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Such absolutely vile behavior. I'm so sorry you were sent such awful images. Try watching something fun and light-hearted to take your mind off them as best you can. And if you need to talk about it, I'm here ♥️

Everyone who hasn't already, block this person. And if you receive any messages from them, do not open them.

Guys they're doing it again! Weebslayers-5 is online right now and has been sending me graphic bloody images!

They were blurred out but indeed gory.

I'm crying right now. I had a minor panic attack. I can't understand people who do this - I never interacted with or provoked them. Please block and report this sick person.

@antis-delete-your-blogs-pls-thx @discoursecatharsis @legendary-discourse @just-antithings @charlie-for-proships @proship-pigeon @weebslayer-receipts I'm sorry for tagging you all but please help! Please block and report!

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This is going to be the most random thing I have posted on this site literally ever, and I very much doubt it’s going to yield the result I’m hoping for.

But: If anyone has absolutely any idea how to download/preserve the entire archive of a Yahoogroup, or knows anyone who might, I will give you whatever you want in exchange. Firstborn child, not off the table.

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Wow. Just wow. I don't even have words.

Still hoping this person is a troll. They sound like one... but given some of the takes I've seen, I wouldn't even be that surprised if they're genuine.

Hey I joined the club of people who've been bothered by weebslayer! They weren't so violent with me as they were with others, but boy oh boy did I get some steaming hot takes.

I really should just block and report people like this but they made the decision to mess with me so I like having a bit of fun with them first.

@antis-delete-your-blogs-pls-thx @cute-little-bumblebee @peachy-pro-shipper @legendary-discourse

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Important.

The idea that gay people are all pure and kind and full of love is just... wrong. A relationship isn't automatically healthy or equal just because the participants are the same gender.

It's a dangerous mindset to have, and is going to lead some people to believe their relationship can't be abusive even tho it is.

And on my own experience as a gay man, and being around other gay men, let me tell you some of them are assholes. Some are manipulative. Some send unsolicited dick pics. Some will try to coerce others into doing things they aren't comfortable with.

It's not some magical land of cutesy romance and constant unconditional support and affection. The people are as varied as in any other group. So judge if a person is abusive or not based on their actions and behaviors, not on what group they happen to fall into.

I was just told that a hetero pairing was "so gay. Not gay gay, but gay because it's healthy and based on mutual love and respect." No, they were not joking. Can this mindset that gays somehow inherently have better and healthier relationships by virtue of not being hetero die in a fire?

I wonder what they mean by “not gay gay”?? Like “it’s technically not gay because it’s het, but it’s gay in the sense that it’s healthy”? Because yikes.

I know people hate to think about it or admit, but there can be and are toxic same-sex relationships too. Gay people are still human, flaws and all. It’s important that lgbt+ people are aware of red flags in abusive relationships. Being gay doesn’t make someone immune to being an abusive partner. This “gay relationships are pure uwu” BS is gonna lead to some young gay people falling into an abusive relationship and not knowing it :(

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One thing I truly hate about fandom are people acting like there’s only one right way to interpret something.

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Friendly reminder that fan-made content (fanart, fanfic, fanvids, etc) are:

extremely time consuming. Remember someone actually took time out of their life to create that, time they could’ve used to, idk, sleep, for example

entertainment you’re consuming for free. I can’t stress this enough: you’re enjoying someone else’s craft for free. You paid exactly zero money to look at/read/watch it.

S H A R E D  with you, not made for you. This is the most important point: someone created that, put it online and you found it. No one forced you to consume that fanwork, you C H O S E  to do it. 

Whenever you feel like leaving a mean comment, anonymous hate or make a ~clever post about how ‘lol look at all of these overused tropes every fic writer crams into their fics’ remember you’re being a dick to someone who shared their work with you. You’re not being funny, you’re not being edgy, you’re not being brave for calling something out - you’re being a dick.

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As a victim of medical malpractice that physically harmed and emotionally traumatized me, I can still recognize the importance of health care and acknowledge the many doctors who are good and are helping their patients. I was wronged by the health care system but that doesn't mean it shouldn't exist.

I'm wary of the health care system and I know that it has flaws and negligent doctors, but it has also helped so many people and there are many good doctors too. I wouldn't have recovered if it weren't for those good doctors, and if it weren't for the good mental health workers I had supporting me.

If there are flaws in the system (and there definitely are), fix the flaws. Don't throw the entire system out the window and prevent people who would benefit from it from actually accessing it.

Your bad experience or my bad experience shouldn't be used to block or discourage others from seeking help if they need it.

Like, do people realise I could posit these exact same arguments about physical medicine? There are thousands of malpractice suits. Doctors frequently discriminate against marginalised people and treat their pain as lesser and unimportant. In the past, doctors would cause massive blood loss in the name of treatment, would experiment on people without their consent, and use barbaric treatments on them. But the solution isn't to call all doctors murderers or evil people. It's to address the problems in that field and demand for their change.

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Every queer person I know over the age of 30 is fucking appalled by the state of the queer community, and I have heard some absolutely stellar anti-gatekeeping tirades from queer grandparents. I had a long conversation with a 43 year old pansexual who told me the infighting is almost certainly because we’ve collectively forgotten our joint history and have become more interested in individual social clout than actually advancing the movement for across the board queer equality.

So this is a reminder, I guess, that our elders are on our side. The gatekeeping and the exclusionary behavior is crap.

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The fics are all tagged correctly and with appropriate warnings. I also find the use of homophobic slurs offensive, but I don't think it violates ao3's terms.

The issue people have with the fics is not that they are vent fics with dark content. It is the fact that characters and groups (such as the coalition) are shown to be very obvious stand-ins for groups of shippers, and the creators. Then, within the same fic, it's said multiple times how these characters and groups deserve horrible, violent deaths.

WARNING (please share)

Hey all! Bad news. I reported the works by Bittermelon77 that were basically thinly veiled violent threats against the Curtis/Shiro shippers over on AO3, but written in such a way that they’re technically fanfics, and tagged for “Chose not to use archive warnings”, so they sadly weren’t deleted. 

I appreciate the thoroughness with which it was investigated, even if I don’t agree with the decision. 

That said, for anyone like myself who do not want to read hateful, bigoted, excessively violent faux fics that use the terms “f*ggot” and other homophobic slurs in their titles and summaries, here’s some important safety tips: 

Exclude all fics by orphaned_account

Exclude all fics by Bittermelon77

That probably unfortunately excludes any orphaned fics NOT by the homophobic monster who uses slurs while describing excessive violence against gay characters in both the title and summary of their fics, but what can you do. 

I’m tagging this warning to multiple ships to kind of emphasise the kind of actual dangerous people this sort of behaviour breeds. People can’t pretend this isn’t happening just because they don’t like the ship, and this safety talk extends to basically everyone in the fandom. 

You could also try to report them, but unless it breaks the other rules of content abuse on AO3 it might not work. Who knows, though? Harassment might be a good place to start. 

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Hearing you’re a pro-shipper hurts, honestly. As someone who’s been abused, its not ‘harmless’, it romanticizes it often and can be incredibly triggering, especially when there’s no warning (ex: just put in tags, not in the first 5 that determine if it’s filtered through Tumblr) You don’t have to post this, honestly it’s just more getting it out so you might understand where people come from when they say shipping pedophilic/abusive relationships isn’t okay. Thanks for your time and good night

So. I’ve been looking at this ask for a few hours now, trying to decide how I want to approach it.

The thing that gets me, in the end, is that you seem to believe that me being pro-shipping changes the rest of my politics, beliefs, or stances.

But I’m still exactly the same person I was yesterday, before I answered the previous ask about shipping. I’m still a vocal, ardent believer that sex workers of all sorts–including writers and illustrators of erotic fiction–have the right to do our work in peace. I’m still a vocal believer in all labour rights, not just the labour rights of sex workers. I’m still a vocal supporter of the right of queer people to have sex any way they want, and to expression their sexual interests in art freely. I’m still a supporter of women’s right to freedom of sexual expression too.

And all of those beliefs require a foundational assumption: that sex is not a shameful things by nature.

Like anything, it can be used to hurt others. I know that all too well. I was a man’s personal sexual slave for most of my early adolescence.

But then, I have also been hurt by many things that are not sex. By racial discrimination, by anti-queer bigotry, by the belief that autistic and chronically ill people are subhuman and deserve to be eradicated from the human population and gene pool.

And in all of these cases, the common factor for what hurt me was not the act of being disabled, or brown, or queer, or sexual.

It was other people rejecting my right to express those aspects of my self. My right to exist openly along those marginalizations.

The fundamental difference between the pro-shipping and anti-shipping stances is that pro-shippers want greater freedom of expression, and anti-shippers want lesser freedom of expression.

That thing you mention, about tagging fiction so that it can be found and avoided?

That’s a pro-shipper concept. Shippers came up with it, and shippers enforce it.

However, in recent years, people have been tagging less and less, and with less and less detail. Because tags are no longer seen as a neutral tool to help people avoid or seek out particular kinds of content.

They’re seen as an act of support for the thing tagged.

Once upon a time, tagging a piece of fiction as #rape was not a seen as a statement about the morality of rape. It was merely a fact. “This story contains rape.“ People seeking out content about rape would know it was there, and people seeking to avoid content about rape would know it as well.

Now, specifically because of the anti-shipping mentality, tags are seen as condoning something. A story tagged as #rape is now often interpreted as being, “this story claims rape is a good and positive thing.” This leads to harassment, abuse, threats of violence, and even actual physical violence against artists (content warning: graphic images), sometimes requiring hospitalization. The worst case scenario for these kinds of harassment involve artists–sometimes underage artists, even–being driven to suicide.

Why would you tag your story as containing rape, if it could lead to a level of violence that makes suicide seem like the better option?

It’s no longer a safe, morally neutral statement. It’s an invitation for harm.

So people have slowly but surely stopped tagging.

And that means more people who want to avoid fiction about rape are exposed to it instead.

But this is not the fault of the artists, making the rational choice to protect their own welfare.

It is the fault of the people making the threats that have caused thorough tagging to be unsafe.

If you want people to tag more completely, then that’s a pro-shipping stance.

It’s only an anti-shipping stance if you want people to stop writing entirely. And the most common expression anti-shippers have, when they want people to stop, rather than to make ourselves avoidable, is violence.

You seem to think that my being pro-shipping is somehow a deviation from the rest of my politics and my beliefs.

It is not.

Supporting freedom of expression is one of my foundational tenets. It’s not axiomatic to my politics, but it’s very close.

And supporting shipping is supporting freedom of expression.

Supporting shipping is supporting the freedom to avoid others’ expressions, too.

it is anti-shipping that leads, inexorably, to the destruction of safe places for survivors who want or need to avoid triggering content to relax in peace.

And it is pro-shipping that leads, eventually and albeit with stutters and stumbles, to the creation of those spaces.

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I've seen more works from BitterMelon77 each time I've gone into the tag.

I support people venting through fics and exploring dark themes, but these are not sincere fics. They are thinly veiled threats and comments about shippers, and even staff. They exist purely to hurt people.

Many of the early fics have since been orphaned, but many are still under BitterMelon77.

I know several people have reported them but the "author" has made use of loopholes in ao3's terms so it's quite possible nothing will happen. Still, it's worth reporting anyway, just in case.

Stay safe, everyone!

WARNING (please share)

Hey all! Bad news. I reported the works by Bittermelon77 that were basically thinly veiled violent threats against the Curtis/Shiro shippers over on AO3, but written in such a way that they’re technically fanfics, and tagged for “Chose not to use archive warnings”, so they sadly weren’t deleted. 

I appreciate the thoroughness with which it was investigated, even if I don’t agree with the decision. 

That said, for anyone like myself who do not want to read hateful, bigoted, excessively violent faux fics that use the terms “f*ggot” and other homophobic slurs in their titles and summaries, here’s some important safety tips: 

Exclude all fics by orphaned_account

Exclude all fics by Bittermelon77

That probably unfortunately excludes any orphaned fics NOT by the homophobic monster who uses slurs while describing excessive violence against gay characters in both the title and summary of their fics, but what can you do. 

I’m tagging this warning to multiple ships to kind of emphasise the kind of actual dangerous people this sort of behaviour breeds. People can’t pretend this isn’t happening just because they don’t like the ship, and this safety talk extends to basically everyone in the fandom. 

You could also try to report them, but unless it breaks the other rules of content abuse on AO3 it might not work. Who knows, though? Harassment might be a good place to start. 

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you are allowed to dislike m/f ships, but:

don’t make every m/f ship you don’t like out to be ‘abusive’ or ‘problematic’ for nonsensical reasons that hold no ground

don’t accuse shippers of ‘making the characters straight’ when the characters could easily be bisexuals

similarly, don’t refer to m/f ships as ‘straight’ when one or both characters are confirmed to be bisexual

don’t get so mad about people putting canonically bi characters in m/f ships

don’t say that everyone who likes m/f ships must be heterosexual

don’t accuse shippers of m/f ships of being homophobic for putting a character that is part of a popular fanon same-sex ship in a m/f ship

don’t go into m/f ship tags to talk about how you don’t like it

don’t be a fucking asshole

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hey lets play how hot is that character

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So Given has only been out for like, a day. And already I’m seeing so much “fujoshis are NOT ALLOWED to touch given” or “I will KILL any fujoshi who likes given”

Guys

GUYS

GIVEN IS A BL SERIES

THE GENRE IT WAS WRITTEN UNDER IS BL

“YAOI” IS THE AMERICAN FANDOM TERM FOR BL

THE PERSON WHO WROTE GIVEN WAS A FUJOSHI

GIVEN WAS WRITTEN FOR A FUJOSHI AUDIENCE

YOU’RE LITERALLY READING/WATCHING A “YAOI” SERIES THAT WAS MADE FOR FUJOSHI WHILE SAYING THAT YOU HATE FUJOSHI AND YAOI

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Heads up guys. This troll is back and she's back on her shit.

You know the drill. Block and report and get her shut down before she ends up actually hurting someone

This is their blog.

@weebslayer2

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Thanks for tagging me 😘

I'll tag @shipping-samurai @dad-n-deathjokes @kari-izumi @antis-fuck-off-challenge

I’m starting a reblog-and-tag game

Make yourself with this picrew (made by the awesome @sangled) and tag up to 8 people! I’ll start

@yume-fanfare @apocalypse–enthusiast @eva-arikuri @zayria @transboyklug @caoomi @arya-art + anyone who is in the mood!

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Look i dont wanna sound like a Fandom Mom or whatever but what do you think women over 25 or so are supposed to do? Do u really think theyre supposed to drop all their interests and just talk about taxes and marriage or whatever? It seems like 25+ year old fanboys do not receive this kind of “ooh cringe” reaction either. There are guys in their 40s with comic book collections and shit and people might think theyre a nerd at worst, not a freak who shouldnt be trusted