nathalievonhoffman

[nathalievonhoffman]

Hello,

can you tell me why you don‘t like M? What has he done to J2? I’m just now getting into SPN (watching season 6 atm) and the goings-ob BTS.

And also, only if you want to answer this: which country are you from?

I really like your blog, your insights, opinions and research xx greetings from Germany!

Hey compatriot! I'm glad you like my vlog!^^ I try!

No problem 🙂 I wanted to stay mysterious hehe, just kidding, only a little? As I revealed at the start, I was born and raised in Germany, but a few years later we moved with my family from there due to work 🙁. The surname I used is not real obviously, but I did a phonetic play on the real one. So I'm still being mysterious 😁.

Welcome to the fandom!^^

(I'm going to be honest with you, when I wasn't shipping anyone and was just watching SPN for entertainment, even though Sam was always my favorite character, at first Castiel (he probably only lasted until season 5, then he became repetitive and bland and poorly acted for me) seemed like a good character. Then, when Jack appeared years later, he overshadowed Castiel. They shouldn't have dragged that character out so much, but basically, M is mostly to blame for that. (like the character of Germ, it stank! I know they had to do it, but everything turned out weird) I never saw what the minions saw, to be honest, never (nauseous) And it's true that the strange part was the relationship between Sam and Dean, but obviously, it started because of the actors, which the writers then exploited. That's when I saw in real life that there was something odd between JP and JA.)

Let's see… It's almost the entire fandom that can't stand M. (there's only a small sector that follows him. They seem like a lot, but they are not, they have multiple accounts. They make a lot of noise, but little substance). And some who were fans of him have been "scared" to know him; it seems he has attitudes and says things out of place. He's the typical one who acts cool and tries to buy his fans (because he needs them), uses them, and squeezes their money. (One of his businesses (at least one so far that we know of) I read that I don't know if it was under investigation or facing lawsuits)

He's opportunistic, to sum it up.

And there is too much evidence of this.

With J2 he does the same. He is envious of both (They have what he doesn't have, and it is a long list), and can't stand either of them (this year in the interview for the 20th anniversary of SPN, he pretended to say it as a joke 🙄. Also, the little we see and there has never been interaction between J2 and him outside of conventions). The only difference is that he needs JA, and he exploits his presence or his name, while he mistreats JP (and sends his rabid dogs to do the dirty work.They act like a kind of cult). I know that after his "strategy" (it’s not very original, other actors have confessed to applying it too) so that they wouldn’t kick him out of SPN (there were several attempts), J2 has taken advantage of the reciprocal use, being the third wheel in everything related to SPN. He is a charlatan, and he is on the hunt and fishing for opportunities to grab easy money.

It would have been any other actor (without a rabid cult) and they would have canceled him years ago.

These are all the faces he has shown throughout all these years and there are too many witnesses (who know it firsthand).

It seems that in 'Charmed' he also had problems from what I read.

He has "accusations" with strange treatment of minors. (at least verbal)(It even seems that this disappeared from the radar a few years ago, even JA -jokingly insinuating- called him a pedophile. Don't you say it to say no?it's very strong to say it even in joke (once JA got angry because D took JJ to M's house, I guess this could be a reason)

(It was funny that at one point G, D, and M formed a sort of squad against J2 🙄. Still, it didn't last long. The three musketeers and they're not even funny.)

It is psychological abuse (and sometimes bordering on physical abuse) all for his monetary purposes.

He is hanging onto the spn franchise with all the strength he has, when obviously it doesn't belong to him. (all his "businesses" are only connected to spn,I think). I believe a big part of why J2 doesn't know how to approach a continuation of spn is because this man is clinging on like a tick, as if he were the owner.

They should be grateful for what J2 is doing for him and for the rest of the SPN cast; without them, the conventions would not exist. (for me - as many say - J2 does not do it for the sake of money; they continue doing it for multiple reasons, and one of them is because many of their colleagues are out of work or are struggling to find it. M should at least treat them better; without them, he would be lost. And their fans, if they really are, should behave better, because without J2 they wouldn't have the opportunity to have him in front of them (although it makes me nauseous to say it hehe).

Obviously, J2 with M put on a show; they are the most evident and fake (and exaggerated in the case with JA. It's clear that he really can't stand him) of all the actor combinations on panels. 100% show. The difference is that JA finds it harder to pretend (he ends up doing it) and JP, by nature of being tolerant, does it so that his fans have a good time. But clearly, both M and G are only tolerated, there’s no other choice. (I’m not including D because with her it seems they've reached a limit.) With all the things that the three have done to them, from what we know, they only have to tolerate them, nothing more; they are on terms of respect because they have no other choice. It's about living in harmony (at a certain age you only want that) with these difficult, selfish people who only use them and have bad intentions.

UPDATE : "MC studied political science, worked in politics - and is adept at manipulating people. He knows how to influence the masses. His first video (Behind the Scenes of Supernatural: A Fan's Perspective) shows J2 as superficial, selfish and self-centered and MC is portrayed as a victim, a little, modest, oppressed person. (J2 thought they were making a funny video, but MC tricked them)." (Catsmam)

It's true, he tends to play the victim and portrays J2 as the bad ones (though he's more intense with JP).

He lives off others, at the expense of J2 and his fans. (And he must have done it with many more people)

Sorry for getting intense haha. I just can't help it 😐

Greetings!🙂

[nathalievonhoffman]

Hi Nathalie! I hope all are well with you.

I have been reading all your posts and found them very informative. Thank you!

Please forgive me if this is a sensitive topic, and please do not feel pressured to answer. I just wanted to know how Jensen helped Jared through his mental health crisis. I recently learned that Jared had to check into a clinic for serious mental health breakdown and suicide ideation. Which broke my heart. I also read that Jensen has been really supportive. I wanted to know a bit more details.

I would love to know your thoughts.

Thank you for everything you do.. I appreciate you.. ♥️

Hey! Everything is good over here! Thanks for asking!^^ I hope you are also great!

It is a topic that I have tried not to delve into too much, and basically I know the same as you. And if I have read, I don’t remember (or I don't want to remember 💔) I also haven’t seen much coverage over the years, so it may be a combination of it being difficult to read or listen about this topic and therefore focused on it.

The versions of how it happened have changed over the years (recently in a podcast, Germ said something different, insensitive and out of place as she is). And what has been discussed is what you already know. If I can add, there was a rumor that JA was obviously helping him and that D was too *Suspicious eyebrow * And it was said that the one to blame for what happened was Germ, maybe that's why in the podcast she is trying to wash her hands of it? idk.

But I can inform you of other related things..

I believe that there are topics where J2 is not lying at all, and just one of them is this. JP, as far as I remember, has always said that the ONE who has helped/help him and he has been/is next to him, is JA.(like JA not lying when talking about how he met the one, etc.).

It is evident that JP has a family that loves him very much and supports him in everything (and good friends too).

AKF, when it was founded, was under the "charge" of J2 (I remember that this was talked about. But then they tried to make JA invisible in this matter) why? It remains suspicious… Something that leaves you thinking, right?Because if they were just best friends, why would he do that? (We always reach this point). And then,JA, "diverted" to "support" the pathetic, insensitive, and creepy campaign of M(Something that M did that was in very bad taste!) Obviously JA is important in AKF, but not publicly. Unlike the strange campaign that M 'invented' and JA 'supported' him publicly. It seemed reluctantly, but still.(It smelled like pr) And as always,M sees a gold mine - twisting the cause - and goes out to steal money.Because the big difference is that J2 does it genuinely to help those in need and to donate to institutions. While M did it so that his minions would give him more money, fools.

I have also seen that in old JIB'S, when it was the anniversary day, JA has not left JP’s side when he has been medicated. He stayed with him, distracting him for all those minutes (especially the first years after what happened,I think). And there was once when he had other tasks to do at the convention and did not want to leave him, and Daniella (?) had to go and get to him on stage and almost drag him away.

It makes me angry that beautiful people like JP suffer the consequences because of external factors.!It's unfair!

Sorry, my girl Jared slipped away ❤

AKF is very important and a beautiful cause! (It's a shame I can't tell him in person) ❤

I'm glad that my posts are informative to you!❤

🤗

[nathalievonhoffman]

What it is your opinion about this con from Austin?

Hey!

I'm going to give a general overview for now, girl scout's word, that I'm going to keep updating this post, because I haven't seen the two panels yet, just the maximum number of clips I've been able to catch.

Let's take it in parts as Jack said (it wasn't JA haha)

-First, it should be considered that this type of conventions (with their family present) I suppose must make it more difficult for them to put on a show, on one hand. I'm not saying they don't perform, but I always see that they get more nervous? etc. (plus it seems that JA's humor has been affected because some fans have told him almost to his face that he looks bad without a beard.)

And sometimes they let out a couple more truths than at the family-less conventions.

I believe that by working more than before, there are things he must be missing, and perhaps that's where the emotion he was expressing came from. There are things he must be losing, and it seems he's valuing more things, even the routine in life. Maybe the fact that a large part of his family was there with him evoked all that.

Although I still think that his family lives close to where he works, being an actor takes a lot of time. (Another advantage he might have with VR is that there are several main characters, so they could divide the filming time more.)

-The matching clothing items. I've noticed for several months that it hasn't been as obvious as in this past convention.

It's just that the color palettes of both they are very similar!!! (basically always) look!: -Let's analyze these last two days-

*Saturday: - JA :"blue" (jean)/black (inside the watch, t-shirt)/brown (shoes)                    -JP: blue (jacket)/black (pants and t-shirt and shoes)/  brown (watch strap)

*Sunday: -JA: White (t-shirt, inside the watch) / grey (with white: shirt) / black (pants) / brown (shoes)                 -JP:Black (inside the watch)/besh-brown (shirt, shoes, pants)/grey (T shirt)

-The watches. First of all, there is something that seemed curious to me. With this narrative they've created that only JP is still living in Texas (which could be understood that he used two different watches on both days), why does JA do the same? Pause! First, both collecting watches... it’s a peculiar collection, I guess... BOTH 👀

Second, but we also have to consider that BOTH change watches daily? (at least when there are conventions) 👀 weird 2.0. Third, they don't match this time, BUT, I thought I saw the watch that JA wore on Saturday on JP on Sunday? Or are they almost identical!

This is a topic that I suppose to expand on.. let’s see if I can find evidence that they have worn watches that both have used and then exchanged, even if it's for different events. The more the better.

Conclusion that I have reached after analyzing a little more: The watches that JA (wore on Saturday) and JP (on Sunday) seem to be the same. (And it seems to be the same one that JP wore in Nashville. (silver mesh, black inside, same logo , same model, at least that's what it looks like in several photos I found). In other words... they both wore the same watch last weekend, it seems. The watch with three circles that JA wore on Sunday seems to be the same one that JP wore in the last JIB (at least when they went to eat with their colleagues, in the photo where they are both with Jason). The inside is white and it has three circles.

Apparently, they gift watches to each other. (See a convention from this year, where JP jokingly said he wanted a Pokemon watch.)

-Odette wanted to hit JA too! Haha. That shows confidence, he is not someone who hasn't been seen for a long time! (as they have been trying to portray until now).

The context is that she wanted to hit them because she wanted to leave, Both of them for that reason?Or to JA, to defend the other parent?

Warning, this could be too much, but it could be that instead of Odette saying "You too, six pack?" (which is what is being spread).. pack and dad 🤔 sound similar, right? So she could have said "you too, dad?" to JA? .(JP's eyes widened a lot when he heard that, but I don't know if it was because of how she spoke to JA in front of the public or if it was because he heard 'dad'..) idk 😁 (remember the classic "dad" from Tom when he was little - at a convention - and the one who quickly responded out of instinct was JA.. Then JP went backstage to fix it and obviously whispered to Tom to say "unca Jensen" 🙄 severe cough)

"I'am so proud" (Words of JA) Strange way of expression ...(He said it twice...).It reminded me of that time a fan congratulated JP for expecting his first child, and JA immediately placed his hand on his shoulder and responded with something like, 'we are proud'.

I mean, the funny thing is that Odette treated J2 the same way, at the same level.

This gave me a headache, I need to watch the video carefully arghh.

https://www.tumblr.com/peanutbutterandbananasandwichs/793045665606516736?source=share Orlando? Wasn't it in Boston?

He may have made a mistake..(although they have a good memory, it’s part of their job, and JP has always shown to have a great memory) But Boston was this year, and Orlando was last year? (Was there a convention in Orlando this year?). Technically, wasn’t JA seen in Orlando with his family only?, at least publicly, and a photo that looks photoshopped?. Believe me, maybe I’m seeing them everywhere already haha, but wasn’t JP mentioned, who was there at that time? (as has happened several times) before JA was mentioned there? I need confirmation(?) 🤔

For me,Odette's personality often matches the personality that JA describes of Arrow. Sometimes I think he is talking about Odette and not about Arrow. (Maybe that's why he was affected once? I remember that.)

I remember a couple of times, one where J2 was implying that Odette already knew how to speak like an adult when she was a baby - meaning alluding to her being intelligent - note that Arrow could also be, but it's curious that both their children often share personality traits... And at a convention about 2 years ago or so, I think the question could have been something like whether their children are interested in acting.So JP started, Tom didn't, Shep wants to do it as a hobby, and Odette is performative. JA, when mentioning Shep, jumped 👀 and said that it wasn't what he told him, that he said he wanted to be 'like me.' He briefly mentioned JJ, I think he said she wasn't interested, he skipped Zeppelin (doesn't he always do that?) and continued with 'My youngest daughter' is also performative. 👀 A trait of Odette's personality is repeated. One is coincidence, two...

This is just an observation, but another thing that could be is that the one who draws really well is Odette? I'll give my personal case. I know it's not something hereditary, but there is something strange. I have a couple of uncles, a cousin, a niece, a grandfather,who draw awesome. Odette, as far as we know, has an aunt and her father (from what I remember, he has helped his sister illustrate a character in some book). It could be a coincidence, but maybe her aunt is also teaching her... It's not a fact, it's just that it's curious in these two cases. idk.

Annex (important):

I remember three times (a fourth is possible), that Shep has shown similarities with JA. When he was a kid, JP said he didn't understand him, but they were kindred spirits with JA. They talked about how JA and Shep did the same things when they were little, dressing up as cowboys, just a hat and a gun. JA said he had to tell him to get dressed.. And when he saw the mistake, he said it was because he had stayed overnight at his house. Yeah, sure.

JA and Shep modeled clothing.

JA had a different haircut last year, and from what I understood, Shep wanted the same haircut as JA, it’s just that JP 'scared' him (what he did was funny) so that he wouldn't do it. Obviously, it wasn't said this directly, but the way it was said made it seem exactly like this. Listen to both and piece it all together if you can. When JP finished the story, I think I heard a 'sorry' directed at JA because he was criticizing his haircut...

JA said that when he arrived home, his son did not leave his side. I see a pattern of a lot of attachment from Shep to JA! It only makes sense if JA is his father, someone he is with all the time, that's a lot.

I remember that once JA said he wanted to teach sports to his kids. ( Who loves sports and it shows)What I've seen so far, according to what they've said, is that Tom was the athlete and that JA takes them to golf... Nothing about Zeppelin (although I think last time he said something about golf with him? But he doesn't usually talk much about him, but rather about his daughters)

Many think that he only talks about JJ because she is his favorite, but could it not be that he does that simply because he can only talk about her? And maybe when he talks about Arrow he is really talking about Odette?

-As far as I remember, he had already said before that the barn scene was also the farewell of J2. That's why all those changes in the script that JA made. They were both saying goodbye, together from spn.

"I love you so much my baby....brother"

"It was always been you... and me"

“i don’t know what i would’ve done if i didn’t have you”

Why would he have done that? Curious... 👀

*Another curious thing I found... the shirt of JA says "Marfa Texas," so I looked up what that was... "Marfa, Texas, is considered a place of pure ART, where creativity, artists, painters, photographers, filmmakers, musicians, and meditators are born." "This small ARTISTIC OASIS in the Chihuahua desert to the west of Texas has become a mecca for followers of Donald Judd and contemporary art."

AND

JP hinted that he was going to an ART FESTIVAL, 'Burning Man'.

I bring it up because once again, they are synchronized!

-This makes me think of something J2 would rather do.. They enter separately, they come together or stay apart, or they can’t talk like spouses, and then cell phone! We know well that those two have fun doing things like this. Changing to G doesn't make much sense, does it?.

-"Fun ride" (JP at this convention). The beautiful ride, journey, etc. have been in phrases that JA has always repeated over the years. Directed at JP both directly and indirectly. And believe me, it's a lot of times! (One of the latest I remember is during the pandemic when he said it on Zoom, in the tribute to SPN that they did in Texas, when he later extended his hand for JP to take it, many times in conventions while expressing what he feels for his wife, JP's anniversary message this year, etc.). When expressing their journey together over these 21 years, they both always use the same expressions.

-He pointed at JP's parents and said 'mom and dad'? - maybe it's nothing - But JA tends to do that, point and look away. For example: At the Scooby Doo event, when they were asked what kept them doing SPN for so many years? Or what did they love most about doing SPN? (between these two things, something over here), JA pointed at JP and immediately acted distracted. When they were asked at a convention what they regretted doing at conventions, JA pointed at JP and said 'Do him'👀. When they were asked at a convention what was the most romantic thing they had done for their wives, JA said designing the ring and pointed at JP trying to be discreet. It's like he wants to tell the truth but doesn't want it to be obvious.

When JA was performing in a play where he portrayed a soldier and JP "surprised him" by coming over 🙄, it seems they heard him say to JA's father, "Papa Ackles." When they showed a video of JP riding a bike with JJ at the brewery, JP at one point addresses a group of people who were chatting and someone greets him when JP says "goodbye dad" and his father wasn't there (as far as I remember).

-JA told JP's parents that JP "is a good man." This echoes all the times this year in interviews, JA has incorporated JP directly or indirectly (like his wife). "My incredible partner in life," "My incredible wife" (in a panel with M) etc.

The 'tallest tentpole' (which for me was a play on words, since his greatest and most important support is his tall and skinny husband). In some old conventions, they have talked about how they are both support for each other, and that they have a support system, etc.

-Why he talked about throwing the trash? For me, what he meant when he talked about that is that he missed the routine, that he doesn't like that his wife JP does all the house chores by himself, that he takes care of everything, that he looks after their children by himself, etc. He once said that he watched videos of soldiers and felt like them when they returned home to their families. They were/are about 17 years or more attached to each other's hips; they are codependent (to a  lesser extent, but they still are, and it's not bad if both are comfortable that way!). Obviously, even being apart for a few hours must affect them. They have said that they are always talking. One could say that now they are living what a 'normal' marriage is like, haha, each with their jobs, their routines, etc.

JP has been been two and a half years only doing guest roles (and not because of the stupid things that certain fans are saying that he can't get work. He has put them - on his own account - on hold for years. We also know that he has been offered projects, FC for example and others that JA has hinted that his friends have offered both of them. There is something funny, but once M said that he was being offered jobs but was rejecting them and that he wanted to be EP... I'm saying it! Haha doesn't this seem familiar to you? He keeps copying JP! He is really the one who has been rejecting roles, M doesn't have any offers. M has a history of bad attitude in sets)

I believe that JA feels very blessed to have JP as his life partner (he has said it a couple of times, even at this last convention). They are multimillionaires, so it's not about the money (although they must have a high cost of living). JP wanted to retire from SPN right away; for me,someone convinced him not to, and I believe he likes to work occasionally in something that doesn't demand much time (we saw how he managed Walker, like Disneyland) and he loves (and you can tell) being with his children (he has often felt bad about being away from them). I'm not saying that JA doesn't care about his family, but he seems to need to work too(he has said it a couple of times). Another thing I see is that JP seems to prefer more independent projects while JA likes more commercial projects, which give him the opportunity to scale and win some Emmys. I might be wrong; it's a mix of things he has said with the impression I get.

JA is the one who is more exposed of the two now, and who has to take more care. It is clear that they have been on bad terms with D for years, so he has to resort to other forms of bearding, including the overexposure of JP with G.

(I also suspect that JA was the one who convinced JP to accept the role that Kripke was offering him in TB. (I think it was in an interview earlier this year when JP was recounting the TB story with his wife, and what he said seems to have been something that JA would have said, not G.))

-"What he said was even funnier. Jared was saying that Jensen called him Jensen that morning. 'It's weird for a person to call another by their own name? Even if you're tired, you can mix up someone else's name, but with your own name... that has never happened to me, and I have never witnessed it happening to anyone else.

This is something irrelevant..but oh well..

I mean, "He is the busiest man at the moment" I think,JP said it to insert the idea that JA works 24/7, 365 days a year, almost non-stop. I don't think it's as extreme as they portray it; I believe it's intentional, for several reasons.

And there are many fans who are criticizing how JA acts, so.. JP at the conventions (podcasts, etc.) has always tried whenever he can to uplift and defend JA.

-JP also said a couple of curious things when he was asked the classic question about his friendship with JA.

When he started talking, he hinted that they were introduced? "Did he not tell me he was so tall?" I'm going to say a crazy theory, haha. But, Tom (the one from Smallville), was first friends with JP. It was Tom's idea in 2003 - from what I've read - for JP to be the bully in the movie they were both in. In 2004, through Smallville, was when he met JA, right? Even if it wasn't exactly like that, J2 got to know Tom simultaneously. It seems that JP also knew Daneel's then partner. What I'm getting at... it's crossed my mind a couple of times, that they both had mutual friends and worked at WB ( Once JP said something about seeing JA sitting outside or outdoors on the WB set, I think), how could they not have crossed paths earlier? And why couldn't one think that Tom ( Or another mutual person) was the one who introduced them? And maybe that's why in the audition, it was just the two of them?. (I always found this strange.)

Why once JP said it didn't seem like a blind date?

I'am rambling 😁They are just crazy guesses...(perhaps?🙃)

-"Relationship and friendship, why did he separate those ? - surely it's nothing - I mean, they no longer have a working relationship... what kind of relationship is left... 😏 I am overreacting, that’s all.

-Let's see.. there is something we have been seeing and they have been telling us at the conventions, in wife code, but still.

That despite them being multimillionaires, I don't think (except in specific occasions when JA shows off his jewelry and suits when he has to appear in the world of Hollywood) they are the typical rich people whose houses shine like gold and have thousands of employees doing their chores. (I exaggerated, but you get my point). I believe that they do the household chores themselves. They might get some help once in a while, but I think they try to manage everything in the house on their own. (There was once a picture of G with the supposed 'employee' - this is not very certain - but fans were saying that.. now, that 'employee,' if I recall correctly, had similarities with G's mother? It's a theory, because that photo must be lost in the abyss. But what would happen if when they lived in Austin, G lived with his mother in the house in front or behind? - it seems there were several sections - and she helped out in the house? (What more trust could the mother of the beard have than helping them maintain the house, especially when they were working?idk.)

But I repeat, there are hints of evidence that both of them, together, have done the housework. (When they lived in the apartment in Canada, I don't remember hearing about employees. It would even be difficult to have people around them, trying to keep their marriage a secret. (I have seen that in a couple of Zoom calls , when there are frames in view, they always have other photos on top 👀)

(Why would you put other photos to cover the framed photos?)

When JP made a mess with the cupcakes they were given, J2 started to clean up (although I don't remember if it was just JP that time 🤔-at least he cleaned JP's mouth, I mean JP instinctively went to JA to have his mouth cleaned -But I do remember another time when both of them were cleaning, even though someone went to do it and they refused). JA (said at a Convention in recent years) that he and his wife divide the chores at home. And sometimes he tries to avoid it and extend it, and his wife immediately realizes that he is lying when he tells her he did it, and ends up telling him that she just did it, haha. And at this Convention, he hinted the same thing, that they both do the chores, but since he is working, the burden falls on his wife, and he hates it. And he misses having a mundane life, even just taking out the trash. I can totally imagine them taking on these roles!

Or the time when 'G' posted photos of something that needed to be built for the farm and 'JP' didn't do it and attached a message that said 'that he always threw away the manuals', when we know that it is JA who throws them away, JP reads them.

So, they don't realize that it makes more sense with JP?

I hope it was functional! Haha

Greetings!

[nathalievonhoffman]

I have to say: your blog is amaizing! Please, keep going, because I can say that I found a lot of intresting facts I haven't seen anywhere else❤️

What is the most underrated (or, I could say, the most unspeakable) thing about J2 thing?

I mean, some J2 tinhat, but no one (or almost no one) speaks about it, but it's a bit important🤭

Hi!!

I'm glad it's useful for you! ❤

Sorry for taking forever!I didn't know how to approach this, to be honest.😬

Let's see, I guess from the emoticon you used, I imagine where this could be going… haha. I'm bad at these things, but let's keep it PG.

There is too much regarding this topic, toooooo much!!

Well, let's begin * cracks knuckles repeatedly *

*The green room. We know thanks to a video from Rich and Rob, that at least during the time of SPN, they had one to themselves. Why would it be? I imagine it was because of the privacy they needed. And even more, I imagine it was because of the nerves and stress they felt going out to a room full of people and putting on a show most of the time. As we know, JA has always found it more difficult to lie (you could tell when he did), he spoke less, and JP was the one who guided the show, although he's the one who rambles. (Like the song by RC? I only remember the title.).So, I leave the task to your imagination of what could happen in that place for them to relax, cough cough. At an old convention, in response to a fan's question, focused on what they regret most about conventions (or something within that range), he said pointing at JP, "Do him"…. The times they have arrived late to the panels (recently, JA had to clarify it was because he had to go to the bathroom… I mean… he had to clarify it.. why?), or blushing (and not just from running) or with a poorly buttoned shirt…(true story!) the classic black shirt, which changed the status between panels…

It's just an observation, but… at an old convention too, J2 arrived sweaty and flushed (it could be from running obviously, but we are in a vicious cycle of why they arrived late?) and JP cautiously sat on the back of one of the couchs (typical of him to sit in strange ways), but I found it strange that when JA was going to sit 'normally', he looked first at JP (and it seemed out of sympathy) and sat down just like JP. I thought it was a weird action from both of them. But even stranger, a little later Ty (?- I don't know if that's his name-) came up on stage with his son in his arms where they were, and I felt like he dodged JP (who was flushed) and went towards JA. It was evident that it was for fan service, but it was curious, maybe Ty caught J2 in some compromising position? And JP was the one in that compromising position?. We'll never know…

*The acrobatic (and gazelle-like) movements of JP. I know that a good part of it is from the ballet classes he took in high school, but… (at a convention, JA saw him 'horrified' as to why he should be like that too?)

*They have said several times that they play music in their room, and they joked several times about JP's dances. A few years ago, a striptease, when JA got tense when JP said he was going to do one at 10 PM. JP dancing to Britney Spears (at least I remember one recent and another from years ago). And now at this convention in Austin, talking about EMD (?). When JP mentioned that style of music, JA reacted in a strange way. (I know from other tinhats that it seemed like J2 knew the whole urban dictionary. Look up EMD and see what else it means besides the music style… it seemed like JA was bantering with him and then there was a strange maneuver from JA right after, which I want to say, they were talking dirty. Or at least that was how it seemed to me when I read it several times and saw their reactions.) : https://www.tumblr.com/ardentpoop/792890253932380160?source=share

There are jokes and rumors about JP doing a striptease or more intimate dances.

The time JP said he played music to fall asleep and JA basically seemed to be complaining that he did.

*We know that there is a lot of fan service (it's part of the show), on M's side it is sick and out of place, but on J2's side it always seemed more natural. (Besides other examples with other colleagues, it shows that it is all forced. It's clear that it's all a spectacle, with Rich, with Rob, etc.)

It seems that in this matter, J2 has been very guarded in recent years, but before it was more intense and fluid. If it's just a show, why control themselves like this now? right? But we have seen (and continue to see to this day) the innuendos between both of them, as if they were in their own bubble. (and many times realizing the mistake, late)

I know it's typical for men to talk like this.. I have seen men do that, but what J2 is doing is different at the same time, it seems personal. And why do they react the way they do when they have "crossed the line"? (They seem nervous and scared after.).Many times both also blush when one J refers to the other J.

*The special diets they have talked about doing, JP alone and both together.

*How many times have both checked each other's body and blushed on stage? I remember many (even in these last few years)

*I believe, based on what we have seen and what J2 has said repeatedly over these 21 years in conventions (podcasts, zooms, SPN gag reels, etc.), that intimacy goes both ways. (You know what I mean). However, I think that JP-omega and JA-alpha roles prevail more.

JA once said at an old Convention that they were both forks and spoons…

But I keep thinking that they are generally more comfortable in their roles as, omega Jared, Alpha Jensen. Both in intimacy and in acting in everyday life.

JP seems sweeter (JA, Chad, and others have said this about him. I have seen this side many times in videos outside of conventions. Not only with words, but with his mannerisms!) And he seems very sensitive. While JA seems more like he is in charge, he is the protector, the man of the house, so to speak. (JA once said that JP was the girl in the relationship…)

I don't know if I understood correctly, but I thought I heard (at a convention in recent years, where at least JP's parents were present) that JP took JA to meet his brother? 👀 (Then he got nervous, and JA started the banter with him, saying that having a mother who is a literature teacher, how was it so hard for him to speak). I mean, girl code, hehe (like when he said he had a box of memories. I'm not saying men don't do it, but I don't know any 🤔 I think) (and it's not criticism, it's very adorable!)

So to sum up this section, we know that JA is the dominant one in the relationship (in JP's words, in an old interview, he said that JA was a control freak) and the captain (JP and Rich have both said this), therefore, JP is the submissive and the 'co-captain' (in Rich's words). A few years ago, JP said that when there are problems, JA takes the reins, 'there they are, now what do we do?'. That JA is the masculine one (JP said this around 2005 - "although he didn’t seem like it "- Kripke has said it). That JA is alpha, how many times has it been said! Meanwhile, JP has always been given the role of the girl.

UPDATE: Some examples of Dom/sub:

And this designation of roles is a fact in homosexual couples.

(For example, did you see a Convention (with an interview) from 2010? I think I've seen it circulating around here these days, and they always say that JP looks very androgynous? ( I know that it seems that way other times too)Did you see how he acts there? Well, I think that's quite close to how he really is,for me (I've seen him act like that several times,now in Portugal too.It could be possible that he acts like this when JA is with him.)

*The fixation that both have with various parts of each other's body. (more lately JP's long legs) Or JP's obsession with the masculine part or the muscles in other men, but especially his man. (There's a good track record of that. When JA is very muscular, someone is delighted). There are photos (and videos) that for this reason, make me suspect that it is the other J who is behind the camera) JA once said that JP liked to play with his third leg? The (more repetitive and intense) slaps on JP's backside.JP does it too, but more in a playful way.

*The side of the bed they sleep on. I found it curious at a convention when JP and Genevive went on stage and JP went straight to position himself on the left side, and she asked him why he did that if in bed it was the opposite side. (Something silly for her to say, because they always have to bring up in some way - and in an uncomfortable manner - that they are actually the couple, pff. hahaha). And it seems true, in the videos that G has uploaded to IG, JP is shown sleeping on the right side. Also, over the years it could have changed due to moves, changing furniture, where the light and door are, and which side each one feels most comfortable on. It seems kind of silly to talk about this, but I found it something "curious". Like J2 has the complementary place.

*How do both of them know how they sleep? (fork and spoon, JP face down, naked, etc.) How do they know how they wake up? (I remember that once it was JP, and this year at the JIB it was JA who was describing it) How do they know what each other's weak points are? (I remember a convention and a gag reel, where JP caressed JA's neck and ears, and JA became hypnotized!). These are things that only couples know!

*The two stories that I remember that were told in two hotels.

*The time JP showed his phone to his fans and what he wrote to Jack 😁 and in the message thread, JA (in the early morning) asked JP if he remembered they had a convention the same day. What was the interpretation? JP has insomnia, right? And it seems he goes out for walks because of it. How did JA know that JP was not in his room? Or could we say that JA woke up and saw that JP was not beside him? Because there's no other way!

*Something more tender, JA telling us, the signal of the index finger between him and his wife, which meant that he loved her and Vice versa . And whom we have seen do that with JA…. it's a complex riddle!… well, well, calm down, I'm going to say it… JP!!!! (And in these last years, I have seen it too!)

*We just found out now that JA can lift JP. (and it shows that JP likes it when he does that, both JA and other men have done it). We also know that many times JP has gotten hurt, and many times it has been suggested that it was because both (or including a third wheel, like M, or the actor who plays Kevin, sure sure 🙄) were wrestling👀 I think they get a little too passionate at certain moments haha.

*The famous Daddy of JP towards JA.

*Many times something that is being said doesn't seem dirty, but it immediately reveals itself to be so because of their strange immediate reactions. (The Pokemon cards thing sounded weird, because of JA's reaction) (Be careful, I might be wrong, because my reaction is always innocent. But from what I read and because of the reactions, it makes me think that it is not just a simple comment.)

*UPDATE (myescapeshhhh): At an old convention, JA and others from the SPN cast were making Valentine’s cards, and at one point, JA threw extra glitter on Rich's card and JP walked into the room right away, and as if it pertained to JP, Rich complained to him about what JA did. The funny thing was, a) he complained to JP? 👀 b) he said something like, 'Your..' (boyf.. I hadn’t caught that! but awesome!).. with just the 'Your' (and he got cut off) it sounded weird, YOUR what? 😉. If he wanted to say 'Your friend,' he would have said it and not cut off. So he almost let slip something interesting for us 😔 Then he corrected himself and said 'He,' right? More suspicious, impossible!

I can be doing this until the year 2500. But I'll leave you these samples over here haha.

I'm still not completely sure if this is what you wanted me to analyze?

I hope so!

Bye bye!

UPDATE (August 28) : 😬 since I got into the dance alone... At least, I won't have to touch on this topic again hehe. Sorry for misunderstanding it! 😬

And Since I just saw this post, I'll leave it here:

https://www.tumblr.com/ardentpoop/793071813373640704?source=share

Ladies and gentlemen, let me introduce you to Rich Mr. pr! It's funny that JA stayed in that position until Rich came to the stage with his warning. Haha. More obvious, impossible!

[nathalievonhoffman]

Hi! I have so many questions about J2 that I could stay here for days. But no, I'll just ask:

Which Radio Company song (or songs) do you think is dedicated to Jared? And why do you think they're for him?

I don't know, it's just that when I hear Jensen sing I melt like a popsicle in the sun and I don't know, I imagine Jared feels the same way. After all, he's his biggest fan :,)

Also, I'm obsessed with Jensen singing for him so.. feed me some J2? Pretty please?🥹

Heeeey!!^^

Since you gave me puppy eyes, I'm writing to you first hehe.

It usually happens with J2!It's a fascinating topic! hehe

Why he writes them for JP? (Then I reread your question, and I interpreted it wrong - not recalling it well - but I keep this question to maintain it 😎.) JA seems to be the more cheesy of the two haha (correction, JA is more cheesy in words, JP is more cheesy in actions,I believe, for example he is more affectionate, hugs, caresses, etc., you understand my point! Once, at a convention? JP said exactly that about himself, he is more about actions, I don’t mean that when necessary he doesn’t resort to words - just like JA turns to actions - but it seems he feels more comfortable in actions) it’s an indirect-direct way of publicly expressing his feelings towards him. It’s one of the few things he can do and 'get away with it' without getting into trouble. (even though it sounds obvious)

There is something that has always seemed suspicious… because (only a few times has he been seen mixed with the horde of fans) why is JP not usually seen at JA's concerts? 👀. I know this is probably more about the fact that he is not in sight. (Several times JA looks in a certain direction repetitively). But why not see him with the other colleagues who attend and are in sight? Curious, right? It reminds me of when JP said that 'he cannot publicly support and love who he truly wants'.

RC...It's not my style of music, it's very far from my style of music 😬 But I love the idea that he sings them for him, in 'secret'. (I had read that - he was probably pretending it was a joke - JP couldn't sleep without hearing JA's voice?)

I know that he usually doesn't mind singing them over and over again, except for "drowning" (as far as I remember, it has quite a depressing lyric?), so I don’t think the others he chooses for the set list are "traumatic."

The tinhats have highlighted that there are certain songs that are very romantic and are aimed at JP (at least one or two per album). The others songs, it seems JA has said, refer to the "dark" side in the industry.

I am bad at interpreting lyrics, besides English is not my native language (There is its own jargon) , and knowing almost nothing about the United States, are there certain references, metaphors, etc, that could be involved in their own "culture"? So I don't understand them 😬

I know there are tinhats pages that have analyzed various lyrics of their songs. So as I come across them again, I'll send you the links here! Or I can give it another try if you want?❤ No problem!

I give you an interpretation of the lyrics, as a test: I just read the lyrics of the song "Angeles" and it seems like a song against the people who are against or want to "harm" J2. It seems more like a song about them taking care of and protecting each other from the toxic people they know who have tried to harm them. And it’s in duet code, so it’s them against the world. But that’s just my mundane interpretation. (In one of the premieres of the last seasons of SPN, Daneel said "angrily" that J2 only thought about themselves and protected each other. Interesting! Indeed.)

Another strange thing is that when Daneel or Misha have tried to claim the lyrics for themselves, they have basically always (except the last time at a convention, when JA neither admitted nor denied - fan service to the minions - that a certain lyric from a song - I don't remember which - was from Castiel and Dean. Pure fan service and mearding) gets angry and snaps.So that says it all. It's a shame that I don't have a record of what they were.

It is obvious that a lot of lyrics are in duo code. (at least I remember many)

Even though it may be evident, I wanted to bring this up. Sometimes there are bands that have two members (or more - a minority) who write, so I am not very sure if Steve also has his own songs (or which they would be) or if some are made together. It seems possible to me, but it seems like a difficult task to do together if it is something personal. It also seems strange to me that there are cases where the one who composes the lyrics is not the one who sings, but I think that if something is intimate/personal, generally the singer is the one who focuses on the lyrics. (If it is about society, politics, I don't know, lyrics with stories of fantasy etc., it is very possible. Otherwise, I think it would be strange for a singer to say lyrics that they don't feel…) But RC's lyrics all seem very intimate. So my doubt is whether JA wrote all of them? Or does Steve have some as well? I know I have read a different writing style in all their albums, some with more metaphors than others, etc., but I don't know.

I say if what I (and other tinhats) think is correct, that Steve is the one who has been with Daneel all this time (I don't know if still), they could share in their lyrics certain perspectives of the industry and of their life around it. idk.

That's all for now! I'm going to be updating this post!😉 'popsicle in the sun' funny haha

Bye bye!🤗

[nathalievonhoffman]

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I am going to start doing this.. to become more organized. I will be updating the posts that are thematic. There are theories that are being discarded or they have changed and new ones are emerging, and I will be adding information to others. So that it doesn't get chaotic for me and you don't go crazy either hehe. There are posts that I'm writing in a very disorganized manner, sometimes my head is going in several directions at once 😬 and many times I write sleepwalking.But word of a girl scout, I promise to be clearer! And to have more foundations, because I hate not having them 😬. End of transmission!cya!

Ps:I owe a couple of answers! No panic hehe, I've already written them, but I'm polishing them!.For one of them, being a current topic, I'm still gathering information!

[nathalievonhoffman]

[nathalievonhoffman]

Hii! I love your blog, and I want to share some things here that I’d like to be analyzed by the great expert (meaning you)❤️❤️❤️

I’m a big J2 fan, and I really do believe (for sure) that they are actually together. I know I probably sound paranoid most of the time, but I don’t go around publishing my beliefs (I don’t like people who seem so desperate to prove something; if it’s real, then it’s real).

Anyway, I’ve been thinking for a while about sending you a message, and now I finally decided to write to you (I’d rather stay anonymous, I don’t want people thinking I’m crazy).

Sooo, first of all, I have a question about the vacation in Portugal. According to some research (and Instagram posts—which I’d like you to check out too, they’re on Genevieve’s account, and also reposted on other accounts), Jared and Genevieve went to Portugal because a family friend was celebrating her birthday. Even though there are group photos from the event (and there are a lot of people, trust me), I noticed that Genevieve and Jared also went hiking (I think Jared mentioned once that he likes hiking), and the most interesting part is that a few photos were clearly taken by a third person (which isn’t something you can just overlook). Of course, my crazy inner voice immediately says Jensen was there with them (though, of course, he wasn’t mentioned anywhere). But I came across a photo (pretty recent), of a man taking a picture of the sunset, and judging by the back of his head and hair, it was 100% not Jared. Based on the latest photos of him on the internet—like the Hollywood Grid red carpet ones—Jared’s hair is longer, and in this picture, the guy’s hair was shorter (you could even see his ears, which isn’t possible with Jared’s current longer hair). Buuut then I looked at a photo of Jensen posted on the 22nd, and Jensen’s hair is shorter… so now I’m wondering if maybe… (of course, that’s just my crazy brain again).

Also, I wanted to ask: don’t you think it’s weird that as soon as a few photos of Jared show up online, within a day or two at most, Jensen also has to appear online? (And vice versa too, but still, it’s kind of strange). Like—Jared’s on vacation, boom, Jensen posts from the filming set. Jared shows up on the red carpet, boom, Jensen’s in Austin taking a picture with a fan. (By the way, I haven’t really seen fans posting pictures with Jensen or Jared lately. I mean, almost never… and Jensen is pretty in-demand right now with Countdown, The Boys, and other shows, but I rarely see him taking random street photos with people. I even heard sometimes he refuses to take pictures…).

Oh, and do you know anything about the cons happening these days? I’m wondering if I missed something…Anyway, I probably went overboard (and please do tell me when you think I started to go off the rails, because I know I probably exaggerate.

I just hope I made the right choice posting this… even anonymously… I guess we need to stay realistic, right?).I hope you have the patience to read all of this (I kind of got carried away, didn’t I?). Have a great day!🤗

Hey!!!

I'm very happy that my services are useful and appreciated!😊

Thank you!! ❤ 🤗

We must ignore those who say we are paranoid 😉. We have some facts, they have them right in front of their eyes 🙄 And they often become defensive and insult, there's a reason for that… I go into non-tinhat blogs to gather information 😁, but I try not to subject them to what I think. Many times I get frustrated by how they contradict themselves, all to fit what they want to see. But we must know how to respect the other, and many fans do not. *sigh*

Most of those who criticize us weren't even here from the beginning, when everything was more intense and revealing. (I wasn't there either, but I try to keep myself informed about everything I didn't "live through")

It is likely that if we ignored those key years (the entire era of SPN), we wouldn’t have the foundation for what we are seeing these years. And that’s how some fans work; they don’t know the history and they dive into what they want.Idk…

Or do they think that the industry doesn’t operate the way we see it… they swallow the pill… they receive and twist (to their liking) everything that is served on a platter (in truth, this can be applied to everything in life, people in general accept everything they see and read, when many things are lies, are planned, etc.)

I don't know… I think we need to have an open mind, especially nowadays… Not everything is what it seems… In fact, many times nothing is what it seems… (this has been happening for several years, but these last ones have been worse). And especially in the film industry.

They are public figures and therefore have no private life. For me, it would be a hell to live like that. What is the solution? Creating an alternative life is one (although at first it may seem like a game, in the long run it is exhausting). Chad Michael Murray said in an interview that what he showed to the public was not how he really was - I don't know if it's true or if he says it to wash his hands of things he has done in the past, I also don't know if he has done things in the past haha, I never paid attention to him - but it is a possibility that many consider and apply. Let's put ourselves in their shoes, fans (and in other cases nightmare paparazzi) revealing every step we take, where we are, what we do, who we are with, etc. And even more so for a same-sex marriage, which has several prejudices beforehand and affects their work.

Sorry, I hung up too much!

Anyways, welcome to the club!😁

The other day I spent a little while investigating all the photos and videos I found that had been posted both by G and her friends from Portugal. I wanted to see if I could find something out of place,but I only found a few strange details. I believe that whenever G is around, it's because she has to do bearding, I don't think JP enjoys being with her just for the sake of it. (For me, they tolerate each other just enough to get the job done as well as possible. Whether it's work/work - conventions - or work/ leisure) So if G is there, for me, JA is there too. Many times, JP shows (or says things) that makes it clear he doesn't even want to see her in figurine form (they are friendlier if we compare them to JA and D, that's for sure. They must have reached a middle ground where they feel as comfortable as they can be. And they have to be co-parents, so they don't have much choice. I don't think full-time co-parents, if what she's talking about applies, about the contract that G -when she was drunk-mentioned a couple of times.

My perspective on them being friends is changing a bit these days. Over the years, the relationship with G has changed, from bad to decent.Is a cycle,so that's it.

(Once JP introduced her as a friend in front of some fans, strange right? not 'wife', but friend. )

Returning to what you asked me..

I was trying to figure out who the person was in the photo where you can see a man taking a picture of the sunset (I'll look at it again, even more carefully later) And it's true that JA's hair has been short for a few weeks now (The times could fit perfectly.)What doesn't really match for me is his body structure. JA is "bulkier" and has broader shoulders than the person in the photo. So I don't know… I don't think they would dare to post something that is incriminating evidence. (Unless they edited it in some way) or it was taken from a different perspective, like the one they took with Barbie's-JP legs.

I was reading some posts from a fan here on Tumblr, and what seemed strange to her was why they were releasing the photos and videos slowly. How long has it been? About 3 weeks? 1 month? (I’m lost in time 😁), and they are still being posted. E ve ry week. What she suspected was that they were editing them (like adding someone? removing someone? etc.) and then uploading them later.Because on the first day they posted photos and videos, there was very little of JP, and some of his fans began to wonder why he wasn't in almost none that G was in. And the only photos they posted of both of them had G's clothing that matched what she was going to wear several weeks before going to Spain.. Both outfits were the same. (She posted reels packing the suitcases and there they were)And then after the fans' questioning, they immediately started posting more with JP. Why?

And it made me laugh, because in the photo where she has a sailor dress, if you look at everything around her, it's her suitcases, it's her clothes and ta-da! JP's flashy and unmistakable fluorescent colored shoes! Let's put ourselves in her position, are you going to take a picture of how something looks on you and you’re not going to try to tidy up the environment in which you're taking it? Those shoes seemed to have been strategically placed there. "Look! JP has the same room as I do! You know, you know! We sleep together IN THE SAME ROOM, did you know!? You know that we do couple things too? Really!" Haha sorry, I couldn't help it, but G is silly haha. And there's another photo she posted in front of another mirror 🙄 where I noticed strange lines around G's outline, as if she had taken a photo in HER room and then put it into a photo of JP in HIS own room and ta-da! They're in the same room. It's magical!

So it seems to me that two photos are photoshopped, and one is staged. (at least that's what my little to no experience in photography tells me). The question of the century, why do they do it? And this leads us to… why pretend to be together? Why do they need to do it, for some reason 😉 (and it's not new, this goes back to ancient times)

Now, normal people like us would repeat clothes. But they (I'm going to take JP out of his 'work suit' because I think he does it on purpose. I'm not saying that he doesn't find it comfortable and has a bit of a fixation haha, but that's a different matter) and especially G being an influencer, I don't think she would like being seen in two repeated outfits (Besides, let's say she could repeat one, not two, two is too much of a coincidence) I don't think I've seen this pattern of clothing repetition in the photos from Portugal, except for those two initial photos that she uploaded.

Aside from that, in one of the photos where they are both and Starbucks is in the background, JP's glasses seem to reflect the pavement and part of the building behind him. Shouldn't her arm be seen taking the selfie? The pattern seems to be the one behind him.

There are a couple of strange photos there. Another thing that caught my attention are G's and JP's friends? Or just G's? They seem more like G's friends. JP is always at one end in the photos, at least in several that I remember (I also think it's easier to manipulate the photo that way, could it be?). It's just a assumption. Maybe… it's a theory… they went separately, G with his group of friends and JP with his whole family. Could we say it's a 'reverse' bearding? When it has always been the other way around. I hardly remember photos that have tagged JP. And the other day I saw how, in a video, you could remove or add people, etc. (Yeap, even though it sounds silly, I just discovered it haha. I didn't know there were more accessible programs for that, and it works perfectly. There must be apps too, with all this AI stuff). It also struck me as curious that in the videos, JP is shown very briefly (I don't know if that has anything to do with it); in the others, they focus, but in his, his appearance is always fleeting, at least in several that I remember.

So I don't really know if J2 was there doing "reverse" bearding with G, and then J2 spent the rest of the time with his family? Or if JP wasn't even present. I mean, did they add him in?or did they erase JA?. No idea… these are strange things that cross my mind haha. It does seem strange to me that JP always spends time with his whole family and I haven't seen anything with them (neither in the photos of his birthday nor in the trip) when you could say, it's his birthday month!

Yesterday I started thinking about that, what would happen if there is more Photoshop than we think? It sounds a bit extreme, but I don’t know if I should dismiss it. We know that in the past there was quite a bit of Photoshop in their photos.

Don't worry! It happens to me too! I don't know if sometimes I'm just too paranoid. It’s just that I try to figure it out and it's hard. There are things that start making more sense, but nowadays (and in these last few years) they're making it more difficult for us haha. As several tinhats have been saying, the smoke and mirrors are quite a lot.

I insist, why after 'as soon as they returned' from Portugal, photos and videos started appearing for several weeks drip by drip? from various sources? several weeks! It makes you think, right?

Regarding the synchronization, it is true that it is still relevant to this day! In these months (which is when I've been most tuned in), I've seen several examples indeed! The premiere CD/ Spain, tracker/Portugal, VR/Convention in Boston, the premiere of veterans in LA/Austin Convention (a day earlier) etc. The one who I spoke about reading the blogs above, mentioned that she found it strange that the premiere of veterans in entertainment was going to be in three (I think I read three, I only remember two, but it doesn't matter) different states. In LA which was on Thursday 8/21 and drum roll on 8/22, in… Austin!! Why he wasn't there on Friday? Meanwhile, JA was seen in Austin on Friday, cough cough.It suited JP better to go on Friday. And this looks super suspicious. (Could it be that JP was representing both - was JA around?👀 - because I saw that they tagged Keegan,in an unofficial photo..) because maybe it's EP of that film? Why he was on the red carpet?Or was it to help his friend with the promotion of his film? Just curious.)

Regarding the fact that basically no fan has seen much of J2 in recent years, it’s strange. For me, they are living in a quiet place (as JA said in an interview), and I also think they must be avoiding airports as much as they can (either because of their private jet? or by road. One year, they hinted at road trips, saying they missed doing it and they did it again). And especially JA, he must be rejecting photos, yes. A couple of fans have already mentioned it (in the SPN era, it was also often heard that JP took a photo with them while JA would make an excuse not to do it). Yesterday I saw that an employee at an airport in LA had made a video ranking celebrities based on how they treated her. The highest was 10 (excellent), JP got 12/10! (haha, he exceeded the scale), and JA got an 8/10, but what caught my attention was what she said, that he 'didn't seem very friendly' and that (I interpreted it this way) it was difficult to get a photo with him, although in the end, he did (because she mentioned it. It came off strange the way she said it.I think that's how she said it? Because I was surprised. I mean, it's not how his fans usually portray him.)

This is a reflection of how both are acting. It seems, from several sources, adding yours, that he is not very willing to take pictures with fans. (It's understandable, you are revealing where you are going. And especially now that he is the one who is more exposed of the two, and especially if he is with JP.)

It's funny too, because there were cases where JP was the one taking the photo, and they didn't tag him, and then at some point, we found out he had taken the photo (for example: his beanie on a seat). It's a pattern they follow; they are both together, but they only tag the one who appears in photo one to avoid suspicion. There are even times when they tag a photographer, but I have suspicions that the photographer is really the other J. (There are photo styles that I sometimes see repeating. I know nothing about photography, but every artist has their own mark). I need to check better, but it seemed to me that JP wasn't being tagged either in what everyone was posting from Portugal. And I was researching the IGs of G's friends, and it seems like they are the type that surround G. An 'influencer' style, not necessarily influencers some, but it could be said in the field ,of things related to spirituality, etc.

G is involved in everything spiritual. (This blog that I'm talking about has been mentioning this for a while, and it highlights elements in the posts, reels, etc., of G. Numbers, etc. No idea, but she always sees a pattern whenever G posts something). Another curiosity, there's a video that 'Genevive' uploaded of a cathedral, both from the outside and inside. G is into spiritual things, therefore, she is not Catholic. I also understand that when you go on a trip, you enter those buildings for their architecture. But (it could have been a coincidence) it seemed like there was a mass going on? Now, we know that JA is indeed Catholic. I remember at least another time, when there was a picture of J2 visiting a church in his own country. What I'm getting at is that it seems like a place he would go to on a day of mass, JA, not G.

Moreover, I always think the same thing: if it were G who recorded those videos and took those photos, she would always try to include herself in them. And we know well that JA likes to record and take photos (of JP) (and more professionally), therefore… On this last trip, we have photos of JP's long legs and his entire back structure, haha. It seems to me like something JA would do (so many times at the conventions his gaze has slipped to the whole body of JP), not G.

And there were photos where only G was present (photos that showed affection) with her friends, not a glimpse of JP.(Not labeled as far as I remember.)

I have seen and read transcripts from this year's conventions, and there are some that I find have good (camouflaged) information. It seems that JA is still saying things at meet & greets too. The problem with multi-fandom conventions is that I can't find videos; are they going to be prohibited from recording? Or are they more in enjoy-the-moment mode with zero recording, haha Especially in the ones from the last few months, because the photos I've caught are blurry, or the fan was nervous to see him or they were sneaking photos 😉. Let's see if on Sunday there are interesting things! Hopefully, yes!! (I mean obviously they are not going to be obvious obvious).

But yes, I've collected intriguing things this year. (It's not that there weren't any in previous years; it's just that I haven't been able to look at everything, and I'm missing things, damn. There's a lot of material!)

Write to me whenever you want!❤ Whatever it is!

I feel the same way as you! I also feel like I get carried away many times 😬.

But all the points you brought up are good points! It would be part of the patterns of how they plan things. Because there are really many patterns! (from day 0).

Sorry that I'm getting all this tangled, it's just that I'm zzzzzz.

Hugs! Have a good day too!😊

P.S.: Any mistake is due to my zombinism. I have to start writing earlier 😬

PS-PS: Isn't it really curious that basically the only thing we see JP doing is being with G? (And friends) He goes on vacation without his kids, without his parents, siblings, nephews, etc.? Isn't it curious? It makes you think a lot…because it really makes you think he has two lives.

[nathalievonhoffman]

I come here as a fellow tinhat but what gives you the indication that Jared doesn't live in Austin? Everything indicates that him and his kids still live there. He's well established there with other Austin couples.

(I'm a tinhat, but im also a realist/occam's razor, it's just how my brain works. All evidence shows that J2's relationship is different now. They'll always love each other of course, but the romantic side is probably not there anymore)

Again, I come in peace, I love to hear other tinhats perspectives!

Hey!

No, no problem! 🙂

Technically, we don't have solid evidence that he still lives there or not. There are certain "comments" made by JP from time to time that raise doubts he still lives in Austin.

Why does he stay in hotels when he goes there? (2023 or 2024 ACL, when some employees apparently didn't get the tip they wanted) And Cliff and Stands 👀 went out to say (on social media) that he lived there; there was no reason for him to be in a hotel. Why do they always concentrate so much on denying things? (And so much on finding those who question J2?) The fact that they came out to defend him confirms that he was staying in a hotel during the festival.

They have family and friends in Texas, their children have friends there (they go to camps, etc.). That's why, if we see them, it's because they want us to see that they are just in Austin (it's weird that it's always ads for business when photos and videos appear there 👀). They are trying to help the local scene with the power they have, whether in the field of television, writers - book club -, any other type of business, donations, etc., they are trying to help Texas as much as they can and they are trying to spread the word as much as they can. We are not going to stop seeing them do this.

What we see is that they continue the patterns, the synchronization, the bearding, the mearding, the editing of photos/videos, the same cycles,the lies, etc.

I still see romantic attitudes between both of them. But it's what usually happens in marriages (or couples) that have been together for many years; it's not the "same" as when they were young. It's as if they settle into the comfort and peace of being together (and are going to be together forever). It's like they already know it; after going through problems in life, they know that the bond is unbreakable.

Conventions should be taken with a grain of salt, because there are truths mixed with lies and complete lies. They have hinted at this several times, with things like 'show', 'only my wife knows when I lie' (therefore, he lies well to the rest of humanity), 'I speak the truths of others', 'my life partner is the one who keeps the show going', 'I see a show in my living room' etc.

The strange years were those that oscillated with the prequel. But I believe it was a setup (when it happened I thought so, then they convinced me with their words - it lasted a short time - and I really thought there had been bad intentions from third parties mixed with a misunderstanding and now I return with the idea that what happened was not true). Is it because of the prequel that you think they are no longer romantically together? Or for another reason, based on how they are acting? (or rather, how they were acting. Although there have been 'ups and downs' in these last years)

(Theory: in a podcast JP said that when they called each other about the prequel, they first laughed and then cried and didn't know they were going to get to that. Regarding M, the name of his show, something like 'at that moment it seemed like a good idea?' (the name, courtesy of JP) could both things be related to the prequel?)

Mr (both) Private Life (they have said it several times), those years they were telling and exposing all their private life at conventions and on social networks? I don’t think so.

When they say that they are in a place (through a video or photo or whatever), they're really going to tell us that they are there?I don't believe it.

But I understand your point of view! That's exactly what they want to serve us on a platter 😬. It's good to exchange perspectives!

The conventions and what they show us on social media is, for me, what they want us to see, what they want us to hear; they are not going to reveal their private lives (unfortunately).

Cya, colleague!

Ps: Any mistake, my brain is malfunctioning

[nathalievonhoffman]

Subject: Tattoos

This is a somewhat tricky topic (due to individual meaning, etc.), but I will try to give an overview of what I think based on things I have read.

Aside from the fact that we know there are two tattoos that are the same (the crown tattoo and the one mentioned by the tattoo artist), I found it interesting that J2 seems to complement the others. Although they are not identical, they seem to have similar meanings (we also do not know for sure if there are more that match and one is visible while the other is more hidden). We also know that they have tattoos that match certain friends (see: Anson and Genevive—who I will now refer to as Germen, yep, I saw that somewhere, and I liked how it sounds and it describes her perfectly—).

So GENEVIVE = GERMEN

Germen (who was actually born as Jennifer—I think I remember—and for some strange reason, changed her name 👀. I’m not sure if it was because she wanted to have a more 'eccentric' artistic name (right when she was brought to Spn, I don't know why not before? -Suspicious-.Because, double life 😉.But it would be curious if Genevive Padalecki didn’t actually exist 😁. Especially since Jensen passionately explained that Germen 'was also "Married" to Jared').( Or because Jen-nifer was going to be confusing with Jen-sen and that confusion scared them? 👀)

Speaking of last names, how did J2 arrange theirs? (I remember that an old convention they played around with this). Ackles Padalecki? Or Padalecki Ackles? ( Vote, vote! I could do a poll 😁) who no longer 'exists' because of his maiden name? Haha. I think I prefer the order, Ackles Padalecki 🤔. A fun fact is how many times people in the industry (in television, magazines, etc.) have confused their last names with their first names, Epic! And for me, on social media, they either have one together and/or have others separate from their work ones (obviously) I can't imagine that they are completely disconnected from their family and friends on social media…

In short, let's get straight to the point, that was just a preview / bonus. 😎

Subject 1: (minimal relevance, but it should be considered..) Let's start with the beard, Germen. (oh I like this nickname, it's very cool) I never paid much attention to her tattoos, but they say something (I suppose). I only focused on the ones that seem to concern us.

-we already know about the Saturn tattoo, which for me is a Colleagues thing, about bearding. It seems that J2 is getting along better with her, at least minimally, the necessary.

-It seems that at a Convention (one of the purgatory or multifandom ones) in a panel with JP (it was obvious, I didn't have to clarify, haha), one of the questions was whether they had left any SPN milestone in Walker? And Germen said, THEIR TWO STARS (👀) on their wrists..That's how I interpreted it immediately, by how she seems to insinuate something and by Jared's reaction, like, "what are you talking about?" (those who saw it say that the whole panel was strange, it remains on my to-do list, although I don't know how I'm going to do it because I can't stand her). But..does it sound revealing? maybe...Then it seems she continued talking about them, that before SPN, she had two star tattoos and that when she entered SPN, she removed them and when she started Walker, she got them done again. No idea, it seems that's what she said (according to information in a blog). It doesn't make much sense to me everything she said (if the data from the source is correct).

I feel like I'm missing out on gems in the JP panels with G. Because it seems that the woman tends to really mess things up! (It reminded me of other moments at conventions. One of the newer ones, where Germen said that J2 had kids together and JP had to come to the rescue and say something like they had them at the same time, not together haha. Or something about the placenta that JP kept? And Germen got the place wrong.Because she would know, right? She would be the first interested party, I suppose. Conclusion, JP should let Germen talk more, she lets a lot slip out 😏)

Something curious came to my mind.. Since it seems that JP likes to keep things with important meaning, could it be that he keeps the placentas of his babies as a representative form, because they didn't come from his body?🤔 Idk, this happens because I let my mind wander lol.

-Tattoo of a bear. When we know that Jared is afraid of bears. I don’t know to what degree (there are people who are scared of seeing them even in cartoons) I mean, sure, go get one, since your 'husband' can’t stop seeing them, right? 🙄. Even if it’s in a joking way, something permanent stops being.. So In any case, you can get a temporary one… 🙄

Subject 2: I am going to continue with JA, because JP is going to be an essay.

-Crown tattoo. I am going to be honest, I have been thinking for years that only J2 had done it and that JDM was pretending to have done it, so it wouldn't be suspicious. Has anyone seen that crown on JDM? Just curiosity.

-With the two(?) fingers tattoos, I enter into conflict. I know that at one point I looked for information about them (but the photos and data about their supposed meanings got misplaced - I have to start being more organized * sigh* ). One is about "power"; one of its meanings could be this one I found: "The lightning tattoo on the arm is a way to show that, together, they are stronger and can overcome any obstacle." I don't remember what the other tattoo is (I'll pay attention if I see a close-up photo of it), but at that moment, I believe, if I remember correctly, it was related to "taking care of your loved ones"? (I'll leave this section to edit). I remember something about this because I found it curious that at a JA convention with M, it seems that one of the questions was something like whether they had a favorite phrase?. And as always, M stole one from JP( or something like that…I think he criticized him, rather I should say.) and JA went to defend his husband. When it was JA's turn, he said that he had seen something in a car commercial like "Taking care of oneself is also taking care of your loved ones"

-The one with the bird. The most powerful tattoo he has. Years ago he got the bird and the lightning. Now he complemented it with strings and a knot. From what I read (and it was explained brilliantly in a tin hat Blog, but I don’t remember exactly where). As far as I remember, they mentioned that it is a Jaybird (we know that his loved ones have always called JP that, but JA has been saying since then that it's like what they call JJ 👀, distracting cough cough). So for me, that bird represents JP, and possibly the lightning symbolizes his children (of whom I'm increasingly suspecting there are 4, and that they are both the uncles of the twins - I’m going to make a post about my new theories on this later -). Meaning of the jaybird: "The jaybird tattoo is often associated with love and romance. It symbolizes the bond between PARTNERS, representing commitment and the unbreakable connection shared between two individuals. The vibrant colors and playful nature of the jaybird make it a popular choice for couples looking to express their love through tattoo art."

I don't think I have anything to add here. It speaks for itself.

And the knot (I haven't seen it completely clear. I need a clear and close-up photo. I'll be on the lookout in case I find one like that.) But from what I had been researching when I first saw it, it could be a knot of eternal love. (And this addition was in these last few years) As far as I remember, one end of the rope comes out of the jaybird, right? And the other stays suspended? Wouldn't that be a representation that goes straight to JA's heart?

I leave this section on stand by (for precaution).

-Apparently there is another hidden tattoo, one that matches JP (why hide it, right?) according to a fan who saw J2 leaving a tattoo shop and what the tattoo artist told him/her.

-Why a fan has said that he has a tattoo for the twins?, I haven’t seen them.. Was it just because JP hinted at it at a convention? (obviously he would hint at it, cough cough) or was it because they saw them?

Subject 3: JP!

The stars in his hands, which match Germen, apart from the fact that it's nothing special and many people have stars like that, it could be that he liked the meaning of the 'two stars of spn' that Germen let slip from his mouth at a Convention? Moreover, he already had one star, he might have just liked how it looked to have one in each hand.

-2 from Texas (the outline of the state, coinciding with Anson), it seems that many Texans usually do this out of pride for their state. For me, it can be a reminder that he is Texan, Because he no longer lives there.

-The mountain being moved by a person with a rope and that by chance that person is arrowed towards the JEN (which we will talk about in a moment). Curious that instead of horizontal, this vertical, is only a curiosity.(Although…thinking about it more..first it was the JEN - vertical - and then the mountain.It seems intentional…)There was a place that explained this one too (and JP, it seems that in one of his wanderings through social media he confirmed it). The mountains as we know (because he said it) is one of his favorite places (I guess he was talking about the mountains of Colorado? where they used to/usually vacation?), it is where he can be himself, and love and support freely. (his words). I believe that he did it because of the move. A person dragging everything from "Texas" family, animals, things etc to another place (and I suspect that JA may have this one too, in a non-visible place)

-The most obvious of all for me - that complements the jaybird of JA- is that of JEN (which he made - I think he said - in 2021 or 2022? as an excuse to record an episode of Walker, I think the one where his character had to be undercover…). So the JEN replaced it with lines, one for the J, three for the E, two for the N. Not GEN, but JEN, otherwise the first lines would change. There would be 6 lines in total (this is all a theory), but it could be, the first line for JJ (JA had it), the next three lines for Odette, Tom, and Shepard (the three children JP had) and the last two lines of the N could either represent J2? Or the twins? (who could be from Steve? And J2 are like their uncles). But I lean more towards the idea that the lines of the N correspond to J2.

(curious, because in the video 'the 10 essential things that cannot be missing in JA's suitcase', the die that technically 'Zeppeling drew', has the same pattern 👀. According to what he took some time to explain - a good while - JA in the video, corresponds to 3 children, 2 parents, and a dog haha, which he said was named Frank. Out of curiosity, I searched Frank the dog (exactly like he said), and I found Frank, who is Jay's companion 👀 in the movie "Men in Black". Could it be that Frank the dog is being associated with himself? The other option is the deck of cards of his children, 3 from JP, 1 from JA and the twins whose two parents do not match either of the J's (but they are like their uncles).

Just a couple of theories…

This tattoo, after some tinhats or fans noticed it, JP seemed to want to protect it from the sight of others. It's a feeling, because it's not like JP showed much of his arms before the tattoo either. So it could be a coincidence.

I know they don't have many options except for two arms haha, it's not like they have multiple tentacles and just happened to hit the same one, but.. Isn't it curious that the tattoos of the JAYbird and the JEN are on the same arm? And they are on the arm that leads to the hand with the wedding ring? It could be a coincidence.. but.... it could also be that it isn't...idk....

I have to look for the vlogs that contained information about the jaybird, the stars, and the mountain because they were excellently explained.

Cya!

P.S.: I will edit this post if necessary.

[nathalievonhoffman]

When did you start thinking that J2 are a real thing.....I mean, I didn't believe at first (I thought they were joking around, for entertaiming, but when I heard that they started to lie about living togheter and being togheter almost all the time, and that they prupoused in the same weekend, I started to suspect them), but then, I started to see the signs. What were the signs (or the moment) you realised that J2 are.....what they actually are?

Hey!

At first, I went through the same thing as you! I only thought they were best friends and brothers and were married to D and G, and that everyone got along well and blah blah blah. But, I started to notice strange things, like you. Why do they lie? Why do they have to hide everything they do? Why do others have to help them hide? I mean, they do the exact opposite of many of the ships in real life! (e.g., the actor who plays Hannibal and Will in the series, or Pascal with almost all of his co-stars, even to a certain point J2 with M, etc.).

Why JP has always given kisses on the cheek to all the men he knows, except for JA! (⚠) It reminds me of the time JP said he didn't kiss JA in public 😏. And the two simulated kisses from these years?? Let's not forget about that! Including one of them with whispers of 'chicken kiss'. Why do they always lean towards opposite sides, as if they are used to it? (Just like how they sleep, they are synchronized with that too, one on each side, complementing each other - even G joked about that at a convention -)

Sorry, my brain is very restless 😬.

Let's continue.

I started to see a lot of strange things between JP and G. (At first, I didn't see them with D and JA, I suppose it was because they didn't do excessive bearding, and it was easier to control).

Because if they were just best friends/brothers, why were they trying not to be seen? Or did they do damage control if things slipped out that 'shouldn't' have, while others let things slip or did it on purpose? Because if they love working together, why don't they do it more often? (They have basically been hovering around the same genres of shows since forever).

Their lies and those of others, the omissions, the inconsistencies, damage control, what they say without saying it directly, etc. That led me to start investigating tinhats pages (which at that time I didn't know was almost a craze haha) and I felt accompanied because I thought, "ahh I'm not the only one who sees strange things!". I think it was around 2016. I've been watching SPN since 2005. But I only focused on the characters, this would be an exception; I usually don't care about the actors' lives. But I felt like I wanted to know because they make a beautiful couple. I know cases like that, but they are few, and especially of older couples, although I know a few younger couples who have been together for an eternity. They are few, they are special, although it sounds corny, they are like soulmates. They give a little hope in life, to find the same thing haha. (I don't know, I also have the habit that when something interests me, I want to finish putting the puzzle together 😁)

Still, I believe that at that level of marriage, I've never seen anything like it. They come quite close, but what they have seems sublime, from another dimension. Surely that's why they fascinate all of us.

We can't back 100% based on how they act, because they are actors (revelation of the night!), but we can rely on their immediate reactions (there are many that say things). In the J2 panels, it's not that anything is rehearsed, when JA talks about 'show' we could say what they do/say to try to convince us that they are just best friends/brothers. Every so often there is some fan service, but it comes out naturally for them, because there they are themselves. I do think that the real show, especially is in the panels with M. It is evident from here to China that everything they say/do is false. Basically, JA, in those panels to a greater or lesser extent, consumes alcohol, to face them.

(I have a theory too, in the conventions where only JA is present - I don't know if it's always the case, but it has happened several times - his family calls him on the phone, I suspect that JP is on the other side, unable to attend those solitary conventions - for various reasons - it’s a way of encouraging JA, I believe. And to simulate bearding.) In those panels with M, they are always out of character. You can tell, even with all of M's tired, repetitive speech, which besides being a bad actor, is typical of people like him to fall so low. But let's not talk about annoying people who infect our mood.)

Bad,bad me!

So that was what made me turn from a simple and mundane fan who didn't ship anything, to a tinhat.Because if they were just best friends/brothers, we would see them do everything together, they would work together much more often (there are actors who are good friends and are in all projects together), the production company would be public, JA would publicly direct JP,we would see them with their mutual friends, they wouldn't have to be continually editing photos and videos, etc. etc.

Why lie about having always lived together? (JP is just now saying this) why lie that they always had the same trailer? (They have let it slip several times that it was one for both of them), the storage places were mentioned -now- (I think at some point they considered -for me- the new strategy of saying that everything from the SPN era was true, so that now we would believe everything they say. They are just now confirming the suspicions that the tinhats always had). But if they were just better friends/brothers, they would say all this with pride. They would talk about the projects and businesses they are doing together. (I think a few years ago, they even had their own green room at conventions -from a video of Rich and Rob-). We are just now learning that the brewery was theirs (but legitimately JA was the one in charge of the business because JP was the one on the bar's title and it seems contradictory -his words-)

Only now are they saying things we suspected before, but for me, it's a new strategy. It may be that only now they are working together again (in the public eye), because they have Kripke(and M) backing them up; in other cases, how could they have justified it? The synchronization they have is spectacular haha, every day I find new ones. But I see this more as two people who are always together, talking all the time, therefore living together. I don't think it's possible to reach that level of synchronization; maybe to a certain extent if they were just best friends/brothers.

Well, I know there are tinhats that have been around since prehistoric times haha, but thanks to all of them, they have helped right at the most important times. (In that era, it was much more intense, and there was a lot more suspicious material, almost handed to us on a silver platter. There was a lot of speculation, not just from fans, but also from outside the fandom. This is what tinhats said regarding J2 at the beginning; they were young, new in a serious and intense relationship that could be described as if death would separate them (or if it continues after that), and they surely made more mistakes because of it, or they weren't that committed to lying). I've also seen how they treat each other, how they look at each other, compared to the rest of the world around them. It's not a formula that they repeat. JA said recently (at some convention) that anyone who sees them together, no matter the context they are in, can see the true love they have for each other.

I know that part of conventions is to entertain, a bit of fan service (although in the post-SPN era this has decreased exponentially. Isn't that strange?), but come on, who would wipe another's nose with their own shirt even if they are best friends/brothers? Who would wipe their mouth? (one live and direct and another that they talked about), who would lick a straw from a glass and the other would drink as if nothing happened? Who would get close (multiple times) to the other person's personal space and even overlap it? That is the best word to describe them! They overlap their personal spaces haha. Who wears the same underwear as the other? (they said it! yes, this could be a trap, but it was in a panel with M, and he was bragging about wearing the clothes that JA threw at him, both J's. JA reacted and knew he could get away with it by stating that. It could be..) Who wipes the tears of another? All of this sounds more like romantic gestures to me. I must be missing several!

Why if someone hints that G is not his type, J2 are left paralyzed? (And there are several examples of this kind, who have suggested to JP that he basically never liked women or was ever with one. It seems that his colleagues, even JA, joke with him about this) Because if they hint that they can't live without each other, they ban someone from the conventions for saying it? The same if someone said to ask JP how he kisses JA? And banned! Why do colleagues have to control what they say when talking about J2?

I could go on until the year 2300, but I think the idea is pretty clear 😉

Ps: I am going to add important things that I remembered now.

-The touches (caresses) that over the years they have tried to go unnoticed.

-the almost imperceptible endearments:

* "babe" from JP to JA in the mud games competition.

* The "babyboy" from a meet & greet.

* The recurring "honey" from JA.

* The "Daddy" from JP that I am sure is always directed at JA. We know that sometimes yes, but for me, it is always!

And there is an immense list of affectionate nicknames that they say to each other. But I wanted to highlight the ones we barely catch.

Two important moments come to mind that have confirmed my tin hat-ism:

At JIB (2015 or 2016?), after what happened with JP.Everyone was on stage, including G,and -as always- JA was upset with G; this occasion was the one that went the furthest.He told that she,G (and he said it in quotes) "was also married" and to top off the awesome moment,JP gave a satisfied little smile. So, he is "also married", which can imply that in reality JP didn't end up marrying the beard… plus the "also" 👀 ( I think I'm getting close to what he said? )

Now, regarding what happened for JP to reach the point he did that year, the instant depression that led him to what almost happened, it has changed versions over the years.

This part is a bit cumbersome, so I only leave ideas that I have read separately.

At first, it was said that it was because G didn't let him see his children (it was said, that

the fight that JA or JP had with G at a some convention-and that JDM went out to defend them-was also because of that). That he was in the middle of the convention and felt he had to leave, -with 'G' -while D was waiting for him at the airport in the US, while (of course 🙄) JA was still on tour (I didn't know they did that 🤔) of conventions, going to Australia right after Italy (I don't believe it!). This is all that was being talked about at that time, I don't know what's true and what's not. But years later, in 2021 or 2022, they changed the story. G said (basically uninterested in the subject, idiot) that she was naked when everything happened and that she ran down the hall like that. These are some of the versions I know, I don't know if there were more. But the important thing here is that what they said is a lie. Why? The recurring theme here is to prove that JA was not with JP. (God!). Let me clarify, for me they wanted to hide that he did not return to JP when everything happened.But maybe I'm missing things....

Another thing, why do both G and JP always have to imply things that couples do haha. Like, they don't have to say it, it sounds suspicious that they do. She was running around naked, they took a photo or video (I wouldn't watch it for anything) pretending to shower together, they took a picture of both of them in the same bed 'naked', and whenever they can, they give information about it, even at conventions. I mean… more obvious, impossible!

Another matter. It is noted (and understood) that both J's have problems with the beards paired with each other. The one we clearly see and often is JA with G (the last time JP gave G a peck on the lips, and immediately JA wanted one too and that's when they both said 'chicken kiss', for example). It is noted that at the conventions where G and JA are present, he hates that she can do what he cannot and he always has a strange, bad mood. But there is something that I found curious. When D is present at the conventions, JP is not there. (I don't remember any occasion when they coincided). It may be that JP is more affected by it.

It’s obvious, who wouldn't mind this situation?

And another key moment that I remember. The story of the hotel (one of many, because there is a long history) when JP told the ghosts that he was on a date and to leave him alone, and JA, without thinking, said he would make fun of him, but that was the only time it happened to him too (and he was cut off and petrified and started stuttering, and after a while, he changed the story at home, I believe) (Besides the story of wanting to take a nap in a hotel for 2 hours and joking about the makeup. And one of the last ACLs, where JP was seen in a hotel, why? And I think at the ACL of 2023, there were pictures of both, but they disappeared into a black hole, like many things regarding them. Cliff (I suppose) posted a picture with JA in a van, and it seems a fan wrote to him, "if they weren't just going around the block" to throw people off that he wasn't going to the ACL with JP, but I don't remember how everything continued 😬. In summary,JA was in Austin too, and went to the ACL with JP.

Why they go to the ACL or to concerts etc. (some of the events where we have pictures of both simultaneously) and they pretend they are not together? each with their group of friends or beard?

Good question by the way! Cheers!

[nathalievonhoffman]

What’s the most recent indication — or even a small piece of evidence — that J2 are togheter?

Hey! Let's see… Although the smoke and mirrors have been denser than ever lately and it's even harder to find solid-solid-1000%solid evidence, I'm going to list what I consider to be proof that they are still together romantically:

(When I have more time, because studying is killing me, I will investigate better and in a more organized way)

-They are still using their three classic third wheels (Genevive, Misha, and Cliff, each in their particular work field) and from what I see, Anson has been added (to be honest, when I didn’t know who he was, I confused him with Jensen several times). The bearding with G is very intense, excessive I believe sometimes, and the mearding (I’ve seen that they call it that 🤷🏻‍♀️, which corresponds to Misha, Cliff, and Anson) also. I think Anson does it because he seems like a good friend of Jared, he probably does it as a buddy, unlike the other three. With JA being without a beard, basically, because they must have had a big fight or have been fighting a lot, I think he is leaning towards increasing the mearding, the interviews (which he is using in part -besides promoting his work, obviously- as indirect bearding) and JP helping him with intense bearding.

Now I came up with another theory. Maybe during the time that JA was without a beard, they had to increase the separate narratives because of that?🤔 Now because they found another strategy…

The patterns in their planning never stopped.

-the synchronization in what they say they do, whether it be leisure activities, interests, work, attitudes, etc. (This could perfectly happen with best friends too, but it is very common when you are with someone almost all the time). Because in their case, it is much more intense! Even their synchronization in their body, in their words, etc. This obviously happens if you live with someone. (Whatever the bond may be) They often share the same style as well.

Curiosities (that could be coincidences) *a few years ago, JA (I think I remember) said that in addition to the mountains and Italy - JP's favorite places - Portugal was also one of them.

*I suspect that the video of RC, where JA is in the snow, was recorded by JP. (JA had already said that JP could do it, but didn't "usually" do it, in one case years ago he gave him credit, but in this case he gave it to Steve,pff, I don't believe it Rick.)

At one of the conventions in England or Scotland (I think from last year), JP was seen (then photos appeared of him with Cliff and G) a week before a convention that JA was the only one going to attend.

-Obviously, no one can keep track of what they say at different times. (if you are lying) So there have been mistakes in what they say. For example: When JP had the traffic accident (I don't remember well if it was Thanksgiving Day in 2022 or Easter in 2023?), JA when he told what had happened to him in two different panels at the same convention, said two different things regarding his locations when that event occurred. Plus,he said that he had seen the condition of the car…

In the past JIB, J2 hinted (if I understood correctly) that M had gone with them, and was going to return to Canada with them (we know that the latter is a lie, there are photos from the airport where only J2 was). And now that Iremember...he also didn't go with them to Italy, because if I remember correctly, M said he had finished filming the previous week. (Maybe I'm remembering wrong?). But at least there was already a lie there, and that says a lot…

The joke that JA made to JP on April Fool's, as he told it, I didn't understand (but since English is not my first language, maybe I really didn't get it). For me, JA meant that the joke was about trying to wake JP up at 6:00 (?) AM to tell him that he had to go to work, when that week they were not going to work. But as always, he included M in that story. Obviously to divert attention that they were both alone in the same room. (JP said in a podcast from these years, that he didn't use an alarm, that his alarms were his family 👀 and that he didn't respond to messages and calls immediately, he did it when he felt like doing it. JA knowing this… seems like a trap haha). Look at the JIB from this year, the panel just for JA. When JP appeared in it, I loved it, because JA basically repeated to him the whole version of what he had told his fans, so there was no room for error for JP.

-Photos and videos are a whole world of study, I believe. There is also a pattern of behavior in them.

-Both continue to act in real life (subtle words from J2). And at the conventions, they put on a show (words from JA). The white lies continue, the omissions continue, they continue to hide things when it comes to things that involve both of them.

-In these latest interviews , JA leaves important details about his wife. Remember to translate 'wife' as JP.

*'the tallest Tentpole' (I would say it was a fun way to refer to JP, the tallest and slender one)

'my incredible life partner, who keeps the show going' (with all the organization, bearding, etc,that JP does) Didn’t JA say that in HIS living room see a thing - at the last JIB, in a panel with M - that was worthy of winning many Emmys? - he said it comparing it to the pathetic performance of Castiel's 'declaration of love' (yuck, double yuck). Curious.. Because just JP and G have appeared a lot in a LIVING ROOM 😉 his living room.

He always says something about JP, always, even if the message is 'hidden', in wife code (mind you, he occasionally refers to D, obviously, but not with compliments and you can tell when he refers to her). *In another of the latest interviews, JA said that he always jokes (they do it a lot, we know) with his wife something like he was no longer the youngest talent leader.They told this to JP when he was only 21 years old and was already the lead actor of SPN.

-Yesterday I read important evidence discovered by a fan. She said she saw at two conventions, one in 2022, that JA said he was a fan of H Styles' music, and in 2024, that JP said his wife was a fan of him. Around the same time (if I'm not mistaken around 2022), photos of JP were posted at a H Styles concert! (it's magical). And in 2024, he didn't talk about whether he liked his music, but his wife (who is into the music too 👀), I mean, he accompanied his husband JA 😏.

Bonus:The most memorable (of several, since we know JP is a fan of them) Pearl Jam concert (they mentioned it recently), where JA was with JP (confirmed, now it sounds to me like they told this story again? Or was it at another concert? Or was it something else that happened at another PJ concert?).A few years ago, JP said it had been a date, and that it was the first time he went to see them. (He also said, if I understood correctly, that he had a box or something where he kept all those romantic memories.) But I'm not sure if they are referring to the same concert or not…

-All the juggling that they have continued to do all these years, regarding vacations (especially on special dates)

--The different work sets of both. Except with TB and now CD (but actually, this doesn't count because JP wasn't acting at that time). As far as I know, the others coincided in the area and times. Walker's independence with Big Sky, Tracker with Fire Country.

JA said at a Convention (I think it was this year) something about playgrounds..(I have to check again, because when I heard it, it seemed important)

*JA telling him in a meet & greet "baby boy" (softly). *JA a few years ago said that JP completed him and then immediately reacted strangely, as if he was scolding himself for saying it. (Later, they didn’t let JA be alone at the panels-according to Rich -because things would slip out from JA). *Making banter, because JP said that they weren’t always sleeping in the same bed and JA saying only sometimes not (the question was about Sam and Dean, but many times they divert it to them.It makes no sense from the perspective of its characters..)It must have been either when JA was filming TB or CD. JA saying that once when he got home, he went to sleep with his daughter. I interpret it as JP (at least back then) had terrible insomnia (from what he said, that he had to go out for a walk to tire himself out) (it could be that he was nervous because JA was in another place, far away, working and arriving late for example) (the reason why they moved, to be close to the center of the (scarce) work (available) and to keep his family near).

-In recent years, there was a response about being soulmates that fit J2 (for me they answered from their point of view, it didn't make sense from Sam and Dean - there was another occasion where they answered from the perspective of their characters -)

Saying that in the beginning they suspected it, but now it was a fact that they were soulmates. (I think JA said that). There are many other examples of these over the past few years.

-In these last years, I have seen (again) clothing items that have matched. (and not the typical T-shirt or solid color jeans, but items I could say are "special"). I even go a step further, but I suspect that when JA has said he bought clothes for JP, it's so we don't look too closely. (translation, it is an item they already had in their closet and possibly has seen JA wear it at some point), because otherwise, why insist on that? To yell a the fans that JA buys (too) things for JP, to show them -that even if he can't express it openly- he matters a lot to him? It could also be.

I still find it funny that even today, they include M even in the clothing issue. (There are many examples of these last few years, including this one.)

Even JP has had his own 'uniform' (as far as I remember, it has been quite strict in the conventions that he has with JA; now it seems to be loosening up in the ones where he is alone). For me, it is an anti-error strategy.

-A few years ago (2022 or 2023), G posted a photo of something that had to be assembled and in the photo, it showed everything disassembled, saying that 'JP tossed the manuals.' But years ago, at an old convention, JA said that he was the one who threw the manuals and that JP read them. (which makes total sense, considering JP's personality) (this was regarding a toy car that they had to assemble for one of his daughters for her birthday)

-The military and weapons seem to be something more recurrent in JA. (There are even photos of him at a shooting range when he was younger, and it seems that with the rust issue, he revealed that he has a couple of illegal weapons in his possession. He said it at a convention). How many times has he talked about how he would have liked to be a soldier? He watches videos of them when they arrive at their homes, and many times he feels what they feel, with his own work. One of JA's birthday gifts was JP, taking him on a tour of a military aviation (there are photos of both of them). Whenever he can, he embodies one in a play or show. When JP went to Poland to be with soldiers, who do you think went with him? And it was probably his idea. Cliff wasn't there, nor G in sight (at least in the photos I saw). I would say that the military fanatic is someone whose name starts with J and ends with ENSEN.

starts to whistle *

-A fan saw J2 leave a tattoo parlor together, and the tattoo artist told him/her that he was giving them the same tattoo, but in different places (JP's being more visible than JA's) and that he had already finished JP's, but JA's was still pending. (My suspicion is that since JP's is visible and the most complex one seems to be the mountain,( so… mountain, his favorite place, where he can be himself and love and support the one he truly loves. Words from him! -This was very strange to say! And important!-) ,I think it could be this one. And the time J2 was with JDM, yes, JP was also there (someone kind of confirmed it to me) (look at the photos too, interesting ones)

Why continue hiding it, right? As always, why do they hide everything? (Basically, they must tell us about 0.1% of all the things they do) There are photos with friends, but what they do together, there is no evidence (at least at first glance).

I, like other tinhats, have seen this other pattern. Just substitute when J2 says 'wives' for the corresponding J, and you'll see that everything makes more sense. (And it's a fun game haha) (I think that when they really talk about the beards, they call them by their name. Except for Gen and Jen, I think there he also talks about JA, I have to check if it's always like that.)

Sorry that it took me so long, I can't help it! 😁 Over and out!

[nathalievonhoffman]

Heyyy (I am the one who said about JP and his vacation in Portugal)😊

Yeah, that was really helpful❤️ thank youu

But I have a question: Jensen isn't in America? I mean, he took an interview (with 10 things I can't live without). So, how he was with Jared?

Just asking.....

P..S: you're such a detective😁😆 thank you for sharing your information with us

Hellooo, long time no see! 😊

And that's the idea!😉 It's their modus operandi, since forever!😏

One is on one side, the other on another, and in general as far apart as they can be.

From what I see, the GQ video was uploaded on Friday? JP was only there for a little while that day at the fan Expo in Boston.. NY and Boston are a short way apart, right? (It's just an example, I don't think it was like that in this case. The lack of tanning (unless they used a very intense light, I don't know if it would work?) of JA in the interview doesn't fit, and since it wasn't live, it could have been recorded at any time (I messed up with the timing, I don't know how long the editing takes). It's like the promotional photo of VR, there he is tanned 😉)

Maybe it was the tracker thing, with Portugal?,JA with that video he was saying that he was in Canada all week filming the series, but he was in Portugal? (The summer party on the island where everyone dresses in white is on the first weekend of August, from what I read...)

And I'm a zombie, later I'll edit again if not 😬

Yesterday I saw the photos and videos from Portugal! Interesting! 😏 They're complicating the plot for me. haha. But I have seen curious things in there and from what I saw, some other fan too.

You're welcome! At your service!

insert soldier emoticon saluting *

Detective * insert touched emoticon *

(I don't have interesting emoticons on this device djdjdjdjdjdjdjxjxhdjdj)

❤

P.S.: UPDATE: Truth is, I don’t believe the events happened that way, but it’s an example of what they do. They say they are in one place where they are not .It's hard to say, but something with that combination of events happened on that occasion, I believe.

In some cases, especially when they are in accessible locations. I don’t think they say where they are, so that someone goes there like a stalker? Hehe. Nope.

Other times I think old photos and videos resurface but in new ways, like drop by drop.

As I said, I believe they plan everything from start to finish, to mislead and not make mistakes.

[nathalievonhoffman]

In this episode, he was extra beautiful!!

[nathalievonhoffman]

Have you seen the photos with Jared in Portugal? So, these year, Jared and Gen have been in Portugal....and is a bit weird, because they posted photos where are togheter!! (As I observed, they used to post only photos with themself, but here we can see them in the same photo)

What's your opinion about this?

Hello! ^^

Let's see… I know that many photos are photoshopped (some even show the errors, bad cuts or disproportionate body parts or even different proportions between G and JP, etc)

But I also think that J2 and Genevive are getting along better (as well as they can, like at the beginning of all this bearding, I suppose). A couple of times Genevive has hinted that their best relationship is the work one. If they focus only on the professional, I think they can handle it "well".

What I think is that Genevive is just another one of the many third wheels they need to cushion J2's presence. If she is there, J2 is definitely together. They need her so that it doesn't look suspicious. (There are many past photos of J2 with G. There are even photos from when J2 was organizing one of their children's birthdays, and at first, it suggested that it was just G and JP, but soon there were photos of J2 together). One of the many times they were in Italy, a fan said they saw J2 with G and their kids, and soon after G disappeared (there are photos too, but the mystery is who is behind the camera 😏)(I found one of the photos strange, where the middle child had a visor cap (which was clearly too big for him, and JP usually doesn’t wear those… but JA does).

For years, there have been real photos like this and many others are photoshopped. Many times G appears, makes an appearance (in photos and videos) and then disappears or they make her disappear haha. Then they need her again, she appears and then she takes the plane or not… strolls around there (or with her real partner, it can also be, I don't discount that it could be a 'female friend'). Fans have noted these patterns.

I also noticed that in the photos from Spain (or are they from Portugal?), JP has two different attitudes; in some he looks sad and in others he looks super happy. It could be that after the CD premiere, JA went straight to JP, and that's where the change in mood comes from.

It's clear that if it were just about JP, it wouldn't have anything to do with G.

JP is doing it for JA, for me. Since D is out of the game. The three of them reached a middle ground, I think.

And it would look suspicious that both G (an influencer, therefore exposes everything -even if it's all staged-) and D, would stop bearding at the same time. So unfortunately, JP has to continue the show for both of them and especially now, for JA.

I hope it is useful to you 🙃

[nathalievonhoffman]

Why do I think that all the uncontrolled issues from the TW prequel were a small misunderstanding or a setup?

JP knew about TW (and I'm sure of this, the other option is absurd) here for me the little misunderstanding… someone who controls JA's social media (including Daneel at that time) could have posted the article with the news that they had either given the green light to the project or directly that they had jumped the gun in announcing it. So JP could have been left puzzled. I still find it very strange the message that JP wrote to the writer or director who was from SPN and would be in charge of this show.

-an anonymous person, if this is taken with a grain of salt, but right after the tweets, and with quite a bit of confidence, wrote a post in a blog here (I saved it so I’m going to pass it on), that had some curious things. Saying that J2 were fine, that it’s almost always banter, and if they argue, it’s over very serious things, like their children, but in general it’s banter, that many times in Hollywood, the fights are staged and as a closing note, that we tinhats seem curious to them. (I don’t think I remember it wrong, but I will look for it, because I read it years ago). I only bring this up at this point, because I found it curious, nothing more.

-Rumors that JP and JA were seen together, that he accompanied him to try on the suit for TB, and that someone saw JP running and dodging cameras on the red carpet at the premiere.

facts like JA saying that his wife had made him a kind of challenge to bring home many muscles. Who has an obsession and admiration for muscular men (and all those photos in the TB era, where JA was flexing his arm muscles?👀 at least the one at the airport, we know JP was there. So that’s what JA generally does when JP is with him. The one at the Harry Potter Museum, I think it was in that museum. JP surely took it) drum roll JP!!!!!!🙄 (One of JP's videos, with his doggies, and as a response, JA sent a picture flexing muscles. And I'm not the one who saw that detail, it was another fan. How many times has JA said that JP liked muscular men? A lot of times! Here’s another fact as a fan, recognizing J2 at the TB party in Texas (in Texas 👀), and in the video we see how JP notices it and sneaks away, and JA trying to catch up with him so he wouldn't leave 👀. Pff why would he sneak away? Clearly, it was a spontaneous reaction.

-Why would JP take so many breaks in Walker, to the point that they fell very behind? (My suspicion was that he was accompanying JA to the TB set).

-Something that I found curious too. When they were asked (technically last year, I suppose at Comic Con or in some interview) the cast of TB, if they knew JP, the men seemed to deny it and some of the women said they knew him from Gilmore Girls. The fact that they did that seemed suspicious to me. Why? Because I don’t believe you that JA hasn’t talked about him (I imagine non-stop, like what he does at conventions in panels where JP isn’t present) at all, and I also don’t believe that at least Kripke hasn’t! It’s suspicious to me. I think they did that to avoid insinuating that JP had been there several times, accompanying JA. And the 'don’t have too much fun without me' or something like that that JP wrote under a photo of JA on set? Yes, it could have been for JA and Kripke or for others from the cast, for example Urban or others.

-JA hinting at a convention that JP had to see TB, and JP, whispering in an 'ironic' manner something like 'Again.' (I love seeing JP do that; it's a trait of his that he doesn't often show to the public.) You can tell he says it 'annoyed' but jokingly. I can't remember the exact word! I don't recall it very well, but the exchange between the two was funny, and JP's comment almost went unnoticed.

As often happens, during that time, vacations and special dates were seen together. The military airport, for example, wasn't it on JA's birthday? And therefore, around all those tweets from the prequel?( idk😬)

On the side, there is another small but significant detail; the minions (as always) exaggerated this whole matter and generated a snowball of hatred. They are quite guilty.

What am I getting at with all this? That before, during, and after the virtual chaos of the TW prequel, they kept doing things together as if nothing had happened. For this reason, I also lean towards the idea that it could have just been a setup. For what? For me, it seems to reinforce the separate narratives. It could also have been damage control.

Flash post curiosities about spn:

- JP wanted to retire after spn (he mentioned it at some convention in 2019? or was it earlier?) and he also mentioned it in a podcast with his friend Rosembaud (in 2022). He also said that JA was going to be Walker and he was going to be the EP). It was a plan from both of them! (I should underline that a thousand times). Both (let's continue the underlining) wanted to end spn. From what we know now, thanks to JP, the spn set was not Disney, not even close, plus the time it consumed for them. They wanted to create a more relaxed and fun set. And that’s why the Disney designation in Walker. Both of them! But the pandemic hit, and from what we know as well - because JP said it - he was depressed for some time after the final episode of spn. So I think that’s when the pancake flipped. It's better for JP to stay distracted acting and not be passive on the show. And clearly, JA could not act with JP. Because that would theoretically look suspicious.

Also, we have an interview with JP about Walker in a magazine, in which he says that his 'wife' would stay in the trailer playing Nintendo… (of course 🙄), I can totally imagine JA doing that btw. When J2 were filming SPN, we have seen photos and know that J2 had handheld consoles. Again, I like that attitude of JP, 'ironic' but joking, saying that when he came back from filming he didn't like that his life partner had advanced in the game. (All of this is in an interview, let me look it up). And to top it off, someone on the Walker set, when asked what it was like to work with JA, said something like he was always around. (I don't know if this was a rumor or if someone really said it). And JP saying that during the pandemic, his whole family was with him on set.

So JP was walker and JA, for me, was director of more episodes than they make us believe, and J2 EP. (This way they could "control" everything, times etc. They were the bosses).

But obviously JA missed acting. And from what he himself has recounted, he had been rejected in several auditions (I suppose he must have looked for opportunities near his home as well). Recently, at a convention, he said that a few years ago he had faced a crisis. He said something like he was thinking of changing careers and something about his family, which I don't remember. Later, he called Kripke, who helped him audition (gave him tips for it) for SB. I think that (let's be realistic, because many fans glamorize everything) when JA arrived on the TB set, I don't think he had a great time at first. Except for Kripke and a few others who came from the SPN set, and apparently Urban, I don't think the others took kindly to his addition. Over time, things changed. But I don't think it was all rosy at the beginning. And on top of that, the situation worsened with the presence of a pandemic.

So he had to go (stay? or go and come back?-Private jet?) to another country. Obviously, he must have missed his family, dogs, life, etc. To top it all off, there was a pandemic and he was on an uncomfortable set.

I think JP was accompanying him, but there were responsibilities in Texas that he had to handle 'alone' at that time. He was in charge of taking care of the fort, when before TB, it was JA. All that discussion and all those photos that JA posted alone and depressed could have been staged, I think it's an option. If 'they were no longer talking,' no one would look twice if they saw JP with him.

Another curious fact, apparently during the recording of TB, JA was staying at Kripke's house… in one of the videos he recorded in his room, he showed a drawing of Batman (I guess he must have implied that JJ made it for him). But there is something cool about artists, they each have their own style (in general). And I found the style familiar. JP in one of the episodes (maybe season 2 or 3 of spn) sketched a man (and we have seen in videos (gag reels, etc.) that he was seriously drawing on set). I compared them and they seem like the same type of drawing, and in graphite. Something else I found curious was from the 'GQ of the 10 essential items that JA cannot live without when traveling', the drawings, in graphite. It's just a guess, children in general like to draw with colors, crayons, markers, etc., with color. Just a graphite pencil, I found it a strange choice (I guess, if you have nothing on hand, drawn with a graphite pencil? being kids I say it's strange to me).

Interesting fact: J2 likes chess (there was a photo taken by Cliff and at JP's last birthday, there was also a chess set in one of the photos). But also, in every set they are in, there is always a chess set?! (I saw it in TB, I saw it in CD at least). A lot of coincidences, but yeah. Just a curious detail. The one in TB is more interesting(?), it was a video where JA approached a table with a chess set, and on one side was Urban, and on the other side only the arm of the person playing was shown 👀.

It's not that it was a photo and that person didn't fit in the frame. It's also not that several videos on the set didn't include crew members as well. Could it be someone who couldn't show themselves? It just seemed strange to me.

Photos and videos are a whole world for J2.

They were used to being glued to each other's hips for 15 to 17 years straight, 24/7; they were co-dependent and still are (to much lesser degree than before) (for me, that's not bad if both are comfortable that way). It's important to consider that their routine changed a couple of times, there was a pandemic, they had problems (even if they were minor) like everyone else, and JP is vulnerable at certain moments and they have to constantly look over their shoulders etceteda etceteda etceteda.

🖖🏻

[nathalievonhoffman]

Why do J2 have to hide their relationship?

These question, i think it sounds stupid, but sometimes, I keep wondering that: why these two have to hide so much?

I mean, I have to be honest that I don't actually know how was the homosexual relationships at that time (2005), but these all story became to big and complicated: I mean, they have wifes and children, and separate narratives (like, they say they live in different states, and they have different activities).

I know they have a reputation...but I think everyone (or almost everyone) would be really happy if they would see J2 togheter. And I think everyone would understand them.

Also, The spn PR have the right to have so much control over the actors life? I heard some things that the beards were PR idea, and that their twitter or social accountd are actually controled by some guys....I mean, these is soo freaking up (I wouldn't do that ever).

So, what eould be the reason (or the reasons) that J2 are secretly togheter, and not openly togheter?

Hey! Sorry for the delay 😬

Nop,not a stupid question, it's curious! 😊

And maybe for me one of the reasons JP wanted to leave SPN several times and retire from acting after finishing SPN is because I don't think he would want to deal with more bearding. And it would be easier to handle everything with one of the J's behind the scenes, I suppose.

It's the idea of keeping the narratives separate (all couples in acting and music who don’t come out of the closet do this, I’ve read about that pattern). The thing about the beards,besides their own work of pretending, (technically Genevive is the official one, she was 'prepared' for that) was because J2 wanted to have children and the beards remain co-parents with J2. So it works for them. The kids have a maternal figure and can pretend there are a mother and two fathers. (That's what comes to my mind). The fact that they live in separate states is what they want us to believe. Remember that in Texas, if you see them, it’s because they would go to visit their family and friends.

It seems that they have a whole mechanism to uphold those separate narratives (Obviously bearding, 'separate' jobs, in nearby locations, friends, family, and acquaintances who help them cover up, regarding the fans, I suppose they must be rejecting photos or asking them not to post them or sneaking away -A fan was saying this same thing recently- , reiterating lies (truths mixed with lies, to be more precise)etc.)

It seems that way, there is such control over the actors, that’s what I’ve read. But I don’t know much about this world either 😬. As I said, for me Genevive was the official beard (how many times J2 joked, directly or indirectly, that she had been 'bought' haha), Daneel (like Sandra) to me was doing J2 a favor because they were his friends. At least at the beginning with Daneel, then it became pure work (it seems she was going bankrupt around that time). Sandra, for me, was a good friend of JP (from what it seems, she got along well with his sister and mother too. Unlike Genevive.)

Yeap, their social media in general is managed by others (before, they also managed the beards, but I don't think they have permission anymore) for example Charlie (JP's friend)

Cliff used to have several roles, and he had been hired as Genevive (and there must be others as well) by the show's managers or the network, no idea. It is what has been talked about forever.

But getting to the exactly point,for me, there are several factors for them to hide their relationship :

a) The main one: to maintain their life,private. In the era of spn, they had an excuse for us to see them together, now it would seem suspicious(?).

Post spn, they were trying to show that their lives were almost completely unanchored (and it corresponded to the time when they 'weren't working together'), now the tune has changed, they resumed working together (in plain sight for everyone) and now they've gone back to what we knew in the spn stage (not as intense as in that time, because it would be looking suspicious…), but even though they are not seen (And both of their social media accounts are just for work, both of them, yep 😏 ) they talk about it. (especially in meet & greets, a place where no one has evidence to prove it, just word of mouth) In the era of spn, there were periods when they were seen (people saw them, they were more active on their social media) attached to each other's hips and in other periods they tried to show the opposite (Maybe this was damage control) This behavior is cyclical. Post spn, they are repeating it. And they will keep repeating it.

In order not to be discovered, they have to create separate narratives (even though it may seem obvious in a way, it is so.)

And they are not the only ones from what I've read; there are several couples who believe they are still in the closet, who do exactly the same and even worse, because at least J2 from the method they use, appears more credible.

b) They are pretending to be married to women and living as a family with them, for 15 years!!!! Imagine the impact it would have if it were known. And I’m not saying that many of us wouldn’t be happy for them, because we would be !but a few wouldn’t, unfortunately. There was a rumor a few years ago that a fan had found out, that she had seen it with her own eyes, and it seems she was spreading hate because they had lied to their fans. But it's just a rumor. And probably if it were real, it would have been a heller. Imagine how the minions would react. It shouldn't really matter, and there are few, but there are a few that can be dangerous for me. Come on, they've had many threats over the years, especially JP,Just knowing that they were (are) best friends!

Besides, I insist, for me, they are not in the closet/closet; their family, friends, and some colleagues know. Just in a meet & greet, JA said that he and JP maintained a non-homophobic circle around them.

And I'm just taking a representative sample, imagine outside the fandom.

I don't know what happened with Stephen Amell , I thought he already knew, but in the Zoom (he did during the pandemic) he said something about "two gay men from Texas who were married to each other and had children "( And I think he had a picture of J2 behind him) I don’t know what that was, I didn’t understand why he said it. Was he angry with them? Did he not know all those years? Is he homophobic? I didn’t understand, but this could be an example of a reaction that someone they know might have.

And for last,maybe their credibility would go down the drain (Although many of us would understand it, they do it to survive and be at peace.)

c) Work

d) A couple of their children are entering the most complicated stage: adolescence, where bullying is at its peak. So bullying must be another factor for me.

But without their relationship coming to light, they managed to "soften this detail".I believe that here they must have managed in a way, two dads and one mom, so it might have gone unnoticed. Although now, I think that must have changed, to two dads (and the mother they see occasionally,in Texas?👀and the other idk,Coneccticut?). Earlier, because they all lived in the same state.

I'll admit it, many times I think I'm overthinking things (it's my nature 😁). But I try to base myself on what I read and see. I believe (and we have heard and seen this song several times) that JP is the analytical one and JA is very symbolic. Combined, abracadabra! hehe

The majority of us would like to see them together-together, as the married couple that they are, we would love it! But that would unfortunately bring some consequences, idk.

As I had read once, J2 would be a powerful couple in Hollywood!😏

I hope it was fruitful! 😊