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Sooo.. What actually was Mhoks character growth?

I’m still thinking about the last episode and why there had to be a time skip.

I mean it’s kinda obvious. To skip right to the character growth with minimal effort or time spend on it.

And because we really see absolutely nothing as to how Mhok has changed, we have to analyze his actions in the episode to figure it out ourselves. But even there I ran into the trouble of not really seeing any real changes in his behavior. Not from Mhok or Day, even tho at least we where shown some scenes from his life while they were apart.

The first thing that I found weird was how Mhok still treats Day as if he was his caretaker (which Night even comments on). Bc in ep. 11 that’s what the show told us needs to be overcome for them to be in a happy equal relationship. Even the mom said there is a difference between being a partner and being a caretaker. And bc the mom was pardoned and made a fckn relationship guru in this episode, that has to be important right? (No seriously f the mom and spoilers.. nothing this ep sets up is gonna be important urgh)

Then there is the whole flirting, Mhok perusing and Day mildly rejecting the advances. The same dynamic that they had before they got together.

So kinda nothing new.

But it’s just so weird to me how I really can’t make out a change in Mhok at all but he still seemed so ooc to me this episode.

So why is that?

Is it the fact that Mhok just went right in again, flirting after literal 3 years of break up and zero communication as if nothing really happened?

That you are supposed to believe these characters had some actual character growth but nothing was shown and then they just act the same?

That the conflict they had was so poorly handled, it kinda made me sick.

For not adressing Mhoks issues at all.

Or that the issue that the show wants me to believe was the cause of their break up, which was that Day thought he was holding Mhok back and therefore he led him go, was never resolved and in the end that’s exactly what happened again for them to be together. Mhok wanting to staying in Thailand for Day, instead of having a great career, was what the fight apparently was all about and in the end he just quit that same job and stayed in Thailand for their relationship. Good job narrative 👏👏

Ok but back to the actual question. What actually was Mhoks character growth now? What where the 3 years working alone in Hawaii supposed to be for?

One thing that did stand out to me, that was kinda different, was that Mhok seemed more invasive in his flirting than in the beginning. Like how he groped Day while trying on the suits. Or how he shushed him when asking if Day is seeing someone new.

Maybe Mhoks Growth is that he respects his own wishes now more, that he goes for what he really wants without holding back.

Like when Day tells him they not gonna get back together and at first he does what he is told and leaves ( just like he left when Day fired him or wenn Day broke up with him) but now he turns back and goes to confront Day again. Not accepting Days rejection this time and going for what he wants instead.

Which I find kinda iffy bc of course it seemed to be ok, bc we know that Day also wants to be with him. But the groping, the disregard of personal space or boundaries, it just doesn’t feel like green flag Mhok to me. I’m happy that for once he seemed to fight for what he wants but how the show handles that just seems so poorly executed.

There was such a good story to be told about Mhoks grief and how he feels so responsible for his sisters death and they just dropped it to make him more of a plot device for Days story. I really wish we could have had Mhok finding new friends and family and purpose in Hawaii, or in his life in general. Bc how the story is written, Mhok still only has a desire to be with Day. Day still being his one and only priority even after 3 years. As if he was not really living, just working and waiting for the chance to get back together and nothing else. You can actually write a character building a new better life and finding a purpose, but still miss and love someone. I think that takes nothing away from the love, in my opinion it makes it even more powerful.

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Say... was there anyone else feeling uncomfortable when Mhok started groping Day in the suit shop?

That just felt so ooc to me that Mhok just doesn’t respect any boundaries. I mean they aren’t together and just met after 3 years of complete silence where Day blocked his contact and Mhok just starts feeling him up in a public space.

And on that note. What is up with Day writing a book about getting together with an old lover and then it has them on the mountain on the cover??? This episode just felt off on so many fronts. The more I think about this episode, I begin to wonder how they managed to write 10 very good episodes before this.

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Last twilight writers have the gall to write a character that after one fight breaks up and blocks his ex on all accounts, then after 3 years of not talking, says how glad he is that they can now talk about the conflict like adults.

It’s indeed a choice..

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Now that I calmed down a bit, I just wanna say that i really loved the first 10 episodes and also a lot of what I thought they were getting at with ep 11. It’s the first BL in some time that I liked this much and I’m still grateful. Jimmy and Sea acted so beautifully, the cinematography was very pretty and we got some banger songs.

So I will pretend ep 12 does not exists. They just talked after the conflict and Day, now that he knows what Mhok is going through, apologized and supports his boyfriend and they have a nice life together. The end.

Kinda still wondering why these writers so often start writing such amazing shows, only to turn stupid for the last couple episodes and drop all interesting storylines for some unnecessary tear jerking drama that brings nothing new to the table.

It just reminds me so much of vice versa where they had such a nice concept and did nothing with it. So much potential just squandered. So many story threads went nowhere..

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Loving those time skips... am I right everybody? Anyone?

No but seriously.. I just hate big time skips bc the show didn’t make me feel that the characters actually did some growing in that time.

Like if you gonna act like Mhoks character, at that time, wasn’t in the right space for the relationship you have to actually show him doing some changing for me to believe that 3 years later it will work out.

He just seemed to be the same person, who is just as much obsessed with helping and giving than 3 years ago. He still would give up everything for Day and their relationship now. And in fact he fucking does, by not going back to Hawaii and his job even tho Day rejected him.

Like what was the whole point of the time skip? What was the point of everything this episode? And him kinda forcing himself on Day the whole time and Day rejecting him every time. That was also their dynamic 3 years prior. Mhok just acting like he is Days caretaker again. Even tho last episode there was this whole thing with being a boyfriend or caretaker are two different things. Like ????

I don’t know why so many BL I watch open up interesting themes to explore and then throw them in the garbage in the last episodes just to have some random ass drama that no one asked for.

And Day still didn’t get a single scene where he supports Mhok. The show just wants me to believe that it was just all Mhoks fault and Day did everything right. It just hurt so much seeing Mhok thank Day for breaking up with him. Like sometimes I wonder if the writers just write a totally different show than what I’m watching.

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Seeing Mhok thank Day for breaking up with him and apologizing for pittying Day hurt so bad.

And then Daz saying he is glad that they can now talk about in like adults. Grrr this makes me mad. -.-

Like I sometimes wonder if I watched a whole ass different show. Bc that’s not what I got out of last episode.

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Welp. I thought I would be more offended but I already accepted the inevitable and the problematic scenes only hurt a little bit.

But to no ones surprise, it’s just all about Day again, Mhok apologizes for everything like a good boy, even for pitying Day (even tho I still don’t think he even did that in the first place). No talk about his trauma, no scenes where we see anything change for Mhok or him overcoming anything. And them just getting back together after 3 years of not talking like nothing ever happened.

Also I was not a fan of Mhok shooting his shot every 3 seconds and just treating Day like he is his caretaker again. Just feels like there was 0 progress with his character for the 3 years they were apart.

Aaaaand Day also got his eyesight back. Also not happy about that, but at lest it was cute seeing him see Mhok for the first time. And with the shows own logic now Mhok doesn’t need to be overprotective anymore so all problems solved. Yay (sarcasm)

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Agree with everything said.

I’m just so damn scared.. I want this show to be good so bad. I want Mhok to get a proper solution and to be seen and understood. I want him to be supported and loved. He deserves everything.

Pls show, don’t make this all about day’s problems again. He grew so much in this show and it would be a disservice to his character and make him look like a self absorbed prick.

I’m not religious but this show makes me want to pray.. 🙏🙏

We face down the Last Twilight finale today and the hardest part is knowing that, yes, Mhok and Day really did need to break up because their relationship was unbalanced but the imbalance shown in the episode was the wrong imbalance so which imbalance are they going to solve this episode?

Is the imbalance 'Mhok is overprotective of Day and needs to learn to let him live his life 👎' or is the imbalance 'Mhok gives everything to Day and also has trauma and needs comfort and Day has to grow to be able to provide that👍'? Because those are two very different imbalances and one I can handle and the other I cannot.

And therein lies my deepest fear for this show. Because that fight at the end of the last episode is either about Mhok genuinely being overprotective of Day and Day learning nothing about his mom putting her career before him and instead just forcing Mhok to do the same thing because, obviously, everything is Mhok's problem to solve and Day doesn't to do anything except keep growing into the best person he can be and Mhok needs to learn to just... I dunno? Accept that Day needs everything from him while giving nothing in return, I guess?

Or the fight is about how Mhok constantly has to be perfect and cannot be, in any way, flawed because Day can't face it. And when Day realizes that Mhok is flawed he has to live his own life and come to terms with truly needing to be able to support the man he loves so when Mhok comes back into his life he'll be able to be there for him and be able to give him the emotional support he needs and deserves for all the support he's given Day in this relationship. Because that would genuinely rebuild their relationship and make the fight actually mean something.

So... which will it be? What will we get? Will we get Mhok's continued and constant need to be perfect or will we get Day finally needing to learn how to support Mhok?

I am terrified.

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Hi, just wanted comment on your last last twilight post. Hope it’s ok.

I totally agree with a lot of things you been saying about the last episode and am mostly on the same page, I just think you are a bit to harsh on Day. And I wanna say that my opinion totally depends on what happens next episode.

But I think it’s only human to overreact sometimes when one is hurt. Mhok never mentioned his worries and his troubles to Day, so it makes sense for him not to know about it. And while I also think the break up is a bit to much of an overreaction and I’m also pretty unhappy how the scene played out in general, I can understand Day being unreasonable in the moment and not being able to see past his own feelings and insecurities. It makes him look like an ass, but when one already feels hurt and angry it’s pretty hard to be rational and take the other parties feelings into account. The thing is that once Day has calmed down he has to realise that he fucked up and go and apologise.

And that why it really depends on how the next episode plays out. I think from a writing standpoint it would totally make sense for Day to go talk thinks out with Mhok, just like he did with August and his father.

It would be a total disservice to his character if that didn’t happen, bc he did it twice before and it showed his growth as a character that he confronted the dad without Mhok having to push him to do it.

But if that doesn’t happen Day would just look like a total dick. It would send the message that August and the father deserve more respect and forgiveness for their actions than Mhok. And that’s just fucked up.

I really hate how Mhok gets punished for being traumatised and I hope Day genuinely apologises for his overreaction and they talk about it. If they decide to take a break after that or have a long distance relationship, it would be fine by me either way. Day should get a chance to support Mhok as well and Mhok shouldn’t need to get over his shit alone.

I’m kinda just writing this bc I see so many people hating on Day for not supporting Mhok, when the show never gave him a chance to do it, bc how could he have known. It’s more a writing problem than it is a problem with Day in my opinion. But yeah the scene was so bad it made my skin crawl.

Anyway sry for this whole ass rant. I really love your metas and writing and I hope you have a lovely day.

I will admit it's a writing problem. It's a huge writing problem.

And, maybe you're right, maybe the finale will open with Day going to talk to Mhok the day after because he came to his sense and realized what Mhok was saying and that this can't be the end and the entire preview was just Aof mocking us like he did in Bad Buddy.

But I just can't trust that.

Look, is there a chance that they will start the episode with Day going to talk to Mhok and all the moments we saw in the preview will be something else entirely and feel different and I'll be thrilled.

But just... what a way to throw so much out at the end of the penultimate episode and in a way that left such a bitter taste in my mouth.

If they had shown Day supporting Mhok at any other point in the show... I would feel better about this. I would feel better about it. But there wasn't. There was nothing. Just Mhok being everything for Day and then Day instantly turning on him and kicking him out?

Actually, one of the bigger problems was how they also handled Day's mom because fuck that noise. How did she go from cutting her son off from the world to suddenly being the one who could ~see his independence~. Fuuuck that noise. That makes me trust it a lot less, honestly. Because they handled that so badly.

I'm just... I want to trust Aof and believe that this will turn into something I can at least accept.

But I just can't trust it.

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I’m getting kinda confused what message the show is trying to tell with the work vs relationship commentary.

First it seems like its telling us that prioritizing work over relationships is bad, bc isn’t that what Days mother did, that hurt her sons the most. That she was never there. And I mean they are rich as f so she could take more breaks to be there for her sons. Especially after one Son had an accident and is going blind.

But now the narrative is telling me Mhok should also prioritise work over his relationships? It just doesn’t sit right with me. Of course Mhok has to work on his unhealthy dependency and fears. But him prioritising a job that he only does for Day, that makes him be on another continent and far away from his loved ones, is just so stupid. Not everyone needs to be rich and a 5 star chef to be happy or have some character growth. 

It’s just sad that the whole storyline with Mhok having difficulty getting a job bc of his criminal record was just dropped, for the sake of whatever this is..

Why is happiness tied to being successful at a high paying job and getting/ being rich , if I thought the show was gonna maybe tell us something different.

Oh well, let’s wait to see how the last episode is going to handle this. Maybe they still manage to turn this around.

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Is the narrative gonna treat Mhok worse than August ??

Why I have no problem with there being a separation ark but I still hate the last scene of ep 11.

I think the discussion about the separation arc from what I’ve seen lacks nuance. I dislike the last scene of episode 11. It hurt me so bad. And makes me sooo angry. But it’s not bc I think a separation would be bad. It’s just about how it is executed. It’s how Mhok gets punished by the narrative for being traumatised. It’s how Day (I don’t hate him for it. It’s not really his fault) gets to grow and overcome his issues with ppl helping him, with loved ones at his side. While Mhok has to suffer and grow alone. How Mhok makes mistakes and gets punished so severely every time.

I understand that Day is angry and hurt. And that he doesn’t think rational in this moment, that’s why he acts this way. I think it’s only human. Everyone makes mistakes and reacted selfish from time to time. But if they really did the time skip with Day and Mhok not talking things out, it would be a huge disservice to their relationship and the narrative the story is trying to tell. Even f**** August would have gotten more forgiveness for his actions than Mhok. And August offense was way worse.

What I want from the next episode is Day going to Mhok before he flies to Hawaii.

Maybe he had a chat with Porjai before where she tells him that even to her Mhok is closed off and doesn’t let anyone know his struggles bc of reasons and Day seeing It was never about his disability but just about Mhoks own struggles.

Then I want to go to him and them talking about it. Day apologising for beeing to emotional and breaking up. Day saying he is really hurt by Mhok not telling him about his struggles bc he wants to support him just as Mhok has supported him. And them agreeing on a long distance relationship. Where Mhok goes to Hawaii unde the condition that Mhok tells Day about all of his worries and struggles from now on. That Day is there to support him even if it is from afar. And maybe get some hobbies and friends on his own while he is at it. Or maybe he just doesn’t go to Hawaii at all bc I don’t think he really wants to.

That would also mirror the first break up they had, where day fired Mhok. I think at this point it would be out of character for Day to just not apologise or say anything to Mhok. When he went to August after their thing and even confronted the dad after the wedding.

I just think that Mhok needs time to grow and get over his fears and learn to be a whole person for himself and not to live just for others. But I think it’s not fair that he has to do it alone and isolated. He deserves a support system too

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Yeah that’s what I thought as well. I agree with everything being said here.

Also in the beginning when Nick says “What are you doing in here?” He probably is not talking about Boston being behind the counter. He means why is Boston in the store.

And just the way he acts. This guy has probably crushing from afar for some time. And he knows that Boston is a 4th year and so on. Lots of evidence supporting the theory. This guy recognizes his maybe only opportunity to get Boston’s attention and he acts on it. Good for him.. probably not tho.

The face journeys Nick has in these first interactions with Boston tell us so much. First of all:

He is absolutely stunned to look up from his game and realize Boston is in front of him. Everything in his reactions here tells me he knows who Boston is and has maybe already been crushing on him from afar? We see him react, then quickly get it together and ask Boston to step around the counter, and then follow Boston’s movements with his eyes in a kind of daze. He is trying to process quickly and figure out what to do with this golden opportunity.

And here is the moment when he figures it out. He makes this face just before saying he will need to order supplies and asks Boston to come back another day, thus ensuring they will see each other again. And from there the two of them exchange some pretty obvious flirtatious comments.

When Boston comes back to get his phone, Nick is ready with the rest of his plan, having planted a thirst trap for Boston to discover (after first doing some other highly unethical things with the phone as @isaksbestpillow pointed out lol). And when he grabs Boston’s hand to lead him down the aisle, here’s what his face is doing:

To me, this reads like he is once again kind of stunned this is happening, and feeling excited and nervous in equal measure. He’s going for it but it’s clear he’s a bit out of his depth making a play for someone on Boston’s level, and he doesn’t have the easy confidence of someone who hooks up on the regular. This is out of the norm for him.

Which is further confirmed by how overwhelmed he gets once they start making out. He has to pull back to breathe and get ahold of himself, and once the lights go out we hear him start to let out a series of quiet moans even before anyone’s pants come off. Boston is confident, calm, and collected the entire time, but Nick is clearly outside his comfort zone.

So anyway what I’m saying is pray for Nick because Boston’s going to destroy him without even trying.