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[jonsalocker]

Hey , I have come across some Sansans claim that there was an interview in which GRRM didn't beat around the bush & said that he would never pair Jon with Sansa or Arya.

FAKE NEWS - FAKE NEWS - FAKE NEWS

Back in Oct 31st, 2017, a FAKE interview with GRRM was released by a blog in Spanish, now deleted. Here is an archived copy.

Some reddit posts about it:

https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/79tun7/spoilers_extended_new_grrm_interview_google/

https://www.reddit.com/r/freefolk/comments/79uhtf/grrm_interview_translated/

https://www.reddit.com/r/freefolk/comments/79x204/confirmed_grrm_spanish_interview_is_fake/

This FAKE interview was made up by a problematic person, widely known in the Spanish ASOIAF community for doing really fucked up things with her multiples accounts, like stealing private information, impersonation, hacking, harassment, etc.  This person was obsessed with Theon the character and Alfie the actor. I read that she called Alfie’s mother saying she was a journalist and that she harassed the actress Gemma Whelan when she was in Spain for the GOT wrap party, just because Alfie wasn’t there or something. 

So this person released a FAKE interview with this title: “Jon Snow is not the Hero of the Story,” in direct retaliation against a real interview with GRRM by the Russian Magazine “Meduza”, where George said that Jon Snow is a Byronic Hero and that Theon is his foil, and other unfavorable things about Theon the character. 

The “author” of the FAKE interview also claimed that GRRM debunked jonsa:

You have to realize that Jon, in my novels, is dead.  All I can assure you is that I never planned to marry him to Sansa for having thought of Arya when I still didn’t have a fully formed idea of my story. If I discarded the idea, then I would be a fool if I thought I could change it to complete the same pattern.  In the event that Jon comes back to life at some time, that possibility is very remote. I would never marry him to Sansa. Both have been raised as siblings and neither thinks of the other in a way beyond brotherly love, which does not even exist. Arya has a better relationship with Jon, than he has with Sansa, and they won’t end up together either.  To understand his possible relationship with Danenerys, you will have to continue reading.

You can read a bit more about it here.

And of course the anti jonsa faction held on to this FAKE interview for their lives…      

When people used google translator to read the interview in English, a line in Spanish: “ríe dramáticamente,” that means: “[He] laughs dramatically,” was translated as: “rice dramatically.” So from that moment, for the jonsa fandom, that FAKE interview was known as i) RICE GATE, ii) DRAMATIC RICE, or my favorite, iii) RICE DRAMATICALLY.   

Here some of my favorite RICE DRAMATICALLY posts:

https://giuilily.tumblr.com/post/166980672973/what-we-can-all-take-from-the-recent-grrm

https://empressansa.tumblr.com/post/166983967026/rice-dramatically

https://kellyvela.tumblr.com/post/166993874826

https://kellyvela.tumblr.com/post/166994433406

https://occupyvenus.tumblr.com/post/166994301378/them-jonsa-was-found-dead-in-a-ditch-me-jonsa

https://nat111love.tumblr.com/post/166994633535

https://www.tumblr.com/blog/view/the–pipsqueak–alchemist/168270575362

https://thornoftheroseandfangofthewolf.tumblr.com/post/167093497907/guys-lets-rice-dramatically

https://a-baleful-howl.tumblr.com/post/167061667114/harmlessly-scrolling-my-feed-when-i-see-this-and

https://nat111love.tumblr.com/post/167021525540

https://thelegendofclarke.tumblr.com/post/167001245678/ours-is-the-dramatic-rice

https://thewolfbit.tumblr.com/post/167000538783/rational-people-idk-maybe-this-blog-interview

https://queenstarksansa.tumblr.com/post/166999185257/you-grrm-sunk-you-crackship-me-an-intellectual

https://occupyvenus.tumblr.com/post/166999390888/dramatic-rice-is-a-dish-best-served-cold

https://kellyvela.tumblr.com/post/167071942511

https://wolvesofspring.tumblr.com/post/167031198812/i-had-to-take-a-time-to-draw-this-yesterday-was

https://kellyvela.tumblr.com/post/167046977856

 Thanks for your message. 

[jonsalocker]

One thing I will always appreciate Kit Harington for apart from his ass is his unabashed contempt for Sansa Stark

[jonsalocker]

So, nearly 1.5 million people died of covid worldwide and here we have a bunch of callous twats* making light of this because they can't stand that some fans dislike their problematic FICTIONAL fave.

Get a fucking grip ffs.

*OP + all those who shared or liked this trash take.

People who hate Daenerys, just SHUT UP, find a new hobby, adopt a puppy, marry and have kids, buy a dildo, get drunk, go outside and fuck someone. Get a job, catch a covid, because its getting old the obsession with you all have with character you hate. 

[jonsalocker]

Three Queens. Three Endings.

The more I think about it, the more ironic it seems to me that Dany/Jonerys stans played the “best ending” Bingo for years leading up to the finale and lost not only to Sansa…

but also to…seriously…Cersei

Hands down, no one ever thought Cersei deserved a better ending than Dany. They both did horrible things. And yet, the writers opted to give Cersei - not a reprieve - but an actual bittersweet ending. And that at the cost of the Braime ship they’ve pushed for seasons on end. 

From what I can remember, in the time leading up to S8, Dany stans had several possible scenarios in mind for their fave, falling into two categories: 

1. The blinkers-wearing believers who actually thought Daenerys would get everything she wanted, beat Cersei, be beloved by all the people in Westeros as their saviour, marry Jon, be crowned queen, pregnant with their son and live happily ever after in the new Targ dynasty. 

2. The more realistic ones who knew GoT would never be as straight forward and they would never get their Disney ending, but believed that Dany would be pregnant, either die in childbirth or fighting heroically to save everyone, with Jon either trying to save her or at least professing or proving his love for her before she died. It’s tragic yes, but also romantic and bittersweet. 

None of these scenarios played out - at least not for Dany. 

It’s like D stans ticked all the right boxes for what will happen in the finale, but they were entirely wrong as to who it would happen for. Not only did D&D give Dany the most unredeemable ending and then had her ousted in the worst imaginable way (particularly for Jonerys stans), but adding insult to injury, they gave all the “good” versions of Dany’s outcome to the two other queens: 

Them: Dany will be crowned queen 

GoT: Sansa is crowned queen 

Them: Dany will be hailed as saviour 

GoT: Sansa is hailed as saviour of the North

Them: Dany will be pregnant by Jon

GoT: Cersei is pregnant by Jaime

Them: Jon will renounce Sansa and choose Dany  

GoT: Jaime renounces Brienne and chooses Cersei

Them: Jon will profess his undying love for Dany 

GoT: Jaime professes his undying love for Cersei

Them: Jon will prove his love for Dany 

GoT: Jon proved his love for Sansa and the Starks

Them: Jon will kill Sansa for Dany 

GoT: Jon kills Dany for Sansa

Them: Even though Dany messed up, Jon will still try to save her from herself and bring her and their baby to safety 

GoT: Cersei messed up but Jaime still tries to save her from herself and bring her and their baby to safety 

Them: Dany and Jon will both die together, knowing they love each other 

GoT: Cersei and Jaime both die together, knowing they love each other

Them: If Jon dies, he will die saving his queen 

GoT: Jaime died “saving his queen” (literal quote) 

Bonus: 

Them: Jon won’t mind that it’s incest, he loves Dany too much 

GoT: Jaime doesn’t mind that it’s incest, he loves Cersei too much…while Jon cringes away from his aunt

Again and again, blow by blow, the Disney ending (and even the more realistic ending) Dany and Jonerys stans had come up with was dismantled and the pieces given to other characters - other relationships that had more history and more depth. 

The fact that they gave Cersei the PRECISE ending that Dany stans had envisioned for Dany in case she does go dark: pregnant with boat baby and about to die but in Jon’s arms who chose ‘her’ over Sansa and all the others, doesn’t care that she is his aunt, doesn’t care what she did but loves her anyways and ready to die with her if he can’t save them. The two last Targaryens, united in love and death. 

Yeah. That was Cersei’s bittersweet ending. Not Dany’s. 

What does this mean for the books though? Was it all just a whim? Hardly. The Jaime - Jon parallels, e.g. King Slayer and Queen Slayer, will be even more pronounced. Jaime has already turned from Cersei in the books and never returned to her. But the books will surely give more focus to the conflict between Cersei and Sansa and Jonsa as the positive double of Jaime/Cersei. 

We shall see. 

In the show, though, one thing was made plain: Queen Sansa’s ending was sweet, Queen Cersei’s was bittersweet and Queen Daenerys…well…only bitter. 

[jonsalocker]

Hey , I have come across some Sansans claim that there was an interview in which GRRM didn't beat around the bush & said that he would never pair Jon with Sansa or Arya.

FAKE NEWS - FAKE NEWS - FAKE NEWS

Back in Oct 31st, 2017, a FAKE interview with GRRM was released by a blog in Spanish, now deleted. Here is an archived copy.

Some reddit posts about it:

https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/79tun7/spoilers_extended_new_grrm_interview_google/

https://www.reddit.com/r/freefolk/comments/79uhtf/grrm_interview_translated/

https://www.reddit.com/r/freefolk/comments/79x204/confirmed_grrm_spanish_interview_is_fake/

This FAKE interview was made up by a problematic person, widely known in the Spanish ASOIAF community for doing really fucked up things with her multiples accounts, like stealing private information, impersonation, hacking, harassment, etc.  This person was obsessed with Theon the character and Alfie the actor. I read that she called Alfie’s mother saying she was a journalist and that she harassed the actress Gemma Whelan when she was in Spain for the GOT wrap party, just because Alfie wasn’t there or something. 

So this person released a FAKE interview with this title: “Jon Snow is not the Hero of the Story,” in direct retaliation against a real interview with GRRM by the Russian Magazine “Meduza”, where George said that Jon Snow is a Byronic Hero and that Theon is his foil, and other unfavorable things about Theon the character. 

The “author” of the FAKE interview also claimed that GRRM debunked jonsa:

You have to realize that Jon, in my novels, is dead.  All I can assure you is that I never planned to marry him to Sansa for having thought of Arya when I still didn’t have a fully formed idea of my story. If I discarded the idea, then I would be a fool if I thought I could change it to complete the same pattern.  In the event that Jon comes back to life at some time, that possibility is very remote. I would never marry him to Sansa. Both have been raised as siblings and neither thinks of the other in a way beyond brotherly love, which does not even exist. Arya has a better relationship with Jon, than he has with Sansa, and they won’t end up together either.  To understand his possible relationship with Danenerys, you will have to continue reading.

You can read a bit more about it here.

And of course the anti jonsa faction held on to this FAKE interview for their lives…      

When people used google translator to read the interview in English, a line in Spanish: “ríe dramáticamente,” that means: “[He] laughs dramatically,” was translated as: “rice dramatically.” So from that moment, for the jonsa fandom, that FAKE interview was known as i) RICE GATE, ii) DRAMATIC RICE, or my favorite, iii) RICE DRAMATICALLY.   

Here some of my favorite RICE DRAMATICALLY posts:

https://giuilily.tumblr.com/post/166980672973/what-we-can-all-take-from-the-recent-grrm

https://empressansa.tumblr.com/post/166983967026/rice-dramatically

https://kellyvela.tumblr.com/post/166993874826

https://kellyvela.tumblr.com/post/166994433406

https://occupyvenus.tumblr.com/post/166994301378/them-jonsa-was-found-dead-in-a-ditch-me-jonsa

https://nat111love.tumblr.com/post/166994633535

https://www.tumblr.com/blog/view/the–pipsqueak–alchemist/168270575362

https://thornoftheroseandfangofthewolf.tumblr.com/post/167093497907/guys-lets-rice-dramatically

https://a-baleful-howl.tumblr.com/post/167061667114/harmlessly-scrolling-my-feed-when-i-see-this-and

https://nat111love.tumblr.com/post/167021525540

https://thelegendofclarke.tumblr.com/post/167001245678/ours-is-the-dramatic-rice

https://thewolfbit.tumblr.com/post/167000538783/rational-people-idk-maybe-this-blog-interview

https://queenstarksansa.tumblr.com/post/166999185257/you-grrm-sunk-you-crackship-me-an-intellectual

https://occupyvenus.tumblr.com/post/166999390888/dramatic-rice-is-a-dish-best-served-cold

https://kellyvela.tumblr.com/post/167071942511

https://wolvesofspring.tumblr.com/post/167031198812/i-had-to-take-a-time-to-draw-this-yesterday-was

https://kellyvela.tumblr.com/post/167046977856

 Thanks for your message. 

[jonsalocker]

So Sophie Turner posted pics of when she was pregnant on Instagram. I saw a lot of comments like “Ramsay Bolton?” “Little Ramsay Bolton?” Etc. That’s... not funny. Idk why people decide to comment on a real person’s photos joking abt them being pregnant with the child of the character who r*ped her character in the show... idk just seems fucked up to me.

[jonsalocker]

Y'ALL THESE FUCKERS REALLY BELIEVE WE WROTE THIS FIC FOR ATTENTION OMG

I've said it once and I'll say it again, Sansa stans, and Jonsas as well bc it's our tag that that shit invaded, have more grace and integrity than to stoop so low as to write a tr*mp smut. I will literally sooner hang myself than contaminate my brain by even think of the 🍊💩 in any form of sexual manner for a fic.

These people are so desperate to derail and backtrack that they're coming up with scenarios. The fucking author in the comments of the fic fucking admitted that she's a Dany stan and that she wrote it bc 'her fandom was getting a bad rep'.

Like...before you post shit, at least know what the fuck you're talking about.

And I'll say it again and I don't care how arrogant I sound.

We don't need to post fics like that to get attention. We already have the attention on ao3. Sansa is the most popular female character in the entire GoT archive on ao3. Jonsa outnumbers aegony by more than 3000, and jonrya by more than 6000. We literally didn't need to write this fic and we didn't.

We don't spend time thinking about DT's crusty old dick. And to call us the worst when your camp is literally having a fucking meltdown right now on twitter bc rose leslie is pregnant LMAOOOOO

[jonsalocker]

That Sansa rape fic absolutely doesn't exist. Notice that Sansa stans never post links or name names? And the only people in the entire asoiaf fandom that even talks about the Trump/Sansa fic or the Dany as Trump book are the same people? Just look around fandom. That's how everyone knows that this group of Sansa stans are responsible.

Anon. If you are here trying to make me believe that non of these fics exist, then you came to the wrong blog. There is a warning on Tumblr (that you can find on my blog) addressed to Jonsa fans, with the name of the Sansa/T*ump fic on it. After seeing this warning, I went on the Jonsa tag on Ao3 and sure enough this fic does exist. I do not doubt that all the other troll fics exist as well, as it is not the first time that I’ve seen one. A year or so ago a J*nerys smut fic trolling Jonsas was posted in the Jonsa tag, and yes I saw this one with my own eyes too.

You see there is some sort of déjà-vu for me here (and all of us really) because it is not the first time that these kind of things happen. It always goes the same way; something really sh*tty happens against the Sansa/Jonsa stans, we get mad about it and demand people to take accountability. Then the tables are turned and people end up accusing us of faking it, even if there are receipts that show otherwise. For example, there is the famous Twitter Hack that happened a year or so ago and yes I was here when it happened too. I had to block the person behind the hacks when they moved on Tumblr and threatened to take us all “delulus” down. If you want receipts for this too, you can also find them on my blog under the tag Fandom Issues.

Anon, if you so believe that these fics do not exist, then stop accusing Sansa Stans of being behind them. What’s the purpose of accusing people of something that, according to you, do not exist?

About the Dany and T*ump book. I do not have any opinion on it, I am not interested in it, and before all of this happened, I didn’t even know that it existed.

I’ve seen the same kind of questions being asked to some of my mutuals. So anon, if you are the one sending these to cause some gaslighting, please stop.

[jonsalocker]

ok I just found out what the drama going on is about and honestly dany stans shouldnt have publicly talked about the book cause now they're giving it more attention, proving her point that they're a cult and giving major ammo to dany antis with their public meltdowns.

The woman has like 5 followers, what did they think that book was gonna do???

Like im sorry i just dont understand why a group of majority adults feel like they need to be captain save a hoe to EVERY non positive thing about their fave where it comes to the point where they start stalking pages and waiting for somebody to say something negative or finding old ass posts and reigniting old arguments.

Tell me again how they were able to find your tweet from 2017 that had 0 interactions?

Ever since s8, they've been slowly falling apart. I didnt like her stans but I did have respect for them. It's really getting painful to look at their downfall and desperation. I feel like they do this to keep their fandom alive cause being messy is the only way certain people can get attention. They're going out real sad and it's not even fun to watch anymore.......

I think there are 2 reasons for this: they’re in deep denial and they’re addicted to outrage. Any acknowledgement that Dany is a villain freaks them out because they’ve convinced themselves that it’s not the case and they don’t know how to deal with dissent. They don’t know how to let go because they’re addicted to righteous anger. Dany committed genocide and they started writing many posts, collecting articles that agree with them, signing petitions. They were hyped. In their echo chamber they had the support of millions of people and what they were doing was important for women’s rights because dany inspired millions of women and she changed the world dammit! 

They essentially want everyone to acknowledge Dany was a hero and they simultaneously  want some people to think otherwise so they can be outraged. That’s why they’re like That.

[jonsalocker]

I love how folk get so upset about Miss D Targ (a fictional character) being analysed in a negative light that it causes them to harass the author (a real person) on twitter, then make a troll fic in the jonsa ship tag (because even though the author probably doesn't know most ships that exist outside the show canon, only the jonsas can ever be responsible for all things anti DT).

Yet both actions just ended up bringing the book to wider public attention.

I just bought said book because it came to my attention, so thanks guys!

[jonsalocker]

the (in)validation of jonsa

never in my many years of fandom experiences (over two decades i might say) i encountered such hostile reaction towards the existence of a ship like the asoiaf/got fandom has towards jonsa. and for fucks sake, i’ve been in the internet long enough to know that they were smut fics written about dobby that met less hatred and disgust than jonsa.

  people within the jonsa fandom have to constantly encounter animosity of strangers who are appalled by the fact that people like jon and sansa together, and constantly make us justify why we ship them as a couple, even though that doesn’t happen to other couples in the fandom.

  it is not because they were raised as siblings, otherwise jonr/a wouldn’t be a thing and they don’t meet not even a tenth of the hate jonsas do. it’s not because they are related either, otherwise jon/rys wouldn’t exist either and we all know a grand majority seems to belive they are the acceptable couple to ship.

  it all comes to the underling point: sansa and the fact that jonsa is not a ship that punishes or ‘humbles’ sansa in any way or form and is not there to teach her a lesson. otherwise why people don’t bat an eye for her being romantically shipped with men twice/trice her age, who are clearly predators and/or had a hand on her family’s deaths?

  jonsa seems to cause more dislike and the feeling of aversion than sansa with men who tried (or thought of) raping her or have no sense to be with her narrative wise (i mean, the amount of grown ass adult men i see people shipping sansa with is ridiculous). but why is jonsa that brings the fury?

  to me it is the fact that for years sansa had been villainized by the fandom and people simple accepted the collective headcanon that sansa stark was nothing but a vain and unimportant character who is to blame for the bad things that happened to the stark family, and not the grown ass adult men (in which many are shipped with her) who actually caused it all.

  this is why sansa and jonsa fans are know as the “worst” by some people of the fandom. because for so long in the past it was okay to spill hate towards sansa and no one would bat an eye, they would just add to the list reasons why she suck.

  but then sansa fans grew strong and confident, and many of which shipped sansa with jon (for many different reasons) and that started to piss off people, because jon is a good guy. jon is the hero. how dare people give sansa a hero to love and love her back, she needs to be taught a lesson, she needs men who are old enough to be her father, who look at her as a piece of meat and property and who narratively wise will keep her as a lesser, in a low position where she belongs.

  and with this comes the invalidation from the fandom. because we cannot just ship them just because, which is the most valid reason to like and ship a couple: you like them together and that is it. but no, we have to justify it over and over, from people who do not ship it and post in our tags demanding to hear a good reason we like such ridiculous couple, to people reblogging our work and metas to say how wrong and delusional we are or the bombarding of anons jonsas seem to get, no matter how big or small their blogs are, to shame or insult them for shipping the couple.

  i mean, how many times we, sansa and jonsa fans, have our opinions invalidated not only about our favorite couple and characters in the books/show, but anything else related to the fandom because we are sansa/jonsa fans? in fact, even those who are not sansa/jonsa stans but that seem to go against the grain of what the majority of the fandom believes (or against the fans or a certain character and house) they are labeled sansa/jonsa fans and hence unworthy of being heard.

  that actually is something i see often, not only on tumblr or on twitter, the use of being a sansa/jonsa fan against others, but recently i saw it happen in another place, where a person in an extremely respectful manner had answered why they didn’t think dny deserved better (it was about a buzzfeed article who mentioned characters that were ruined by the writing out of nowhere) simply because they believed that while the last two seasons were rushed and terribly written, the narrative of the character’s downfall was something that had been hinted previously. someone had the rude reaction of simple going “lol you are clearly a sansa stan, can’t be taken seriously” before attacking sansa and the starks (and no, that person was not a sansa stan/fan).

  why, why does it matter if i like character x with character y so much? what does that interfere with their fandom enjoyment? how does the existence of jonsa affect them so much to the point they cannot believe people like them and decide to ridicule anyone and everyone who likes them, stalking their blogs and tags, screen capping their posts to laugh at and share with their friends over how ridiculous these delusional jonsas are and how they and sansa fans suck and are the worst part of the fandom.

  why do do we have to constantly validate our love for these characters, together and apart, justifying the reasons why? is there some mythical jonsa forefather/foremother creature that in the no so distant past were the fandom was created committed atrocities and henceforth besmirching the good name of those who came after? i think not. 

  so why is your ship valid and ours not? why do we have to perform to you, cater to you and explain to you why they are relevant to us? so good lord let us be, we are not here for you.

[jonsalocker]

D stan personal rant time ahead (feel free to ignore but I've gotta vent)

It sure is rich, considering that's coming from c@millekeatons (the tagger reblogging from yendany) a "My imperialist queen did nothing wrong" stan, who

called the only black Disney Princess "whitewashed"

lies about being a WOC for sympathy online, all the while fetishizing multiple pale, white-haired caucasian characters she vicariously lives through

romanticizes a Southern slave owner and her rapey love interest

used a sock account to speak broken English to mock a Malaysian fan on as well as call a black fan whitewashed on another site for animated movies. That's not even all the examples!

And this spoiled, wealthy white Latina (who, by the way, chose to leave her cushy European home to go back to that third world country because Muslims have made Europe scary to be in 😟😟) has the nerve to call me a racist and create rumors of ME a nazi multiple times? To pretend I'm more privileged than her when she used to mock and gossip about my financial situation, my education, and lower-class background with total strangers? If D stans have nothing else, they've got audacity.

And I'm not denying Sansa's fandom might include some racists. But this clown (and TBH, go0dqueenarya too) don't care about that. They're big racists themselves to think D murdering POC civilians is badass. What they care about making sure D stands above Sansa- because through her, they can stand above everyone else and feel justified in being bullies. She's just pretending I'm a bigot who called her a "race traitor" because she got butthurt when she tried harassing me last fall on a sock account accusing me of racism, and I threw it in her face that she was a massive hypocrite to defend a supremacist (and a pedo to romanticize Sansa and one of her adult abusers).

I said a lot of stuff about what a friendless, entitled rich brat she was, which evidently was enough to scare her out of harassing me, but she's obviously still salty about it. I wonder if I should call her out for continously lying or leave it alone? After all the stuff she's done to me and several other people (stalking us, bullying us, anon hate, homophobic and sexually vulgar insults, and sharing our personal info because we don't love the disney characters she does enough), sometimes I'd love to put her in her place, tell her to that mental illness isn't an excuse to be such a narcissistic little cockroach who throws tantrums and picks fights over fictional characters but disappears like a coward when people call her out on it. It's something a lot of D stans need to learn.

Oh, and I love the other comments too. Hope you nonwhite Sansa fans appreciate these thoughtful, educational words! To think, you could've gone your whole lives not knowing you were just tokens of white fans! How gracious of this supremacist fan to bring this up. Maybe next yendany explain how the crowd surfing scene was EMPOWERING for us! I'm excited to be enlightened!

[jonsalocker]

Antis are so odd. First they’re like like “Jonsa is only a thing on tumblr. Nobody cares about it outside”. Then J/D becomes the most popular GOT ship on tumblr for only 1 year because the two chars slept together while Jonsa was leading the year before and the two years later but…they keep flaunting that 1 year year where they won because suddenly tumblr is relevant??? Also critics and locals alike have said J/D have some of the worst chemistry on tv but that’s always irrelevant. And mainstream media has asked the question of whether Jon/Sansa are meant to be read romantically from s6 to s8 because they did have coding and very narratively consistent one at that, which goes beyond actors chemistry. Then they’re like “Jonsa is only relevant on ao3 because it’s a non canon ship and people go wild with them”. Then Jonsa wins a twitter poll on Brazilian twitter beating J/D without the rest of the fandom knowing it and you get “Jonsa is only relevant on twitter because of the show. Nobody cares about it elsewhere”. (As if Brazil didn’t create its own Jonsa AU show with “Deus Salve el Rei”)

It’s a ship. Where else exactly is it meant to be “relevant”? As for book theorists, they’re there and have been there since 2012 before any show content and have grown since. If anyone hides it or tries to tone down their inclination for it, it’s only because the fandom has a bias against “dirty Jonsas” despite most of the other ships for these characters being worse. Hell, J/D has far more messy foreshadowing bookwise (about deception and being final opponents) despite the superficial romantic foreshadowing and nobody wants to talk about that. Nobody wants to talk about how unequal the Jon/Dany dynamic is showwise and the problem isn’t just chemistry but how emotionally abusive and controlling it is from Dany’s side because women can’t be abusers apparently and they’re still in denial of Dark!Dany’s roots being laid way earlier and it’s not just about a final mass murder. 

If it’s about which side is shallower, I’m sorry one side doesn’t want to go into it all as deep as another. 

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i’ve see some badly thought out discussions of sansa’s whiteness in a continent of mostly white people usually in posts comparing her unfavourably to daenerys. this is why i talked about the tumblr fandom habit of turning people of colour into a form of noble savages to the point where characters are headcanoned as people of colour as a shorthand for ‘they are good people!’ so we end up in a situation where characters like daenerys whose whiteness is highlighted and used as a weapon is considered brown… because she has an army made up of brown and black men and also because her stans think she’s a good person.

anyway sansa is white, arya is white, cersei is white but daenerys is a white saviour. no headcanon will change that

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[jonsalocker]

JONSAS, DO NOT READ THE FIC "MAKE THE NORTH GREAT AGAIN".

do open the fic, or even comment, what they want from this troll attempt is to get hits and see people upset. the fewer hits and the lack of comments will only make them more frustrated for not reaching their petty, childish and overall gross goal.

[jonsalocker]

Sophie Turner: *breathes* *exists* *does literally anything*

Certain people: