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Anyway, Patroclus didn't die because of Achilles' pride. If Achilles' pride had its way, they would be back in Phthia chilling with their loot.
Patroclus died because of Patroclus's pride*. He put on a demigod's armor and thought, oh, it's on, bitches, and then tried to storm the city of Troy by his own damn self. Got thrown off a wall by a god and then was like fuck that I'm climbing it again. And again. Zero recollection that Achilles told him not to go past the ships, just stab stab fuck yeah
Achilles' plan was solid. It just turns out Patroclus shouldn't be left alone near Trojans.
*Also that whole "Zeus doomed him for his own purposes" thing
#he literally tells patroclus to stay by the ships and come straight back#in a rather asshole-ish way but still#something something patroclus/hector parallels#hector literally suggests that the above misconception was the case to patroclus as a taunt and patroclus is offended as hell#let patroclus have his bubris death it's his right as a greek hero
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Huh??

Patroclus was like 30 when he died, had sex slaves and killed dozens of trojans, wanted to destroy Troy but he's a innocent young man who just wanted to live with Achilles?
Are we talking about the same man?
Hyacinthus died because of the jealousy of Zephirus and even then Apollo got him back. Patroclus was a adult man who joined a war to kill people and died in battle.
Those two aren't similar
Apollo was against the Achaeans but he HAD to fell sorry for a random soldier because gay tragedy 🤦♂️
#the use of the word “beloved” in relation to apollo is giving me whiplash#it probably just comes from a misunderstanding of what that term generally refers to in classics circles#but the implication that apollo was bottoming is cracking me up#also whyyy would apollo care. he's a god#i've actually seen takes similar to this a couple times and it makes me laugh every time#apollo was tossing patroclus off walls he did not gaf
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Nothing in this world is funnier to me than when achilles tries to convince the myrmidons to not kill iphigenia and in response they all boo and throw rocks at him like he’s a shitty jester
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epic fans who are gonna listen to jorge’s iliad musical in the future: PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD DONT FLOOD THE ILIAD TAG WITH THE MUSICAL STUFF
#PLEASSEEE#begging on my hands and knees#ik it's just because it was just announced but a bunch of the most recent posts in the iliad tag are about it already#please...i'm literally learning an entire language for the iliad...spare me my little tumblr tag#the iliad
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fucking awful news that certain composer is doing something based on the iliad
#i almost cried when i saw the news#in a vacuum an iliad musical would probably be cool#in practice none of the fans read the actual epic and it becomes so difficult to discuss the original text#especially online which sucks because my family is sick of my iliad rants#it's the dunning kruger effect
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THEY HIT THE SECOND TOWER NOOOOO
#tiktok misinformation about the iliad is about to hit a record high#wasn't song of achilles enough. haven't we suffered enough.#“let people enjoy things!” people spend their entire lives studying the iliad. let people complain#i'm converting. i'm an aeneid superfan now. i am dedicating my life to aeneas and retreating to my virgil corner to be at peace#one sentence horror story for pedantic greek mythology lovers#the iliad#ilium#jorge rivera herrans#hello epic the musical fans if you are seeing this please read the odyssey and the iliad if i see one more bad take i'm gonna kms
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"then what's peleus' narrative punishment for sleeping with a goddess" the world's most public divorce. next question
#imagine if you were on some long voyage trapped on a beach and all of a sudden your ex shows up just to break up with you again#also she arranged your son's marriage behind your back and it's to the insane sorceress your crew picked up from colchis#i gotta reread the argonautica it's been a minute
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extremely funny kylix of athena saving jason from the serpent protecting the golden fleece where jason is just flopping out of the serpent's mouth. like hey girl. what am i up to? oh just hanging out. yeah i got eaten by the snake. it happens. mind giving a brother a hand. cute owl btw
#i want to do a curl routine on him#idk just something about this image makes his curls look so scrunchable#i want to put them in a bowl and then take them out of the bowl and put them in the bowl and then scrunch scrunch scrunch and dyson diffuse#this is a completely neutral statement btw it's not about jason it's about jason's hair#completely separate entity just an innocent bystander to everything#fun fact jason actually has like a hair care line named after him it's called jason and the argon oil and they sell it at lush#i'd use that on him
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Ajax the Great!
here he issss my design of the little cutie patootie

I'm gonna slowly churn out my old art here so don't mind me......... Still figuring stuff out so sorry if my posts aren't formatted nicely I don't give a gaf (I give a gaf)
Just gonna paste my ig post caption here I forgot to do that for Aphrodite but we ball
SOME DETAILS ABOUT HIS DESIGN! vv
-RED FLOWERS similar to the ones that sprouted from his blood when he died 🌹 they're on his bandana/headband (he has a matching one with Teucer!), necklace, around his waist, on the cloth tied around his sword, and even engraved into his sword and shield if you look closely! - BOAR TOOTH EARRING as in some accounts, ajax took part in the Calydonian boar hunt (although the timelines don't seem to add up to me? Unless Ajax is super old somehow, which wouldn't make sense since he's explicitly much younger than Odysseus... Eh whatever... These timelines never make sense anyway...) - YES HE IS SUNBURNT get my boy some spf50!!! -TRIDENT & WAVES on his shield, as although Ajax has no patron God (and took pride in that in Sophocles' play about his death!), Poseidon did bless him once in the Iliad! Plus, his feud with Odysseus just makes me excited to add little nods to Poseidon, and I needed something to put on his shield lol - HES A WIDDLE CUTIE PATOOTIE awwwwisnt he so cute my widdle guy awwhhh he's just a widdle guy guyssss look he's a widdle guy... - ALL I HAD TO WORK WITH was very little (like many of these guys, there's barely any description of their looks), all I had was that he was super huge, bearded, and had dark curly hair, so I tried my best to incorporate that!
And here's some low effort doodles of him and achilles and ody

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every time I think being a julius caesar somewhat-knower online is the most frustrating thing ever I should make myself open the odyssey tag and put myself in the shoes of homer understanders + remember what they have to put up with here
#tiktok is worse somehow#every day i log onto tiktok and see the most insane odyssey misinformation i have ever seen in my life#and then i have to take five deep breaths and go for a walk#and i'm an iliad person! like i don't even fuck heavy with the odyssey like that#shoutout to hardcore odyssey fans and the shit they gotta shovel through
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this is allegedly pompey and he's pretty sexy to me
hello roman republic nation,
does any of you have pics of statues of Pompey the Great that are actually depicting him ATTRACTIVELY?? i’m loosing my mind. in every single book he’s described as being super hot, loved on almost celebrity-like level and then we have


i mean. he’s old there, for sure. i desperately try to find the appeal since i love my Pompey but these statues and this potato ass nose are not helping. i’ll take anything. xx
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my friends after i talk too much about something they dont care about
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#they would in fact say this#rip orestes and pylades you would've loved tumblr#pylades would post things like “are you even really mutuals if you don't die together?” and orestes would be the only reblog
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#in my heart and soul it's agamemnon but he's not here </3#diomedes is sexy TO ME but that man sleeps outside in the dirt...minus a couple sexy points#odysseus' thighs are sexy i'll grant him that but athena had to keep yassifying him in the odyssey i feel like he can't be THE sexiest#achilles is probably the correct answer but i'm a contrarian#so menelaus sweep if he's good enough for helen he's good enough for me
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older alyosha and lise
#now that's a man who's ready to kill the tsar#tbh i cannot reconcile the concept of older alyosha with my vision of younger alysoha. to me that is a separate creature#like my alyosha would never kill anyone...that was his alterego. alexei
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THAT'S WHAT IT IS??? ohhhh i'm going to crash out
#EVERY TIME I USE PERSEUS IT FUCKING. CRASHES#i can't take it...my primary sources...curls up into ball and cries#tagamemnon#i have to keep using topostext#which is. fine. love topostext#but perseus tufts dot edu is the love of my life#my father mother brother husband all or whatever andromache said#i can't check rn because it's crashing AGAIN
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this plus phoenix
Happy father's day to:
Peleus
Ares
Nestor
Agamemnon
Odysseus
Penelope (She was both parents for twenty years don't @ me)
Hector
Priam
Tydeus
Chryses
UNHAPPY father's day to:
King Minos
Aegisthus
Atreus and Tantalus
Polydectes
Achilles, probably
#IT WAS I WHO HAD THE MAKING OF YOU 😭#I LOVED YOU WITH ALL MY HEART...I HAD INIFINITE TROUBLE WITH YOU BUT...I MADE A SON OF YOU 😭😭#YOU WOULD NOT EAT TIL I HAD SET YOU UPON MY KNEES 😭😭😭#also you're so real for including agamemnon op
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