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The tags are the best part
So were the devs at chunsoft going through something when they made Gates to Infinity
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The State department has changed LGBTQ to LGB.
If you claim to care about trans people now is a good time to show genuine ally ship.
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While taking a nap today I dreamt there was a hazard sign called "never found" which was used to indicate a location where people disappeared never to be seen again
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captain afab is honestly a very relatable character because whomst among us does not have some great beast that has eluded us all our lives. mine, for instance, is a decent night's sleep.
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i just finished the wwdits finale and i see some people defending the show against queerbait allegations and i thought that i would make something clear. a show can absolutely queerbait even if those characters are canonically queer. i’ve been watching wwdits for a while (since the 4th season dropped) and i got into because the marketing around the show had nandor and guillermo be the will they won’t they sitcom couple. the show purposefully market itself as queer when we see no mlm of wlw couple that has established screen time other than the episode with freddie. they purposefully marketed a queer couple that they did not intend to go through with and despite the characters themselves being queer, the show runners queerbaited because queerbait has to do with marketing. Personally, it truly does feel that they should have ended after season five because the season five arc was more grounded and had a more emotionally fulfilling ending. i truly did not need them together but i wanted emotional closure to their relationship. i understand that the great tragedy of vampires is that they never change. im a slut for anne rice vampires who could not get more messy. however they did establish arcs for the vampires that they just gave up on such as nandors search for love and his resentment towards being a vampire. a better ending could have had nandor using his last djinn wishes to become human and have guillermo and him go off to start their lives together (it doesn’t even have to be romantic this would give more payoff to these characters arcs). if we think about mockumentory comedies (abbot elementary, the office) or even just popular sitcoms (friends, b99, new girl) there is a central couple that entices viewers to watch (janie/gregory, pam/jim, ross/rachel, amy/jake, nick/jess) these characters aren’t together at the beginning of the show and you get to watch the progression of their relationship and wwdits established nandor and guillermo as their shows couple. i think it’s completely fair to levy the accusation of queerbait just due to the formula of these shows and the marketing of nandor and guillermo being a slowburn romance.
i don’t know how to end this other than i’m disappointed. once i calm down ill probably just write a fix-it-fic as in the true fandom way.
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"Wow omg you drawwwww? I wish I was a drawer soooo bad omg I suckkkk so bad at arrrt"
me:
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Ive tried to get my feelings about Moominvalley s4 into words, but im having a really hard time even accepting them. But ill try!
So here's my thoughts in Moominvalley s4.
Im 23 now and i remember being 12 - 15 figuring out my identity, and the only "representation" in mrdia being basically either "Bury your gays" trope or just queerbaiting. I grew up on a base level thinking i wasnt allowed to exist, and if i still dared to, tragedy would be my only birth right.
I believed i wasnt allowed to live a happy, soft AND queer life, cause no media i had seen had ever showed me that, that was a possibility.
Both the 90's Moomin series and Moominvalley 2019 are my comfort shows. I fall asleep to them at night, i listen to them like a podcast while im working or outside, they even calm my panic attacks. I collect cups, plushies, i collect the Comics and even some of the books.
I have 3 Moomin tattoos. This universe means a damn lot to me, and to thousands of ppl world wide.
As a queer person i find incredible comfort in Tove Janssons work, and you have to be a fool to be unable to see the way Snufkin and Moomintroll are written together.
I have been following this show since early 2020 and have watched interview to interview, ive listened to the podcast more times than i can count, and they knew what they were doing.
From the beginning of the show they deliberately wrote Snufkin and Moomin to be something more, they even confess In a BTS that their Moomin might like Snufkin more than Snorkmaiden. Even the podcast talked about it!! We are not crazy!!!
I feel incredibly gaslit by the entire situation, and suddenly im 14 again being told im reading too much into it.
Idk what happened inbetween S3 and 4, but it felt like all the love and care that came from the show, just disappeared?
Ignoring Snufmin for a second, every episode this season felt like a filler. It has no plot, followed up on nothing from the last seasons, and had an extreme amount of loose ends.
The former seasons, especially s1 and 2 has such amazing writting, character development and just a feeling of patience and of softness, i would watch it and think everything would be okay... But this season felt stripped of every inch of the care Tove Jansson put into her universe.
I want to talk a little about Moomintroll.
One of Moomins character Arcs is his want to grow up, its his need to be taken seriously and his need for independence and adventure. His need to step out of his dads shadow, and to be his own moomin! The character development he had built up through out the seasons, completely and utterly disappeared. There is no trace of anything in s4.
He is right back to where he started in s1, not being able to stand up for himself and say no, not having the confidence to go on adventures and right back to idealizing his dad. If anything this entire season felt like a prequal! Cause at least s1 Moomintroll wanted to learn, and was activily trying to change.
Moomintroll truly felt like a side character this season, i dont even think he has any important moments. Unless you count Comet in Moominvalley (which i dont), where all his independence has disappeared. Moominpapa literally has to push him out. He made one decision that eps, which was to float down the river instead of walking, which ended up being the wrong and slower way.
The regression Moomintroll went threw this season is heartbreaking, and thats not my Moomin.
Focusing for a bit on Snufkin, this season felt like a slap to the face.
They know that Snufkin is one of their most popular characters right? If not the most popular. If anything he is at least in the top 3, not only in Moominvalley but in the rest of the moominverse.
So why did this season feel like Snufkin erasure?
He was barely in it, and when he was all of that glow that normally radiats from him was all gone. He felt like the husk of a character.
This version of Snufkin was on of my favs, cause you could actually see his flaws and disagree with his actions. He had room to grow, and he did, he truly did.
He learned from Moomin just like Moomin learned from him. Their characters Arcs co align witch each other, their relationship and interactions are the pillars of the entire show. Snufkin and Moomintroll are what make the show proceed.
Finding the 2019 show for the first time as an 18 year old gave me confirmation and trust, that i was allowed to live a soft and slow life as a queer person. If Moomintroll and Snufkin could have that kind of beautiful queer slow burn romance, then i had a chance to as well.
They knew that a big part of their viewers are queer, and they knew how popular Snufmin was. They knew what kind of ppl they attracted, or they wouldnt have made it like that.
All the soft moments, the longing, the zoom in on eye contact, the zoom in on hand holding. They said trust us, they said be patient, and then they threw everything they had been building up out and set fire to it.
We got Queerbaited, and i truly havnt felt this feeling for a while. We got actual queer shows now, ofc they all end up being cancelled! But they exist!
This show felt like it was crafted with so much love and care, that i completely let my guard down. The entire queer Moomin community did a 5 year long trustfall, just to hit the floor the last second.
Season 4 of Moominvalley felt empty. It felt lost of all care and love. The first 3 seasons felt handcrafted by warm hands, season 4 felt machine made. Easy to digest, with no real soul.
Season 4 of Moominvalley feels souless.
I have chosen to live in a world where Comet in Moominvalley is a prequal to s4 and that s4 is a prequal to s1. The true last season was S3 and Moominvalley ended with Snufkin and Moomin walking arm in arm. Thats the only way i can Rationalize everything.
I have so much more to say, but ill stop here for now. Hope all of you are doing okay<3
#moominvalley#I feel the same way#I also watched a lot of the podcasts and videos they put out and they acknowledged both the ship and the fans behind it#and all of that build up went nowhere#they said early on that we’d have to wait and watch things play out#and this was what it amounted to#queerbaiting in 2024?#I’m so disappointed#especially since there’s been so much going on where I live regarding gay rights and expression#and this show has been a comfort show#that said everyone is welcome in Moominvalley#and up until season 3 it went so far with this beautiful queer narrative#only to toss it out the window#and the stuff that’s been going on in the world over here lately#mixed with this#Moominvalley of all shows pulling this#it sends a message#that’s all I can say on that#because now it’s not that everyone is welcome#it’s that they’re welcome until they’ve made the company enough money#and I don’t think Tove would be for this either#and those are just my thoughts on the queerbaiting side of it#narratively it doesn’t work either#narratively it’s disappointing too
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I read Papa in Matt Berry’s voice and it sent me-
never tell your dads about your crushes guys
(I KNOW MOOMINVALLEY SEASON 4 CAME OUT IM IN THE MIDDLE OF WATCHING IT please no spoilers, all this was drawn before i started as well so if its aged like milk i’m so sorry)
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Moominvalley and Snufmin
S4 Spoilers Under Cut
I’m so disappointed in how they handled Snufkin and Moomintroll this season. I had my worries, but I also had a lot of hope. They did deliberately put in those interactions. The team also kept reacting to mentions of Snufmin with winks and nudges in interviews and videos they put out. It makes me wonder what the point was. I genuinely feel like this was queerbaiting. And I don’t want to use that term because it doesn’t feel like one to use lightly. Even more so since I had such a great love for Moominvalley’s other seasons. Especially 1 and 2. It was genuinely really beautiful and soft and had such lovely queer undertones and moments. But I think it’s more than fair to say that the team knew about the reactions and how many people were introduced to it via Snufkin x Moomin. And they seemingly used that. They gave us build up but didn’t follow through. When it came down to it, they shrugged it off and didn’t address it at all. It felt so removed from Season 4. And I think that that, in essence, is queerbaiting. Because if you keep nodding to something throughout a series, using it to keep your audience waiting for the ‘inevitable’ conclusion to it that’ll certainly play out by the time the story ends only to snatch it away once you’ve secured your viewers and money, that is what that is. And I honestly expected better from the studio. If they weren’t going to commit, then they shouldn’t have kept bringing hopes up and making it seem like the direction it would go in.
(forgive the essay in the tags- I was thinking so many things)
#moominvalley season 4#snufmin#moominvalley#snufkin#Moomin#thoughts#I don’t feel fully great talking about it#because I’m so used to the ‘well why does it have to be gay’ comments with other media#and I worry that it sounds entitled#but they really incredibly HEAVILY leaned into the potential for snufmin#as early as season 1#there are so many shows where I think ‘wow I like [pairing]’ and smile when they interact#and I think ‘haha they’re so in love’ lightheartedly#but I know with those shows that it isn’t endgame or even the direction they’re going in#it’s just a nice thing to enjoy as a fan#but Snufkin and Moomin in Moominvalley weren’t like that#there was reason to believe it could happen#and that’s not just me imagining#there were so many decisions that deliberately framed it as possible#that many people really believed it could#they’ve had a very special dynamic since the original series#I don’t know#I’m having trouble putting further thoughts into words here#but yeah#it’s one of those shows that had so much reason to believe it
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Just thinking about Moominvalley and everything with Snufkin and Moomin. The team knows what they’re doing. The stuff they say in QnAs. And the music choices from the earlier seasons! I’m still not over the Love me with all of your heart scene. And the looks and sass Little My gives them. She knows what’s up. A lot of Moomin’s episodes with Snorkmaiden focus on this conflict between them and they don’t seem as happy usually. Meanwhile, he and Snufkin usually have episodes with problems that they navigate together, even if there’s some push and pull due to their differences regarding freedom and closeness. And the fact that the team describes Snorkmaiden and Moomin’s interactions as something akin to playing pretend and taking roles. Don’t even get me started on The Lonely Mountain. There’s so much I can say about their conversation on the ledge, but it’s not even just that. It’s the way Moominmama and Little My act in a knowing way about him and Snufkin. And when Moominpapa wonders if Moomin really did go all that way for ‘his friend’ Moominmama says that friendship does wonderful and strange things. And right after when she asks if he wishes he could be on adventures with his friends, he says no need and that his best friend is right there with him. And just! The parallel! Calling them both best friends when one of the couples is literally married. There’s no way that wasn’t deliberate. There’s just so much about Snufkin and Moomin that feels so carefully and meaningfully placed. And it feels like, logically, it would lead to something. That there’s more we have to see from them.
But at the same time, I don’t know if they’ll go through with it. Snorkmaiden and Moomin had their break up, but it felt somewhat undone. They don’t seem to be together in the same way they used to be in most of Season 3, but she still calls him her soulmate in the final episode. But then that same episode ends with him and Snufkin in such a beautiful and soft queer way. I hope they commit to Snufmin because the narrative for that has been so genuine and beautiful. It goes deeper than many of the previous adaptations. I really hope that they end in a more romantic way this time. I’m really looking forward to Season 4
#moominvalley#moominvalley season 4#snufmin#springdove#Snufkin#Moomin#I think about them a normal amount#I keep going back and forth because there’s gotta be a chance#Why else would they write all of these interactions this way#why put all of these details or use the songs they did for Snufkin and Moomin vs Snorkmaiden and Moomin#but at the same time it feels like a stretch to think it’ll be canon#because of the mixture of ways they handle snorkmaiden#but it would genuinely be so good and so beautiful if snufmin was canon in some way by the end#and I’d be so happy
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I’m looking quietly at Moominvalley season 4 and hoping for Snufmin. Please, please let them be canon.
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supernatural cast in my generic bakery slice of life manga
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