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Chapters: 16/? Fandom: The Wheel of Time (TV), Wheel of Time - Robert Jordan Rating: Mature   Relationships: Moiraine Damodred/Siuan Sanche, Moiraine Damodred & Siuan Sanche Characters: Moiraine Damodred, Siuan Sanche, Anvaere Damodred, Alanna Mosvani, Verin Mathwin, Leane Sharif, Myrelle Berengari, Liandrin Guirale 

Slow burn romance, a prequel to New Spring for those who miss our lesbian moms.

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Chapters: 15/? Fandom: The Wheel of Time (TV), Wheel of Time - Robert Jordan Rating: Mature Warnings: No Archive Warnings Apply Relationships: Moiraine Damodred/Siuan Sanche, Moiraine Damodred & Siuan Sanche Characters: Moiraine Damodred, Siuan Sanche, Anvaere Damodred, Alanna Mosvani, Verin Mathwin, Leane Sharif, Myrelle Berengari, Liandrin Guirale Additional Tags: Pre-Book 00: New Spring (Wheel of Time), Romance, a little smut Summary: coming of age romance 

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Chapters: 14/? Fandom: The Wheel of Time (TV), Wheel of Time - Robert Jordan Rating: Mature Relationships: Moiraine Damodred/Siuan Sanche, Characters: Moiraine Damodred, Siuan Sanche, Anvaere Damodred, Alanna Mosvani, Verin Mathwin, Leane Sharif, Myrelle Berengari, Liandrin Guirale 

Summary:Coming of age prequel to new spring beginning before Siuan and Moiraine arrive in the tower. Romance, novice capers and setting the foundations for who they came to be.

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Chapters: 13/? Fandom: The Wheel of Time (TV), Wheel of Time - Robert Jordan Relationships: Moiraine Damodred/Siuan Sanche, Moiraine Damodred & Siuan Sanche Characters: Moiraine Damodred, Siuan Sanche, Anvaere Damodred, Alanna Mosvani, Verin Mathwin, Leane Sharif, Myrelle Berengari, Liandrin Guirale Summary:

This story takes Siuan from leaving home alone as a child through falling for Moiraine asa a novice and explores the factors that forged such an enduring love. 

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Chapters: 12/? Fandom: The Wheel of Time (TV), Wheel of Time - Robert Jordan Relationships: Moiraine Damodred/Siuan Sanche Characters: Moiraine Damodred, Siuan Sanche, Alanna Mosvani, Verin Mathwin, Leane Sharif, Myrelle Berengari 

This story takes Siuan from leaving home alone as a child through falling for Moiraine and explores the factors that forged such an enduring love. Dual POV, later chapters are all the happy fishwives we deserve.

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Chapters: 11/15 Fandom: The Wheel of Time (TV), Wheel of Time - Robert Jordan Relationships: Moiraine Damodred/Siuan Sanche Characters: Moiraine Damodred, Siuan Sanche, Anvaere Damodred, Alanna Mosvani, Verin Mathwin, Leane Sharif, Myrelle Berengari 

Summary:This story takes Siuan from leaving home alone as a child through falling for Moiraine and explores the factors that forged such an enduring love. Dual POV, later chapters are all the happy fishwives we deserve. I’m writing them happy as a form of protest.

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Chapters: 9/15 Fandom: The Wheel of Time (TV), Wheel of Time - Robert Jordan

This story takes Siuan from leaving home alone as a child through falling for Moiraine and explores the factors that forged such an enduring love. Dual POV, later chapters are all the happy fishwives we deserve.

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Chapters: 8/15 Fandom: The Wheel of Time (TV), Wheel of Time - Robert Jordan Rating: Teen And Up Audiences Warnings: No Archive Warnings Apply Relationships: Moiraine Damodred/Siuan Sanche, Moiraine Damodred & Siuan Sanche 

This story takes Siuan from leaving home alone as a child through falling for Moiraine and explores the factors that forged such an enduring love. Dual POV, later chapters are all the happy fishwives we deserve.

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Read our Open Letter to Rafe Judkins (below with link)

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Open Letter to Rafe Judkins & the WoT team

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so beautiful and perfect!

"In This Life"

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My preferred option: admit you made a mistake, get rid of the decapitation scene, and intercut Moiraine’s grief with Siuan’s stilling instead of her death, beg her majesty, Sophie Okonedo, to come back and tell a mighty story about Siuan clawing her way back from ruin to fight for the Light and the Dragon.

WOT fam, i have seen a lot of conflicting theories and suggestions about where the series might be going, particularly in relation to siuanraine, so i am putting it to a vote! (there may be more ideas but these are the ones i’ve seen)

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Anyone else bothered by the fact that there’s been no farewell post for Siuan Sanche from WoT series?

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i couldn’t comment on the OG poster’s post, but this particular edit is the light’s work and a gift to us all

Siuan Sanche

The Wheel Of Time - The Flame of Tar Valon

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Chapters: 7/12 Fandom: The Wheel of Time (TV), Wheel of Time - Robert JordanThis story takes Siuan from leaving home alone as a child through falling for Moiraine and explores the factors that forged such an enduring love. Dual POV, later chapters are all the happy fishwives we deserve.

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Look I'm still processing my own feelings around the Siuan Sanche decision and execution but I gotta get this out of my system real quick. Firstly, some of y'all are way too comfortable swatting down, mocking, and condescending to fans (BIPOC fans in particular) who are upset. I'd recommend reigning that shit in. You can disagree and push back without resorting to all of that. Many such examples abound already within this discussion itself. Maybe try to emulate that approach instead of just bulldozing through an emotionally and politically charged discourse for minority fans.

Secondly, try engaging with this backlash with the larger context of the show in mind. Or even just S3. Look at how many characters (with speaking roles) died this season and how many of them were black. Think about the unnecessary death of Child Valda (Eamon Valda) this early in the series. The actor, Abdul Salis, devoured his introduction scene (and every scene since) so goddamn thoroughly that he instantly made the White Cloaks a terrifying presence that has resonated throughout the rest of the show. This brilliance gets rewarded with an anticlimactic quick death, with no buildup, by the hands of characters we haven't had the time to get to know properly, and who didn't even share a single scene with him prior. Right when Perrin, who does have a real established connection with him, is set up to spend a whole lot of time with the White Cloaks. Why not keep him for longer, doing what he does best, so that when the girls kill him down the line we'd have spent enough time building up to their confrontation to make for a proper earned send off worthy of such a towering talent?

And Ryma, played magnificently by Nyokabi Gethaiga, who absolutely electrifies from the get-go and through (2x6) in particular (along with her warder Basan played by Bentley Kalu). Ryma whose scream and anguished face as she is being collared by the Seanchan has haunted us for the last two years. Who left such an impression of her kindness, her strength, her faith in her sisters, her bottomless love for her warder, and with so little on-screen time. Gets one singular scene this season. With no acknowledgment, explanation, or addressing of any part of her role last season. How was she freed? When? Why was she not part of the effort to uncover Black Ajah in the tower when we saw her so deeply pained and shaken even by just the realization that one of her sisters could betray their sisterhood? She was written into such an afterthought background character this season that so many audience members seem to have straight up not even recognized her as the same character from S2, as Ryma, at all.

And Ihvon, originally played by Emmanuel Imani and recast this season to be played by Anthony Kaye, who dies in ep.(1) and, to the show's credit, haunts Alanna and Maksim's storyline so strongly that we feel his presence throughout the season. But we see none of that reflected in the tower. With Stepin (Peter Franzén) in S1, we get such a beautiful display of the warder's brotherhood, cultural ties to each other, and most importantly, how deeply loved Stepin was by his fellow warders. S1 makes us feel the loss of him reverberate through them all so devastatingly. Where is that grief for Ihvon? Where is his community? We spend so much time in the tower immediately in the aftermath of his death, and yet there is no one to mourn or honor him in the absence of Alanna and Maksim? We couldn't have had some of our characters pass by or even just hear about the other warders holding a funeral for him? Or just remembering him in some way?

I could go on for a good while still honestly. And sure, we could make legitimate arguments and have readings that justify these choices individually. But regardless, what this shows in aggregate, is a pattern of clumsiness in handling dark-skinned black characters/actors in particular. While at the same time, playing around with extremely politically, historically, and emotionally charged images of black bodies. Be it Ryma being collared and never addressing it again, Child Valda's whole thing, etc. etc. ... and now Siuan Sanche bruised black and blue, bloody, stripped to her shifts, bodily dragged across the hall, and decapitated. These are incredibly powerful and visceral images.

And no, before someone tries to make this point, I am not saying you can't graphically kill, write off, or deprioritize black characters/actors for perfectly legitimate artistic or practical reasons under any circumstances. I am saying that those choices don't exist in a vacuum. The context of the text at large and the real world are inevitably going to be part of how those decisions are received. It's not enough to have good faith diverse casting. And it is not unreasonable to expect a continued treatment of care and thoughtfulness past the casting stage and into every other facet of their presence and exit from the story.

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Okay. So, the thing I was spoiled on was Siuan’s death. So it’s hard to say what my actual reaction is to that. Because I knew it was coming. But one thing is for sure: I think it's stupid and I think the justifications that Rafe gives for it are stupid too. But to be honest, book!Siuan has been dead a while, and they only ever let glimpses of her out anyways.

Last season, people got mad at those of us who were angry with what the show did to Siuan's character-- making her literally the opposite of her book character and using her storyline as an accessory to Moiraine's rather than her own-- saying 'wait, you'll see/you can't keep everything in the books/trust the process/you guys never like anything the show does'. Many of us felt less enamored with the show and the fandom after that, some haven't been posting and some haven't been watching.

I hate saying we told you so, but we did. They killed off Siuan, a character whose biggest storyline comes after she was deposed, not before, to give Moiraine the reaction that lets her 'kill' Lanfear. They decided that everything Siuan does after she is deposed-- guiding Egwene, becoming a mentor to her and a secret force of support to her, telling a story about how a woman who has lost everything comes back and finds a purpose-- is less important than finding a will for Moiraine to do something that she had already planned to do.

And let's talk about Moiraine for a second, without the Twisted Doorway, what was Moiraine's cutting Lanfear's throat really worth?? That is the exact same injury that Lanfear healed herself from in season two, she isn't out of commission, and if she is, that's just another inconsistency they've introduced. As for Moiraine without the Tower of Ghenjei to be trapped in, I doubt this is actually 'her death' or we would have had more of a reaction and them talking about it in the actor conversation afterwards. So, we have Moiraine, who has hardly any story left, alive and not trapped and Siuan, who has plenty of story left, dead. I don't know who they will have fill Siuan's role if they fill it at all, whether it will be Leane or Moiraine, or if Moiraine will maybe take Cadsuane's role. But this sucks, completely cutting off Siuan's storyline to add to Moiraine's story in such a minor way. I think it would be horrible to do regardless of who played Moiraine and Siuan, but I think that it must be said that it is an especially bad look that they have seemingly extended the white actress/character's storyline while prematurely cutting off the black actress/character's storyline.

As for Rafe's justifications that Siuan's story after her deposition is 'not at the forefront' and that he wanted Sophie Okonedo to be able to have a big moment before leaving, what complete fucking bullshit. As I've already discussed Siuan's most meaningful plot was ahead of her, Siuan with the wondergirls in Salidar especially Egwene was iconic and important. And Sophie's big moment and monologue could have easily come before her being stilled, not her being killed. And even if the show felt like they couldn't have justified keeping an actress like Sophie on for more seasons cost wise, the book gave them the perfect out--after being stilled, Siuan is de-aged, she could have easily been recast with a cheaper actress. The truth is that the showrunners and writers never respected Siuan as a character outside of her relationship with Moiraine and don't really care about a lot of elements of the story that are important.