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Happy pride month everyone!!!! This is your reminder that Loki is canonically pansexual and genderfluid!!!! 🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️

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Yes! This exactly!

(MCU) Loki and Autism.

Alright so, I want to talk about Loki and his autistic coding. Now I won't give much credit to the russo brothers since they made it very clear they don't particularly like Loki as an individual or character..

Anyway, Loki has always been different from the other asgardians. He never had friends of his own, he didn't have people he could really connect with, he was just different.

But that's not all that I want to talk about- I feel like his powers specifically his illusions come into play in this as well. Also his lying.

Okay, so, we know that autistic individuals tend to mask to fit in with society because they're not really accepted if they don't. (Society sucks.) Loki is never really accepted as himself- if he is faking being someone/thing else and people don't yet know of him/his intentions he's more accepted. I feel like it's a form of masking. Playing a role to be accepted. He lies his way through life, uses illusions to mask his true intentions and desires, his true self.. yet people can tell something is slightly off..

He still can't really fit in. Until he meets people like him such as Mobius. He can find connection through similarities although not voiced out loud. (Yes, I believe Mobius is autistic. With Loki and Jet Skis being his special interests) There's just that connection that they have- even at the start when they were enemies and trying to manipulate each other, they had some sort of connection. (Just my opinion though)

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Loki

Okay, personally I see Loki being somewhere on the aroace spectrum. I also see them being okay with open and poly relationships. Obviously they're also bi/pan and genderfluid (this includes them being Nonbinary by the way). I see them presenting themselves in a male/masculine or gender ambiguous the most but will go more feminine/fem presenting every now and then. This is just how I personally see Loki so it's 1000% okay for you to disagree!

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Just an opinion of mine

If we're going to be calling Loki's female form Lady Loki then we should start calling Loki's male form Lord Loki. Loki is still Loki regardless of their gender presentation. So using Lady Loki sort of feels like people are saying Loki's "true form" is male or just masculine. When it's not- their true form is whatever they currently want it to be. When she's female she's still the same Loki. When he's male he's still the same Loki. When they're nonbinary they're still the same Loki. If they feel both female and male they're still the same Loki. Loki is the same Loki. Just with a current different gender identity. So personally I feel like it would be better to use Lord and Lady if you truly want to use the Lady title for their female form and laird or liege for their nonbinary/gender ambiguous forms.

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Who are some MCU characters you feel are overhated?

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Most definitely. Anyone can have manipulative tendencies especially if they've gone through abuse because it's learned behavior- and if you're someone like Loki who has been lied to and manipulated all of his life, you're bound to pick those behaviors up along the way. Loki is the "Hurt/Leave them before they do it to me" it's a learned behavior and defense mechanism..doesn't make it healthy but we need to understand that it's not just abusers.

Ok I need some help people:

Im rewatching some mcu movies with my mum and she doesn’t get why I like Loki so much

For the loki-related movies, she’s seen the first Thor movie, Thor: Dark World, Thor: Ragnarok and the first avengers movie and sees Loki as an asshole and a villain and an overall unpleasant character (I’m paraphrasing but basically thats what she said)

I’ve tried saying that hes so likeable bc of his dramaticness and yes hes not the most pleasant of characters but hes not a 2d villain. He has motives and depth and flaws.

does she believe me? No. Even after watching those movies. Admittedly she’s not invested on the same level as me, but I’m trying to get her to understand. Not join in with me, but understand where I’m coming from (bc atm she probably thinks I’ve lost what little marbles I had left)

TL;DR:

Help me explain to my mother what makes Loki such a popular character.

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YES! Exactly. He's not allowed to be himself because of the title he was given (the god of mischief/trickery/lies/etc) from the start they intended to use him as a scapegoat imo. Because he was an "easy target" the adopted kid that doesn't fit in, no real friends to back up and he isn't very close to his father + his brother is seen as the perfect golden boy. So.. yeah, just great opportunity for them. Especially with his godly title and his powers. And no matter what Loki said or did they could twist everything up and make him seem like the bad guy. So he lies to protect himself but even then his mask gets used against him. Loki needs a break. So when he did act out and pull pranks and all of that- they were just like "See?! Told you! He's a villain in the making! He's evil! Only thinks of himself!" Or some other stupid thing they'd come up with to smear his name even more. Smh.

Thinking about Loki's magic (Marvel and MCU)

So, Loki, has Shapeshifting and Illusionary magic. I wonder how many times he has been blamed for things he didn't do? Punished for them? Not believed because he can fake evidence with magic and lies? How many times was he used as a scapegoat? "No that wasn't me! It was Loki they shapeshifted to make it look like I did it!" "Loki made an illusion of me doing that!" "Loki used his clones to do it" and etc.

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My inbox is open for Asks and the like! :D

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Yeah, honestly I feel like they would believe ANYTHING that makes Loki seem worse than he is. He got his shapeshifting genetically or from learning magic? No, no, no- that "doesn't sound like Loki. He obviously had to be 'evil' to get those powers! He must've killed animals and people to get his forms!" He learned Illusionary magic? "Absolutely not! He stole souls and uses them to project images or something evil like that. That's just a Loki thing to do."

Thinking about Loki's magic (Marvel and MCU)

So, Loki, has Shapeshifting and Illusionary magic. I wonder how many times he has been blamed for things he didn't do? Punished for them? Not believed because he can fake evidence with magic and lies? How many times was he used as a scapegoat? "No that wasn't me! It was Loki they shapeshifted to make it look like I did it!" "Loki made an illusion of me doing that!" "Loki used his clones to do it" and etc.

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Thinking about Loki's magic (Marvel and MCU)

So, Loki, has Shapeshifting and Illusionary magic. I wonder how many times he has been blamed for things he didn't do? Punished for them? Not believed because he can fake evidence with magic and lies? How many times was he used as a scapegoat? "No that wasn't me! It was Loki they shapeshifted to make it look like I did it!" "Loki made an illusion of me doing that!" "Loki used his clones to do it" and etc.

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(MCU) Loki and Autism.

Alright so, I want to talk about Loki and his autistic coding. Now I won't give much credit to the russo brothers since they made it very clear they don't particularly like Loki as an individual or character..

Anyway, Loki has always been different from the other asgardians. He never had friends of his own, he didn't have people he could really connect with, he was just different.

But that's not all that I want to talk about- I feel like his powers specifically his illusions come into play in this as well. Also his lying.

Okay, so, we know that autistic individuals tend to mask to fit in with society because they're not really accepted if they don't. (Society sucks.) Loki is never really accepted as himself- if he is faking being someone/thing else and people don't yet know of him/his intentions he's more accepted. I feel like it's a form of masking. Playing a role to be accepted. He lies his way through life, uses illusions to mask his true intentions and desires, his true self.. yet people can tell something is slightly off..

He still can't really fit in. Until he meets people like him such as Mobius. He can find connection through similarities although not voiced out loud. (Yes, I believe Mobius is autistic. With Loki and Jet Skis being his special interests) There's just that connection that they have- even at the start when they were enemies and trying to manipulate each other, they had some sort of connection. (Just my opinion though)

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Yeah. People seem to put John on a pedestal while dismissing other character's experiences. Which is harmful to real people with similar experiences. Yes, it is fictional and a lot of elements such as traveling the multiverse are fictional.. however once you dismiss a characters experience and trauma for whatever reason (especially if you just dislike them) it causes real harm to individuals with the same or very similar experiences. It invalidates there trauma, feelings and personal experiences because a character they can relate to is apparently a bad person. It completely dehumanizes both the characters and real people and that's not okay.

Now don't get me wrong. I'm not saying you have to like Wanda or hate John. You don't. You can like and dislike whoever you want. Personally I like John because he is a jerky and pretty mediocre guy. A goodish soldier but not necessarily a good man. Opposite of Steve Rogers who was a good man and not necessarily a good soldier. However- minimizing or dismissing one characters experiences in favor of another's is not okay. We shouldn't dismiss anyone's trauma and lived experiences because it affects people in different ways. You can defend John without dismissing other characters like Wanda even if you don't like particularly like them. Honestly whatever your interpretation of a character is, it's valid but either way we should not be dismissing lived experiences of fictional and real people.

Trauma and mental illness does not excuse what people do. I want to put that out there. It's not an excuse- you can't just say "oh I have x and blah blah blah" and expect your actions and behaviors to be excused. Toxic behavior is still toxic behavior despite disorders and trauma. It is an explanation as to why one reacted in a certain way but never an excuse. It is important to still take accountability for your actions if you've upset and/or hurt people. But understanding why someone reacted the way they did because of their trauma and there disorders is important regardless.

it really pisses me tf off that people act like thunderbolts is the first ever marvel project to deal with mental health. like… are we forgetting about moon knight ?!?? wandavision ?!!???

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I genuinely think it's because it avoids all the complexities and just gives a one dimensional character. That is so "babygirl" and a "little princess". People love to avoid topics that make them uncomfortable. Mental health makes people uncomfortable. There's not that many good representation in the media because people only want watered down and overly simplified versions to be depicted. Otherwise they'll claim not to understand or it wasn't clear enough or something else. A lot of people also tend to dismiss the valid responses to other characters trauma. Like Wanda. They say her kids weren't real and other things to dismiss her very valid feelings and her breakdown. I see people defending John Walker's actions because he saw his friend die but he is a us military soldier he has to follow protocol regardless of what happens especially since he is a supersoldier. Not only that but those same people are the ones to quickly dismiss Wanda's 'crash out' even though she watched Vision die twice and lost her kids-

it really pisses me tf off that people act like thunderbolts is the first ever marvel project to deal with mental health. like… are we forgetting about moon knight ?!?? wandavision ?!!???

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I think people treat thunderbolts as the first marvel project to deal with mental health because it waters it down. It makes it simple to understand when in reality mental illnesses/disorders are complex. A lot of other characters within the mcu and marvel franchise have complex mental health conditions. Like Tony Stark, Loki, Dr Stephen Strange, Bruce Banner, Wanda Maximoff and more. I find it really strange that people believe Bob is a great representation of depression when we don't know much about him and his problem was solved by a hug.. by people he just met.. that's not how it works. That's a watered down and simplified version of a complex mental illness. Depression doesn't go away because of hugs. A lot of people wish it would though, I'm sure. Wanda is a better example for representation of depression and grief, in my opinion. People want to avoid the uncomfortable reality of these disorders/illnesses and the circumstances surrounding them. That's why they take the watered down version as gospel while ignoring the actual complexities and uncomfortable realities of them. I also believe it's important for viewers to understand how certain circumstances can alter the chemistry in someone's brain to where they develop these disorders.. people are very complex. So are their minds and what effects them. Showing/explaining how certain factors like trauma, neglect, environmental factors, genetic factors, etc contribute to ones way of thinking, acting and what (if any) disorders form.

Let's take a complex character like Loki for example. He was neglected (at the very least emotionally), lied to, indoctrinated to hate the Jotun from a young age, pitted against his brother from the start by Odin, betrayed.. all just in Thor 1.

The neglect from Odin caused him to form a need for validation, recognition and attention. Which caused him to act out and take drastic measures because that worked. Finding out he was lied to all his life crushed him mentally, it broke him so he sought answers from his adoptive father.

The hate he grew up surrounded by towards the Jotun led to him having internalized hate and racism towards what he is because from a young age he was taught to despise the Jotun, they were monsters, it was told in childrens stories.. from the start Odin never planned for Loki to sit on Asgard's throne but he told Loki he and Thor were meant to be kings. Giving absolutely no context to Loki what that meant for his future. Odin had picked Thor as the heir and taught Thor everything, not Loki. He had Loki grow up in the shadows of his brother which made it seem like Loki had to compete for his affection. Which again led to Loki taking drastic measures.

Loki felt betrayed by his father when he found out his true heritage because he was taught to believe the Jotun were monsters.. the years of neglect, hate towards his kind, lies, and betrayal of trust pushed Loki to go down the route of "Hurt others before they hurt me" but not only that we see time and time again he migrates towards powerful individuals. Working for/under them. He is still seeking that validation and recognition from anyone in a position of authority because he didn't get that from the one person he needed it from.

Loki flip flops on sides because he can't trust people. His defense mechanism is pushing people away before he gets hurt. (Again "hurt them before they hurt me") Which is a common thing people with emotional neglect/abuse often resort to.

it really pisses me tf off that people act like thunderbolts is the first ever marvel project to deal with mental health. like… are we forgetting about moon knight ?!?? wandavision ?!!???

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I mean.. you could talk about how being emotionally neglected by his (adoptive) father led to a need for recognition, validation and attention.

You could talk about how the indoctrination of hate towards the Jötuns from an early age later led to internalized racism and an identity crisis. Which combined with the neglect resulted in him taking extreme measures to gain approval from his father.

You can discuss the clear evidence of Thanos' torture of Loki in the first avengers movie, the use of the scepter with the mind stone combined with his previous identity crisis and need for validation drove him to lead the attack on New York.

Or you can simply explain how his sassy, witty, cunning and chaotic behavior makes for a great character even if they're on the more rougher edges side. (Which can be explained by his past!)

Ok I need some help people:

Im rewatching some mcu movies with my mum and she doesn’t get why I like Loki so much

For the loki-related movies, she’s seen the first Thor movie, Thor: Dark World, Thor: Ragnarok and the first avengers movie and sees Loki as an asshole and a villain and an overall unpleasant character (I’m paraphrasing but basically thats what she said)

I’ve tried saying that hes so likeable bc of his dramaticness and yes hes not the most pleasant of characters but hes not a 2d villain. He has motives and depth and flaws.

does she believe me? No. Even after watching those movies. Admittedly she’s not invested on the same level as me, but I’m trying to get her to understand. Not join in with me, but understand where I’m coming from (bc atm she probably thinks I’ve lost what little marbles I had left)

TL;DR:

Help me explain to my mother what makes Loki such a popular character.

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Lets talk MCU Loki for a moment.

Well, specifically, Loki series Loki.. since he is significantly different to 2011 Loki.

Loki is.. well, he is "Trauma Bonded" to the tva. Now, I know that might be confusing to some since.. the phrase can have multiple meanings- I'm not talking about bonding over trauma. I'm talking about him going through a traumatic incident and creating a sort of bond to his abusers. That kind of trauma bonding.

He is basically suffering from Stockholm syndrome. Which again, trauma bonding. I understand the appeal of the Lokius ship- the art is just, fantastical.. but, I really really can't see anything other than a trauma bond here.

Like, unless, it's an au where Mobius is Don and Loki meets him as Don and never met him as Mobius.. I can only see a trauma bond.

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In my humble opinion..

If you do not support or like the queer/LGBTQ+ community you have no place in liking Loki. That includes ANY version of Loki whether it be from Norse Mythology, Marvel/the MCU, shows like Supernatural, the Mask Movie, and etc.

Loki is a Shapeshifter. While he is often portrayed as a male or someone masc presenting.. their gender is NOT set in stone. She is gender/sexfluid which needs to be remembered. All pronouns apply to them!

She has been a woman on occasion, they have taken form of a female horse before (and had an offspring!), they are the mother to many beings.

He has been with different individuals of different genders/sexes. They're not straight. She is Bi or Pan (I use Bi/Pan since technically, both can apply)

So yeah. If you do not support the LGBTQ+ community you have no right to claim to like Loki from anywhere they're shown. She is a QUEER ICON and deserves the respect of their "fans"..

Respect Loki and respect people in general no matter their identity!!