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I get why you’re saying that, and a lot of them certainly do seem to hate white people while cheering for Arabs, but there are a lot of anti-Arab racist behaviors that are endemic to the movement.

The first is that we consistently see the racism of low expectations when applied to the actions of Arabs with regards to Israel. How many times have we seen people excuse the actions of terrorist organizations because “what else could they do?” or “it’s how the culture is.” Hamasniks routinely deny Arabs agency in their own actions because agency is for white people.

We also see hamasniks devaluing the lives of Arabs. You yourself often point out how eager they seem to be for more and more dead Palestinians. One would think that if they really thought Arabs were superior they would actually care about Arabs dying and not just having a larger number to bludgeon (((Zionists))) with.

There is also the way that they so frequently use their voices to speak over any Arab that disagrees with them. If they really thought Arabs were superior, wouldn’t they let them speak? Wouldn’t they think that the “superior” Arab voice should sound out over their own white one?

All of this together makes me think that they don’t see Arabs as real people. The way they act makes it clear that this isn’t real to them, just a round of entertainment for them to pick a side on and feel morally righteous about. That doesn’t read as Arab supremacism to me - "Arabs and Israelis aren't real people with inferiority, just characters for me to write fanfic about" definitely reads as white superiority to me.

Of course, all of this is about Western leftists cheering in support of terrorists in order to act out their Judenhass. The Arabs that they’re cheering for are absolutely Arab supremacists, you’re right about that, but if I had to guess the screenshotted comment was from a member of the former group, not the latter.

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Huh, so my company has pulled their sponsorship for San Diego Pride, specifically citing "disagreement with their choice of headline performer" as the reason why. That's really unexpected, but also pretty cool. We've been sponsors for the last three years and it's nice to see them willing to stop over this.

Every once in a while my corporate overlords get it right.

For anyone who missed it, San Diego hired an antisemitic performer to headline and refused to rethink that choice when contacted by local Jewish groups. The canned response they sent my company reads:

“We recognize that many artists and activists, hold political and personal views that may not align with everyone in our community. San Diego Pride does not endorse or adopt the personal or political positions of any individual performer. Rather, we honor the value of artistic integrity, the importance of free expression, and the role that artists play in shaping culture, challenging systems, and amplifying underrepresented voices.”

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No, that feels right.

If you're anti-Zionist, then you're probably a white supremacist.

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i don't want to be a zionist

It's true! I don't.

I don't want to think that Gentiles are just not going to address antisemitism, period, end of sentence, therefore the way to keep us all from dying is to go somewhere else and create our own state.

I don't want to think that.

I want to be able to trust Gentiles when they say Zionism is bad, unnecessary.

I want to.

I want to be able to not be so pessimistic.

But I can't. Not when Gentiles have been killing my people for over 2,000 years.

Not when Gentiles have done so consistently, like the heartbeat of history. Not when nothing has fixed this--Christianity, Islam, Protestantism, science, assimilation, conversion, modernity, capitalism, communism.

And all the things you can think of and more have been tried. We have been poor, rich, moneylenders, ragpickers. We have been migrants and we have been fairly settled. We have been perfect dhimmis. We have been rebellious. We have supported revolutions, we have opposed them. We have advanced science, technology, literature. We have learned. We have assimilated. We have converted. We have fought back, we have stayed peaceful. We have been in ghettos. We have worn badges. We have been antizionist. We have switched to drinking white wine instead of red. We have opened the door for Elijah, to dispel myths about unspeakable things (and check for those planting corpses in our yards).

None of it works.

None.

We die anyway.

Zionism is the option of last resort, to me.

It's the pessimistic "nothing else has worked".

But nothing else has worked.

We have, thanks to history, been forced to try other approaches for two thousand years.

And Gentiles have not found a satisfactory one.

They have still found reasons to kill us.

So the solution isn't to try another way, and another.

The solution is to stop needing their approval. To be in control of our destiny, in our own country.

Because they will never be satisfied.

I wish I didn't need to be Zionist.

But I can't.

Not while being responsible, not while being honest with myself, with history, with the piles of corpses and ashes.

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Netanyahu says Israel's strikes are preemptive; however, it is more accurate to say they are preventative. Here is why that is and why Netanyahu would say they are preemptive anyway. Preemptive vs Preventative Attack

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maybe, when your comments get you called out by the united states holocaust memorial museum, instead of doubling down and claiming that people are just “hating”, you could realize it’s time to do some reflection

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I genuinely believe that what it comes down to for a lot of leftists is that you can only be racist against people, but Jews have been so thoroughly dehumanized in their minds that we just don't count as people anymore.

They'll certainly give you an excuse like "Judaism is just a religion" or even the old, "that's not antisemitic, just anti-Zionist!" but the actual reason is, "I don't believe Jews are people with rights, just monsters that need to be eliminated for the good of society."

every leftist acting like they don’t understand how antisemitism could be racism “because Judaism is a religion” are lying through their teeth. we spent the last 2 decades plus fully understanding Islamophobia was racist.

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quite frankly, I don’t want to yap on the post that contains these comments, but if you think “nobody’s saying don’t bring them home, I hope they die” is true, then you have not been paying attention and have spent no time in Jewish or Israeli spaces where we are bombarded by that exact phrasing and hatred, or even in the opposite pro-Hamas spaces where they say it proudly, since October 7th. the cheers of “kill the hostages” and much worse have been pervasive and incessant from day one. you have not seen the signs at rallies calling for them to be killed. you have not seen the fiendish glee after any of them have been murdered. their families have been begging for help and are broadly opposed to their government, desperately want a ceasefire, and feel utterly abandoned, and people have been dehumanizing them and ripping up pictures of their loved ones, and you still have the audacity to see it as “supporting genocide” when anyone cares about their suffering.

this one makes me much angrier. the posters were created by their families. the posters have been put up in many places in the diaspora by their family members, but yes, many have been put up by people who don’t know them personally - that is, the local Jewish communities. (who are being slandered here as “Zionists” and thus warmongers.) why has this been done? BECAUSE THEY ARE OUR PEOPLE. the utter inability to understand this underscores how non-Jews refuse to recognize that Jews are a connected group. it doesn’t matter that I’ve never met any of the hostages, that does not change the depth of my care or my grief for them, because there is an intrinsic connection.

that’s apparently impossible to grasp, so have these commentators who have no stakes in this conflict whatsoever never felt connection and kinship to others? “nothing but a symbol” wrong. they’re nothing but a symbol to you, and to you that symbol is evil. to you that symbol is oppression and death and a totally racist, gross distortion. THAT IS NOT WHAT THEY ARE TO US. THE HOSTAGES ARE US. again: those are our people! those are our people who you’ve seen fit to ignore, demonize, and justify harm against for 623 days while they’ve been tortured, starved, assaulted, and executed in rotting terror tunnels. what gives you permission to say ANYTHING about the worth of their lives?

how the hell do people not comprehend that if the international community had pressured Hamas to release the hostages unconditionally, immediately - people stolen from their homes that were burned to the ground as their neighbors were slaughtered, who were shot and blown up at a music festival, babies and elderly Holocaust survivors, peace activists who fought their whole lives for justice and reconciliation - the war would never have gotten this dire nor gone on for so long. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU WHO SPENDS YOUR TIME ONLINE HARASSING RANDOM JEWS AND DEHUMANIZING THE HOSTAGES AND ENABLING TERROR REGIMES IS COMPLICIT IN EXTENDING THIS HORROR AND THE BLOOD OF THE PEOPLE OF GAZA AND ISRAEL ALIKE HAS SPILLED BECAUSE OF IT.

what really makes me want to scream about this is the ones who are using real human lives as bargaining chips and symbols are the people fetishizing Palestinians and exploiting the war for their own self-righteous, selfish, often antisemitic ends. they do not see Palestinians as people. they do not see Israelis as people. they do not see Jews as people. they see this as some kind of game with a score that they have the right to tally, and dehumanization as their right to wield. how dare they speak of “propaganda” when they’re so lost in the quagmire of it that they see Jews trying to advocate for our loved ones’ lives and dismiss or denigrate it as symbolic violence?

it makes it hard to breathe. they will never understand or admit the depths of their cruelty or the damage they have done. they will never know how every single day our hearts are shattered.

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Friendly reminder that you're not required to publicly take sides in any geopolitical conflict you don't understand.

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This isn’t just distortion and/or inversion. It's usurpation.

I can't remember who said it first, but I saw someone on here call it colonization, and I don't think they were wrong.

It's the joy with which some pro-Palestine activists hurl terms like "genocide" and "Nazi" and "Holocaust" that gets me.

There is such a smugness to it. Like they couldn't wait to hit Israelis with those particular accusations. They couldn't wait to start drawing swastikas on their placards.

They absolutely know what they are doing by using those specific terms/words/symbols and applying them to Israel. They know and they enjoy doing it.

I've never seen that kind of behavior by activists with any other issue. The gleeful sadism of it.

I try to imagine left wing activists using the worst atrocities of another race or people's history against them like that and I just cannot. They would NEVER call black people (or black people of a particular nation) the "new slavemasters" to underscore their point, no matter what was going on in Sudan or Haiti or Zimbabwe. No white activist would ever dare put that on a sign. They'd understand that it would be abhorrent and racist. But when it's Jews and Israel, they seemingly could not wait to grab those terms from Jews and throw them back at them like grenades.

And these activists really consider themselves righteous.

It's the joy with which some pro-Palestine activists hurl terms like 'genocide' and 'Nazi' and 'Holocaust' that gets me. There is such a smugness to it. Like they couldn't wait to hit Israelis with those particular accusations. They couldn't wait to start drawing swastikas on their placards.

Anon isn't just describing slander. They're describing the gleeful and specific pleasure some activists take in throwing the worst Jewish trauma...at Jews.

Anon's right, it's not normal. We don't see this kind of behavior anywhere else.

Imagine going to a Rwandan genocide memorial with a sign calling Tutsis the new Hutus.

But with Jews? With Israel? They can't wait.

They act like they've been holding this in for years.

They treat Jewish trauma like a Halloween costume. They strip it of context, put it on for shock value, and dare anyone to call them out.

And they think it makes them righteous.

This phenomenon is called Moral Sadism: Deriving pleasure from the suffering of others when that suffering is inflicted under the guise of moral righteousness or judgment.

It uses morality as a justification for inflicting pain or punishment on others by judging others' actions/character as morally deficient. This can manifest as enjoying the downfall of those perceived as immoral or directly applying moral condemnation as a weapon to cause harm.

It's the weaponization of empathy for one group...in order to justify hatred against another.

When they accuse Jews of being the new Nazis...and they do it with a smile, a selfie, and a smug sense of moral superiority?

They're not just "criticizing a government." They're deliberately reaching into a cultural wound and twisting the knife.

They know what it means to Jews. That's why they say it. It's emotional warfare and they enjoy it.

Why Would Anyone Do That?

As Dara Horn writes, "people love dead Jews."

They love the morality tales, the museum exhibits, the tidy slogans like Never Again. They love Jews as symbols of abstract suffering as long as we stay in the past tense.

Once Jews become real people with a present, a country, moral agency and difficult decisions to make, Jews are too messy to play the role of sacred victims anymore. Our having a country, sovereignty, and national self-determination...breaks their image of us.

The Shoah gave Jews, for a time, a kind of moral capital. This wasn't because anyone envied the suffering, but because it branded Jews, for a while, as the ultimate victims in a global morality fable.

Never Again may have started as a Jewish cry, but it got universalized. Flattened. Marketed. Turned into a script where Jews became side characters in someone else's morality play.

And now, many activists resent that. They look at Jews and say: "You had your genocide. You had your sympathy. Now you're the problem."

They flip the script. They point to Israel and say "You're the Nazis now." They take the very language, symbols, and traumas of Jewish history and gleefully throw them at us.

This isn’t just distortion and/or inversion. It's usurpation.

They want the emotional power of the Holocaust. They want the symbolism, the drama, the righteous victimhood, but without the unpleasant pain, history, moral complexity, or Jewishness.

To them, it's just a costume. A meme. A weapon.

You can tell from the absurd things they say that they don't actually want to learn from Jewish suffering. They want to replace it.

They know what they are doing… and they enjoy doing it.

You're right. Maybe it was once clumsy and ignorant, but it isn't anymore. This is intentional, weaponized humiliation disguised as moral clarity.

That's what makes it feel different than other protest rhetoric.

It's not just hyperbole. It's not even just antisemitism. It's a kind of ritual shaming. Its a public exercise in stripping Jews of our moral legitimacy by using our own trauma against us.

They don't do this to other groups because they know it would be racist, grotesque, unthinkable. But they do it to Jews because they've decided we don't count as a vulnerable minority anymore.

We're "white adjacent." We have a state. We have the wrong kind of power. That makes us, in their eyes, fair game. They believe that when they attack Jews, they're punching up.

Since we're Jews (and not, for instance, Tibetans or Armenians or Rohingya), no one flinches when activists draw swastikas and yell "genocide" at us.

They get applause, likes, and invited to panel discussions.

Why It’s So Hard to Talk About

Many Jews struggle to explain this feeling. The revulsion, the shock, and the the moral dissonance. We've mostly been trained to see our trauma as historical, not current.

But this is happening now.

It's not just about being called names. It's about being ritually degraded in the public square...with the symbols of our greatest suffering...by people who think they're doing it for justice.

That's what's new. That’s what's different. That's what hurts.

It isn't any kind of political discourse, it's emotional cruelty masquerading as moral courage.

You can call it moral sadism, Holocaust inversion, weaponized empathy, or performative righteousness through humiliation.

What you can't call it is "activism."

If your activism requires the deliberate psychological violation of a minority's deepest trauma, it's not activism. It's just another kind of abuse.

We've been watching something dark unfold, and we're right to feel horrified by it.

Large, loud segments of the Western left have built a whole theater of virtue around righteous cruelty to Jews. It's grotesque, and we should be talking about it.

Thanks for the Ask, Anon.

ETA:

So I wrote this post and queued it, but before it went up, I got a great example of this I need to add.

Thank you, @scarrshell, for the excellent illustration and volunteering yourself as an example!

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i hate the idea that being pro-palestine must mean you’re anti-israel and vice versa

like? i am more pro-palestinian than most people who claim they’re pro-palestine. i listen to palestinian peace activists, i want a longstanding ceasefire and for palestinians to have a state.

so many pro-palestine folks are more anti-israel than anything to the point where they treat palestinian arab peace activists like they’re traitors falling in with “the zionist cause” or whatever. i am fucking pro-palestinian, i just also believe that israel shouldn’t be razed to the ground, that it should exist as a safe haven for jews.

antisemites shouldn’t get to dictate what/who is and isn’t pro-palestine

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Feeling spicy this morning so I'm gonna say it:

The way that people frame all Arabs as being equivalent to Palestinians with regards to Israel allows the dominant ethnic group in the region to launder their bigotry against a minority group that has been almost completely ethnically cleansed from the Middle East (save one specific state! guess which!) and present themselves as an oppressed group within the region, and I am extremely tired of this framing.

No, I do not need to "listen to Arabs" about Israel as if they have some unique authority on the subject, as if they have all been equally oppressed by the 7 million Jews in Israel as Palestinians have been, as if someone from Egypt, someone from Qatar, someone from Saudi Arabia, as if any one of the 400 million+ Arabs living across the MENA region is living under the oppression of Israeli Jews exactly as Palestinians are.

This is, plainly put, fucking stupid.

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Honestly, one of the biggest frustrations with ACAB etc is the lack of other options. I absolutely avoid calling the police, but at the same time, there are things where we just don't have anyone else to call.

An old coworker was relentlessly hounded at work because she admitted calling 911 and having a squad car sent because someone was stalking her on her way home from work and threatening her. People were so mad that she called the cops, but none of the Fuck 12 Anarchists were offering to walk her home.

There was briefly a "AnarchoCommunist Queer Security/Safety Cooperative" who you could call... if they had anyone taking calls at the moment and if any of them were available/willing to come. If not, I guess just be willing to get jumped for their moral superiority?

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wouldn’t it be so funny if we as normal americans reclaimed the american flag from the fascist “patriots” on the alt-right

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The silence from the humanitarian circles is deafening.

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Reasons why one party is attacking education at *every* level.

this is why you will never catch me in the anti-college movement

white people need it to know things

Anti-intellectualism will truly be the death of us

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which released israeli hostages do you take seriously and which do you dismiss/ignore to maintain your cognitive dissonance?

this is a question to ask the people laughing at their trauma & saying they deserved it for daring to be in their homeland