Traumagenic DID SystemHyzenthley (collective name)Bodily 24They/It collectively
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I revamped my old system emojis!
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Syscourse Speedrun
- Endogenic means a system formed for reasons not correlated to trauma
- Endogenic does NOT mean a complete lack of trauma in an individual
- Endogenics, Pro-Endos and adjacent fundamentally view systemhood differently and outside of solely disordered experiences
That said...
- Complex Dissociative Disorders (DID/OSDD/Etc) have well known and studied ties to trauma, with complexity rising from prolonged and severe cases.
- Trauma is not part of diagnostic criteria to include those who cannot remember their trauma due to dissociation. Not because it isn't an important or known factor.
- Integration =/= Fusion, Integration is the lessening of dissociative barriers and a systems ability to function together. Fusion is the merging of parts.
- Final fusion and functional multiplicity are both viable end goals and up to the systems desires and needs. Integration is required for both of these.
- People are allowed to be affected positively AND negatively by their disorders and life experiences.
- People are also allowed to view their disorders in whatever way they desire
- It is not your job to police people because you think what they're doing is harmful for them.
- It is also not your job to tell people they have trauma that they just don't know about.
- Dissociation is a spectrum.
- Other disorders experience dissociative parts with less elaboration like those with DID/OSDD/Etc
- Westernized Tulpamancy and Tulpas as known today are not directly related to Tibetan Buddist Nirmanakaya or Sprul-pa. Westernized Tulpamancy comes from 20th century mystic explorers, who developed these ideas mostly independently.
- Vajrayana and Mahayana Buddhism are open and inclusive religions anyway, but what Tulpamancers practice is very different.
- There is a conversation to be had about the suppression of religious freedom that has affected Tibetan Buddhism, but it's still not a closed practice.
- Something here about Theosophy in relation to Westernized Tulpamancy
- Plural is not solely synonymous with system, and not everyone who identifies as plural is a system.
- Not every system will identify as plural either.
- The term plural has ties to other non-system communities such as alterhumanity.
- Plural is an inherently inclusive term.
- People are allowed to be wrong about their origins in whatever potential way.
- Being wrong is not equivalent to faking.
- Origins are self applied labels and tell you very little about a person and their system
- Origins can and often do overlap.
- Endogenic origins does not mean a system cannot be diagnosed and meet criteria for a CDD.
- People are allowed to view and label their parts in whatever way is best for them.
- System accountability is important. You are one tangible entity and you take responsibility for the things that occur because of your system.
- Discourse stances do not make a person or space inherently safer or more dangerous.
- People's actions speak louder than labels, and anyone can be a horrible person.
- Its up to a system to determine their own boundaries and needs.
- You don't need to argue if your boundaries differ from someone else's; enforce your own.
- Block people and topics that make you uncomfortable and especially if they're potentially triggering.
- Genuinely, please just learn to be friends with the block button.
- Harassment is bad no matter who you are.
- Yes it's still bad if you disagree with someone or think they're in the wrong.
- Criticism is not harassment.
- Even if you don't intent to change your mind, facilitating genuine conversation with people instead of assuming things about them or their experiences will contribute to a better interaction for both sides.
- Ableism is bad.
- Stop using things like delusional as Insults or treating people with ficticious disorder poorly.
- Stop treating mentally ill adults as inherently incapable of functioning or dictating things for themselves.
- Sanism is Also bad.
- Fake claiming is bad.
- Stop insinuating that pro-endos (and adjacent) aren't traumatized, aren't systems or can't have CDDs.
- Yes, again, fake claiming is bad even if you don't like or disagree with someone.
- Stop saying its "so easy" to tell who fakers are.
- The psychiatric and mental health systems are full of flaws.
- Diagnosis is a privilege for some and isn't for others.
- Some people may not want or desire a diagnosis for many reasons. This does not make their problems any less than.
- Being medically recognized is just as valid as having a diagnosis.
- Yes, therapists can diagnose people with things. A title does not equal credentials.
- If a therapist cannot diagnose you due to their credentials or other factors but suspects something, they will refer you to another professional who can for evaluation.
- Some therapists will choose of their own volition not to diagnose patients for varying reasons.
- Self diagnosis and self suspecting isn't a bad thing. Research is always encouraged for accuracy of what you suspect.
- The resources people find through self diagnosis even if not the right thing to suspect can be helpful for someone's situation.
- Reiterating here again that being wrong isn't faking, and that being wrong isn't a bad thing.
- Being able to help yourself cope is a good thing.
- Recognizing your symptoms if you intend to speak to a professional is also a good thing.
People are all different, be kind.
If you have questions I'm glad to talk, if you are aggressive or just trying to start something, you will be blocked :)
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gatekeeper culture is never forming real personal connections cause you're just seen as a tool to get at the people they really want
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Overcrowded
[ID: Sorry, I have no clue how to transcribe this accurately. Assistance requested.]
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“Always there/background” to refer to (usually) a gatekeeper or other alter type that is always in the background but doesn’t necessarily interfere with or interact with front.
“Snatched” as a way to tell others that a memory, phrase, etc. got blocked from us as we were trying to talk about it. Sometimes even as we’re thinking about it, but usually only occurs during conversation. This can also occur if an alter doesn’t want us talking about them or letting people know they’re there.
“Dizzy” and “static” are used to describe different types of blurry
“I’m in a fishbowl” to describe the weird sensation of a near-switch or before/after a forced or particularly fast switch
“Crowded” to describe either hearing a lot from headmates OR to describe a crowded front room (<- used as a visualiser)
on the topic of systems and plurals who make their own terminology to describe system experiences, i’m really interested in hearing what terms people have made for their own systems!
one i use a lot is “brainbody” to refer to issues that are my brain affecting my body without necessarily being a part. so if i take my adhd medicine and get stuck playing puzzle games on my phone, my brainbody is making me stay stuck!
i also use “part name but…” with a distinction after for when im blurry, this can take a lot of different forms. “cav but not cav” or “cav but doing the dishes” have been popping up a lot. sometimes its easier to self identify in reference to another part
“parrot” is a part that mimics trauma/abusers, and we have tricks for soothing them when things get bad. most of our parrots have calmed down significantly, and all parrot parts are referred to as parrots until they feel willing to self identify :)
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DID is so weird. thoughts switch from "their abuse was HORRIBLE, i remember SO MUCH SHIT and get remembering MORE every minute" to "but was i actually abused?" in approximately 4 seconds. wow. nice. /sarcasm
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(Image description in alt text.) This is a comic that I found in a decades old issue of a magazine about multiples and DID systems, Many Voices: Words of Hope for People Recovering from Trauma and Dissociation, Vol XI, No.4, August 1999, ISSN 1042-2277. Illustrations and comics in this magazine are usually credited only by an artist's signature, which may be unclear or absent. This one doesn't have an artist credit, so Noah might be the signature, a name that doesn't appear elsewhere in the issue.
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System Ask Game
🌕 - If Your System Has A Name, What Is The Story Behind It?
🌔 - Do you Have Any Nonhuman Or Human Adjacent Headmates? Any That Are A Unique/Non-Typical Species?
🌓 - What Is The Most Unique Name A Headmate In Your System Has?
🌑- Does Anyone In Your System Have Food Preferences That Differ Greatly From Others In Your System?
⭐️ - Who Is The Most Social?
💫 - Does Anyone Celebrate A Birthday Different From The Body's Birthday?
✨️ - Who Is The "Problem Child" Of Your System? (Not Necessarily In A Negative Way)
🔭 - Anyone With A "Non-Typical" Role?
🚀 - Are There Any Headmates With Wildly Differing Interests From The Rest Of The System?
☄️ - Do You Have Any Alt Headmates? (Emo,Goth,Etc)
🌍 - Do You Have Any Introjects From Obscure Sources? (Not Including Oc-tives)
🪐 - What Is The Age Of Your Oldest Headmate? The Youngest?
🌙 - What Is The Most Ridiculous Thing Your System Has Argued Over?
👽 - The Strangest,Most Off Putting,Or Silliest Thing A Headmate Has Said?
🌌 - Is There A Headmate Who Likes To Play Pranks On The Rest Of The System?
🌠 - Who Is The Most Noticeable When Fronting?
🛰 - What Is The Strangest Way You've Discovered A Headmate?
🌝 - What Is The Strangest Purchase Someone In The System Has Made?
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I've had this sitting around for too long, so I'm going to let you all have fun with this one. I doubt it will get many responses, but any responses at all are appreciated! Everything will be anonymous, do not worry.
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If you want to say you’re accepting of all systems and you care about all systems, then inherently, you need to give a fuck about highly medicalized DID systems. You need to give a fuck about the “chronically miserable” systems. You need to care about those who struggle with their systems and wish they didn’t have one.
Otherwise, you’re fucking lying, and we don’t appreciate it.
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Being a system into videogames that has a very easy time switching when not feeling threatened:
Pros:
Switching when stuck in a game to get through it
Commentary/assistance with things we can't remember or miss
The entirety of our system being so engrossed that its like watching a movie
4/6 consensus needed to buy most games unless we save for it, helping with money management and impulse control
Cons:
Can't play local or online multiplayer with them
Scary games can lock the wrong people in the front
Being front-stuck and none of the systems recent games are ones you enjoy playing
Amnesia barriers making you forget and backtrack
Hey who downloaded this game?
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“I have to log myself in SP before I do anything!” I say, opening tumblr
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Sometimes you think something didn’t effect you, and then you meet The Guy Affected By It™, and realize why
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Magical girl transformation where I look exactly the same by the end except my posture and speech are different and I have to be reminded of several details on the conversation we just had
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"nobody is denying that an innerworld is not a real place" we are 👋
Like gateway systems, which are systems who feel like their headspace is an existing world, aren't that uncommon. Hell that's what we've identified as since like 2016.
We view our headspace as a real place metaphysically. It might not have the same properties as the physical world and it's a complex thing, but yeah we would consider it to be a real place overall and more a dimension we inhabit.
This isn't even a system-specific belief. There are singlets who might have inner worlds that they consider real, see astral travel/astral spaces. We've met plenty of maladaptive daydreamers too who feel their paracosms are real.
Also once again, comorbidity with psychosis and sanism aside, boy howdy you guys have to stop telling people things aren't real when dealing with dissociative disorders
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