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I think so many people have an issue with Cinta's death not because she's a lesbian who died but because every single step of the way there felt so contrived and poorly written.

(a) First she gets a scene in which she's open and vulnerable with her feelings in a way we've never seen her be before (and that at times almost feels contradictory to how she was in S1), with no explanation or clarification of why and how she got to that point.

Syril, for example, gets to have big jumps in his character development because his is a straight path from A to B - you can deduce pretty much everything that happened in between from his state in the previous episode we saw him in and then the state he's in during the current episode. Cinta is not like that - we don't know enough to understand what happened to her, or why she changed, and now she's dead so we never will. So the big emotional scene feels like a way to make her death sadder instead of meaningful character development. Which feels cheap.

(b) The circumstances of her death also feel kind of contrived and rushed - there isn't a shootout or a big dangerous moment, there's one shot being fired and it randomly hits her, out of dozens of other people there, from a great distance. And then she's dead on the spot. She wasn't even killed by the Imps, she was killed by a random glitch in the plan. Brasso's death landed better because that WAS a big dangerous action scene with tension building up over a long period of time, so you can buy it that he died. Even Bix's rape feels more like a natural corollary of the Empire being the Empire - some of these authoritarian fascist fucks will obviously try to take advantage of their position to sexually assault people - Cinta's death just has too many stochastic elements to make it land naturally, especially when combined with point (a) that heightens the cheap one-two of giving a character an emotional scene and then killing them off ten minutes later.

(c) The denouement of the episode focuses more on the Gorman guy and his responsibility for Cinta's death and his feelings about all that than it does on Vel. In fact, it seems like Cinta's death is part of a larger point the writers are trying to make about inexperience and disorganization and refusal to follow orders in rebel groups - except this point would have worked way better, imho, if it was one of the guy's own friends who died. The fact that it's Cinta specifically feels like the least punchy choice if it's the guy or the rebels' incompetence leading to unnecessary deaths that we want to focus on (and so far we've only focused on that - perhaps this'll change in the following episodes and Vel will get more character development, but we don't know that from our current vantage point). Trying to do a two-in-one deal where we make this point and ALSO further Vel's character arc just lands wrong and makes everything underwhelming and unsatisfying.

People are really taking issue with the way everything that happens around her death feels contrived and fabricated to generate pathos and artificial drama, because not only does it make for mid storytelling, it's also what reminds them of the "bury your gays"/fridge the love interest plotlines, where the deaths feel similarly cheap and contrived and random. It doesn't matter that it technically isn't a case of bury your gays, it's still badly written.

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not forgiving tony gilroy for taking away the cinta / cassian friendship i made up in my mind, btw

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Also apparently a scrapped idea for the origin of K2S0 had them aboard a freighter along with cassian, vel and melshi whilst K2S0 hunted them down? That would've been so fun to watch. Need more horror in star wars

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I've been watching a lot of reactions to andor s2 and theres a distinct pattern of reactors saying that they could tell either vel or cinta were gonna die in ep 6. Just saying but if the consensus is that people can tell a wlw couple is going to end tragically just based off them having a happy moment together or reconciling, it is not good storytelling. Excusing it by saying that this show kills off everyone and no couple gets a happy ending is reductive

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No thoughts just Vel constantly razzing Cassian on Yavin calling him shit like “Clemothy”

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Can't toast them all, can we?

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I'm not shipping them as of yet but i am glad that Vel has Kleya and vice versa. After rogue one it would literally only be vel left from the Aldhani crew. A six month, grueling operation that defied all odds and Kleya is the only one who knows about it. And vel is the one of the select few who knew Luthen enough to know that he was a vital part of the rebellion and what he meant to Kleya.

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Ok so vel survived which is nice..but I still cant reconcile what happened with cinta. Like there was absolutely no reason why she couldn't be on yavin. It would've had no narrative impact on anything else. Having cinta's entire arc happen off screen and then immediately killed off after reconciling with vel to give her baggage and then basically not even have her until the finale. I am confused

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It's bad luck Ghorman

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another one bc I have free will

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imagining cinta and vel living together on yavin in domestic bliss like cassian and bix did for that one year. Like vel and bix became friends and i think she really wouldve liked cinta and gone on double dates!! The possibilities that were taken away from me

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FAYE MARSAY AS VEL SARTHA IN 'ANDOR' SEASON 2

for @chipthekeeper

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and they never got to reconnect..

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Fly high to one of the most lethal facecards in the galaxy 🪽🪽 i will always remember you cinta kaz

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I want you to remember:

The fascists hate you too and they just will pretend otherwise until after they've killed the rest of us, before they turn on you.

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Agatha + holding sorrow in her hands

"Three of Swords: Heartbreak, Sorrow, Grief"