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Susie. The Horse is here.

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also on the voice thing, we all know kris is one of the most autism coded characters to ever exist, but i really do love everything that both routes of chapter four when taken in conjunction told us about kris, being nonverbal, and how that's not painted as a bad thing?

it's pretty common i've seen for silent protagonists to be headcanoned as nonverbal autistic, but i think this is the first time i've seen it be explicitly canon, and also have it be pretty intrinsic to the narrative?

and like no, kris isn't entirely nonverbal, they do speak occasionally. but deltarune in general, and particularly ch4, paints a very strong picture of someone who (at least when they have control over their own voice) does not use words as their primary method of communication

like you can start with quiet people piss me off, or the fact that music is such an important avenue of self expression for them (made all the worse when they're not in control). noelle in ch1 asks if kris is okay when the player asks her the same background/lore questions we can ask everyone, because kris talking this much pings immediately as wrong to her. then there's everything we know about kris as a kid, and how yeah they had a bit of a mean sense of humor, but also pranks and fucking with people was a very good way for them to get attention without having to talk at all

noelle's story of the ferris wheel if you listen to all her and susie's dialogue in dess' room sticks out to me for this, and i really do love that anecdote. noelle mentions she and kris were pushed into riding the ferris wheel together as kids, she didn't really want to be there. and kris didn't say anything the whole time, for the first half they were just looking out the window. but then they decided to jump up and down and shake the entire capsule, and that's when they turned to noelle and smiled. susie goes "is that good or bad?" in response to that story and noelle says she doesn't know, but it's one of the things that gets kris' attention! and whether you believe that they were doing it to freak noelle out or because they also thought this was dumb and wanted to make it more fun for both of them (noelle isn't sure which it was either), that is how they communicate!

and when they do use words. this is the bit that makes me most emotional - noelle in weird route describes kris' voice as deadpan and mumbly. they don't like being loud, they don't talk very often, and they really struggle with inflection. all things that are normally criticisms when directed at autistic people, they're stuff autism moms use to justify their "i know my real child is in there somewhere" bullshit. but when noelle hears it again from soulless kris for the first time since the soul stuff started, she starts crying over how much she's missed hearing them talk. the soul (as we know from a variety of susie and noelle conversations) is louder, more charismatic, more confident and articulate, and it's not kris. so all those traits that are normally things autistic people get told to be more, are explicitly condemned by the narrative

and that's what makes kris being largely nonverbal such an excellent additional dimension to their story. because everything the soul does, at least in the normal routes, pretty much aligns with how people are expected to behave? kris under our control has a great social life, has friends, is likeable, isn't weird and hard to understand. and a crueler person, the kind autistic people have to deal with far too often, would say "well it's good we gave them a voice, they're not using theirs anyway"

but that's what makes it evil! it doesn't matter if kris is the kind of autistic that everyone hates, if there are things about them that don't fit in with society but that they either can't or don't want to change. their life and their voice, as infrequently heard as it is, is still theirs. and they deserve the freedom to use it however they want to

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*Right before going to bed in Chapter 4*

Introducing Tututim my very original and very cool soulsona.

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also on the voice thing, we all know kris is one of the most autism coded characters to ever exist, but i really do love everything that both routes of chapter four when taken in conjunction told us about kris, being nonverbal, and how that's not painted as a bad thing?

it's pretty common i've seen for silent protagonists to be headcanoned as nonverbal autistic, but i think this is the first time i've seen it be explicitly canon, and also have it be pretty intrinsic to the narrative?

and like no, kris isn't entirely nonverbal, they do speak occasionally. but deltarune in general, and particularly ch4, paints a very strong picture of someone who (at least when they have control over their own voice) does not use words as their primary method of communication

like you can start with quiet people piss me off, or the fact that music is such an important avenue of self expression for them (made all the worse when they're not in control). noelle in ch1 asks if kris is okay when the player asks her the same background/lore questions we can ask everyone, because kris talking this much pings immediately as wrong to her. then there's everything we know about kris as a kid, and how yeah they had a bit of a mean sense of humor, but also pranks and fucking with people was a very good way for them to get attention without having to talk at all

noelle's story of the ferris wheel if you listen to all her and susie's dialogue in dess' room sticks out to me for this, and i really do love that anecdote. noelle mentions she and kris were pushed into riding the ferris wheel together as kids, she didn't really want to be there. and kris didn't say anything the whole time, for the first half they were just looking out the window. but then they decided to jump up and down and shake the entire capsule, and that's when they turned to noelle and smiled. susie goes "is that good or bad?" in response to that story and noelle says she doesn't know, but it's one of the things that gets kris' attention! and whether you believe that they were doing it to freak noelle out or because they also thought this was dumb and wanted to make it more fun for both of them (noelle isn't sure which it was either), that is how they communicate!

and when they do use words. this is the bit that makes me most emotional - noelle in weird route describes kris' voice as deadpan and mumbly. they don't like being loud, they don't talk very often, and they really struggle with inflection. all things that are normally criticisms when directed at autistic people, they're stuff autism moms use to justify their "i know my real child is in there somewhere" bullshit. but when noelle hears it again from soulless kris for the first time since the soul stuff started, she starts crying over how much she's missed hearing them talk. the soul (as we know from a variety of susie and noelle conversations) is louder, more charismatic, more confident and articulate, and it's not kris. so all those traits that are normally things autistic people get told to be more, are explicitly condemned by the narrative

and that's what makes kris being largely nonverbal such an excellent additional dimension to their story. because everything the soul does, at least in the normal routes, pretty much aligns with how people are expected to behave? kris under our control has a great social life, has friends, is likeable, isn't weird and hard to understand. and a crueler person, the kind autistic people have to deal with far too often, would say "well it's good we gave them a voice, they're not using theirs anyway"

but that's what makes it evil! it doesn't matter if kris is the kind of autistic that everyone hates, if there are things about them that don't fit in with society but that they either can't or don't want to change. their life and their voice, as infrequently heard as it is, is still theirs. and they deserve the freedom to use it however they want to

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sorry kid i own you. this is your life now

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*YOU THREE... MY FRAINDS!!!

click 4 better quality :-3

ithink this scene is so cute.....

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as much as i love when people draw kris in dresses, i don't think they canonically like skirts very much. i mean, we still have three chapters ahead ofc, but so far judging by their darkworld outfits, i'd say they have a specific style preference. usually, some sort of a well-fitting clothes, tight pants, button-up shirts, boots with heels, some sort of colorful scarves or neckties. heels are important apparently because tenna gave them two whole outfits with heels lol. i'm not sure about their lightworld outfit though, i kinda headcanon that they wear old asriel's shirt for convenience and comfort (that's why i usually draw it a little oversized).

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(spoilers) new favourite deltarune character btw

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KRIS GET THE FUCKING BANANA

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Is this how the Spamton and Tenna divorce went down?

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kris having to call off the shots when the fight goes on for too long is so funny

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battered and bruised

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Deltarune 10 days ago

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5 stages of choccy milk grief :

1. denying the soul is there. you don't see it. just five more minutes.

2. okay so the soul found you. try bargaining with time to see if it will go away on it's own. okay, it isn't.

3. grip empty cup in silent anger- realizing that currently, you are like the empty cup in many ways. don't break their glass cup. why did you make such a stupid promise that you're not sure you can keep

4. set the cup down and stare at it with depressive melancholy, dreading that it has to continue; you promised you'd do this.

5. acceptance. lock the fuck in

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@captain-castaway okay i know i already replied to you here but actually on further reflection i wanna make this part of the post

bc a) that is a really fun parallel

b) it goes both ways! we know from the undertale alarm clock that dess in the post-canon undertale universe is alive and okay (rudy's not, and asgore apologises that "rudy... i was never able to show you the sun... but he'd be happy to see our world today. his daughters get to grow up in the sunlight"), and i love that no matter which universe you're in, one of them is destined to be a normal kid and the other destined to be a half-dead monster (of the actual scary kind, rather than just, their species)

c) im also thinking again about the angel doll dess and noelle made, and how rudy in i think it was ch1 comments that kris and asriel were also there for that, they were making one of their own but they made the wings too big and it fell apart

and then asriel's boss fight form in undertale

which in a strange way kinda posits dess as also the angel, which given everything else about this story, would be something

also while i'm still on the fence as to who i believe the true identity of the knight is, if it is dess

then she's been in that state a lot longer than everyone seems to think

like, i see a lot of fanart of dess being in her late teens, but i don't think she's ever been in her late teens

because if you think about it, we know that asriel and dess were around the same age, and that kris and noelle are around the same age

for kris and noelle to be already teenagers (confirmed in ch2), and for asriel to have only recently gone to college, there can't be more than about 5 years between the two sets of siblings

except that we know from both berdly's flashback monologue and from tenna's flashback monologue, that dess disappeared long enough ago for kris to still be wearing the horn headband, and for noelle's sprite to look like this

(also it was before berdly decided he wanted to be the clever one)

for them to be that young? i think what we're seeing in dess' room isn't the mark of an older teenager who knows what she likes, i think we're seeing a 13yo goth/punk/emo phase from a kid with the money to back it up

and like kris and noelle would still have looked up to her, especially at that age, when you're a little kid a teenager of any kind seems like basically an adult (and also you get flavour text when looking around dess' room like 'at the back are all the scary ones you weren't allowed to play')

but she was still very much a kid

and you know going from a young teenager at best to spending 6+ years as whatever the knight is probably does something to you!

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Safe space