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seventeen mingyu: in the weeds edition

degrees, outer planets, chart patterns, ascendant complex, asteroids, aspects, upcoming saturn return??? we got it all

dude i'm so mad. i'm so mad!!! as i started writing this i was all, sure i like mingyu, but i'm not wild about mingyu, i mean everyone goes wild for mingyu, i want to spread the love!! okay!! yet here we are.

his chart bewitched and beguiled me. so intriguing! multiplicity! got mommy issues? daddy issues? a healthy attachment style?? mingyu will appeal!! however, monogamy.... probably not gonna be his bag, so keep that one in mind lmao.

29° neptune: it's giving manic pixie dream boy

ok neptune stood out to me right off the bat.

you know when i see a 29° planet i'm always gonna talk about it

neptune aspects 5/9 of his planets, and his ascendant and his MC

neptune co-rules his moon, south node, and his MC 2x (pisces, neptune decan)

a prominent/notable neptune often means people simply love to project the hell onto you, so it's not an uncommon chart situation for idols.

looking at this chart, mingyu can be someone's dream boy no matter what the dream is. he has qualities that can fit into any archetype. you want assertive and competent? he can do that. you want sweet and accommodating? he can do that too. you want clever, you want a himbo, you want funny, you want serious? he can do it all!

-> do being the key word. he does contain multitudes and is genuinely multifaceted (gemini rising, mutable cross) but the neptune factor is also projection. he can play a part, but also people often read into him whatever they want to see.

29 is the anaretic degree, it says PAY ATTENTION TO ME. it's about to pass into the next sign, which adds a few fun layers:

+ skill and proficiency: he's a good actor, fits into social roles easily, has a kind of healing energy for people, very sensitive, idealistic, could have some psychic qualities lowkey or just is very intuitive. don't get too excited!! 29° is not considered a benefic, because what exactly is beneficial about having to finish a project? this is not fun and fancy free 0° just starting shit and doesn't have to worry about finishing it!! finishing stuff sucks so much and this is in capricorn, the pressure is immense!! ->capricorn neptune usually vibes kind of.... self-sacrificial. he might find it a little easy to martyr himself when no one asked him to do all that -> 8th house--well let's amp neptune's needs the fuck up, shall we?? anything in a water house is karmic as shit. also he is intuitive as fuck. walk into a room and he knows how eeeeeeverybody is feeling within 10 seconds. there are a lot of psychic qualities here, and moon conjunct south node can he see ghosts bro??? wouldn't put it past him. + urgency: as neptune is about to leave capricorn, he might feel this desperation to do and acquire as much here as possible. we're gonna see spirituality, merging with others, escapism! there's a sense of need here, the void calls him, he must do it all!!! -> neptune is water, altered states, can't say no -> 8th house is I Feel Too Much I See The Depths I Gotta Crash Out -> capricorn is I Can't Let Go of My Responsibilities Without SEVERE ASSISTANCE -> 29° is SCREAMING SCREAMING SCREAMING... hm. be careful about alcohol, buddy, i'm sensing... binge drinking? + tests: time for final neptune exams! lowkey mingyu might have some addictive tendencies for real. either way he's gonna face some crises around escapism for sure, also probably crises to do with his lack of boundaries, workaholism, and how easily he merges with others.

with neptune in the 8th house, sex addiction or just general promiscuity as escapism is... really not out of the question here i'm not gonna lie. tbh i'd be shocked if his bedpost was not notched all to hell. HOWEVER, it's not at all the stereotypical fuckboy asshole vibe, it's kind of like:

aries sun/venus conjunction in the 11th house: okay fine, a soupçon of fuckboy energy, assertive, probably the kind of flirt who teases you a lot (have u ever met an aries venus who is not playfully mean as a form of flirtation bc i haven't), fun social energy, life of the party, unbearably charming... aaand very much will ghost you. but not in a mean way! however pisces moon/mc, prominent neptune, venus sextile jupiter, moon conjunct sn, lots of other chart aspects tbh: incredibly sweet and earnest, forms genuine connections with people, caring, nurturing as shit, earnestly looks into ur eyes all the time, probably a chronic face toucher however sagittarius 7th house, gemini rising, gemini juno: he's just naturally kind of a roamer romantically! he seeks variety, conversation, connection, experience, adventure, new things. he'd probably be into romance with people from lots of different places, who speak other languages--but again, it's really a one or two night thing. (tbh gemini risings, with that sag 7th house libra 5th house, often um.... .. well they don't settle down easily? tend to have a lot of fun in um social um situations? chart dependent, but it's not unusual (looking at you bang chan))

mingyu might be one night standing 365, but he honestly no bullshit feels a connection with every single person when they're together. he looks upon their time together fondly when he leaves at 3am! and he's not putting on an act here!

like sure he is not staying for breakfast, but he doesn't see that as not... valuing the person, i guess? it's very spiritual vibey, neptunian, ahhh how beautiful, we connected tonight, i'll remember you, our journeys connected for this one beautiful moment, farewell, etc. sagittarius-y too, which makes sense with his 7th house. like it's bullshit in a way but it's not bullshit to him, u know?

man i hope he is good at communication, because this is giving manic pixie dream boy in a huge way. lmaoooo, i can't lie it's kind of fun to me? gemini sun to gemini rising, this is fun!

ok let's add some qualifiers, aspects with less than 2° orb (so they're strong, is what i'm saying)

square libra chiron in the 5th at 29° (0.07°A) yeah so um, that's likely more of the same sort of theme (5th house includes casual romantic relationships), but more neuroses about it. -> on some level he's a little afraid to let people stay--like he's not at all afraid of connection, but he is afraid of sustained connection -> he is also afraid of NOT GETTING ENOUGH ATTENTION!!! (5th house) but he's very cute and earnest about it. he probably feels genuinely upset and remorseful if someone feels led on by him. -> also like, fifth house as childhood, who hurt you mingyu??? who discouraged your artistic expression when u were a kid??? were you discouraged from expressing urself for social conformity reasons?? did u feel shame about breaking the peace and ur need for attention?? man that saturn and SN in the 10th... mars in the 4th... pluto squaring your MC-IC... heal ur inner child mingyu 😭

quincunx gemini ascendant (1.57°A) : in one sense mingyu is acting in a genuine way and if people don't get that that's their problem, but at the same time the projections occur, and make him feel like he's not being perceived as his true self :/ is it because people think you're a dom top when you're actually a sub service top... jw -> the quincunx is a thinky thinky aspect--whenever i see it i know the person can analyze that shit (and too much probably, with another strong quincunx between mingyu's mercury and pluto) -> mingyu's Life Journey is about communicating (gemini) and asserting himself (aries), and his neptune issues (escapism, martyring himself, ghosting) come into conflict with that journey

conjunct pallas (0.42°S): ok. well. this is where my head really turned for mingyu, like damn bud he has the Vision. -> amazing natural leader, inspiring, strategic, problem-solver, finds creative solutions out of nowhere. -> sometimes an active neptune can lead to an easily bruised quality (i love her but blackpink jennie (neptune conjunct sun) was like this before her saturn return[in pisces!]). with that pisces moon i had assumed mingyu would get this too but!! he does not. he has a deep, unshakable like... belief? connection with the universe in a way?? he knows he can get through anything; he's incredibly resilient. -> sidebar pallas is at 0° aquarius-- he is smart smart smart, really quick thinker

trine gemini juno in his 12th house (1.5°S): goddamnit this chart keeps getting cuter but not too cute, i'm so mad. he's a natural caretaker and nurturer, especially with this being in a water houses trine. people look at him and are like, immediately ready to confess all their troubles. he's so nurturing!! if you have mommy issues, mingyu could appeal to you! (oh shit is that why this is working on me...? lmao uh oh) -> gemini juno in the 12th, he likes a partner who is clever, communicative, variable, possibly who plays hard to get sometimes, in the 12th he wants to feel like Fated to that person, however likely to have lots of undefined relationships and/or secret relationships and/or issues with partners meaning ill towards him or causing him harm directly or indirectly (not a guarantee, just a possibility)

bucket chart with a 4th house mars handle: go go go! (home? NO! the CLUB! then home :) )

mingyu has a bucket chart pattern--almost all of his planets are in one half of his chart--mostly the upper half (public facing, life is about external situations), but there are two in the lower half--pluto and mars. OHHHH boy, he's got some subconscious brewing down there, baby!! 6th house pluto and virgo mars can u say... anxiety???

notably, mars is our "bucket handle", since it's off by itself. it's gonna flavor the whoooooole pot, and since it's down by the IC in the most private and personal part of the chart, it's like mingyu holds this very close to his chest.

bucket chart patterns usually mean EXTREMES, pushing urself, conflict, all that kind of thing, and mars as the bucket handle??? lmao. life is about ACTION.

however. mars is in virgo in the 4th house and retrograde, this isn't a straightforward fiery direct mars in aries in the first or something. he is very go go go but also there's a lot of fear and restriction in there. also virgo is about SERVICE, so that is key (and: service top energy???)

any planet trying to make a move: so yeah that's my plan, i just need you to sign off, so if you can do that real quick... mars rx: hey :) you gotta learn how to assert yourself in your own individual way that is free from societal pressure :) u won't learn this for a long time so :) hope you enjoy things going wrong :) virgo mars: i have made 8 lists and cross-referenced all of them and then i will make a decision but wait what if i made a mistake, hm let's make another 2 lists, why are you getting impatient there is no point doing something if i do not do it correctly, mars in the 4th house: no yeah that's fine i can um. i can do all that. for sure. no problem. just gotta... cancel all my other plans so i can do everything myself since i'm the ONLY one who can,,,,, so, ,,

-> quincunx 11th house aries venus: (mars trying to throttle venus for impulsive choices because of social pressures YET AGAIN) -> quincunx 11th house aries sun: (following aries sun to parties whispering how have you been of service lately in his ear while he takes another shot) the perfectionism really jumps out in this whole area of the chart, plus the heavy 10th house -> conjunct lilith: oooh boy!! energy, charm, willpower, sexual magnetism, assertive, basically like injecting cautious virgo mars with a bit of scorpio and a bit of aries, ooohHHHH boy. his action and will is based on passion! however, potential to dominate situations and/or make rash emotional decisions (virgo mars hates this) -> conjunct virgo lilith in the 4th house: perfectionism runs rife, also some issues with the family (esp with his mars being in the 4th)--could be family secrets, or he feels beholden to his family all the time, or he didn't feel like he belonged in his family, or something else, but it leads to a certain masking quality for self-protection. -----> especially with this conjunction directly opposed to his 10th house moon--possibly an unhealthy relationship with his mother or another parent-like figure, enmeshment or just a ton of pressure on him (and possibly the reverse, pressure taken off him when it's not necessary). a lot to unravel here for him, lots of generational stuff at play, this is less fun and honestly more red flag-y? but it could also be just another thing to help him be even more empathetic, it really depends on how he deals with it!

mutable cross, mutable planets

rare is the aries sun who vibes like a mutable sign. despite clearly having an aries sun, mingyu has a shitton of mutable energy muddying the waters. very weird for cardinal fire aries!

so mingyu is fire dominant, with water coming a close second. then mutable energy goes crazy.

mingyu's angles are in a mutable square--gemini ascendant, sagittarius descendant, pisces MC, virgo IC.

mingyu's cardinal sun, saturn and venus might feel awkward with like his life direction and shape, in a sense. his mutable placements (his pisces moon, lunar nodes, virgo mars and even his sag pluto which is generational) gel with the way his life moves and may feel more "accessible" to him. it's an interesting combination!

pisces moon in the 10th house -- deeply empathetic, need for emotional contact, softness, but also expects a lot of himself (10th house), it's the highest planet on the chart so it's visible, easily accessible, very public. HUGE sense of responsibility to others.

virgo mars in the 4th house -- precision, energy, highly competent, good at "home" stuff, probably good at DIY and cooking and anything homemaking, also very high expectations of himself, loves to Provide

sag pluto in the 6th house -- pluto in the 6th house is all about Service, which literally was already point 1 and 2 on this list, so this is what is called a "repeated theme" lads! mingyu's soul journey has a huge slice about service to others. pluto in the 6th is all about getting humbled, lmao. he may go through crises or just humiliation in some way, whatever it takes for the soul to get a reality check. this placement can be prone to over-work, distracting themselves from anxiety, that sort of thing. a crisis that may happen often does through the body--illness or injury forcing someone to have to slow down and assess shit.

while we're here, let's look at his MC

in pisces: at work/in the wider world he moves in a sensitive, artistic way, very empathetic, he needs to be able to be creative and to connect with other people in order to feel satisfied professionally neptune decan: all that projection, tho conjunct the royal star fomalhaut: this was super interesting to me--any royal star in close conjunction with someone's chart will bring gifts and success and the opportunity to share a message w the world, but it will also make you go through Trials. mingyu's neptune is already putting him through Trials so like join the club i guess!! -> pros: wisdom, empathy, artistic talent -> cons: intense very visible emotions, aforementioned Trials

let's add some dialogue with the aspects, shall we?

pisces MC: i meet the world with sensitivity and empathy :) if i don't get to do that professionally i feel incomplete :( sextile taurus mercury in the 11th: my talent for communication aligns perfectly with my career :) also i have a nice down-to-earth and sensible vibe :) i love to chill with my friends and like-minded groups of people :) trine chiron: wow i am so wise :) feeling stifled creatively when i was young has made me value what i have now! i can heal others through my artistic expression! square pluto: knock knock pisces MC: no... no don't do it... square pluto: say who's there. never mind i don't care, it's time to force that transformation, baby!! pisces MC: but my escapism? square sag pluto in the 6th: not anymore :) damn look at that, now you have a slight terror around your need to be liked... a deep inability to follow orders you think are stupid... pisces MC: at least i have a cute duality between innocence and wisdom now? square pluto in the 6th: hey u know that deep soul level feeling of lack and internalized guilt that permeates everything? hm what if that could be fixed... with enough power/success/approval from other people pisces MC: but it's ... it's never going to be enough? square pluto: but it's never going to be enough :)

active 9th, 10th, 11th house: Externally Focused, Extrovert Style

(not that people with these placements are all extroverts, it's just the whole picture is screaming SOCIAL BUTTERFLY here)

-jupiter in the 9th: he's live laugh loving, he's listening and learning, he's on a Journey, jupiter's favorite house is the 9th and she can't wait to tell you about her backpacking trip (mingyu loves a backpacking trip) -> jupiter in aquarius: curiosity! interested in new ideas, also thinks he's right all the time -> jupiter sextile sun (exact orb): people like him! he has a talent for literally shining, but also projecting and expanding the vision of the self -> 9th jupiter sextile 11th sun: talent for communicating ideas to groups of people -> jupiter sextile venus: people really like him very much -> jupiter square vertex in gemini: you know that sylvia plath quote about the fig tree? that. so many possibilities! sometimes gets disappointed because he has really high expectations. wants everything all at once! cannot have :(

aries sun in the 11th: SOCIAL!!! also smart. wants to be influential with groups, is already influential with groups, feels he is not influential enough? natural leader tho. -> also super loyal! -> sun conjunct venus (exact): very pretty :) very charming :) very adorable :) gentle :) sweet :) NEEDS TO BE LOVED BY EVERYONE ALL THE TIME OR HE WILL WILT!!! HIS FEELINGS WERE HURT BECAUSE U DIDN'T GIVE HIM ENOUGH ATTENTION!! aries venus in the 11th: flirts by teasing someone, wants to be flirted with by teasing, also would prefer this to happen in public where everyone can observe and he can feel like a special boy (he is a special boy!!) -> insanely huge social circle, CONSTANTLY out, hates being alone, loves the club, loves to flirt with e-v-e-r-y-one. also falls in love with everyone, but for like 30-50 seconds each. -> venus quincunx mars: a little afraid of serious conflict for an aries sun!! asteroid sedna in the 11th: mmm. a little bit of a doormat at times for his friends. will give the shirt off his back, and then all the shirts from his closet, then be like wait :( i have no shirts :( why didn't someone give me their shirts???? why am i always the one giving shirts???? hopefully his aries energy can balance this out. mercury in the 11th: lives to communicate with others. wants to share his thoughts and ideas!! ability to analyze things! -> taurus mercury: when he has made his decision about something, good luck changing his mind lmao it ain't happening -> taurus mercury in the 11th: fixed energy on fixed house energy, unbelievably stubborn, lord with the aries sun as well... ... god bless. i mean i think this combo is fun, but... .... yeah don't try to change his mind ever, just manipulate him into it, it'll be easier for both of you. -> quincunx pluto in the 6th: some anxiety and fear here--does he like overshare when he gets drunk at a party and then regrets it and crashes out a little bit the next day?? very possible. -> sextile MC: lucky! his need to communicate is matched perfectly with his public persona -> taurus sextile pisces MC: he has (a) a talent for communicating in a way that has people emotionally connecting and (b) a certain level of realism and practicality protects him from having the tissue paper boundaries of many pisces MCs

moon in the 10th: have discussed a little, but having the most sensitive intimate moon (pisces) in the most public business boy house can feel weird sometimes, a little bit vulnerable, however he is well-loved -> conjunct SN: SENSITIVE saturn in the 10th: the 10th is saturn's favorite house, it's the house of Getting Real and Growing The Hell Up and Having Expectations That Are Maybe Unrealistic and then Beating Urself Up For Not ACHIEVING ENOUGH... i mean. however saturn is a rude bitch so even when your saturn is a place where he is comfortable, he will still fuck up your shit :/ don't get me wrong i love saturn, but i do not think that mingyu loves saturn? aries and saturn... well. -> aries saturn in the 10th: a whole mess of contradictions. starting and stopping, rushing and waiting, wanting to SHINE and being terrified of shining? -> saturn conjunct sun: was his dad... really strict? bright side, huge amounts of self-discipline, hard worker, reliable, very different flavor of an aries sun. still an aries sun, though, you cannot quash the aries sun. also SKY HIGH expectations of himself.

stay tuned for ur saturn return starting 24 may 2025, mingyu, it's gonna rock your shit up 😬. ahh lord, look at this!! i'm not even a predictive astrology girlie and i went "uh oh..."

like, his saturn return as our foundational issue, then saturn activating his moon, SN, saturn, sun, venus? pluto activating the 8th the whole time? squaring his mercury? uranus activating the 12th?? nodal reversal?? damn that is... a lot of upheaval and transformation and change, bud. neptune haunting the 10th like "hey... what if all ur future plans... were all wrong? no i do not have an alternative plan for u i'm just here to tell u ur lost :)"

great if he deals with things productively, however It Hurts To Become and all that!!

godspeed, mingyu, at least you bagged another admirer on this day (my dumb ass)

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omghallucinations · 8 months ago

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idle soyeon and ateez hongjoong--2 idols both alike in indignity (very in the weeds edition: decans, chart patterns, retrogrades, degrees, etc)

(part 1 probably, this kind of very nitpicky sorting shit is addicting to me, let's DO it)

my personal fascination!!! do you not see the twinning?? these two have very "the same/different" charts and present really similarly, with the same MC, first house and ascendant.

same: simultaneously a bad bitch who can kill you and the silliest lil dummy in the world. cult of personality. big idea person. cutey tiny adorable. shapeshifter. bossy as fuck, but also baby?? vegetable anti. kind of a dweeb. otaku bestie energy

i wanna focus on the things that are similar between them to pick out any key differences, so let's get VERY INTO THE WEEDS.

(anyone who reads this is a real one and we are bros for life because this is niche in so many ways)

the same: capricorn neptune at 29° conjunct capricorn ascendant (spiritual workaholic)

neptune is at 29°, the anaretic degree--exam season is on, babes!!

anything at the anaretic degree= talent, tests, urgency, intensity, crisis

like damn can they both Act and Create and Visionary!! but um self-sacrifice is not your profession, babes? with capricorn neptune rising, they compulsively take on responsibilities.

they are both semi-monomaniacal and probably work best alone--or they think they do. if they could get away with it, they would do everything themselves (bc they know how they want it!!!), truly predebut soyeon fine... i'll do it myself.

the mood is...

shapeshifters, can completely inhabit a character

life is about artistic expression and creation, but also authority!

idealism, big issues, humanitarianism but through a practical lens

art, beauty, tapping into Feelings and Experiences of humanity (songwriter shit)

spirituality, religion??? some connection to like... The Universe, a higher being, a Grand Idea, something like that

full of empathy and kindness lowkey

capricorn wants strict boundaries and neptune wants to merge with others, so my guess would be that they often either go too hard with boundaries (into the studio, shut the door, talk to no one, become a ghost) or too light (i will take every meeting for every single thing no it's fine i got it don't worry you can take a nap i don't need sleep yes i will work over the weekend and do the work of 7 people myself)

both capricorn and neptune looooove to deny the self. capricorn ignores the self in favor of The Work (whatever Their Work is); capricorn neptune specifically has a jesus complex and wants to carry the cross for everybody. also there's religion stuff there in general!

damn honestly, talk about overwork issues and inability to delegate, #mood

different: hongjoong's direct neptune, soyeon's retrograde neptune (witch vs. EXTREMELY witch)

faith is going to be more important and more Pressuring for soyeon. both of them have neptune following them around through life like..

capricorn ascendant: gotta Work neptune, whispering in their ear: consider the Beyond 🥺... consider Humanity 🥺 cap ascendant: gotta work neptune: consider a total lack of boundaries.... consider ghosting everyone you know,,, 😶‍🌫️ cap ascendant:gotta make that money🤑 make purse🤑 neptune: Art, Creation... the Aesthetic... cap ascendant: got a fur coat so i make it purr 😎

hongjoong's neptune is like, "perfect script, no notes."

however, soyeon's neptune is coming in with edits.

capricorn ascendant: gotta Work (gotta work) neptune rx: that's me in the corner... capricorn ascendant: gotta make that money? 🤑? neptune rx, screeching: THAT'S ME IN THE SPOT 🗣️ LIGHT 🗣️ LOSING MY RELIGION capricorn ascendant: make... purse? neptune rx, yowling: WHAT IF GOD WAS 🗣️ONE OF US🗣️ capricorn ascendant: got a fur coat??? neptune rx, bellowing: ART AND COMMERCE ARE INTERLOCKED SEMIOTIC PRACTICES A NON-LINGUISTIC SIGN IS BOUND TO THE INTERPRETANT WHO IN TURN IS IMPRISONED WITHIN SOCIETAL CONVENTION,,, WHICH, capricorn ascendant, frantically googling: ..; haha so i don't make it purr, actually i, um, unravel the mythos of the symbol,,, also the coat is vintage?? neptune rx: 😈

basically soyeon is under more pressure to develop her own conception of spirituality and connection to The World Beyond and shit. retrograde planets are usually associated with past life stuff (like some thematic shit went down and was unresolved in a past life which means u have to reckon with the planetary themes now) and a pressure to individuate, aka decide shit yourself.

soyeon is a bit more revolutionary when it comes to her spirituality, and the way she connects to Humanity's Vibes is more... mystical?? idk. i mean it really tracks that she's a practicing buddhist and shares that as a part of her Idol Image.

aquarius uranus in the 1st house: well sinead o'rebellion!!

it's in the 1st house, in its own decan, it's SUPER visible. we've already got our spiritual goats (neptune conjunct capricorn ascendant) and now it's time to make this significantly um.... well a little bit meaner but also cooler and more Revolutionary!

aquarius uranus in the 1st=aquarius rising flavor

a capricorn rising can be very strict and structured and potentially traditional in their worldview (not as much these two, not with neptune conjunct ascendant). uranus in the 1st house says lmao fuck your bourgeois ideas in this very black and white no-excuses kind of way

they could both be excellent revolutionary leaders if they wanted

they truly want to overthrow shit they don't agree with--but at the same time they're both canny, capricorn knows how to play it just within the rules and push boundaries just enough to stay out of real trouble so they can keep their positions of authority (although i bet their personal opinions are pretty radical)

they're comfortable in situations of dramatic change or instability--they do well in chaos or unpredictable situations especially for earth risings

there's an inherent difference in their personalities--they know they're not like other people in many ways and they can't hide that. they feel misunderstood and often are misunderstood, people project stuff onto them (neptune) and misread them as harsher than they are (capricorn, uranus).

neither of them could follow orders for more than like 2-3 hours because the minute they think something is stupid they are rebelling (uranus), losing any respect they still have for the stupid-order-giver (aquarius), completely evading control (neptune) and/or taking control themselves (capricorn). lmao what is hongjoong gonna do in the military, that's gonna suuuuck.

you can tell them to do whatever, sure, but when it comes to The Work they are literally going to do whatever they want, sorry.

just physically they have the skinny compact capricorn rising look with the alien uranus flavor and soulful neptune eyes--plus the neptunian shape-shifting ability. they're two of the best performers in the game.

different: soyeon's retrograde uranus conjunct ascendant, hongjoong uranus direct in the 1st house

soyeon's aquarius uranus is retrograde, and also widely conjunct her ascendant, so it's gonna be more... loud.

capricorn ascendant: Gotta Work (gotta work) neptune rx: that's me in the corner... uranus rx, dead serious: disobedience is man’s original virtue capricorn ascendant: gotta make that money? 🤑? neptune rx: THAT'S ME IN THE SPOT 🗣️ LIGHT 🗣️ LOSING MY RELIGION uranus rx, staring capricorn dead in the eye: the proletariate has nothing to lose but their chains capricorn ascendant: make... purse? neptune rx, yowling: WHAT IF GOD WAS 🗣️ONE OF US🗣️ uranus rx, poorly hiding a guillotine: complacency is complicity...bitch

not saying she is a committed revolutionary in every respect just saying she could if she wanted to despite her compromising 7th house placements and libra moon (all of whom also committed to equality and fairness!)

also just in general, social change is going to be a driving force for soyeon in a different way than hongjoong--he also has a good amount of that but it's maybe less... political? less intense? than it is for soyeon. not surprising, for a female producer in south korea. if i were her i'd be furious 100% of the time.

soyeon also has a lot more creative control of idle's music than hongjoong does of ateez's--idk if that is by design for HJ or not. the urgency of control/individuality/personal expression is stronger astrologically for soyeon with the retrograde planets so it does track?

i think hongjoong is more willing to let things go, in some ways. soyeon is more willing to let things go in other ways, so!

the same: ruled by saturn, saturn acting up at the base of their charts, saturn retrograde

damn i love people who are saturn-ruled. saturn is lowkey my favorite. people who are saturn-ruled or saturn-dominant tend to Go Thru It but in return there is a gift. like damn saturn is a harsh parent but saturn cares soooo much. you will Suffer but it will be the making of you, u know?? also people who cross you will eventually get fucked up by the universe.

both of them have insanely active saturns that anchor their charts. cannot emphasize enough how intense these fuckers are. since they both have a retrograde saturn, they are less attached to the trappings of societal norms than they could be. also they are really gonna have to deal with their issues with authority??

different: saturn at 29° aries v. saturn in taurus

hongjoong: ruled by saturn in aries at 29°

another 29°! neptune isn't hongjoong's only big talent/tester--saturn has joined the chat. first of all aries saturn is already weird and jumpy as fuck. aries is a baby and saturn wants you to grow the hell up. aries loathes a rule, saturn has the rulebook in hand and is annotating as we speak!! there's inherent conflict within the heart of an aries saturn. a real tinderbox tbh--both saturn and aries really think they're right. who will win???

(there are no winners :( they have to learn to live together :()

in aries--leadership, drive, doing it all on your own so pretty clear uhhh workaholic situation

anything at 29° is frantic--it's about to pass to the next sign, so it wants to do everything before it leaves. hongjoong has this almost manic need for control and leadership and creation, action, drive.

3rd house=gemini flavor, cute! i mean, weird for saturn, but fun for me personally. saturn is exerting a lot of force in communication, language, learning. maybe he had a very restrictive childhood education that also made him like way more committed to being in charge himself bc rules are stupid. unless they are his rules, in which case they are perfect, so.

square capricorn neptune (exact) and ascendant-- the aries-capricorn square is the most #leader one u can imagine. take no prisoners, extremely cardinal sign. if there's a crisis or a zombie apocalypse bet on hongjoong--he can really pull together a survival plan in the face of abject horror. snaps for hongjoong!

with neptune here it's softer, more concerned with humanity, less monomaniacal. so we don't have to worry about hongjoong turning his ragged survival group into a fucked up cult or something, he'll make good choices for the collective, more snaps for hongjoongie!

still there's a conflict between his saturn, who is suuuper harsh and out for itself and wants to act without restrictions (aries) and his softer neptune who cares about the greater good or service and wants to be more democratic or measured and mature--so going back to the zombie apocalypse, hongjoong might be prone to taking extreme action and then regretting that shit. deducting a snap for hongjoong. hm maybe he should have a second-in-command 🤔

a very productive square, here! lots of energy and action--lots of creation and follow-through. trust him in a zombie apocalypse but make sure you've got checks and balances in your pseudo-government.

opposite scorpio lilith -- there's an optimism about aries that scorpio does not share. aries is a baby. scorpio is a hardened nordic detective in her forties. she's making cynical asides and aries is toddling off towards a beautiful future

in scorpio opposite 3rd house saturn hongjoong loOOVEs the drama and #secrets and #intrigue but he acts like everyone else is bothering him by bringing their drama to him

the 9th house is more uranus-y stuff--rebel with a cause. god i would pay real cash to see what he was like in school. or would have been like in school if he hadn't been a trainee which probably took up all his energy. he hates rigid societal standards and dumb rules and shit!! hates injustice!!! i feel like we would have been expelled together, it'd be so romantic🥹

saturn wants hongjoong to Take Charge, Take Responsibility, and lilith is like DISAVOW SOCIETY, OVERTHROW THE EARTH. lilith constantly is telling hongjoong how people are CROWDING him he's TRAPPED they're gonna BETRAY HIM SOMEHOW even though saturn wants that responsibility and social interaction. fight!

soyeon: ruled by saturn in taurus

soyeon is practical. she focuses on what can tangibly be done and she works methodically. she doesn't really do "writer's block" bc she's like ah, hating my work is a natural stage of creation, just gotta keep going. she's a lot softer than she appears, but if she wants something her way she will get it that way.

soyeon likes the physical parts of creation. she likes being in the room and she likes her equipment and her stuff. she likes messing with the files, and she has a very physical feeling about it. it makes me think about how she is when producing--how she talks her members through what she wants, it's very focused on the body and the physical way to make the sound.

i imagine hongjoong is more about the ideas when he explains things, or generally more like, let's experiment a lot and then i'll narrow everything down later. soyeon has an initial vision and takes incremental steps to guide people to that vision--and she wants it her way before she edits. she needs the vision to be concrete.

she has less frantic energy here than hongjoong. soyeon is absolutely a workaholic and is gonna have to deal with that, but she's less afraid i guess. hongjoong probably has really dramatic ups and downs with his work, but soyeon is more level-headed. she might decide she hates something later (superlady) and she's never gonna change her mind on that but it's not gonna send her into a tailspin. it's more like she'll want to work her way out of any perceived failure immediately.

super strong square to mars: hello productivity! also very similar to the capricorn-aries square--you can also put soyeon in charge during a zombie apocalypse. she will be very level-headed and practical and will remember to secure a reliable water supply.

taurus square leo: fixed square--stubborn as FUCK. SUPER productive. creative, some ego situation. resting bitch face in a massive way. loves an object. loves a good house. loves a good vibe. loves comfort and pretty things.

quincunx pluto: hm well there's the fear! i retract what i said about the fear. issues with authority, also she probably both desperately wants the approval of authority figures and wants to fully ignore their influence and go her own way. confusing!!

trine the sun (exact): lucky!! damn i wish i had this aspect. as another adhd bitch, consistency is not my bag. it is however, soyeon's bag. it's an earth trine and it's saturn-sun--soyeon is disciplined as fuck and reliable in her work.

she also has the lilith opposition but it's not out-of-sign, so we've got fixed squares and a fixed opposition! attachment, desire, sex, money, power, all that fun stuff. veeeery secretive in some ways.

you can also trust soyeon in a zombie apocalypse. very good head on her shoulders, will be super productive, will think about proper waste disposal. she will not share power though, so that could be a problem. also she probably thinks she does share power and it's like "... girl? what about this is screaming teamwork exactly???"

same: locomotive charts with mars "engines"

in a locomotive chart, planets are all around the chart 3/4ths of the way. the "engine" planet sets the tone for all the other ones. both soyeon and hongjoong are led by mars--action, initiation, survival, drive. any locomotive chart wants to go-go-go, but mars leading it--extra this.

different: everything else!

hongjoong's planets are led by his 8th house virgo mars

8th house is the scorpio house, fixed water, depth, transformation, deals, secrets, darkness

UNNECESSARILY DRAMATIC

may enjoy bdsm or transgressive sexuality in some way? especially with the scorpio of it all. sexual but feels weird about it (virgo)

virgo wants to be of service, wants to pick out what is useful, wants to critique, wants to fiddle with everything, virgo is cautious, virgo is freaking out about something

works to avoid feelings (workaholic +10)

virgo also loves a crisis, and with the 8th house... it's not that deep, hongjoong... it's not that deep....

the 8th is mars and pluto ruled, so hongjoong's mars gets a boost here too, and a scorpio flavor--he lowkey (highkey) can be very very intense

in a fixed house wants to do things its own way, in a mutable sign its willing to adapt however to survive. earth and water and a fire planet. confusing!! very weird mars vibe! lots of conflicting energy!

super wild exact jupiter-mars opposition--bringing the drama yet again, girl. at least he's funny as fuck. also a really good leader! makes people feel good and seen! not afraid of the Darkness (that much!)

however... those hasty decisions... girl be grateful for your capricorn rising bc this could've been a disaster.

also pisces jupiter is really cute and jupiter is hongjoong's final dispositor (rules everything). very important jupiter!! it all comes back to his ideals and philosophies and dreams for the future. he's very future-leaning in general. much more emotional than some of his other placements might lean or try to lean--and jupiter trine sun and venus... ahh my heart. cute placement. more on this another time.

soyeon's planets are led by her 7th house leo mars

7th house is a libra house, venus-ruled, it's cardinal air, it's communication, it's relationships, it's uhhh having to litigate for ur life all the time ha ha ha?

leo mars wants to shine, wants to LIVE FOREVER through creation, creativity, praise, the spotlight

leo and libra, very it's not that deep babes it's just a laugh babes

in the sun decan it's all about personal expression!! it's a little bit tinkerbell I live for the applause applause applause (+5 sharpay from hsm)

in a cardinal and angular house it wants to act first, in a fixed sign it is sure of itself, we've got a real unobstructed leader energy here--the 7th house is a little more hesitant but everything else is propelling mars forward

fire and air are friends and they wanna party. fire sign, air planet, fire planet--the energy is super pure super unified, consistent, complimentary (if hongjoong's locomotive is a lil cautious and intense soyeon's has NO FEAR and it DID come here to make friends)

soyeon's mars is right up against her descendant--it's like a little fuel pot for her but it might uhh give her indigestion? there's this little bubbling anger pit she pretend she do not see a lot of the time. it probably feels deeply unproductive and maybe scary to feel her anger, but if she doesn't face it it's gonna face her, girl!

opposite her ascendant and 1st house neptune--holy avoidance batman, soyeon simply loves to close her eyes and ignore a problem, byyyye

the back n forth between her optimistic puppy leo mars and her sad swan capricorn neptune is very creatively potent tho

lmao fire trine to her her sag pluto, she's genuinely hilarious, versatile creatively, can shake shit off well

soyeon's fear of not proving herself enough or whatever actually propels her to action instead of freaking her out, canNOT relate but good for her

in conclusion this is really fun for me lmao I'm gonna do another edition. stay tuned for the 10th house I guess!!

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