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jull-reblogs · 18 hours ago

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Yes I’ve made real progress!! Lots of work ahead still but I think I’m on the right track right now.

You must be tired of my apologies for taking days to answer at this point, but I'm still sorry :/ I spent the last week with my family and got really lazy 😅. Maybe I can make up for it by showing you a few sketches I did this week-end! I’ve been trying to adapt the story of Skyward Sword into murals in the style of TotK:

I had another one but my dumb tablet crashed and now my file is corrupted and I can’t open it (sigh). I thought Zelda and Link would discover these murals in the beginning of the story as they do in TotK, but now I’m not sure anymore where I’ll put them. At least I really like how they came out, even though they're just sketches and I still need to clean and render them.

I feel you, writing the first scene is so hard. I’m still battling with mine, I’ve reworked it at least ten times now. In my case I find that storyboarding really helps instead of just trying to write a script, but I’m working on a comic so it might not be the same for you. Not sure I can do much but if I can help in any way I’d be happy to!!

Well I did eat berries on keto! Not melons though. Go for it, it sounds like the right thing for you!

Oh I didn’t even remember that AoC provided a recipe for the Malanya Buns! Endura Carrots are a much better idea than Tireless Frogs, that sounds disgusting haha. And Malanya sure would prefer carrots. Agreed about the horse upgrading mechanic, I spent way too much time in BotW trying to find my perfect horse!

We already have Molduga swimming in the sand of the Desert so it would make sense to have small fish as well! Same for the sky, we have Levias and the Windfish, it would be pretty cool to see other flying fish.

I think I’ve seen that comic! I’ve been wondering about Malon and that cow since I was a child haha.

Oh I’ve been thinking of using AI the same way for my story (just chatting with it to help with brainstorming). I haven’t tried it yet but this list is convincing me I should do it!! And I love this idea that gloom sickness could be the Malice version of sun poisoning 🤔

Yeah gloom sickness could be contagious or it could simply affect a lot more NPCs and be more difficult to heal. Like if half of Kakariko was sick instead of only Nanna it would make it a much bigger threat, whether it was contagious or not.

I could see more Hylians being trained to use magic like Irene and Syrup! And it’s fun imagining Link’s mother as the local witch (in a positive way). I’d say I prefer Haertheinochtoun over Haitheinoctoun ^^ and I love the meaning!!

Hylians were supposed to be magic users but we never really saw that, even in Skyward Sword. So maybe they were even before that, when Hylia was still alive? But you might be right about them simply being untrained in BotW, we know that Link is able to learn the Yiga clan’s Earthquake Ability pretty easily. Which makes it a bit strange that the Sheikah didn’t even try to train Zelda and teach her a bit of magic when she was struggling with her power.

Chronicles of the Sealing Light would be an interesting title. In French I’d keep Sceau rather than Scellement ^^ Now I wonder why the Hyrule Warriors games get translated titles while the main games don’t, it’s kind of weird!

@aikoiya The post was getting long again so here's a new one!

I knew you were going to answer that saying "this is unfair" isn't real life logic haha (and I agree that life hasn't been fair to Sky and Sun anyway). It's just that such an ending would probably leave me feeling unsatisfied and even a bit robbed, and I think it would require a lot of other changes to be made to the story in order for it to work properly. But anyway you're right, as things are now this would just be happening behind the scenes so what I'm saying doesn't really make sense. But just thinking about it changes my perception of SS in a way I don't really enjoy, so it's not a theory I favor.

Yes in that setting I'm pretty sure that the other Sun would not make herself known to Link and Zelda and would let them have their happy ending. But I think Zelda would likely suspect her existence and know that something is wrong. I guess even Link could notice that the Temple's doors are suddenly open and would ask Impa a few questions.

I had no idea Tingle called Farore the Goddess of Wind in WW, so I went on a little quest to see if I could find the same quote in the French version of the game. Apparently it's in Tingle's description of Outset Island and I never had the chance to play with the Tingle Tuner mode. I can't find the same quote in French anywhere and I don't even know if this was included in the HD remake (I guess I'll have to wait for a Switch version to find out… if they ever release one). This has me wondering if this quote isn't something exclusive to the English version, but I can't be sure and I'd like to know what the original Japanese text says. The French wikis mention that Farore is the Goddess of Wind in WW but don't provide any quote, it just looks like the pages were translated from English but that they couldn't find the same quote in French. It's really frustrating!!

Anyway that's a bit weird because WW already establishes Zephos as the God of Wind, and he seems to be a minor deity compared to Farore. The way I see it, wind is just the element that Farore tends to be associated with, and since a lot of myths might have been lost with Hyrule in WW this could just be a mistake on Tingle's part. I mean this is the game that gave us the Golden Triumph Forks haha.

I'm not limiting Nayru/the Golden Goddesses to a singular domain, quite the opposite ^^ To me Nayru being the Goddess of Wisdom includes different concepts such as order, law, science, magic, etc., and even time (since she's introduced as the creator of the world's fondamental laws), while calling her the Goddess of Time doesn't include all of that. That's why I wrote that I found it a bit restrictive. But sure she could have both titles, the same way Farore could be known most commonly as the Goddess of Courage and also called the Goddess of Wind in some situations.

Oh I didn't think of the blocks from OoT! I would say though that they don't really use any time powers, they're just random blocks that appear or disappear for some reason when Link plays the Song of Time (it's just as absurd as playing the Song of Storms to open holes in the ground haha). But yes they were blue and associated with time, and of course Nayru is too. The difference with Hylia in my theory is that Nayru created the rules of time (if that makes sense) among other fundamental laws, while Hylia's power specifically allows her to manipulate time and foresee the future. In a way I see Hylia as Nayru's spiritual daughter who inherited some of her powers over time (and that's why the color purple she's represented with is very close to blue).

The Master Sword has also been depicted as either blue or purple though, so that asks the question of the true color of all of these things! Nayru is definitely linked to time so it makes sense that the timeshift stones are in Lanayru (and Hylia also doesn't have a province named after her).

"From the edge of time" could definitely just be a poetic way to say that Hylia kind of recorded a message for Link before dying haha. But I find it interesting that she would phrase it like that, I like to see it as a clue.

Well if Zelda simply sent Link to a point further back in time, wouldn't there be two Links existing at the same time in the Child Timeline? But sure Zelda creating a brand new timeline also raises a few questions that kind of... make my head hurt. I'm not sure what happens exactly, I've always wondered! All we know is that Link finds himself in the Master Sword's chamber with the Door of Time already open, which hints at things happening in a different way this time (because he definitely doesn't have the three spiritual stones and the Ocarina of Time yet since this is before Ganon's coup, and the ending seems to imply that this timeline's Zelda doesn't know him yet). That's why I believe Zelda might have done something a bit more complex than sending him to a point further back in time, but there's no way to be sure. The Triforce of Courage is also visible on Link's hand during the ending, and we also know thanks to TP that the Triforce is still separated in the Child Timeline despite Link and Zelda preventing Ganon from entering the Sacred Realm this time. So maybe Zelda isn't able to change everything? It's complicated haha.

Anyway, whether OoT Zelda creates a new timeline or just sends Link further back in time, that's still huge time powers and that's not something Link is able to do by playing Zelda's Lullaby.

I also believe it is more likely that Talon inherited the ranch. True, Talon might not always have been so lazy, but maybe if that was the case the game could have hinted at hit. All we know is that he leaves his daughter alone with Ingo and only comes back after Link deals with the situation, which does not make him look so great. And he only promises to work harder after that.

I'm kind of bad with names so I'm impressed you're going through all of that trouble to rename the settlements!!

I haven't gotten to developping the technology that much yet, but I'm really interested in seeing what the different races could do with it! I love the idea of using the Sheikah to infiltrate the Yiga bases. I wish TotK had done something like that and shown the Sheikah helping Link that way.

Same, I was so excited when I heard about these pirates… and then so disappointed to find nothing more than a bunch of bokos with no backstory.

Vignoble is not related to noble (though I kind of make the association in my mind, especially since vignobles are sometimes called châteaux).

Yes I thought you could maybe use clos! Aquaticlos is funny, it can work! Though maybe you could use the same logic as for the raisins (I love this Raisins de Terre idea by the way, it makes sense!) and say that what the Zoras call a clos already refers to something that's underwater, since that's probably the case for most of what they cultivate.

I don't mind helping you with French, I'm glad to do so! You put so much effort and thought into this, it's really interesting.

#loz #zelda #zelda lore #zelda theory #aikoiya

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jull-reblogs · 14 days ago

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Well I'm glad!! Don't expect anything like the first chapter though haha, I'm not there yet. It would be more like a sneak peek and something to let people know that this project exists. Also giving myself deadlines like this helps and makes it more "real".

If you think Mediterranean keto would be the right choice for you then go for it!! Not everyone needs to stick to 25g of carbs a day :D

I think I could find some equivalent to this STAR roll here! And agreed, meat is always the best part for me 😁 I guess I could just try to make tonkotsu soup myself ^^

Well one of my coworkers once brought us homemade matcha tiramisu and it was so good!! And there's this Japanese bakery next to where I work that makes matcha brioches filled with cream or matcha cookies. I can't eat this stuff anymore but it's amazing, I recommand trying it if you can find something similar!

Haha yes Mangalitsa pigs are adorable and black-footed cats are the cutest serial killers! I had never seen Jacob sheep before and wow, they're impressive.

Oh now fishing in magma sounds like a great concept!! I admit I'd love to see that in a future game!!

Haha it's fine, don't worry! It's interesting to me that you think in such detail about culinary traditions and all since I tend to not put much thought into these aspects of worldbuilding. Gives me a different perspective.

Oh I see, this is interesting. I remember that you thought Malon might have Gerudo origins and now I see how this could be possible!

Yes I didn't mean that Vilia should be allowed into Gerudo Town, definitely not. I just think punishing him would be harsh when he made it possible for Link to save the city (and the kingdom). The guards should definitely be more careful about voe dressed as vai haha.

TotK should have made gloom sickness a true epidemic, things would have looked a lot more threatening then. I'm still thinking about the details but I want a lot more characters to be affected in my rewrite (though of course saving all of them one by one would be redundant) and the remedy would also be harder to find. I'm also planning to add different kinds of illnesses depending on what's happening locally, for example Castle Town will suffer from something unique due to its proximity to the Castle und what's underneath it.

I tend to see magic as something really rare especially in BotW's Hyrule so I don't share that headcanon about Wild's mother being a magess, but she could definitely be the reason he's skilled at cooking and knows which ingredients to use!

Yeah I thought just getting rid of the mud by washing it away was a bit easy. It should have made the Zora or anyone who touched it really sick.

Yes I'm sure the Gerudo would still need external help from time to time for things they aren't used to doing and in that case they would use the shelter as you suggested. At least we know in OoT that they needed the carpenters from Kakariko to repair the bridge in Gerudo Valley, so that can definitely happen.

Haha yes I think we won't agree on Time! Except about the troubles that come with waking up in the body of a young man after seven years of magical coma, of course.

Yes they have to extend the cast in ancient Hyrule and to give the ancient Sages more character. I guess we might finally get to see them without their masks and learn their names (though I think we shouldn't need a new game for that).

In French the game will be called "Les Chroniques du Sceau" which I think is better than if they'd gone with "L'Ère du Sceau" again. Not sure how that would translate, does Chronicles of the Seal sound weird? Chronicles of the Imprisoning War maybe?

Well I'm not planning to buy the Switch 2 at the moment anyway! And TotK was such a disaster for me that don't want to spend more money on a spin-off without making sure it's any good before.

Isn't it funny that they didn't even mention the audio memories in the Switch 2 direct and it was advertised in a different video? I was completely uninterested in the GPS or the ability to share builds in TotK but THAT would give me a reason to replay the games. Also now it seems we'll also be able to repair weapons and I'm like ??? So we're adding such a major feature through an app and we're not even mentioning it?? Weird communication choices haha.

@aikoiya The post was getting long again so here's a new one!

Anyway, whether OoT Zelda creates a new timeline or just sends Link further back in time, that's still huge time powers and that's not something Link is able to do by playing Zelda's Lullaby.

I'm kind of bad with names so I'm impressed you're going through all of that trouble to rename the settlements!!

Same, I was so excited when I heard about these pirates… and then so disappointed to find nothing more than a bunch of bokos with no backstory.

Vignoble is not related to noble (though I kind of make the association in my mind, especially since vignobles are sometimes called châteaux).

I don't mind helping you with French, I'm glad to do so! You put so much effort and thought into this, it's really interesting.

#loz #zelda #zelda lore #zelda theory #aikoiya

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jull-reblogs · 22 days ago

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Sorry I took even longer than usual to answer, this one isn’t even that long! It’s just that I have lots of inspiration these days and I’ve been working on my rewrite like I’m possessed, I can’t stop!! And I’m trying to get something ready for TotK’s birthday on May 12th :D

Ah it sucks that you’re pre-diabetic again, but at least now you know what to do!

I don’t think I ever had tamago or roe either, now I want to try this STAR roll 👀 Tonkotsu ramen sounds amazing but I could only eat the meat and broth :/

I love matcha and yuzu, I definitely recommend trying it! And I didn’t know about Kasturi mangoes, they are beautiful and an interesting choice for the Zora. This mango entremet sounds absolutely delicious!!

Ah this is interesting! So you mean that a Gerudo who never returns to the desert would become a simple human? Or would this happen to her children, or does it take a few generations? It’s great that this makes marriage between Hylian royalty and Gerudo possible!

To be 100 % honest what I don’t like about Paris is how multicultural it is. It’s also dirty and kind of unsafe, and people have very liberal mindsets. At least I don’t live in Paris but in a nice suburban city, but I still don’t like the region. I’d love to move to a more rural area but well, I really love my job!

You’re right about Vilia breaking the law, though if I were Riju I would let it slide since he made it possible for Link to enter the city and take back Vah Naboris. I’d make sure he doesn’t do it again though haha. And even as a fugitive he’s still a character I would have loved to see again in TotK, maybe in a completely different place ^^

Even with much better hygiene infant mortality was still very high in Ancient Rome while I don’t see it being the case in Hyrule, that’s not the vibe I’m getting at all. About epidemics I meant the really deadly kind such as plagues, otherwise yes epidemics have to exist! But you’re right maybe that happens and we just don’t know about it.

(How many people had gloom sickness in TotK? Like… 2? Not a really convincing epidemic in my opinion)

Ah yes it’s possible that Fi would have become more human-like had she lived as long as Ghirahim did! Too bad we’ll probably never know!

Oh okay I see about Fable! And I’m very much for a tradition of marriage between the Heroes and Princesses, of course!! I mean it makes complete sense, these two are revered figures and I’m pretty sure the people would fully support their union. And I won’t complain about covering for future instances of Zelink 😇

Haha yes same! Nice conversation with a very nice person indeed 😊

Hiding the vai in the underground shelter while the men are working could be a solution, but I honestly think the Gerudo are prideful enough that they wouldn’t want to rely on men to take care of their city ^^ I also always assumed the Gerudo built all that stuff in Gerudo Canyon.

I’m glad you like this idea about Spoone and Malena :D Yes that’s what I’m doing, I’m mostly using the characterizations from BotW and when TotK did something interesting I try to keep it or do something similar. But to be honest this is not the case for most NPCs in my opinion so I’ll probably end up ignoring most of what TotK did.

I know you see Time as sheltered but I kind of think the opposite, this boy grew up in the woods without any adult there to take care of him and he even was the only Kokiri without a fairy. We don’t know much about how the Kokiri actually live but Time probably had to learn to survive and take care of himself from a very young age. So he might not know much about the world outside of the forest and is probably a bit awkward around "normal" people but I see him as very mature and resourceful ^^

Well I was expecting a HW game about the Imprisoning War but the announcement still made me cringe haha. I’m definitely not enthusiastic, just a bit curious to see how they’ll handle this mess. I honestly don’t care about these characters and this version of Hyrule, but who knows maybe this game will manage to change my mind (after all I liked the story and cutscenes in AoC so why not).

At least I hope this won’t be another alternative story, but at the same time that means no Link and no characters from modern Hyrule. And since ancient Hyrule has a very limited cast and the ancient Sages have no characterization, that sounds difficult to do. What I’m most afraid of is that they might replace Link with the stupid ancient Hero that I despise haha. So yeah, not excited at all, and really not sure I’ll buy it (if I get a Switch 2). Also isn't the title a bit weird?

About Zelda Notes, I’m mostly interested in the voice memories and now it seems we’ll be able to repair weapons as well. I don’t really care about the GPS since I found all the shrines and Koroks already, but I guess it could be a great addition for someone who’d be playing the games for the first time.

I’m not scandalized over the price of the Switch 2 given its performance, I’m more worried about the price of the games ^^ But I’m not sure I’ll buy it without an exclusive LoZ game anyway!

@aikoiya The post was getting long again so here's a new one!

Anyway, whether OoT Zelda creates a new timeline or just sends Link further back in time, that's still huge time powers and that's not something Link is able to do by playing Zelda's Lullaby.

I'm kind of bad with names so I'm impressed you're going through all of that trouble to rename the settlements!!

Same, I was so excited when I heard about these pirates… and then so disappointed to find nothing more than a bunch of bokos with no backstory.

Vignoble is not related to noble (though I kind of make the association in my mind, especially since vignobles are sometimes called châteaux).

I don't mind helping you with French, I'm glad to do so! You put so much effort and thought into this, it's really interesting.

#zelda #loz #zelda lore #zelda theory #aikoiya

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jull-reblogs · 1 month ago

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I guess this isn't what we call almond paste here in France then!

Oh wow congrats on reversing pre-diabetes!! That’s why I don’t understand how some people can call keto a fad diet, it has true benefits. Sure some people overdo it, but I think the science behind it is pretty solid. If taking Sundays off is what works for you then keep doing it your way :D

Thanks for the recipe!! It looks really good 👀

I like Zora-mae and Kakari-mae! Americanised sushi are pretty common in France as well and I honestly love it. Sushi are my go to for cheat meals ^^

Japanese pastries and flavors such as yuzu, matcha, or black sesame are also very trendy here.

Oh these are great ideas for the Mogma! Yes I know who to ask if I need help with flora and fauna, thank you :D

I understand about Lanayru Desert, it’s often theorised that it’s the same place as Gerudo Desert. Here the idea is that Lanayru was once where the ancient Sheikah lived since we saw traces of a technological civilization in SS, while the Gerudo are native from Gerudo Desert. We also know the Zora originally weren’t from Lanayru, which fits perfectly with what I’m doing since my ancient Zora live in Lake Floria (as the Parella do in SS).

I know Lanayru is located southwest of SS's map, but I don't really care haha. The map is clearly just meant to represent the Triforce and the different provinces are not even attached. Lanayru should also be close to the sea and BotW Lanayru has that. Someday I’d like to explain on my blog how my cartography of Hyrule works but it’s a bit spoilery for my story ^^

Oooh I see what you're getting at with Benjor and OoT Ganondorf, interesting!! It does make OoT even more tragic! Love that punchline about "no new sisters" ;))

Though I'd say a Hylian prince offering to marry a Gerudo is risky business. That would make his descendants Gerudo forever, would his people be okay with that?

Thank you!! I spend a few days at my parents' house from time to time, but it's not like living there. I always miss it, and I kind of hate Paris which doesn't help.

Ah yes Vilia! He was one of the NPCs I was very interested in seeing again in TotK and I was so disappointed that he just vanished. Don't know what I'll do with him yet but I'll avenge him 😤

Hmm yeah rising a Gerudo voe as a vai could maybe work for the first few years of his life, but then I don't think you can make Ganondorf pass as a woman by putting him in high heels and a bra :DD He's not exactly built like Link 😆 And I think he wouldn’t need to be told that he’s not a woman to come to that conclusion haha.

I just like the idea that Gerudo are natives of this land just like the other races, whether they had round ears or not. It’s also important for my lore that they are present from the beginning and battled against Demise, for various reasons. But they could also be from somewhere else and your version works perfectly!

There are immigrants in my version of Hyrule: the humans with round ears we see in TP ^^

By fairytale land I mean that Hyrule is a medieval kingdom with good hygiene and that kind of stuff (and magic of course). People live comfortably, you don’t see dirty streets or people emptying chamber pots out their windows, epidemics, etc. But it still has wars and dark/horrific stuff.

I'd say Fi really is emotionless though while Ghirahim isn’t. She might just not care and only focus on Link’s mission. But of course if Link was the kind of guy to treat her badly he would not be Hylia’s Chosen Hero ^^

I really like this explanation about soulmates, I agree! It could be fun to swap Link and Zelda’s origins but I think it makes a lot more sense symbolically as things are. Link is a better representation of Courage if he’s just some boy from the forest who becomes a hero, and Zelda being a princess/priestess makes her the perfect guide for him and a representation of order/Wisdom. But I still would be interested in seeing them swapped (though it might be awkward if the prince is never shown to speak).

Ah yes the infamous “ALttP Link and Zelda are siblings theory”. I had someone comment that under one of my drawings of them and it’s so weird, let me ship them in peace 😆

This version of ALttP is interesting! And I really have to read the ALttP mangas someday. I still prefer for Zelda to be the crown princess as always, but now I’m really curious. But that means Fable isn’t descended from Hylia/Sun in your version?

Haha yes I've seen a bit of your opinions on your blog and we definitely can get along on other subjects 😁 I don't really want to get too political here though, I’m just here to share my art and talk about LoZ. I know how people can get, especially here on Tumblr, so I hope you don’t get too much hate for your beliefs!

I would agree about Hylian women not doing traditionally male jobs, but I really think the Gerudo are a bit different. Sure they still retain very feminine traits but they also are physically as strong as men and they don’t allow them in their city, so someone has to do the work. And I mean look at Bolson or the OoT carpenters, they too look like they would enjoy shopping more than building houses haha.

That’s exactly what I’m planning for Spoone, a clinic in Castle Town! And now that I've found a doctor I know who saves Link’s life in the beginning of my story by amputating his corrupted arm. I also want him to have students/apprentices, and I’m thinking of Malena (that one Gerudo who tends to her sick husband and asks Link for Molduga and Gleeok guts).

It was really interesting and fun to research all these NPCs, I recommand it! I could share my notes but they're mostly in French and also full of spoilers for my stuff :/ But I think I'll make posts about it when I'll be done playing matchmaker and working on all these characters 😁

And now I also have a lot more criticism regarding how TotK handled its NPCs. Some of them have completely changed personnalities for no reason between games, or on the contrary are stuck doing the exact same thing years later. I find it really sad and once again I think there was so much potential for more.

Sorry, “get rid of the Downfall Timeline” wasn’t clear haha. I meant that I would like to try and reorganize the games in a different way/order to avoid the “what if” scenario of Time’s death and keep only the Adult and Child timelines. OoT doesn't exactly transition smoothly into ALttP anyway and there are a lot of questions left unanswered, so that's another reason. I also have a hard time imagining Time losing to Ganon since I tend to see him as the strongest Link (and also, it hurts).

But I’m not sure I can manage to do something like this, I would just like to try. After I’m done with my rewrite though, so that’s not something I’m going to do next week 😆

You're right about the map, things shouldn't change too much ^^

@aikoiya The post was getting long again so here's a new one!

Anyway, whether OoT Zelda creates a new timeline or just sends Link further back in time, that's still huge time powers and that's not something Link is able to do by playing Zelda's Lullaby.

I'm kind of bad with names so I'm impressed you're going through all of that trouble to rename the settlements!!

Same, I was so excited when I heard about these pirates… and then so disappointed to find nothing more than a bunch of bokos with no backstory.

Vignoble is not related to noble (though I kind of make the association in my mind, especially since vignobles are sometimes called châteaux).

I don't mind helping you with French, I'm glad to do so! You put so much effort and thought into this, it's really interesting.

#loz #zelda #zelda lore #zelda theory #aikoiya

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jull-reblogs · 1 month ago

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Yes looking into it could be interesting :D

Might have really been almond paste then! Depends on whether it was creamy or not ^^

Yay chestnuts!! I’m glad you could finally find some! And I guess it would be possible to make calissons with tangerines.

Oh really!! Here in France keto isn’t really widespread so most of the time people don’t even know what I’m talking about and think I’m some kind of weirdo. It’s even worse being on the carnivore diet!

Yeah staying keto/carnivore can be hard especially around the holidays, but it has improved my life in such a significant way that I can never look back. Though I’m much less strict now than I was during my first years. I allow myself little breaks, and around Christmas I let myself indulge in foods I wouldn’t eat otherwise haha. It’s about finding the right balance and there’s no need to be in ketogenesis all the time, except at first when trying to adapt. I don’t know why you’re doing it, but if you try it again I hope you’ll get the results you’re looking for!

Oh I’d like to try a peach cobbler with vanilla ice cream!! I’ll keep in it mind for the summer, thanks for recommending it!

I’m happy to help with your Zora! Yes I could definitely see them be interested in Sheikah culture and sushi making! I think it’s’ pretty common for French chefs to be fascinated by Japanese cuisine, and the reverse is true as well ^^

Makes sense that the Mogma wouldn’t have access to dairy!

Ah yes pear brandy sounds like a good idea!! I’m glad you found that interesting! The equivalent of pommeau with pears is poirineau though, not poireau (that’s how we say leeks in French 😁). I love these ideas about Nayru Pears and all the associated traditions and history!

If you’re looking for a cheese course Hebra could have something like a cheese fondue, fondue savoyarde or raclette. These hearty dishes are perfect for cold climates!

Sure it's not the Zonai’s fault, but I still wish things were different!

Yes I believe the Great Fairies are deities and are worshipped by the population (though maybe not throughout all eras since they are not always that easy to find). Their fountains kind of look like shrines after all. But it makes more sense to me that they would be worshipped directly at their fountains rather than in a separate temple. But maybe the ruins were once the fountains? And the Great Fairies needing offerings in BotW aligns with this idea that they might need followers!

The Gerudo do live in a desert in my version! I guess you thought it wasn't the case because I said Lanayru Province wouldn't be affected by climate change in this timeline? Well that is true, but here Lanayru is roughly the BotW province + a part of Central Hyrule, it's not the same place as Gerudo Desert. I have my own unified map of Hyrule similar to yours and I promise it makes a degree of sense ^^

Ah yes magical clothes would explain what was going on with Time!

Sure it wasn't Rauru alone so it wasn’t the best exemple, but it's still tremendous power that kind of dwarfs Link.

I definitely agree that the Sages should have been called something else! I still would find it a bit lame that you can face Ganondorf without completing all the main quests, but I'd be less pissed about it. I guess they could simply have been Hyrule's new Champions with their powers enhanced by Secret Stones and that would be it.

Ah yes it’s possible that the Sages in TotK are more like the Wise Men from AoL! I find that less interesting than the Seven Sages, but it could make sense.

No problem! It’s possible that my Sages will be related to the ancient Sages anyway, as you said. I just don’t feel obligated to do it that way ^^

OoT Ganondorf and soap opera? That sounds fun :D

Sure but the young vai can return to their childhood village if they so desire. That old couple in Tarrey Town hopes Mattison will be able to come back and marry there like her mom did for exemple, something like that would be impossible for the young voe. As someone who had to leave my childhood town for work and always longs to return, that sounds harsh!

I tend to see Hyrule as a fairy tale kingdom that doesn’t have such terrible infant mortality rates, but I understand if you're aiming for something more realistic.

Yeah I'd be more inclined to go with the second option and say non-organic monsters would be more powerful, but to each their own interpretation!

Now I’m wondering if Fi knows what a healthy relationship is haha. Would she have protested had Link treated her like an object?

Yeah making the Sage of Lightning Gan's sister is a bit predictable! I’m curious about what you’ll come up with!

Ah I see, this origin story makes sense for the Gerudo. I prefer to think they were always from Hyrule (or Hylia's Realm, or whatever it was called before) like the other races, but that works as well! And it makes sense for them to have round ears in this setting.

My only problem with people reincarnating as their own descendants is that I'm a Zelink shipper and I like to think at least some of their incarnations got together after the games... so that means the next Link and Zelda would share the same bloodline, and also that some Links might have royal blood which I'm really opposed to. But well maybe Link is a bit of an exception, or his different incarnations are separated by enough time that he has no clue about his ancestors. Otherwise what you're saying makes complete sense and it explains why different iterations of the same character look so similar.

Oh so your Groose is partly an incarnation of Demise! I'm not going that road but I can see where this idea comes from. It is indeed a master plan :D

Ah yes of course your Gan and Nemma would have half Gerudo and Sheikah children! This is going to be interesting :D

I think there are heavy laborers among the Gerudo but we simply never got to see them. The same way I think the Rito built their village themselves even though we never saw any Rito carpenter (until Billson in TotK). I believe the Gerudo have enough physical strength to handle tasks usually reserved for men. There are also a lot of other jobs missing, I don’t think it means they don’t exist.

Haha the Twinrova spouting such liberal nonsense would be quite funny! It could also be Ganondorf himself (and his fragile ego once again) talking other men down 😆

I agree about magic, I don’t like the idea that it can fix everything. Healing magic isn’t exactly widespread anyway, and elixirs aren’t that powerful unless you use rare ingredients (such as fairies or hearty lizards). And you would need to be aware of a genetic disease in order to try doing something about it anyway.

I’ve been researching all the NPCs from BotW and TotK in order to build my own version of post-BotW Hyrule (I know almost all of them by heart now haha) and there’s this doctor called Spoone I had completely forgotten about. Well maybe because he’s not a doctor anymore in TotK (sigh), but that’s beside the point. Spoone explains to Link that Naydra’s scale is “some sort of miraculous medicine that works against all kinds of ailments”. So there’s that, but it’s not like the average Hylian can easily get their hands on a dragon scale. I don’t even know how this random dude knows about Naydra ^^

I know I have to be careful about how I handle the Gerudo and it can be tricky. I’m not saying what they’re doing is okay, just trying to understand why they work that way. You’re right about the Heroines being ashamed about what was done to the Eighth, and I loved that part of the story!

Yes this exemple with the female cats is the kind of vibe I’m going for! And if you remember in TotK Fegran watches over the children at night and says the Gerudo “are a big family”. So I think they all take responsibility for the vehvi in some way and have a strong sense of sisterhood.

Oh I see! It’s pretty tragic if Time is Tempo’s son and he has to travel to the future in order to avenge him. Poor dad Link :((

I want to do something similar and rearrange the timeline as well when I’ll have more time to think about it. I’d really love to get rid of the Downfall Timeline, I’m sure it’s possible to do things differently. I’d prefer to keep only the Adult and Child timelines but what you’re saying also makes sense.

So in this new version of things BotW is at the end of the two merged timelines? Does that change anything to the map you showed me? ^^

Thanks for adding the right picture!

@aikoiya The post was getting long again so here's a new one!

Anyway, whether OoT Zelda creates a new timeline or just sends Link further back in time, that's still huge time powers and that's not something Link is able to do by playing Zelda's Lullaby.

I'm kind of bad with names so I'm impressed you're going through all of that trouble to rename the settlements!!

Same, I was so excited when I heard about these pirates… and then so disappointed to find nothing more than a bunch of bokos with no backstory.

Vignoble is not related to noble (though I kind of make the association in my mind, especially since vignobles are sometimes called châteaux).

I don't mind helping you with French, I'm glad to do so! You put so much effort and thought into this, it's really interesting.

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Oh wow this must have been a surprise about your mom! This is really interesting. Have you tried to search where that singular percentage might come from?

Hmm, I think what you ate in that croissant was almond filling (more like cream), but I’m not sure. I’ve never seen a croissant filled with almond paste before, but croissants aux amandes filled with cream are pretty common. What we call almond paste in France (pâte d’amande) is actually the equivalent of German marzipan, if that helps. But I’m glad you enjoyed that croissant!! It’s still a funny coincidence that your mom brought you one.

A traditional dessert made with almond paste is the provençal “calisson” made with candied fruits (mostly melon and oranges), almonds and icing on top. They’re one of my favorite sweets and they always remind me of the place where I spend my summer vacations in Provence.

I’m not very big on desserts since I switched to a keto and then almost exclusively carnivore diet a few years ago, but I do have carbs once in a while when I feel like it. It’s mostly gluten I avoid like the plague because it gives me weird articular pain. Living in the land of baguettes, croissants, pains au chocolat and pâtisserie and not being able to enjoy all of that anymore is the tragedy of my life haha.

When I crave something sweet I mostly go for chocolate tablets or flourless desserts, so I guess I could enjoy something like a keto version of a cheesecake. Otherwise my favorite dessert is a traditional one my grandma used to make with chestnuts (!!) and chocolate, so luckily no gluten. It looks exactly like this except it doesn’t include chestnut spread and I don’t add that much sugar.

It's mostly something we do around Christmas though (sadly, I miss it the rest of the year). I’ve never tried it with chestnut spread, I’d be curious to taste it but I don’t think it needs it! My grandma used to peel the chestnuts herself and then cook them in milk, but I buy pre-cooked chestnuts to make my own purée and it’s just as good (on top of saving a lot of time).

Buffalo milk is indeed more of an Italian thing, but I’m sure we’d be making cheese with it if buffaloes were more common in France haha. Though I’d say maybe you don’t need to make the Zora 100 % French to the point of producing/enjoying cheese. They’re still a fish-like race and to me it doesn’t sound like something they would be inclined to do. Or maybe they could herd sea mammals such as dolphins, it’s a bit weird but it could be a fun idea to play with 😆

Or they could come up with some kind of vegan cheese made with algae, it’s apparently a thing now. Vegan cheese hurts my French soul, but I guess it would make sense here.

Also not all regions of France are equal when it comes to cheese, look at Brittany here to the west:

It’s funny because Brittany doesn’t lack cows and is a huge producer of milk, but it’s mostly used to make butter and cream. They are famous for their use of salted butter and for this monstrous traditional cake named “kouign-amann”, which literally means “butter cake” in Breton. I love salted butter, I can’t blame them haha.

Maybe you could also take inspiration from other French traditions, such as the infamous "trou normand" (Norman hole).

It’s custom in Normandy to drink a small glass of apple brandy between two dishes during a long meal, it’s supposed to serve as an interlude that helps with digestion (spoiler: it doesn’t 😆) and puts you back in appetite for the next course. Nowadays it’s also common to serve apple sorbet soaked in local brandy (the best way to do it in my opinion!!). Sometimes the trou normand can be served between the main course and the dessert, so something like sorbet could replace the cheese on your menu. But it’s just a suggestion of course ^^

I agree about the Yiga, as funny and lovable as they are as villains they should have been made to look more threatening. I really liked Sooga in AoC, I wish TotK had replaced Kohga with a new leader a bit more like him. I don’t know what I’m going to do about the Lightning Helm yet, but I want my Yiga to be a real threat and to be more explicitly in league with Ganondorf instead of doing their own thing.

Yes there are similarities but I don’t know, I still think the helmets are a bit much. But maybe I’m too fixated on rejecting anything Zonai haha (can’t help it!). The Skydiving Set is a bit of a mystery, but I think it looks more like something made by the Rito rather than the Zonai/Hylians. Maybe it was some sort of gift from them to the Hylians? It doesn’t look that ancient compared to the modern Rito style though.

I don’t mind at all that some races have Mesoamerican influences, I just find it a bit surprising for the Hylians. It would make more sense to see that in Tabantha maybe, if the Hylian population there had close ties with the Rito, but I don’t know. BotW also had Zonai architecture inspired by the Aztec but at the same time the Barbarian Set was something completely different, it’s a bit confusing. But I think we already talked about that ^^

Oh thanks for recommending botwstoriesandsuch, I think I’ll enjoy diving into these theories!!

I’m not sold on the worship of the Fae theory since we now know that the Great Fairies can move their fountains, so they could have lived anywhere 10 000 years before BotW. But it’s still an interesting theory. Agree on the Rito and trade routes though, and the post about the Zora lifespans is mindblowing!! I’m definitely going to use that in my designs, thank you! :D

I think the similarities between Ganondorf and Fudo don’t necessarily hint at a possible redemption for Gan, though it could be interpreted that way. BotW has this paradox of being a post-apocalyptic world, but instead of a dark and desolated landscape you get to explore a beautiful and vibrant land filled with wildlife. It’s as if the Calamity allowed the world to be reborn and nature to take back over civilization, so there could be a link with this idea of necessary destruction and TotK Ganondorf’s design could represent that.

You know what, I paused my work on ancient Hyrule for a bit since we were talking about the Sages, and I started thinking more about what I was going to do with my replacements for them. My first instinct was to go with Impa, but the more I think about it and the more I find that I agree with you, she’s not such a good choice. As you pointed out she’s very old, and she’ll already have an important role as Zelda’s counselor and such in my rewrite. So I’m going to need her and I can’t have her praying inside her Temple for the rest of the story. So yeah, all things considered, I might be willing to give Paya a chance :D I think she also has more room for development/a character arc, since she’s young and inexperienced.

Haha yes, I was mostly joking about Time. Impa piercing his ears was one of my favorite things from the manga though, I really appreciated the explanation. But it will never stop being funny to me that Time wakes up with his ears pierced and no one ever mentions it like it's completely normal.

Ah yes the white tights 😆 I don’t mind them, Time’s design is still my favorite among all the Links. But I sure don’t want to know who put that on him while he was asleep 😅

It could be that it’s harder to breathe on Skyloft, it would definitely make sense. Though I guess it would also mean that Sky and Sun might have a really hard time adapting to the Surface then? Or on the contrary would they find it easier being there? Not sure how this would work.

I guess I’m not a fan of that logic since it implies we have to see everything the Links do as real with a story reason behind it. Like if I am to believe that Sky really has such limited stamina, then I also have to imagine that the way he’s shown to fight in SS is accurate. And Sky’s sword technique wasn’t that impressive to say the least, so I prefer to think it’s just a gameplay thing that made use of the motion controls, and that Sky would actually be an extremely skilled swordsman as all the Links are supposed to be.

Also are Wild and AoL Link truly the only ones who can jump whenever they want? Is Wild completely unable to dive underwater for some reason, and can he really eat 250 apples in the middle of a fight? Can Time really not stay underwater for more than a few seconds? And so on. I understand that it’s fun and sometimes interesting to justify game mechanics with story reasons, but I don’t think this logic can be consistent ^^

The lack of candidates for the new Sages is indeed a bit of a problem. I have a few of them figured out but not all, so even if you wanted me to tell you I couldn't at the moment ^^. Let's just say that I'm doing my best to end with as few OCs as possible, but I might not be able to avoid them completely.

Yes some of the Sages were fighters, you could also add Darunia to your list. It's just that being able to fight or to use magic isn't what makes one a Sage in my opinion, there should be more to it.

I also think we need to be careful when giving the Champions and Sages magical abilities, because it's getting harder and harder to believe that Link is the only who can do what he does. Urbosa for example is extremely powerful on top of being highly skilled with a blade, and she might just be able to zap a non magically-gifted swordsman like Link. Let’s not even talk about Rauru and the way he obliterated these Moldugas.

I think characters can still be active in the story without being fighters or wizards. Take Makar and Medli for example, they were extremely useful in WW and they never fight or use any kind of magic. To me there's being a damsel in distress doing nothing and waiting to be saved (such as the Seven Maidens from ALttP for example) and having no extraordinary powers but still doing what you can. I might even say that having the courage to act against all odds might be part of what makes one a Sage. In OoT the Sages were the only ones willing/able to take action for example. Even little and powerless Saria went to the Forest Temple hoping to do something about it when she had basically no chance of success, and in a way I find that more interesting/impressive than if she could use some kind of nature-related magic to defend herself. I definitely wouldn’t call her a damsel in distress, she was extremely brave.

I'm not only doing that because I’m attached to tradition, I genuinely preferred the way things were before when it comes to the Sages. I'm not opposed to change, as long as it doesn't completely contradict what was introduced before and brings something more interesting to the story. TotK took away the more spiritual/religious role of the Sages and also made them a bit useless since you don’t even need them to finish the game, and to me these are huge mistakes.

I have a few doubts about the Sage role only being passed down through the bloodline but this is going to start an entire other debate haha. I’ll just say I find this bloodline thing a bit tiring and predictable, and it’s a tradition I’d gladly remove. I don’t really like the idea that the Sages are chosen just because they are descended from some dude who also happened to be a Sage, or that the worthiest people in Hyrule are always from the same bloodlines.

Yes Riju etc. weren't the Champions in BotW, but they were still the most important characters in the four main quests. I don't know, I just find it a bit repetitive. Now I think there's plenty of things for them to do besides becoming the Sages. They can help their people and deal with what’s happening to their province, help Link find the actual Sage, assist him in combat, give him precious information, have their own problems to solve, etc. I don't see why Link and the Sages should be the only active characters in the entire kingdom, and I have plenty of ideas for them 😁

It’s funny that you say I might be too attached to traditions but then insist on the Sages being the leaders or being descended from ancient Sages. Just pointing out what seems like a small contradiction, I hope that doesn’t sound rude ^^.

Anyway I think the leaders also being Sages made sense in older games where the cast was more limited, but now that we have entire sets of NPCs with names and occupations we could have the Sages and leaders be different characters. That's another change I’d gladly welcome. Because isn't it so predictable that the chief or their heir often ends up being the Sage? Besides this is mostly an OoT thing: neither Medli nor Makar were leaders, or most of the Sages from ALBW if I remember correctly.

The Sage of Water is the one I had the easiest time choosing haha. So neither of these characters, and not an OC. But yes, Mipha and Sidon are descendants of a Princess Ruto :D Maybe that will be relevant...

I understand feeling bad for them, but don't worry they will all have their own roles to play. But probably not as Sages ^^

You're right about the Sages and their vows to Link, it probably wouldn't have the same significance here. I don't think I'll be doing that anyway. I'm gladly getting rid of the ghosts, I found them so annoying I never activated them (except for Tulin when I needed him). Good riddance haha. But one thing I didn't mention is that Link won't be alone, I'm giving him a companion character (but I’m not saying more on that 😇).

No Cadence of Hyrule Zelink then! So do you have a hc for Time’s mother as well? And Cadence Link fighting and dying in the Civil War sounds like an interesting story 👀

Yes that's how I view Ganondorf as well! That metaphor with the butterfly is perfect.

Then I guess if being human is what makes Ganondorf different from Demise, it doesn't matter whether he's Demise reincarnated as a human or only an incarnation of his hatred? If Demise was hatred personified then becoming human would also make him more than that. But yeah sorry I guess I’m just nitpicking at this point! I see what you mean with the shoulder demon.

Yes he definitely doesn't take being rejected by the Triforce well haha. But I wonder if a part of him also doesn't enjoy chasing Link and Zelda and being able to prove his superiority by taking their pieces from them.

I guess the problem with allowing young boys into Gerudo Town is that they would be forced to move out once they become adults. Can you imagine leaving all your life there, and then being forcefully taken away from your family and never allowed to return because you just turned 18? I don't know, I'm not entirely sure it would make things better. I think the men and boys living in Kara Kara Bazaar might be a better solution.

Haha yes I read a few reviews of Mars Needs Moms and it wasn’t exactly well received. Too bad, the premise sounded interesting enough.

Yes the Gerudo accept Link in TotK, but in BotW he still had to crossdress even after dealing with Vah Naboris. I was expected Riju to thank him and give him his member card or something like that, but that never happened. Maybe she just finds it funny seeing him run around dressed as a vai, I don’t know 😆

I tend to think the same thing about the Wolfos and organic vs. non-organic monsters, it just makes sense. Not sure which ones would be more powerful though, but otherwise I agree.

Ah yes I love the Masamune and Muramasa story, it’s really interesting and perfectly applies to SS. Though to me a demon in the Zelda universe is basically any creature made of/corrupted by malice. That goes from Demise to the most basic monsters, though I tend to use the term “demon” specifically to refer to humanoids such as Demise and Ghirahim or to the other big bads. So yes Ghirahim is a sword spirit (though I’d say he seems to have a bit more agency and freedom than Fi) but also a demon to me, simply because he’s part of the mazoku. And of course he’s also referring to himself as a “demon lord”.

Maybe Demise only saw Ghirahim as a part of himself and thought he had no other purpose than serving him? Besides Ghirahim himself doesn’t seem bothered by it. He was laughing when Demise turned him into his sword, I guess that was his goal all along.

Oh interesting, it makes sense that Koume and Kotake would kidnap him as a child. Do you have something in mind for his sister as well? I have a feeling she might end up being the Gerudo Sage ^^

That could be the case about the round ears and the Gerudo voe. Though I wonder if the Gerudo truly had round ears originally, there’s really no way to know. Maybe they had Hylian ears but ended up with round ears after years of conflicts with Hyrule that forced them to find partners elsewhere. Also I’ve always wondered what happened to the Gerudo while the Hylians were on Skyloft. I’m not a fan of the “Groose is the ancestor of the Gerudo” theory, I really think they are different people/races from the start and that the Gerudo already existed at that time. So if that’s the case they still had to find males in the absence of Hylians and might have been forced to search for mates outside of Hylia’s Realm.

You might be right about modern times. Though to me if this was what the Gerudo have been doing for millennia it might just be a perfectly “normal” situation for them and the men who father their children. Or at least the Hylians would know what to expect from the vai. I don’t know. Also the population being low is a BotW thing, it was not always the case.

Sure, I don’t think we can erase all problems from this situation ^^ I'm just trying to make it a bit more logical.

Absolutely, it’s unthinkable to abandon one’s children in some cultures, but here this is a very specific situation where we have an all-female tribe relying on another race for reproduction, so I’d say everything is possible and things might be interpreted differently.

It definitely makes sense that your Hebran people would not want to have children with the Gerudo in this setting. As for the Sheikah, I’m not sure we’ve ever seen a Gerudo-Sheikah child anyway. I wonder what that would look like!

Ah so it’s a law and it seems like the vai can’t escape the Gerudo police. How does that even work, do they magically know where each vai outside of Gerudo Town lives and how many daughters they have? Or do they only come for the daughters once the mothers agree and send word to Gerudo Town? I hope so 😅 This is very intriguing haha.

I guess the Hylians, Sheikah and Gerudo would know each other’s sensibilities when it comes to raising children and would either adapt their laws or know the do’s and don’ts. I can’t imagine that they wouldn’t think about these things.

It's not so shocking to me that an all-female race wouldn't need men that much, otherwise it doesn't make a lot of sense. It depends on how you view the Gerudo I guess, but sure things are complicated by the fact that they still need men to reproduce... I don't know. There's really no flawless way to explain all of this.

It’s definitely misandrist and ignorant, but I wouldn’t be surprised if this was the typical Gerudo mindset in OoT. It’s even worse in the French version of the game, she specifically uses the term “mâles” (same as “males” except that we usually don’t call men that, it’s mostly for animals) and then compares them to “larves”/larva 😆. The French translation of OoT is a bit wild sometimes haha.

About genetic diseases I guess that asks the question of how advanced medicine is in Hyrule anyway, or if they simply have access to healing magic to deal with that stuff. Because I'm not sure what they could do about things like heart disease anyway, but you said yourself this was an exaggeration ^^

Ah yes the children sleeping outside was really weird and concerning…

I understand that you’re fixated on this, don’t worry. Especially if it brings back bad memories :/ This is definitely a weird situation for the Gerudo.

I understand what you mean about removing moral complexity, I guess I’m just trying to make sense of why the Gerudo are this way and also find a way to make things less terrible for them. Because otherwise not being allowed to have a family life when you desire one is pretty cruel… So I’m trying to make things bearable for everyone, including the men, but there's really no ideal solution.

It’s possible that they wouldn’t be interested in romance, but I think there’s more to love than reproduction. Also raising children as a couple is probably easier than doing it alone, so even if they don’t engage in lesbian relationships they could still have female life partners, in a best friend or sisterly way.

Besides take the infamous “lesbian lizard” (New Mexico whiptail), an all-female species that reproduces through parthenogenesis. They do engage in mating behaviors between females, though in their case it seems to play a role in reproduction. So why not. But I’m not trying to turn the Gerudo into an entirely lesbian tribe haha.

Yes having an identical twin has to be an endless source of pranks! I can’t even imagine all the crazy things my brother would come up with.

You’re not irritating, don’t worry! I hope I didn’t give you that impression. It just takes a while writing these long posts in English and I don’t always have as much time as I’d like, but otherwise I enjoy chatting. But same, please tell if I’m being annoying!

@aikoiya The post was getting long again so here's a new one!

Anyway, whether OoT Zelda creates a new timeline or just sends Link further back in time, that's still huge time powers and that's not something Link is able to do by playing Zelda's Lullaby.

I'm kind of bad with names so I'm impressed you're going through all of that trouble to rename the settlements!!

Same, I was so excited when I heard about these pirates… and then so disappointed to find nothing more than a bunch of bokos with no backstory.

Vignoble is not related to noble (though I kind of make the association in my mind, especially since vignobles are sometimes called châteaux).

I don't mind helping you with French, I'm glad to do so! You put so much effort and thought into this, it's really interesting.

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You can tell me about your ancestry if you want, now I’m kind of curious! As far as I know I’m 100 % French myself so I don’t have much of a story to share (but I kind of like it that way to be honest).

Oh not even almond paste? That stuff is criminally good :D

Really you don’t have chestnut spread in the USA?? That’s tough, I feel for you all! It’s so easy to find here, especially around Christmas. What about candied chestnuts then? 😁

That recipe had me salivating!!

Yeah I don’t think Link managed to kill all of the Yiga he encountered in BotW either. I like the idea that some of them might return and try to kill him multiple times haha.

Well Ganondorf comes from an era where Hyrule was a lot less populated so he might not even realize just how much blood is on his hands, but it’s still is a lot to take in.

I’m glad you think my solution to Hyrule’s population problem is somewhat elegant! It could also be a good way to introduce new cultures, or characters who know what’s going on outside of Hyrule.

I didn’t necessarily mean the exact same shelter from TotK (I don’t think I’ll be keeping Lookout Landing anyway), but a place that would be the same kind of communal space and would have roughly the same function. But as I said I haven’t really thought much about it yet ^^

I understand what you mean about expecting things, but here I was only expecting a European inspired culture to have, well, more European roots. I know it’s a fantasy world and Hyrule’s past could look like anything and doesn’t have to match European history, but it still took me out of it when I saw the masks. My sister even burst out laughing, we were so confused 😅

I mean if the situation was reversed and Hyrule had a Mesoamerican culture, I would find it surprising as well if the ancient Hylians were suddenly made to look like ancient Greeks or Chinese. It would require an explanation that we didn’t really get here. So it could be that the Hylians tried to emulate Zonai looks and architecture, but I don’t know. That has me wondering about the kind of culture they were before Rauru, their technological advancement, and when this is all supposed to take place. I mean even in Skyward Sword’s distant past people didn’t look so tribal (based on Impa’s looks).

But it’s really mostly the masks and the jewellery I take issue with. I like the Archaic Set/the tunics worn by the ancient Hylians and Sonia & Zelda’s dresses, as well as the white body paint. I think it can look like an antique European look with a unique Hylian twist if you squint. The Archaic Set especially could be inspired by a Greek exomis or chiton.

I’m still playing with the designs for my version but I’m likely to follow this idea and take more inspiration from ancient Greece when it comes to clothing. As for the architecture, it should obviously be reminiscent of Skyward Sword so I’m going with the same style as the Forgotten Temple or Lanayru Promenade.

It’s possible Rauru thought the Gerudo would be more peaceful if they had access to more resources, I don’t know. All he says is that he’s “aware of Ganondorf’s evil nature” and “wants to keep him close”, so it looks like he thought Gan was the real threat and not the Gerudo as a whole.

Agreed about monarchy! Besides this is a universe where gods exist and divine right monarchy seems to be a thing, whether some fans like it or not.

I can definitely see the similarities between Fudo Myoo and TotK Ganondorf’s design, but I’ve also read that Fudo represents truth/wisdom (despite his frightful appearance) and that his sword is meant to “cut through ignorance”. I don’t really see how that would relate to Ganondorf. But I see why you find this interesting, and if the similarities really were intentional then it sure implies that Ganondorf has the potential to become a completely different person.

It’s not really that I don’t want to study that kind of things in depth, I find it genuinely interesting and it can give more context/fuel theories. I’ve also read a bit on the subject of Buddhism relating to Zelda lore myself. It’s mostly that I don’t want LoZ to be Buddhism and Shintoism retold haha, and I want things to make sense on their own. Take gloom vs. malice for example, the difference between the two wasn’t really understandable without first knowing about on’nen and shoki. In that case I think the game can’t just expect players to know everything about Buddhism.

What’s interesting with SS Impa is that I’m pretty sure she actually knew Hylia, so she could talk to Flora about both Sun and Hylia herself. Though in this timeline she only meets Sun briefly after Sky saves her from Ghirahim and Demise, so she doesn’t know her as well.

Isn’t the giant Bargainer statue also right under the Forgotten Temple? I guess it could be compared to the Mother Goddess Statue then?

I just don’t really see Paya as a Sage, but maybe she only needed an occasion to shine. I find her really cute but I don’t care that much about her as things are, to be honest. As for Purah, I thought she would end up being a Sage but my first choice would actually be Impa. It’s tradition and also she’s the oldest and wisest Sheikah ^^

Yes pronouns aren’t necessary in Japanese so a lot is left to context. Here it’s quite ambiguous so it’s no wonder the translations use either plural or singular.

Wind didn’t have to get swallowed by Jabun before he handed him his pearl though. My poor boy Time also had to skip seven years of his life and get his ears pierced for some reason 😆

Just kidding, you’re right about Wind being tested before he could reach Hyrule. But if one can only get to Hyrule Castle after finding the three pearls and being tested at the Tower of the Gods, I’d say Hyrule was pretty safe from the Zoras. But yeah, maybe the Goddesses or whoever flooded the kingdom went a bit extra.

Yes it’s possible that the water really drains vitality, but I guess I prefer to think that’s not the case because I find it a bit convoluted. You mean my thoughts on why Wind can’t swim for very long ?

I just think it’s more a gameplay mechanic than a story thing, I had actually never really thought about it. The same way it makes no sense storywise that Sky, a knight in training, can’t sprint for more than a few seconds before getting completely winded.

Though in Wind’s case it’s especially unnerving having to watch him drown because he got stuck somehow and couldn’t climb on Beetle’s stupid boat in time 😆

Yes that’s what I meant about the descendants of the Champions! It just felt too similar to BotW having the main quests revolve around the exact same characters in the exact same locations.

I do see the Sages as some kinds of high priests/priestesses, though the way they are perceived may vary a bit among the different tribes. I don’t think their roles are necessarily a once in a lifetime thing, though of course helping the Hero would be the height of their careers ^^

Sure it would help if they could always use magic to defend themselves, but think of the ones we saw before TotK. Which ones actually did? Most of them weren’t even fighters (like Saria, Ruto, Makar, Medli, Fado, Laruto, the ones from ALBW…). I guess the most notable exceptions would be the Sages from TP who really looked like magical beings.

I like the idea of giving the Sages’ powers a common theme, it makes sense! But no I haven’t figured it out yet haha. I need to know how these powers would be useful in the story and if Link will inherit them before I can decide, and I’m not there yet.

The ending of Hyrule Warriors looks like a perfectly “normal” use of the Triforce to me ^^ They make a wish and Ganon disappears, no need to fight him for one hundred years after that. I guess if Zelda had the Triforce in BotW she could also have saved Link instead of sending him to the Shrine of Resurrection.

I agree, I don’t see Sky and Sun as willing to crown themselves king and queen either and I believe Hyrule will be founded by their descendants. Actually I don’t think any Link wishes to be king. Besides there won’t be anyone to rule over before the other Skyloftians come to live on the Surface, and we’re not even sure when that happens.

Ah yes I forgot about the Minish Festival, so it has to be at least a few centuries. All of that works nicely! And the Potch makes sense!!

Haha I guess those guillotines in the Shadow Temple had to be put to good use. This is interesting! So if I got that correctly OoT Zelda is Cadence Zelda’s daughter in your lore?

Yes doomsday cults or satanism, of course. But to me Ganondorf’s desire is to rule over the world, not to destroy it. And then he ends up doing that anyway because he’s a tyrant and represents corrupted power, just not because that’s what he always intended to do. Or at least that’s how I see it. I mean he wanted to restore Hyrule to its former glory in WW so that it could be his, he wasn’t trying to bring the apocalypse.

I never really understood the difference between Ganondorf being influenced by Demise or by his hatred. To me Demise is like… hatred personified. What is he besides hatred?? I don’t understand how that distinction is supposed to give Gan more agency, but maybe that’s just me. Besides if he’s specifically born to be an incarnation of Demise’s hatred I don’t really see how that makes redemption possible for him.

But I'm fine with it as long as he's still making his own choices, as you said. And like you I don’t see Demise as being very intelligent, he really is just a brute.

Oh I see! Sure they could have shown the vai writing to their fathers or talking about them. They could also have allowed us to free Wabbin, it was really strange that Link didn’t even try to help this poor guy.

It would have been really sweet seeing Gerudo travelers visit their fathers. And yes Wild should have become an honorary Gerudo/been allowed into their city. It’s ridiculous that Riju doesn’t reward him after he dealt with Vah Naboris.

I had never even heard about Mars Needs Moms, but I see what you mean ^^

I guess another explanation could be that BotW Link is around 17-18 and might look like a teenage vai in the Gerudo Set, while he’s a young man of almost 25 in TotK. I guess mothers would naturally be more cautious. But I think the Gerudo should know who he is anyway and that he’s no threat to children at all.

I agree about malice/monsters being born from people and not only from demons, I believe that’s why Ganondorf can rise monsters. We also know it can work the other way around thanks to Batreaux in Skyward Sword, and that demons can become humans when exposed to positive emotions.

Yes that’s what I meant when I said the monsters wouldn’t be such a problem without the Calamity! They will never go completely extinct, but they would be far less numerous and dangerous. Also in times where Hyrule has a decent military the monsters would probably be taken care of and the roads secured.

Yes it could be a mortal and not necessarily a demon! It’s just that I always wondered if there were other demons besides Ghirahim that served Demise, and how their hierarchy worked.

Absolutely, that’s why I tend to put the three games together on their own separate timeline haha. I never really liked the placement of FSA after TP anyway, it feels really out of place to me.

Ealiyah sounds like an interesting place! I love this association with the 8th Heroine. I also wish we had a Gerudo settlement in the Gerudo Highlands, I was really curious about what it could look like.

Relations between Hylians and Gerudo probably were a bit… tense after Ganondorf became the Demon King, but we don’t really know what happened. I guess it all depends on whether most of the Gerudo sided with him or with their Sage. We only see monsters in his army and no Gerudo after all. Also Mineru and Zelda probably did their best to ensure peace.

Something that’s intriguing to me is that TotK Ganondorf still has the OoT round ears. What does this mean? Were humans with round ears around in this era, and is that why Gan looks the way he does? So maybe back then the Gerudo could find other allies and weren’t forced to rely on the Hylians to find partners?

Yes of course some men could change their minds, and some couples would still fall in love even in that setting. There are always exceptions. But there are also enough men IRL who leave their wives and children and don’t seem to care that much. And if some change their minds they can’t enter the city anyway.

Also think of what marriage to a Gerudo means to a Hylian man. Not only will he probably be separated from his family, but it also means that his descendants will only be Gerudo, and only girls. What about men who dream of having sons, or who have land/a business they wish to pass on to their children. They would have no way to be sure their Gerudo daughters would be interested in leaving Gerudo Town to take after the family business once adults. Marrying a vai is no small decision then, even if the man in question happens to fall in love with one.

So I still think marriage isn’t the best way to go, both for the vai and the men. At least not until we see a place like Ealiyah where the vai live with their families. But of course some people might still go for it like Hudson and Rhondson, and be willing to deal with the consequences if their love is strong enough.

I also think the Gerudo might not be as romantically dependent on men/interested in them as Hylian women are, and that growing up without a father isn’t as detrimental to them. In OoT they didn’t seem very interested in marriage, and the one who gives Time his member card even calls men useless. So them looking for husbands in BotW/TotK could be the state of their culture at the moment, but not the default they always adhered to or something that’s natural for them. I also think that, being an all-female race, it would be perfectly natural for them to take female partners. Especially in a setting where they were once able to reproduce without men thanks to their deity.

As for genetic illnesses, well, isn’t that always a possibility?

Having a twin is fun! Though I’m glad I have a brother and not an identical twin, I’m not sure I would enjoy that 😅

And yes I feel you, being the older sibling can be tough.

@aikoiya The post was getting long again so here's a new one!

Anyway, whether OoT Zelda creates a new timeline or just sends Link further back in time, that's still huge time powers and that's not something Link is able to do by playing Zelda's Lullaby.

I'm kind of bad with names so I'm impressed you're going through all of that trouble to rename the settlements!!

Same, I was so excited when I heard about these pirates… and then so disappointed to find nothing more than a bunch of bokos with no backstory.

Vignoble is not related to noble (though I kind of make the association in my mind, especially since vignobles are sometimes called châteaux).

I don't mind helping you with French, I'm glad to do so! You put so much effort and thought into this, it's really interesting.

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I’m glad you’re looking forward to my replies :D

Putting it on the sign in Port Bordemer would make sense!

I get you, learning about other cultures is fascinating! And I’m happy to help with French. I can see how learning about your origins came as a surprise to you, I guess it can change your perspective ^^

This Snapper Marrondine sounds like something I’d like to taste, I love chestnuts too! But I guess almond trees could also grow in the south of Hyrule, maybe somewhere around Gerudo Desert. The Gerudo could use them to make typical oriental pastries.

Haha don’t worry, I understand that it can be difficult to keep track of all the changes I’m making in my rewrite. I guess it’s easier when you pretend that TotK doesn’t exist (and I’ve gotten very good at that 😇).

Well, to me if the Hylians were so defenseless the Yiga would have had no trouble taking over Hyrule before Link woke up. So either they were not that interested in attacking Hylian settlements, they couldn’t for some reason, or the Hylians were able to defend themselves. So why would the Yiga be in a better position to threaten Hyrule now that Link has greatly weakened them and Calamity Ganon is defeated?

That’s why I think the Yiga are more likely to hide and lick their wounds after BotW than to start attacking again, and they probably won’t show much of themselves before Ganondorf returns. Link/the Sheikah are also likely to give them chase after BotW. And how many are they, anyway? Link probably killed quite a few of them already (even though the game always showed them teleporting away), and I found their numbers a bit ridiculous in TotK compared to the amount of NPCs. They’re like one quarter of Hyrule’s population 😆

As for the monsters, in my understanding they should disappear for the most part after Calamity Ganon is dealt with, and then return with Ganondorf.

About the size of the Hylian population, it is extremely low in BotW but I assume that the game doesn’t show us the total population that survived the Calamity, otherwise the numbers would be quite ridiculous. If Hyrule was a real medieval European kingdom its population could be up to a few millions before the Calamity, so even if 90 % of the Hylians died or fled the kingdom (and that’s huge!!) we would still have a few 100 000 survivors. I guess it would make a lot of things possible when it comes to rebuilding Hyrule.

But BotW only shows us a few hundred NPCs and I understand that doubling or tripling that number without an explanation might not be a very elegant solution (even though that wouldn’t have bothered me had it happened in TotK). That’s why I’ll have Hylians returning from exile as an excuse to introduce new characters and make the rebuilding effort more plausible (though of course it would take some time for these people to arrive). And yes, I want the other races to help ^^

A tavern would be a good option, or a place like the underground shelter in Lookout Landing. I guess it will depend on the importance of these characters and their associated side quests. And yes I was planning to use the quarry and have Mabe rebuilt! Though most of the buildings would be timber-framed as stone would mostly be used for the cathedral, the city walls, the castle, or military buildings.

To be honest I’m mostly working on ancient Hyrule and Zelda’s quest in the past at the moment (and it’s a bit complicated haha), and then once I’ll be done I’ll move to present Hyrule. As of now I have a few ideas but it’s not very detailed yet.

I was only saying the masks look weird on Hylians, I know they are of Mesoamerican influence (sorry about that). They’re just not what I expected at all. And I don’t know, they don’t even look Zonai to me. Like I don’t see Rauru wearing something like that, but maybe that’s just me?

Haha your interpretation makes sense, I hadn’t thought about the role reversal. But even without it I too disagree with the whole colonizing/imperialism discourse. Sure I found that TotK’s story was handled in a very clumsy way and Rauru asking another king to join his kingdom is quite condescending, but I guess the intent was to depict him as a benevolent godlike being trying to unify the different tribes and to offer his protection. There’s no evidence that he used violence against any of the tribes or would have done so against the Gerudo had they kept rejecting him (in fact Rauru is the one defending against Ganondorf). The tribes accepted his rule because they believed he was a descended from the gods.

I’m not saying this is a good story and I can see why people dislike it (I do too). I just don’t think Rauru is the monster some fans are claiming he is, and that TotK Ganondorf is a victim of oppression.

I read somewhere that Ganondorf was inspired by Acala/Fudō Myōō (I had forgotten the name and it took me some time to find it again haha). Is that the mythological being you were referring to?

Well yes in my version the ancient Sheikah would have a design closer to SS Impa ^^ And you’re right about her still being alive 😉 At first I was hesitant about including her because I wanted to avoid having two characters named Impa/two versions of her in the same story, but her presence makes so much sense that I had to. She plays a very important role in my timeline and it makes things easier if Flora can meet her instead of only hearing about her.

You’re right I don’t consider the amiibo weapons to be canon, and I never bought the other items from the Bargainers except for the Depths Set and the Dark Link one (I find enough Bomb Flowers and all on my own haha). So yeah I didn’t care much for them, but maybe that comes with my general lack of interest for the Depths. But what you’re saying about the Sheikah would have made things more interesting! I wish Josha would uncover that kind of lore about the statues.

I agree, I was expecting a Sheikah to take after Mineru and become the Sage of Spirit (but I thought Purah would be the Sage rather than Paya). Though I would also have loved to see a Shadow Temple in the Depths, it would have been so perfect.

Oh you’re right the Miner’s Set could be shaped for a Mogma’s head! And that fits perfectly with what I’m doing 😇

Now to be honest I’m not planning to include the Depths in my version. There will be an underground map with galleries and settlements built by the Mogma, but not this entire reversed Hyrule with Light Roots and everything else. So I didn’t plan on keeping the Bargainers either but I’ll see if I can do something with them ^^

About the Fishmen I checked the Japanese text to see which of the two translations is the most faithful:

過去に赤獅子の王に世話になったらしく [Link]に情報を流し協力するただし、的外れな情報が多い万年、肩こりで悩んでいるが肩こりは、肩を冷やしたらいけないことを知らないようだ

As I expected I can’t tell if it’s plural or singular, that’s up to interpretation. The part about the cold is present in the original but if I’m not mistaken there’s nothing about old age, 万年 means something like for a very long time/for eternity.

Haha yes I remember reading about that Spanish name for the Fishman somewhere, it’s quite funny. I think Poiscom and Neptunos could be actual names as well, but it’s really ambiguous. The German Neptunos is especially interesting to me, it’s similar to Zephos and Cyclos (they have the same names in German).

I don’t know about keeping Heroes away from the Master Sword, the Links always find it at the right time and no one could have taken it before Wind anyway. To me it makes more sense that the sword was hidden from Ganondorf himself. He can’t take it from the pedestal but he could try to destroy it/undo the seal, as he was trying to do by killing the Sages.

I was talking about the monsters that live on the Great Sea and threaten the Hylians rather than the ones frozen in the castle ^^ If “the gods” could make sure that the Zora wouldn’t be able to live in their magic waters, it would have made sense for them to do the same with the monsters if they wanted to protect their people. But maybe you’re right and “the gods” couldn’t do so because the monsters are made of magic, I don’t know.

But I wonder if the Zora (or a Hylian wearing a Zora tunic) could really reach Hyrule if they dove to the bottom of the sea, I was always under the impression that there was a magical barrier of some sort. Hyrule only gets truly flooded after the King’s wish on the Triforce, and Hyrule Castle has pools and waterfalls which shouldn’t be possible underwater. Link is also moving around just fine. It’s as if the kingdom was under a dome (or maybe the castle only), and to me it doesn’t look like the Zora could reach it just by swimming.

Wind sure drowns quickly but he has the exact same stamina in fresh water. I can’t remember if the water in Forest Haven is deep enough to swim but on Dragon Roost Island you can swim in hot spring water and the timer appears as well. Sky and Wild also have stamina wheels and they don’t swim in magic water (but sure they’re not sea island kids so they’re less likely to be good swimmers than Wind).

Ganondorf does say something about “vast seas no one can swim across” though, but it’s in contradiction with what I just said about Link being able to swim in the Great Sea as in any other kind of water. He’s also talking about Tetra’s dreams when he makes that comment and is the only one who ever mentions that, so maybe it’s not to be taken literally? At least I don’t think there’s enough evidence in the game alone to come to definitive conclusions, so I believe there’s room for interpretation. And yours is perfectly valid, it’s just not the theory I prefer ^^

Ah yes I forgot to specify but I don’t really want Yunobo, Riju and Sidon to be Sages this time. Since Tulin’s was the first quest I did I was expecting the other Sages to be new characters as well, and I ended up being disappointed that they reused the same cast on top of having the regional phenomena quests at the exact same four locations. I might keep Tulin as the Sage of Wind but I think I’ll do things differently for the others, and I’m adding Shadow, Forest, Light and Earth as well. Also yes Yunobo not having Daruk’s Shield anymore made no sense, and Sidon’s power was kind of useless.

I’m not completely opposed to giving my Sages magic, I just don’t know what form it could take yet. Maybe it will be similar to what we saw in TotK, maybe it won’t. But the purpose of these Sages is not to help Link fight, it’s more in line with previous lore where they were guardians of the Sacred Realm/the Triforce and their true power only activated when they were all awakened by Link. So they could have magic of course, it’s just not what defines them.

I’d also prefer for Link to get new powers/abilities in the dungeons rather than after beating the bosses, so he might not inherit them from the Sages. But I don’t know, I still need to think about it. As I said I’m mostly working on Zelda’s part in the past at the moment. Otherwise yes I think they’re going to stay in their respective temples to protect them and meditate/pray after Link helps them. And echolocation is a really interesting idea for the Sage of Water or Sidon!

Yes Flora’s mark was shining but she’s also supposed to wield Hylia’s power, it could just represent that. I don’t know we’ve never seen anyone use the Triforce like that before. All I can say for sure is that she doesn’t have it my timeline 😆

Oh that’s interesting, people usually assume that Hyrule was founded by Sky and Sun or their children. How much time do you think passed between Skyward Sword and the War of the Bound Chest?

One of the reasons this Zelda will become Queen is because her parents are the Sages of Time and Light and already act as rulers without being crowned, and they also know that Hylia will reincarnate in their bloodline because of Flora (Sonia knows they’re related as she does in TotK). The Imprisoning War just happened and they know the kingdom will need a princess with the power to seal Calamity Ganon.

Thanks, I’m definitely having fun with this story! And I can’t wait to share more.

Well in Ganondorf’s case being Demise’s reincarnation kind of condemns him to wish for the world’s destruction for no other reason than because this is what demons do, as it doesn’t really make sense for a mortal man to desire such a thing. I prefer to think that he’s just a man consumed by his hatred and thirst for power until it turns him into a monster, it has much more meaning in my opinion. I think it’s a bit different with Hylia and Zelda because their motivations make sense both for a goddess and a Hylian princess, they’re only defending their people/their world against evil and it feels less like Zelda is robbed of agency to me.

People also tend to write Ganondorf as being manipulated by Demise ever since we learnt about the curse. I’ve seen countless stories about him being a good guy or trying to get his redemption until Demise makes him his vessel. As much as I love Hero’s Purpose by MajorLink, that’s what happens in this story and it makes Ganondorf a victim who can’t get his redemption despite trying to. What’s the message there? I much prefer the idea that Ganondorf is turned into a demon by his own hatred rather than because it was a fate he could never escape.

I understand that you’re fixated on the whole Gerudo situation, things are a bit weird and we never got any real explanation. But I like that they’re such a unique race and I find them really interesting as they are.

Is it stated in the game that young vai are not even allowed to send letters to their fathers? I can’t remember. If so that’s… terrible.

Well, why would young vai talk to older men outside of close relatives anyway? Telling children not to interact with strangers is pretty common, it’s not that weird to me.

It’s okay about the Sand Goddess haha! I’m not saying this theory is perfect anyway, I’m just trying to piece things together and getting contradiction helps.

About the monsters not being an issue all the time, I was thinking of the memory where Link gets hurt after fighting a bunch of Lynels and Bokoblins in BotW. Here’s what Zelda says:

“It seems that, not only is the frequency of these types of attacks on the rise… but the scale of beasts we are facing as well. I fear that this is an omen which portends the return of Calamity Ganon.”

So maybe there are always monsters around but not in such large proportions, and not the most powerful types. We also know that Calamity Ganon resurrects them with the Blood Moon, and TotK Ganondorf was able to summon an army when he became the Demon King. To me that means the monsters need a powerful source of malice to multiply.

I don’t know about the War of the Bound Chest, there might have been a villain that simply didn’t get mentioned. For example what if Ghirahim wasn’t the only demon lord and another took his place after SS? Besides I know you disagree (and it’s also how canon is) but I still have a hard time including Minish Cap in the main timeline. It’s so different and clearly has it’s own lore.

I see what you mean about the Gerudo having male children, but then I wonder why they simply wouldn’t have Gerudo boys. It makes even less sense to me than them having no boys at all?

What you’re saying about the possible genetic takeover of the Gerudo and them already looking bad makes sense. I guess my solution to both these problems would be that in a realistic setting the Gerudo would rarely marry their children’s fathers. Honestly marriage sounds like a bad idea both for them and the men they choose, unless they go against the rules and don’t send their daughters to Gerudo Town. But I believe the majority of them want their daughters to be raised by Gerudo, and at the same time would prefer to avoid that terrible situation that Rhondson, Hudson and Mattison faced.

I mean I wouldn’t want to marry a man knowing that I’ll have to choose between him and my daughters in a few years, and the man in question likely wouldn’t be interested either knowing that our daughters will be sent away and I might leave with them. Why would a Hylian man choose this life instead of marrying a Hylian woman and being able to stay with his family? He would need to be madly in love with his Gerudo vai to the point of never considering life with another woman.

That’s why it’s much more plausible to me that most Gerudo would leave their city to find partners and then return to give birth and raise their children there. Some men might even travel to Kara Kara Bazaar in order to meet with vai, and since they would not marry them they would still be available for Hylian women later. But of course something like that is not really suitable in a game aimed at children so it’s better to say the Gerudo are looking for husbands.

Oh that’s interesting! I didn’t know that could happen with monozygotic twins. I’m a dizygotic twin myself, I have a twin brother ^^

You’re not discouraging me, don’t worry! Your perspective is interesting and you often bring up things I didn’t consider :D

@aikoiya The post was getting long again so here's a new one!

Anyway, whether OoT Zelda creates a new timeline or just sends Link further back in time, that's still huge time powers and that's not something Link is able to do by playing Zelda's Lullaby.

I'm kind of bad with names so I'm impressed you're going through all of that trouble to rename the settlements!!

Same, I was so excited when I heard about these pirates… and then so disappointed to find nothing more than a bunch of bokos with no backstory.

Vignoble is not related to noble (though I kind of make the association in my mind, especially since vignobles are sometimes called châteaux).

I don't mind helping you with French, I'm glad to do so! You put so much effort and thought into this, it's really interesting.

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Sorry this took forever (once again), I did what I could but I was very busy this week! And this one is quite long haha.

My French brain doesn't really like commas in names either, that's why I said earlier that the part after the comma wouldn't actually be part of the name but more like a description. Like it would only be written “Château Marée-Chant” on a sign outside, but a character could say something like "bienvenue au Château Marée-Chant, la brasserie du Clos".

I see! Then in this setting it makes sense to give the building and the brasserie different names. Oh these chairs are perfect!! And the mosaic tables with wave patterns sound great ^^

Well yes I knew about Martha and Martha's Landing (Baie de Martha in French), but I had no idea she was an unnamed mermaid in English! So yes this was obvious to us French players haha. I guess legends about merfolk sightings could be interesting, and it would be fun to include a quest about a mermaid!

I don't think the boulders at the entrance to the Great Plateau are that much of a problem? The Hylians and Sheikah excavated the Divine Beasts, the Guardians and the Shrines, so I don't see why they wouldn't be able to deal with something like that. And this time they can use technology to help with all the digging. Realistically I don't see why they would need the Upheaval to access the Plateau again, unless they don't make it a priority. And I believe the Plateau is a very important place in Hylian culture that no one has been able to visit in a hundred years, so they might be eager to access it again. Not to mention that the Sheikah tech doesn't disappear in my rewrite, so the Shrine of Resurrection still exists and they might want to make sure they can still use it or simply study it.

Yes the central town square will be the main focus of the rebuilding effort, and I was going roughly with the same ideas you suggested. I also want Link and Zelda to have a house there, and representants of other races and villages will also need a place to stay in Castle Town. And of course there will be barracks and a place where Link can train soldiers, since renovating the castle will take years and it probably isn’t Zelda’s priority.

Haha yes I understand the feeling! Cece’s hat is an abomination.

Oh a Lynel with griffon hindquarters would be interesting! And you're right about pegasi and all, they would be a great addition.

Yeah I'm not a fan of the way the ancient Hylians were dressed either, but at least they didn't look too different from their leaders. Except for the weird masks/helmets maybe.

I remember your theory about Ganondorf and the Sheikah, and that would be an interesting way to explain his appearance (I knew about the parallels between him and samurai btw). I just wish the game would have let us see the ancient Sheikah and what they were up to. And I'll probably change his design a bit for my rewrite because my Ganondorf definitely isn't a Sheikahphile haha.

The existence of the Bargainers is interesting but what they do... really isn't to me. Why and how do they sell Link pieces of armor and replicas of legendary weapons in exchange for poes?? Otherwise yes him being a male deity would have me interested! Lore accurate Hades sounds cool.

Yes I remember that the Fishmen mention a debt to the King of Red of Lions that was never explained. About the figurine, the French text says the same thing as the English version: "Un jour, le Lion Rouge lui a rendu un service. Il essaie donc de s'acquitter de sa dette envers lui en donnant des informations à Link. Malheureusement, il ne comprend pas tout correctement et ses indications sont parfois approximatives. Il souffre d'un torticolis chronique dû à la vieillesse et ne semble pas être au courant que le froid aggrave son état."

Though the text uses the singular "il"/he, as if there was only one Fishman, and the figurine is named Poiscom (a pun with poisson/fish and homme/man). It's the only time this name appears to my knowledge, as characters usually refer to the Fishmen as "hommes-poissons". This is a bit weird so I wonder what the Japanese text says (but I know that it can be difficult to differentiate between singular and plural in Japanese so it might not be helpful). I'd say the part about "stiff necks" makes more sense applied to a specific character rather than an entire race, but are we supposed to believe this one fish dude is able to meet Link at every island he visits? Weird!

Yes yes, the game confirms that there's no fish, I'm not denying that. What's not stated in the game is that the water is magic instead of, well, just plain ordinary water (or at least I couldn't find it). So what I'm saying is only that the absence of fish isn't proof that the water is magic ^^

And I find it a bit strange that the deities who flooded Hyrule in order to keep it safe from Ganon would do so with magic waters that repel fish/the Zora, but not monsters. Like wasn't keeping evil away the whole point? What kind of logic would that be?

So if the Fishmen could be related to Jabun... then they could simply be the new Zora. It would make more sense for them to take on an even more fish-like appearance in this new setting rather than to turn into birds. Also Link himself can swim in the Great Sea and he's not a spirit, there's no difference with the water on Forest Haven for example. But yeah I guess it could be different for species that breathe underwater.

I'm still debating whether I should give the Sages the same kind of power they have in TotK. It makes sense and at the same time... I don't really like that the Sages are basically like the Champions now, I preferred when their powers were more mysterious and they had a more spiritual nature. But I don't know. I just want to differentiate them from the Champions and make them more than just warriors.

As for the Sheikah technology and the runes, yes I thought Zelda could help develop some of it. But her relationship with the ancient tech has to be a bit complex because she knows Ganon will use it to destroy her kingdom in the future. So of course she is conflicted about it and wonders if she shouldn't try to prevent what happened. I can't believe she never had a thought about that in TotK!!

Oh I didn't know about a possible link between the Champion's abilities and the spells from AoL! That's interesting and it could work with the Sages.

Yes, that's exactly what happens in my timeline! No one uses the Triforce so it stays exactly where it is in SS, and no one knows where it is except for the Sages (even the Sheikah don't know more than SS Impa did).

The Triforce appeared on Zelda's hand in BotW but I never liked the theory that it was hidden in her bloodline or whatever. If that was the case she could just have wished for Ganon's death, and we also know that Sky had the mark on his hand before actually finding the Triforce so it could mean anything. And then if Flora already has it feels a bit silly to send her on a quest to find it haha. Besides... who says she's going to succeed? 😇

SS Impa says that Hylia "has only just sealed Demise" in the past, so to me it was always a few years at most after Hylia lifted Skyloft up in the sky. But sure it's a bit vague.

Hehe, well your interrogations about Sky, Sun, the Master Sword and their place in this timeline are very good questions. Of course I have taken care of all of that, but I would need to explain a lot of other things to answer properly and this is also really spoilery territory. I'm dying to share my doc that puts this timeline together because I'm so proud of it, but I fear you'll have to wait for me to start posting all this stuff on my blog :D

Just know that there is a Chosen Hero and a mortal incarnation of Hylia. They will be born at the same time as Sky and Sun in this timeline... but not on Skyloft. And I'm taking liberties with what BotW told us of Hyrule's history. I wanted to leave BotW as untouched as possible, but then I got an idea I really couldn't let go. So let's just say I'm taking advantage of all the vagueness surrounding the legend of Calamity Ganon.

Sonia is Zelda's ancestor the same way she is in TotK (assuming she and Rauru really did have descendants), and she is the Sage of Time. She isn't part of the bloodline of the Goddess though because Hylia hasn't reincarnated yet (and well if you look at the new timeline published in TotK Master Works, Hylia's death and the events of SS are never mentioned anywhere... so are Sonia and Flora truly descendants of Sun?? I hate everything about this timeline haha). My Sonia will be confirmed to have children with my version of Rauru, who is the Hylian Sage of Light, and their firstborn daughter will be named Zelda in honor of Flora. Chances are that she then becomes the first Queen of Hyrule (but she is not Hylia reborn or even "a Zelda", she's just a girl named that way).

I appreciate that you are invested, this is really motivating! I'm really happy you find this project interesting. At the moment I haven't posted anything about this project outside of this discussion and a few things I said about TotK and SS. I still have a lot of work on the story and then I want to turn all of this into a comic, so... I'm hoping to start sharing it this year, but I can't promise anything.

Honestly I didn't give that much thought to the Koume and Kotake option since I'm a lot more interested in the other one, I just mentioned it because I thought it could be interesting. But the idea was that they could create a few voe in their lifetimes since they are 400 yo in OoT, which would let the Gerudo think that they'll get another man every century.

Yes there's definitely a risk of reducing Ganondorf to a mindless puppet, which is one of the reasons I'm not going to use this idea in my lore/my rewrite. I mean I'm not a fan of Demise's curse for that specific reason so that would be a bit illogical on my part haha. But I think it could have interesting consequences if done right in a story. Gan could become righteously furious after discovering what his mothers did and rebel against them (as you suggested), or that could give him a good reason to search for the Triforce. But again that's not what I'm planning for my Ganondorf.

It's not that women don't carry their cultures, it's that they wouldn't start families with the Gerudo and raise children with them. Of course there could be a lesbian couple here and there, but I believe it would be far less common for Hylian women to permanently live in Gerudo Town than for Hylian husbands to settle down with their Gerudo wives. So now a big part of the town's population would be Hylian, and young Gerudo would be raised by their Hylian fathers as well as their mothers. To me it's not the same thing as having cultural exchanges with travelers, or a few Hylian women staying in town. The Gerudo wouldn't have their own city anymore and they might truly lose their independence.

I don't really remember what is said to young vai in the French version haha. But adult vai are very much encouraged to travel the world and meet men, so to me this is more meant to keep young vai away from boys until they come of age than to vilify men (and it's not like they would meet many anyway). They wouldn't be the first culture to keep teenage girls and boys separated. Besides things can happen for different reasons at the same time, and having these superstitions could also help them preserve themselves.

I meant that the Rito can't fully develop as bird people without Valoo, and that young Rito going to him seems to be a rite of passage. So I guess they could still become adults, but well... they wouldn't be fully-developed Rito. And we don't know if they can do things differently, while the Gerudo could adapt by simply reproducing with males. And their children aren't even half-Gerudo, they are always Gerudo. So to me there was a degree of planning and they were not abandoned by the Goddesses.

As for the Koroks, sure we don't know much but I still don't see them surviving very long without the Deku Tree. Maybe that's just me since I don’t think it’s stated anywhere, but it just feels likely. I like this idea about the Gorons, it makes sense!

Yes of course the Sands Goddess would know what would happen to the Gerudo without her, which is only that they would need men as all other females do. So this was the back-up plan and she knew that the Gerudo could adapt and survive without her, even if it would greatly change the way they used to live. Then even if she wanted to change that, she did not have that kind of power.

Besides I headcanon that all the different races lived in peace as long as all their deities were alive, and that things only started going downhill after Demise attacked. So the Sands Goddess was a bit like Hylia's sister and it didn’t seem likely to her that the Gerudo would ever have trouble finding Hylian husbands. And maybe even when she was alive some Gerudo still chose to have relationships with men simply because they were attracted to them.

I'm not the Goddess of Time or the Goddess of Wisdom either and I can see the problem, I didn't mean that she's completely dumb ^^. All I'm saying is that the Sands Goddess didn't have the same abilities as Hylia who might have been able to tell when things are going to happen and guess the most probable outcomes of her own actions (except maybe when it comes to Demise who was said to have "conquered time itself", so maybe that's why she couldn't prevent her people being massacred). So maybe the Sands Goddess thought she had more time than she actually did (cause I tend to think that the world was still pretty young when Demise invited himself), and she had no way to know if whatever she was going to try would end up working or who knows, making things worse. And she probably had no solution anyway because she couldn't just snap her fingers and change the way the Gerudo were created (or maybe she was also hesitant about going against the Golden Goddesses' will). Or who knows, maybe she wanted to do the same thing as Hylia and find someone worthy of using the Triforce. But again it's not like the Gerudo are in a desperate situation without her, they're not going extinct unless they refuse to take male partners. As for why the Golden Goddesses did anything the way they did, I guess no one knows haha.

Sure traveling can be dangerous, but as you said Gerudo are trained in combat and in my understanding monsters are not supposed to be around (or at least not in the same proportions) when Hyrule isn't being threatened by Ganon/demons/whatever. So stuff like Lynels and Gleeoks might be pretty much unheard of in times of peace, but I might be wrong.

Hmm, I don't see how having non-Gerudo male children would make things more sustainable for the Gerudo. In fact they would need to have more children in order to keep their numbers stable, since half of them (I guess?) would turn out to be males. So what would be the point? It also paints them in a pretty bad light if they always abandon their little boys except for the very rare Gerudo voe.

(Btw calico males are incredibly rare because cats need two X chromosomes to be calico, so they are in fact males with a genetic anomaly causing them to have XXY chromosomes. Which actually makes them intersex cats ^^)

@aikoiya The post was getting long again so here's a new one!

Anyway, whether OoT Zelda creates a new timeline or just sends Link further back in time, that's still huge time powers and that's not something Link is able to do by playing Zelda's Lullaby.

I'm kind of bad with names so I'm impressed you're going through all of that trouble to rename the settlements!!

Same, I was so excited when I heard about these pirates… and then so disappointed to find nothing more than a bunch of bokos with no backstory.

Vignoble is not related to noble (though I kind of make the association in my mind, especially since vignobles are sometimes called châteaux).

I don't mind helping you with French, I'm glad to do so! You put so much effort and thought into this, it's really interesting.

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I agree that it would be better for the Door of Time to close after Link leaves, but there's no way to be sure that it would. Maybe Rauru could close it? Who knows!

About the Master Sword I should not have phrased it like that, I said myself earlier that maybe Link needed it to regain his memories and that could explain why Zelda made sure he got past the Door. So it's not that it plays absolutely no role in this particular time travel, but there's something else happening since Zelda also uses the Ocarina.

I think there's a misunderstanding haha, I didn't mean that you need to give different names to the brasserie and the building itself. Unless the building houses something else besides the restaurant? If not I would just go with Brasserie La Perle de Lune (in that order ^^), or Brasserie du Clos, or Brasserie Château Marée-Chant as you prefer. I only meant that Château Marée-Chant Brasserie du Clos was a bit long and needed a comma (sorry if my previous answers were confusing, I don't really know how to explain French in English 😆).

Oh a reference to the Indigo-Gos is a great idea, I could see the band playing their song from MM's credits!

Honestly I had never even heard the word "igname", you taught me something! We usually just say patate douce (which literally means sweet potato) ^^ Otherwise the pun with mignon can work, even if it's not completely obvious.

Well the thing with Rhoam's cabin is that my Link and Zelda would never let the Yiga take over the Plateau in the first place. That really bothered me in TotK (especially what was done to the Shrine of Resurrection). Maybe Link will have to defend the Plateau against a Yiga attack, but they would not be able to settle there without anyone doing something about it.

Yes I want the rebuilding of Castle Town to still be a work in progress, but I'd prefer for the new town to be a bit more than small huts. I need to find the right balance between what could be done realistically in just a few years (with the help of technology) and my desire to finally see a "real" city in this version of Hyrule.

I can't remember if you showed me your design or if I just saw it on your blog, but yes I had already seen it ^^ I really like it, especially the lacy parts! It would have been so much better to get that in the game instead of that terrible hair and make-up.

Oooh I love this Stormbringer Lynel, it's such a fun idea! It would make you think twice before taking a stroll through Akkala 😆 The Maelstrom Lynel sounds cool too! I wanted a quest with a sea monster for my rewrite, something like that could be interesting.

The Gerudo instrument was fun! But the weapons and clothes were so lazy… though at least I like that the purple color seems to be a reference to OoT. But the vai looking like barbarians with shaved heads and painted faces were a bit weird next to Ganondorf with his kimono and katana. I don't know, I thought it didn't make much sense.

Ah yes I would love being able to find ancient weapons, and maybe that would make the Sky Islands or the Depths more interesting. I loved the scimitars too, I don't understand either why they were not included in TotK…

I'm not sure it's explained in WW that only Fishmen and monsters can live in the Great Sea. I didn't find it in my copy of Hyrule Historia either but maybe I missed it. The game itself states that there's no fish, which can make sense since this is not a "real sea" and just a flooded kingdom, but then why would whoever created the Great Sea allow the Fishmen to stay but not the Zora? Why would their magic water repel almost all life except for monsters? I don't know this whole thing never made sense to me. It would be so much easier to just say that the Rito are a different species and that the Zora now live somewhere else.

If Link was able to find the remnants of Zelda's study in my rewrite (assuming a journal or plants could be preserved that long) it would not be in Necluda, more like under Hyrule Castle or Castle Town with what I have planned ^^ As for the amber, that's a great idea for the official timelines but here Sun never had to seal herself in amber (since that would have ended in two Zeldas existing at the same time as we already discussed).

Yes being cursed doesn't necessarily make you evil, but in my lore only the Goddesses themselves or a very powerful deity would be able to cast such a curse on an entire race, and being targeted by the gods would probably brand one as evil (and I don't believe the Golden Goddesses interfere with their creation like that anyway). Or that would require the Triforce, but I think we can be sure that this is not what happened.

I also prefer for the voe to be a last gift from the Goddess. I find the Koume and Kotake option interesting to explore but it's not something I want in my "main" lore or in my TotK rewrite. Not sure it would imply that all men are evil though, in this case it would mostly confirm that Koume and Kotake are.

It's true that the Gerudo could never be truly independant in that setting and would always need to seek out males from other races (and btw their insistance on keeping men outside of their city could be explained by a desire/need to preserve their culture). But I can point to other races that are dependant on their deities and would be in trouble without them, which could also be considered bad planning. The Kokiri/Koroks are born from the Deku Tree and depend on his protection, so it seems they would cease being born without him. At least the Gerudo have a back-up plan and can reproduce with males from other races. Same for WW Rito, they can't grow wings without Valoo. They may not necessarily die without wings, but they still need them to become fully grown adults. As for the Goron, we don't know much but it seems that they are born from the earth, and there could be a deity involved in that as well unless they just spawn spontaneously. So I don't think the Gerudo are the only ones potentially doomed by the loss of their Goddess (and they really aren't, they just need to find mates).

Also, are the Golden Goddesses actually shown to be careful planners? After all they did leave behind a divine relic that's been the cause of so much bloodshed in Hyrule. And this relic can even grant evil wishes.

Well the Gerudo would only need to have one child each to keep the population stable while other females need two, that's actually less pressure in a way. But sure they need to travel to find men. I guess it's a lot easier when Hyrule isn't completely destroyed, and also let's be honest… Would it be so hard for the vai to find men who'd be more than happy to, you know, father their children, and then never have to take care of them since they would be raised in Gerudo? It doesn't sound that hard unless what they're looking for is an actual husband and not just a hookup. But does it really make sense for a vai to look for a husband if staying with him means being separated from her daughters? (unless she refuses to send them to Gerudo Town of course).

And do the Gerudo truly live such a nightmare? It never seemed to be the case to me, they seem rather proud and happy. Most of the ones we meet outside of Gerudo Town are excited about their travels and seem to enjoy looking for a voe. So I don't know. Sure if this was a curse it would be horrible for them to lose all their men, but I think it's different if they were an all-female race from the start.

The Sands Goddess didn't have the same planning ability as Hylia because she was not the Goddess of Time. Also she was designed by the Golden Goddesses to only give the Gerudo daughters, so creating only one male could be a huge task for her. Maybe she even had to sacrifice her entire being in this action, which might explain why she doesn't reincarnate like Hylia could, or Jabu and the Deku Tree. So she did all she could and did it in emergency, right before dying, and was maybe hoping to give more males to the Gerudo but simply couldn't.

This might not be 100% satisfying but at the moment that's the best thing I can come up with without involving a curse haha. But I'm not done thinking about this, things might still change.

And don't worry, I can take constructive criticism! ^^

@aikoiya The post was getting long again so here's a new one!

Anyway, whether OoT Zelda creates a new timeline or just sends Link further back in time, that's still huge time powers and that's not something Link is able to do by playing Zelda's Lullaby.

I'm kind of bad with names so I'm impressed you're going through all of that trouble to rename the settlements!!

Same, I was so excited when I heard about these pirates… and then so disappointed to find nothing more than a bunch of bokos with no backstory.

Vignoble is not related to noble (though I kind of make the association in my mind, especially since vignobles are sometimes called châteaux).

I don't mind helping you with French, I'm glad to do so! You put so much effort and thought into this, it's really interesting.

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@aikoiya I'm reblogging on my little sideblog because my art is getting buried under kilometers of text on my main haha ^^

I'm glad I could help! :D Yeah the fruit names aren't very inspired for sure!

Thanks for recommending Psychonauts! I'll keep it in mind for the next time I want to play something new!

Maybe the Door of Time could close on its own… but I forgot to take into account that the Triforce has split anyway so there's no need for it to do so. It stays open during OoT so I guess it could just do the same in the Child Timeline 🤔

Yes the Master Sword is definitely what allows Link to travel through time in OoT, but I'm not sure it plays a role when Zelda uses the Ocarina to send him back. To me this a different kind of time travel. Agreed on the Triforce existing out of time, you expressed my thoughts better than I could ;)

I like Oracle of Mysteries! I don't have too much hope for a third game on top of two remakes but one can dream!!

My problem with "Château Marée-Chant Brasserie du Clos" is only that it needs a coma, and if it was used in a sentence we would say "Château Marée-Chant, la Brasserie du Clos". Same thing with the other names you proposed ^^

Brasserie and château also have different vibes (at least to me), so La Perle de Lune or La Perle de Conque might work better as names for a brasserie. Then Château Marée-Chant could be the name of the wine the Zora make, since Château Something is a common appellation for French wines (and of course there's Château Romani in MM). "Domaine" is another one, wich in this context makes Zora's Domain/Domaine Zora quite funny!

I love the nautilus shell glasses and wine baskets! This place would have a really nice atmosphere.

I guess I could rewrite the princess sightings quests to make them more serious, but I'm not sure they would fit with what I'm trying to do. I don't know, I need to think about it! As for Yiga Zelda, something like that has more impact on Link/the player if they're still looking for the real Zelda. Of course it's infuriating for Link anyway but he/the player would know for sure it's not her after playing through the main quest. So if I use that idea I'll make sure that this encounter happens before Link gets the first memory.

Yes something as simple as the villagers being uneasy/worried but still maintaining the election would make it better in my opinion. And a curfew is a great idea! The thing with Cece is that since I'll have Castle Town partially rebuilt I've been wondering if it wouldn't make more sense for her shop to be located in the capital, but maybe she'll just have a second shop there and still live in Hateno. I still need to decide before I can make up my mind about the election. Though I will say that I liked this quest's message about tradition and modernity (even if the way it was handled was a bit childish) and it's a question that makes sense in the context of Hyrule being rebuilt, so it's one of the quests I really should keep.

I want to design a Cece outfit for Link, I might keep the hat but not the hair and makeup. Or maybe I could have another character wearing it, but not Link he just looks terrible 😆

Stallynels, elemental Lynels and Staltantula are great ideas! I'm looking for new monster ideas because I'm tired of always fighting the same bokoblins, lizalfos, moblins, constructs + the same bosses all the time, so this could get on my list ^^

I don't know, I think Hyrule already had a false sense of peace in BotW, this time I wanted to see stuff happening "in real time" and to really feel that the kingdom is being threatened. I also want to make use of the provinces that felt underexploited in BotW (Hebra, Necluda, Faron and Akkala) and have more of the main quest happen there, instead of reusing the exact same four locations for the dungeons.

Exactly, "strong women" characters have become so cliché!! Though the real problem to me is that they are extremely unrelatable/unlikable, and very boring (on top of being completely unrealistic). I agree about Gerudo vai being roughly as strong as Hylian males, with their height being an advantage.

Yes the ancient Gerudo have a much less feminine appearance, but we only saw a few warriors so we don’t know if that’s what all of them looked like. I'm also really not convinced by these designs but you're probably tired of my complaints by now haha. I'll just say that they have the exact same weapons as modern Gerudo and it drives me crazy 🙄. And yes I can see just how dark things could get with the Gerudo and what they could do to males of other races… That's not how I want to portray them, but it's definitely a possibility.

Hmm, this is a whole other debate but the thing with WW Rito is that I never liked the idea that they were evolved Zora. I know Hyrule Historia confirmed it but it will never make sense in my head that fish people had to become birds after a flood (??). I prefer to think they're just another race, or if I had to choose a race they could have evolved from I would choose the Sheikah (white hair, red eyes, live near a volcano that houses a dragon, Hylia's crest = bird).

Yes I'm sending Zelda far into the past but keep in mind that this is the distant past of Skyward Sword after Link killed Demise, and it's complicated enough to make things work between SS and BotW without throwing WW on top of that haha. Also in my timeline BotW might actually be closer to SS than WW is in the Adult Timeline (because the Hylians only live on Skyloft for a short time here and come back after Demise is gone, so the kingdom of Hyrule gets founded a lot earlier).

My Zelda won't have enough time to create something like what you're describing, but otherwise I like the idea of her building a dungeon! That would be an interesting concept to play with.

Nope no Secret Stones or Zonai in my rewrite, and Zelda doesn't have the Sheikah Slate ^^ I'm not even sure rewrite is an approriate way to call it at this point. It's more of an alternate sequel to BotW because it doesn't have much in common with TotK anymore, and I'm using this story to build my new timeline that links BotW to Skyward Sword.

Sure Gerudo culture is flawed, but what I mean is that I don't want to associate them with evil stuff all the time and that's what a curse tends to make me think of (and Ganon himself can already be considered a curse). So if I can find another explanation for the way they are I prefer to do things differently, but I understand your reasoning and it is interesting. I also don't think anyone in my lore would be able to cast such a curse on an entire race (except for the Golden Goddesses themselves but I don't think they would).

Haha don't worry, this comment really was just a joke. That's not something I want in my lore at all, but otherwise what you're saying makes sense ^^

I don't think the Sands Goddess created the Gerudo (the same way I don't think Hylia created the Hylians) so she wouldn't be responsible for them being an all-female race. That's on the Golden Goddesses. Now I'm starting to think that maybe the Gerudo weren't ever supposed to give birth to voe at all. Maybe that only started after the death of their Goddess, so they believed the first boy was a last gift from her and made him king. Or maybe Koume and Kotake had something to do with it! I could see them do deranged stuff in order to have a son, and then claim that he was sent by the Goddess and destined to become king.

I've actually spent a lot of time thinking about Ganondorf and his motivations for my rewrite since I found his character really lacking in TotK. I'm trying to come up with something a bit more nuanced, and I think I explained a few things about him in one of my earlier answers. I’m going with something similar to your interpretation (except he doesn't get to kill Link of course 😁) with the Calamity being his hatred that took physical form and kind of acted on its own. So my Gan definitely isn’t genocidal, and he’s far from happy with the situation. He’s not exactly remorseful since he places the blame on the ancient Sages who sealed him (they did it for good reasons, he’s not a victim), but he never wanted to destroy Hyrule in the past and still doesn't in the present.

@aikoiya The post was getting long again so here's a new one!

Anyway, whether OoT Zelda creates a new timeline or just sends Link further back in time, that's still huge time powers and that's not something Link is able to do by playing Zelda's Lullaby.

I'm kind of bad with names so I'm impressed you're going through all of that trouble to rename the settlements!!

Same, I was so excited when I heard about these pirates… and then so disappointed to find nothing more than a bunch of bokos with no backstory.

Vignoble is not related to noble (though I kind of make the association in my mind, especially since vignobles are sometimes called châteaux).

I don't mind helping you with French, I'm glad to do so! You put so much effort and thought into this, it's really interesting.

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LINEUP OF ALL OF THAT BABYGIRL'S PHASES BECAUSE I CAN!!!!!!!!!!!! Did I buff Wrath? Yes. Would she rip Link in half? Yes. Is it balanced with how silly Incarnation is? Yes <3

Link is there too hes allowed

Palette was from a school work, but it looks so good on her its insane.

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Of course I zeroed in on the oot one so... Oot masquerade party?

Thank you for the ask, Lou, it's one of the fics I'm most excited about!

The premise of this story is that Zelda begs her father to arrange a betrothal between her and Link before he leaves for Termina. It’s a child’s castle in the air, but her father loves her very much so he agrees. Under one condition: Link must come back and ask for her hand until her 21st birthday or the betrothal will be resolved.

Nobody is sure how it happened, but years later, everyone knows this story or some variation of it. Since Link never came back, suitors start approaching Zelda and she and her father face the reality that she has to settle for a candidate eventually.

By now, Zelda’s 21st birthday is approaching rapidly. Someone suggests a festival of three days of masquerade balls. The idea is that Zelda either accepts the hand of another man that she has met on the balls or that Link might come back to fulfill the betrothal.

Of course, the people are thrilled about this. Bets begin to make the rounds if Link will show up (it’s not looking good for him). A month before the festival, Castle Town fills up with country knights, noblemen, and other important people who want to join the fun. Zelda’s ladies-in-waiting are especially excited about a handsome young nobleman who ignores all their approaches because he’s certain he can win Zelda’s favor. Zelda rolls her eyes at them. Someone who’s so overconfident is surely not her type.

The festival approaches and the Sheikah provide their magic of light and shadow to give Zelda the chance of getting to know her suitors without worrying about decorum. Their magic lets the mask become one with the wearer so that only they can see the true face of the visitors. It’s truly anonymous!

Zelda is indeed enchanted by one of the guests; it happens to be the nobleman who was so sure he had a chance. His masks are many and enchanting, but as a nobleman, he surely has ways to purchase only the best.

Zelda uses her own magic to become Sheik for one of the evenings but unfortunately, the Sheikah magic doesn’t work for her, so she still can’t tell who he is.

And what about Link? Will he really wait until the very last second to surprise her like the rumors say? It’s just gossip. It must be! He has never been seen again since that fateful day ten years ago… How are the odds he’ll show up? And… Does Zelda even want him to come now that the young, charming nobleman will surely ask for her hand?

I had plans to write this story for Zelink week but I didn't have the time to do so.

I'm now debating if it could work as an Advent calendar, too. Originally, I had a post TP story planned for this year, but I'm not sure if the remaining time until Dec 1st is enough to tackle that. It's a relatively big, serious idea and I want to do it justice.

I could probably switch to this more lighthearted, feel-good idea and do 24 relatively short chapters. I had the idea to add some kind of tournament (because everyone loves a good tournament where the love interests compete, right?), that way I should have enough plot for 24 chapters.

I'll finish my current wip and then I'll take a long bubble bath to decide what I'm going with!

#ooooh i need this <33 #oot zelink

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Ghosts That We Knew

Zelink Week Day 2: Fading | TP Zelink | read on AO3) | @zelinkcommunity

Link dreamed of a golden wolf.

He bounded through a forest of mist, weaving through the towering trees that stood guard over this ancient place. Link’s paws kicked up leaves as he raced to catch up. Snatches of sound caught his attention from time to time—music, voices, a child’s giggle—but he kept to his course.

Yet the bright coat of his quarry disappeared from view, and when he slowed to a halt, he found himself in a clearing he would recognize anywhere. A sword waited at its center. He was padding forward to answer its call when the golden wolf emerged from the fog, his single eye glowing with crimson sorrow.

Turn back, he said with all the terrible gravity of time. Go and do not falter, my child.

Link sat up sharply, grasping his surroundings with the speed of someone shaped by deadly times: Ordon, safety, a sword within reach, Zelda in his bed.

Zelda in his bed. A foolish grin tugged at his lips. They’d spent plenty of nights together in the castle, but something about having her here was so enthralling. She was stirring now, rolling over to face him, and he tried to wipe the stupid look off his face.

“Link?” she mumbled sleepily. “Did you have a nightmare?”

“Just a weird dream,” he assured her, laying back down under the dark oaken ceiling of his treehouse. Dawn and the journey back to Castle Town were still a few hours away. As always, a part of him longed to stay, but at least he would take with him the memory of Zelda dancing under the harvest festival lanterns, of Ordon welcoming her the same way they’d welcomed Link when he was only a lost little boy.

“I had one too,” Zelda said. “The scribe’s meeting minutes transformed into a Chu that terrorized my Council.”

He laughed. “You would dream about meeting minutes.”

“Now tell me about yours. It’s only fair.”

Go and do not falter, my child. Those words had been with Link when he dealt Ganondorf the ending blow, the final mercy, just like he’d been taught. “Well…did I ever tell you about the Hero’s Shade?”

“I don’t believe so.”

“He was a spirit, I guess. Sometimes a wolf, sometimes a skeleton in armor. He brought me into some…other realm and taught me some of his techniques.”

“The Hero’s Shade,” Zelda mused. “He called himself that?”

Link frowned, trying to remember. “I’m not sure. But it felt right to me.”

She was quiet for some time, though he could practically hear the gears of her mind turning. Eventually she reached through the darkness to touch his cheek and said, “Can you go back to sleep? Or shall we take a walk?”

Wide awake now, he followed her outside, where the harvest moon bathed the sleeping village in its silver glow. Other than the crickets singing in the tall grass, Ordon was quiet in a way Castle Town never was. Link loved his tiny room above Telma’s bar and his work in the Resistance; he’d even grown to love Hyrule Castle, because Zelda was there. But coming home was always like drawing his first breath after days underwater.

They passed by their sleeping horses and continued on to the Light Spirit’s spring. This place always felt different at night, cast in a strange glow unlike either the sun’s heat or the moon’s gleam. Zelda’s boots sank into the white sand as she wandered along the water’s edge.

“I know you don’t like to be called Hero,” she said quietly. “But—you are aware there was one before you?”

“Yeah.” Link had worn his tunic, carried his weapons, walked in his footsteps. “I figured the Shade had something to do with him.”

“He lived hundreds of years ago, but perhaps some part of him…lingered, as ghosts sometimes do.”

He’d seen plenty of ghosts as a wolf, but only one had spoken to him. Without asking a single question, the Shade understood who Link was and what he needed to learn. He’d understood the enemy, too. “He faced Ganondorf, didn’t he? Before the Sages sent him to the Twilight Realm?”

“Yes. The hero’s story is largely forgotten across Hyrule, but he was close with an ancestor of mine. She kept a journal, if you’d like to know more.”

Link couldn’t help but remember the curse Ganondorf had uttered with his last breath: The history of light and shadow will be written in blood. There had been so much weight to those words, a sense of that history reaching back further than Link could conceive, a sense that it would continue long past his lifetime.

The full force of it felt suddenly awful here in this spring, where fate had come roaring out of the forest to claim him last year, where he’d returned as a wolf and killed his first shadow beast in the same spot where Ilia used to bathe Epona. His predecessor had been hurt in the same way. All that sorrow had been evident in his rusted armor, his heavy sword, his single crimson eye.

Yet he hadn’t been alone. Link looked at Zelda and remembered hearing her name in passing as a child, thinking to himself: I know her. Remembered meeting her eyes in that tower, feeling like the sun had broken through stifling twilight to clear away any doubt: I know her.

“There was another you,” he breathed. “And there was another me.”

Her brow creased thoughtfully, such a familiar expression that his heart twisted in his chest. “I hadn’t thought about it that way, but…yes.”

“It happened before. Will it happen again?”

Zelda drew closer, glowing like magic in the spring’s unearthly light, her dark hair spilling loose over her white nightgown. She touched the scar on Link’s cheek and said softly, “Not for a long time, I hope. But if it does, we will face it together.”

After breakfast came the hardest part of home: saying goodbye. While Uli stuffed Link’s saddlebags with as many snacks as possible, Beth tried to convince Zelda to bring her back to the castle and make her a princess. Rusl lost the battle with his wriggling toddler and handed her to Link, who was happy to bounce her up and down on his hip until she settled.

“She likes you more than me,” Rusl grumbled.

“Hey,” Link said, tapping the Triforce on the back of his left hand. “I already had this when you found me in Faron, right?”

Rusl raised his eyebrows. “Yes. Are you wondering about your birth parents?”

“It’s all right if you are,” Uli said, pausing her struggle with the saddlebags. “I only wish we were able to find you some answers.”

Link was wondering more about the wheels of time, the Goddesses who spun them, and an ancient ghost who called him my child. “No,” he answered, ruffling his little sister’s hair before he handed her back to Rusl. “You gave me everything I needed.”

Uli inspected his face with a smile, then turned to hug Zelda, who accepted the embrace with her slow smile—the kind that bloomed so uncertainly across her face, as though she was afraid someone would come and take it away. But she held onto it this time, beaming at Link over Uli’s shoulder, and the sight made him happy enough to lessen the pain of leaving.

Tucked away in a forgotten corner of Hyrule Castle was a graveyard accessible only to those who knew its secrets—at least, that was what Zelda said as she waved the illusory entrance away. It felt like stepping into a different realm blanketed by silence and thick grey mist, where there had just been sunlight and clear skies on the other side of the wall.

Since the Twilight, the crooked headstones had been straightened and the rubble cleared away. The thought of her coming here alone to weave her magic through her family’s resting place made Link proud and sad in equal measure.

“I’ve…actually been here,” he admitted sheepishly. “I was looking for a key to get me inside the castle, so…I burrowed under the wall. Sorry.”

Zelda’s mouth twitched. “Don’t be. My mother, at least, would have found that amusing.”

She halted under an enormous oak tree, its branches reaching far enough to brush the courtyard’s stone walls. Link still remembered the words inscribed on the tombstone, because they’d itched at the back of his mind on his first visit: The cursed swordsman sleeps beneath the sacred tree.

“He’s buried here?”

“I don’t believe so,” Zelda replied, pulling a weathered book from the pocket of her cloak and flipping through until she found a certain page and handed it over. “This is what my ancestor wrote.”

All they found were broken pieces of his armor, the journal said. People keep telling me he could have survived. But I am old enough to prefer hard truths over false hope. He’s gone. I know it in my soul.

Tears sprang to Link’s eyes. “Where did he die, then?”

Far away, said a voice that creaked like the branches of the old oak, and they turned to find the golden wolf behind them, his image blurring and reforming into the spectral skeleton who had trained Link. Too far.

“It’s you,” Zelda breathed.

The Shade’s gaze snagged on her face as she drew closer, and he went still, his sword hanging loosely from his ruined fingers. His translucent form pulsed in and out of being with every breath. Princess, he said in a faint whisper.

Zelda had been queen for some time now, but she just smiled at him sadly. “Have you been here all this time?”

His red eye shifted to Link. I returned when the beast did. It should never have fallen on anyone else.

“No, that’s…” Link’s throat was tightening. When Zelda touched his arm, he swallowed hard and continued. “It wasn’t anyone’s fault. You made me strong enough to win.”

And now you have won. Stay the course. Leave the sword where it lies. Do not falter as I did.

“I—I never do, thanks to you.”

Stay with her, the Shade insisted. Treasure her. Be there long enough to say goodbye.

Zelda raised her head suddenly, digging around in her cloak pocket. Link only caught a brief glimpse of what she produced—a painted miniature of a golden-haired woman—before the Shade choked out a sound that was undoubtedly, devastatingly human.

“She treasured you too,” Zelda promised. “She felt you go, and knew it wasn’t your fault. She…she wrote…” Her free hand brushed Link’s, tilting the journal towards her so she could read aloud. “I buried those pieces of armor in a garden we both loved. The cursed swordsman and all the weight he carried will rest here. But the rest of him is free. I can feel him in the earth, in the wind’s song, in the beat of my heart.”

“She was right,” Link realized. “You’re what he left behind. But the beast is dead, and we’re—we’re going to be okay. You can rest now. Is that why you’re here? Because you’re ready to rest?”

The Shade stared at him in wordless disbelief.

Zelda wiped her eyes and kept reading. “Neither of us were strangers to regret—how could it be otherwise with the lives we’ve led? But we had so much sweetness, too. It was worth the sorrow. I hope he remembered that at the end.”

I did, the Shade whispered. Of course I did.

“She would want you to find peace,” Zelda told him gently.

She…she would. Yes. I believe it’s time.

His form was blurring around the edges. Link blinked hard, finally allowing his tears to fall, and searched himself for the right words to give the spirit of his predecessor, who had fought so hard and lost so much, who had returned to help him take down their common enemy.

In the end, all he could say was, “Thank you.”

The Shade looked down at the portrait, then at Link and Zelda, huddled together in the graveyard with tears in their eyes. Write a happier story, he told them as he faded slowly into the mist, replaced by a golden wolf that bounded towards freedom.

Wind gusted through the courtyard, so sudden and so strong that Link wrapped his arms around Zelda to keep them both anchored to the earth. When he raised his head, the tears had dried on his cheeks, and the Hero’s Shade was gone.

Zelda brought the portrait closer, turning it around to study the golden-haired woman. Though the only crown she wore was a simple circlet of rubies, there was something in her proud shoulders that made it clear she was a queen. Her forehead was creased with worry lines, but her smile was bright, and her eyes…

Link took Zelda’s face in his scarred hands, meeting her gaze: the color of an early morning sky, after the dawn dwindles and a new day begins. No wonder he’d known her so instantly, so naturally. And that was before he understood what it was like to love her, to be graced with the trust she found so hard to bestow, to unravel the parts of himself only she could understand.

Maybe she was thinking the same thing, for she pressed a soft kiss to the scar on his cheek.

“I wouldn’t choose anything else,” Link breathed when he finally found his voice. “I—no matter what happened before, or what happens next…”

“I wouldn’t either.” Zelda held the portrait close to her heart, and though her eyes were her ancestor’s, that small, precious smile he’d first fallen in love with was all her own. “She was right. It was worth the sorrow.”

#i’m sobbing #this was beautiful thank you <3 #zelink week 2024 #tp #oot zelink #tp zelink

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