Jeyne Poole with Sansa. However, I don’t think something as major as Daenerys, one of the main characters who has been presented as a hero thus far, destroying King’s Landing is something D&D would just pull out of their asses. It’s just such a major event that effects literally every other surviving main character. It’s hard for me to buy the idea that villain Daenerys isn’t an idea that GRRM at least floated to them. It was super rushed and poorly executed, as was the rest of the show. But it’s just hard to buy the idea that these men whom GRRM trusted would do something that entirely betrays his ideas for the story. And GRRM REALLY had faith in them. He did NOT want there to be an adaption of his series but they won him over. I do NOT want this to be the trajectory of Daenerys’s character but I just can’t pretend it’s not a very real possibility.

And then there’s the original outline. Yes, many things have changed since then. But George refers to Dany as a “threat.” This demonstrates that at least at one point, he has toyed with the idea of her ultimately posing as an antagonistic force to Westeros. Is this enough evidence to say without a shadow of a doubt that this is what George will do? No I don’t think so. Not a single one of us can say what he’s going to do with this story. There’s also a very real chance that Winds is taking so long because he decided to make major changes after seeing how GoT was received by the public but I’d like to think he has more integrity than that. But again, I just don’t know.

I want Daenerys to be a hero. The ending she got in the show was so, so tragic and would be heart wrenching if it had been executed well. As a big ol Jon lover, I don’t want that ending for him either. There are characters who are obviously on different trajectories based on major changes the show made to events (Sansa), characterization (Arya), or statements GRRM made (Jaime). But I just can’t say for sure that that’s true of Daenerys. If any other Daenerys fans who are 100% convinced without a show of a doubt that she will remain strictly a hero, I would love it if you’d add onto this post and tell me why!

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Hey, Jonerys shippers. Remember when boat sex happened and we were all hopeful and happy?

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To be fair, I’ll give them this much: It didn’t start out hating Jonerys or Daenerys.However from the moment it became claer that Jonerys was canon, it was very much along these lines. What else can I do but point to the “Political Jon” theories that were essentially treated as canon by some of the biggest names in this fandom. Or essays comparing the number of words used between Jon/Dany vs. Jon/Sansa. The writer of the last essay may even possibly be the author of a self-published book attacking Daenerys, written after the show ended.

“ The thing about the Jonsa “experience” is that it’s not centered around hating Jonerys ” - a Tumblr Jonsa fan

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Found this awesome fanart. A kind of alternate end to season 8.

I tried to find the creator and the article the pictures came from said they were made by Midjourney artificial intelligence on Reddit. If that's not true please let me know.

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The dragons are gone

Not all of them

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@unburntdragonqueen​ My honest advice, not that you asked for it, is to not see it. Once you see it you cannot unsee it. Believe me, I wish I hadn’t seen it. It is far easier to enjoy headcanon without having seen it. Or if you must, then avoid seeing it beyond 8x03. 

You probably will see it though. In which case I wonder if you’ll agree that this was good advice?

I'm on season 7 of game of thrones I've never been so terrified of something as much as I am of season 8 and I'm getting too close, I already know some of the things that happen one of them I know I will cry my heart out, bc it's Daenerys my beloved but I'm mostly nervous to see if people were right by saying that it was very bad, I've seen people say season 7 was bad and so far I'm enjoying it, so we'll see I guess