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Will it help to see these side by side so u understand whats being said lol
Like homophobia is present in any fan spaces that ship men with men. Generalizing everyone who has a certain image of a ship (which shockingly u disagree with) as homophobic bc some of the people who ship it are is a losing battle- and it comes off to most people capable of critical thinking as you/op/whoever just making a point to call it homophobic when it's really just something you don't enjoy that much.
Like trust I never go for any fan content that I believe micharacterizes or fails to understand the characters it's showing. But at the end of the day I'm not going to look at something I don't like and try and paint it all as homophobic rofl. Maybe I just get out enough that the stuff y'all are bitching over is a non-issue to me! Who knows! But personally I think that acting like not shipping something w t/b roles absolves you from homophobia is kinda braindead 💀💀 and I have every impression that that is what's been happening here
Reread what you've said and tell me it doesn't reek of "Im fine with gay people as long as they don't make it their whole personality"
Gay people like the "homophobic idea" u hate sm exist. There's not a single canon queer character in Naruto afaik. Bitching about the nature of how people represent ships and change characters instead of the fact that as individuals they are homophobic or won't recognize the depth of a character outside of how they see them in a ship isnt actually combatting homophobia. I don't like seeing representations of kakashi that change him and center everything about how he's drawn or written around him taking someone's dick. But if someone wants to lean into a more ~stereotypically gay~ way of showing him I'm not going to pretend I care. Thankfully we live in a day and age where you can filter what you see on the Internet 😱😱😱😱😱😱!!! If the person who is writing or drawing is homophobic it'll show through (I mentioned objectification and misogyny previously) but the action itself is. Obviously. Neutral 🥱
(adding this on but the way you decided to phrase "married to a mlm" is such an ick lol. It's not serious at all but while reading what u said I just verbally was like lol ew wtf when I read that part not even just bc it's u wanting to invoke idpol again but bc the phrasing is so strange LMAO😭😭😭😭😭😭)
regarding obikaka, i too find the ship so off putting because it's mostly for obito fans who don't even like kakashi but use him to make obito look superior by making kakshi weak or by having Kakashi constantly be sorry to Obito (for what exactly?). and I think canon itself lay the groundwork for that because obito is such a weak character with such weak motivations that kishi himself used kakashi to validate obito's non existent pain and motivations. It was insane seeing that whole flashback sequence of obito's childhood where his big under dog story is being in a one sided competition with a Kakashi and feeling inferior to Kakashi in his training and his crush on Rin meanwhile in the background Kakashi is shutting down after having to witness his father driven to suicide at age 6 by the village he has to continue to live in. Even Rin's death, on which obito's entire villain origin story hinges, is far more traumatic an experience for Kakashi than it can be for obito. And yet kishi writes adult Kakashi and obito with Kakashi completely racked with guilt and obito and everyone else, including Edo tensei Minato acting like that guilt or obito's weird self righteousness over kakashi's guilt is justified. Because obito's pain and villain origin story completely falls apart unless you have Kakashi specifically, who has objectively suffered far more without turning into a mass murder of innocent people, validate that pain and villain origin story. So obito fans are basically taking their cues from kishi when they continue to write exactly that in their fics and hcs and only use Kakashi as a means to validate obito and nothing else
Hi, sorry it took me awhile to answer this but there's a lot to unfold here so I needed a clear mind to answer it properly... Anyway,
No one in canon blamed Kakashi for what happened except Kakashi himself, everyone else including Obito, didn't think any of it was Kakashi's fault, yeah at first Obito was pretending that he blames Kakashi because he wanted Kakashi by his side when he achieves his goal, he was taking advantage of Kakashi's guilt to convert him exactly like Madara did to Obito using his pain to make him see how corrupted the world is and that there's no other way except Infinite Tsukuyomi but later he admitted that he never blamed Kakashi and that he knows the truth about Rin's death and that he even doesn't want Kakashi to suffer or keep feeling guilty, he just wants Kakashi to be happy too



Having said that, the way the toxic part of the Obikaka shippers and some of Obito fans are acting is not only making Kakashi way out of character, it's doing the same to Obito too, they aren't just ruining Kakashi's image, they are ruining Obito's too because like you, so many people ends up getting the wrong picture about Obito, and ends up hating him because of the way they are portraying him
Not only that canon Obito didn't blame Kakashi, canon Obito never looked down on Kakashi either, at first he was just pretending because he believed that it's the only way to make Kakashi see that his plan is the only way but he acknowledged the fact that Kakashi had the power and the means to kill him several times but he chose not to

In Obito's perfect dream world he didn't just want Kakashi by his side, he also acknowledged the fact that Kakashi is just as good and qualified as him and that he can easily be the Hokage too if he wants


So like I said, those types of toxic fans aren't only being unfair to Kakashi, they are being unfair to Obito too and are putting people off from the entire ship and from Obito too, they are forcing so many people to hate their favorite character and misunderstand him.
You know, this might sound a bit silly but I noticed that this type of shippers never tag things as Kakaobi, it's always Obikaka to them because they just can't stand the thought of Kakashi being on top lol, I always look at the tags of the Kakashi and Obito posts first, if I see the Kakaobi tag there, I immediately know that this person isn't part of the toxic fandom and by that I don't mean that everyone who tags posts as Obikaka is part of the toxic part of the fandom, no... I mean that the toxic part of the fandom hates the Kakaobi tag.
@loadbearinonion explained perfectly the mindset of this type of shippers, not just in the Obikaka fandom, in a lot of Kakashi ships when they make Kakashi a lot smaller and weaker than he actually is while making the other character so big and strong and perfect even tho in canon both of them are equal in size and strength and everything

This is not just sad, it's homophobic and disgusting.
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Yawn if u wanna play idpol I actually am mlm so we can shut that down real fast. Whats homophobic is deciding you're in any position to make sweeping generalizations about the nature of mlm relationships. It's clear some people are only bitcing Abt it bc they think that it's better that ~their ship~ doesn't have a clear/widely agreed upon top or bottom. Nitpicking fetishists who genuinely refuse to see ships outside of heteronormative roles is such an online thing. It refuses to acknowledge the framework within which people do that, and the broader issues like objectification and misogyny that fuel it. And bc of that it renders it just as pointless and stupid as the t/b discourse itself. Not switching or being strictly into certain roles in the bed is such a normal thing for gay men lmfao. Acting like putting distance between yourself and the fetishists that go hard over roles in bed means you're not just as capable of parroting the most straightforward homophobia ever is insane to me. Pretending that gay ships have to be sanitized by ignoring that it's totally normal for people to be into strict roles in bed (and the relationship that that type of shit has to the queer community as a whole mind u) doesn't do anything to combat homophobia in these spaces. It just creates a new and equally annoying breed of it.
Once I have access to a computer or phone that sucks less ass I'd be happy to get into this in more detail or talk directly (the way this site is organized makes me feel like I'm having an aneurysm) but tbh I think what I've said has been pretty straightforward this whole time. Keep in mind anything I've said has just been in response to all the stuff I've seen- not one person or thing in particular- so some of this might apply to u specifically and some may be about other people involved in the thread or broader trends I've seen in these fan spaces 🥱🥱🥱🥱
regarding obikaka, i too find the ship so off putting because it's mostly for obito fans who don't even like kakashi but use him to make obito look superior by making kakshi weak or by having Kakashi constantly be sorry to Obito (for what exactly?). and I think canon itself lay the groundwork for that because obito is such a weak character with such weak motivations that kishi himself used kakashi to validate obito's non existent pain and motivations. It was insane seeing that whole flashback sequence of obito's childhood where his big under dog story is being in a one sided competition with a Kakashi and feeling inferior to Kakashi in his training and his crush on Rin meanwhile in the background Kakashi is shutting down after having to witness his father driven to suicide at age 6 by the village he has to continue to live in. Even Rin's death, on which obito's entire villain origin story hinges, is far more traumatic an experience for Kakashi than it can be for obito. And yet kishi writes adult Kakashi and obito with Kakashi completely racked with guilt and obito and everyone else, including Edo tensei Minato acting like that guilt or obito's weird self righteousness over kakashi's guilt is justified. Because obito's pain and villain origin story completely falls apart unless you have Kakashi specifically, who has objectively suffered far more without turning into a mass murder of innocent people, validate that pain and villain origin story. So obito fans are basically taking their cues from kishi when they continue to write exactly that in their fics and hcs and only use Kakashi as a means to validate obito and nothing else
Hi, sorry it took me awhile to answer this but there's a lot to unfold here so I needed a clear mind to answer it properly... Anyway,
No one in canon blamed Kakashi for what happened except Kakashi himself, everyone else including Obito, didn't think any of it was Kakashi's fault, yeah at first Obito was pretending that he blames Kakashi because he wanted Kakashi by his side when he achieves his goal, he was taking advantage of Kakashi's guilt to convert him exactly like Madara did to Obito using his pain to make him see how corrupted the world is and that there's no other way except Infinite Tsukuyomi but later he admitted that he never blamed Kakashi and that he knows the truth about Rin's death and that he even doesn't want Kakashi to suffer or keep feeling guilty, he just wants Kakashi to be happy too



Having said that, the way the toxic part of the Obikaka shippers and some of Obito fans are acting is not only making Kakashi way out of character, it's doing the same to Obito too, they aren't just ruining Kakashi's image, they are ruining Obito's too because like you, so many people ends up getting the wrong picture about Obito, and ends up hating him because of the way they are portraying him
Not only that canon Obito didn't blame Kakashi, canon Obito never looked down on Kakashi either, at first he was just pretending because he believed that it's the only way to make Kakashi see that his plan is the only way but he acknowledged the fact that Kakashi had the power and the means to kill him several times but he chose not to

In Obito's perfect dream world he didn't just want Kakashi by his side, he also acknowledged the fact that Kakashi is just as good and qualified as him and that he can easily be the Hokage too if he wants


So like I said, those types of toxic fans aren't only being unfair to Kakashi, they are being unfair to Obito too and are putting people off from the entire ship and from Obito too, they are forcing so many people to hate their favorite character and misunderstand him.
You know, this might sound a bit silly but I noticed that this type of shippers never tag things as Kakaobi, it's always Obikaka to them because they just can't stand the thought of Kakashi being on top lol, I always look at the tags of the Kakashi and Obito posts first, if I see the Kakaobi tag there, I immediately know that this person isn't part of the toxic fandom and by that I don't mean that everyone who tags posts as Obikaka is part of the toxic part of the fandom, no... I mean that the toxic part of the fandom hates the Kakaobi tag.
@loadbearinonion explained perfectly the mindset of this type of shippers, not just in the Obikaka fandom, in a lot of Kakashi ships when they make Kakashi a lot smaller and weaker than he actually is while making the other character so big and strong and perfect even tho in canon both of them are equal in size and strength and everything

This is not just sad, it's homophobic and disgusting.
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So funny getting back on this app and immediately just having to see the most shit brained stereotypically tumblr type stuff. Like wow. The world is so crazy😭
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Not reading all this only skimming the bottom bc that's sooooo much yapping but I found the post linked to Google bc I was looking or obt pics for the trap phone's bg🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑
But to say more bc why not- acting like sexual preferences are completely disjointed from other aspects of someone's character and personality is always so fucking funny bc of how completely wrong it is. If you've been doing a lot of analysis/character breakdowns you should be able to hazard a guess to what they'd be into because of whatever else you know (if you care about analyzing that at all- but unless some character is openly uninterested in sex i think it's a part of analysis that would be weird to ignore given that sex is kind of a part of pretty much every person's lives. Maybe not op tho, I fear💀)
regarding obikaka, i too find the ship so off putting because it's mostly for obito fans who don't even like kakashi but use him to make obito look superior by making kakshi weak or by having Kakashi constantly be sorry to Obito (for what exactly?). and I think canon itself lay the groundwork for that because obito is such a weak character with such weak motivations that kishi himself used kakashi to validate obito's non existent pain and motivations. It was insane seeing that whole flashback sequence of obito's childhood where his big under dog story is being in a one sided competition with a Kakashi and feeling inferior to Kakashi in his training and his crush on Rin meanwhile in the background Kakashi is shutting down after having to witness his father driven to suicide at age 6 by the village he has to continue to live in. Even Rin's death, on which obito's entire villain origin story hinges, is far more traumatic an experience for Kakashi than it can be for obito. And yet kishi writes adult Kakashi and obito with Kakashi completely racked with guilt and obito and everyone else, including Edo tensei Minato acting like that guilt or obito's weird self righteousness over kakashi's guilt is justified. Because obito's pain and villain origin story completely falls apart unless you have Kakashi specifically, who has objectively suffered far more without turning into a mass murder of innocent people, validate that pain and villain origin story. So obito fans are basically taking their cues from kishi when they continue to write exactly that in their fics and hcs and only use Kakashi as a means to validate obito and nothing else
Hi, sorry it took me awhile to answer this but there's a lot to unfold here so I needed a clear mind to answer it properly... Anyway,
No one in canon blamed Kakashi for what happened except Kakashi himself, everyone else including Obito, didn't think any of it was Kakashi's fault, yeah at first Obito was pretending that he blames Kakashi because he wanted Kakashi by his side when he achieves his goal, he was taking advantage of Kakashi's guilt to convert him exactly like Madara did to Obito using his pain to make him see how corrupted the world is and that there's no other way except Infinite Tsukuyomi but later he admitted that he never blamed Kakashi and that he knows the truth about Rin's death and that he even doesn't want Kakashi to suffer or keep feeling guilty, he just wants Kakashi to be happy too



Having said that, the way the toxic part of the Obikaka shippers and some of Obito fans are acting is not only making Kakashi way out of character, it's doing the same to Obito too, they aren't just ruining Kakashi's image, they are ruining Obito's too because like you, so many people ends up getting the wrong picture about Obito, and ends up hating him because of the way they are portraying him
Not only that canon Obito didn't blame Kakashi, canon Obito never looked down on Kakashi either, at first he was just pretending because he believed that it's the only way to make Kakashi see that his plan is the only way but he acknowledged the fact that Kakashi had the power and the means to kill him several times but he chose not to

In Obito's perfect dream world he didn't just want Kakashi by his side, he also acknowledged the fact that Kakashi is just as good and qualified as him and that he can easily be the Hokage too if he wants


So like I said, those types of toxic fans aren't only being unfair to Kakashi, they are being unfair to Obito too and are putting people off from the entire ship and from Obito too, they are forcing so many people to hate their favorite character and misunderstand him.
You know, this might sound a bit silly but I noticed that this type of shippers never tag things as Kakaobi, it's always Obikaka to them because they just can't stand the thought of Kakashi being on top lol, I always look at the tags of the Kakashi and Obito posts first, if I see the Kakaobi tag there, I immediately know that this person isn't part of the toxic fandom and by that I don't mean that everyone who tags posts as Obikaka is part of the toxic part of the fandom, no... I mean that the toxic part of the fandom hates the Kakaobi tag.
@loadbearinonion explained perfectly the mindset of this type of shippers, not just in the Obikaka fandom, in a lot of Kakashi ships when they make Kakashi a lot smaller and weaker than he actually is while making the other character so big and strong and perfect even tho in canon both of them are equal in size and strength and everything

This is not just sad, it's homophobic and disgusting.
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The discourse is literally only homophobic if you have rocks for brains and fetishize gay men ( ie.... Youre already homophobic for other reasons.) If people want to let their character/relationship analysis inform how they think a character would act in bed there's nothing homophobic about it ijbol. Get a grip. Talk to real people. Touch grass 💀💀💀💀
regarding obikaka, i too find the ship so off putting because it's mostly for obito fans who don't even like kakashi but use him to make obito look superior by making kakshi weak or by having Kakashi constantly be sorry to Obito (for what exactly?). and I think canon itself lay the groundwork for that because obito is such a weak character with such weak motivations that kishi himself used kakashi to validate obito's non existent pain and motivations. It was insane seeing that whole flashback sequence of obito's childhood where his big under dog story is being in a one sided competition with a Kakashi and feeling inferior to Kakashi in his training and his crush on Rin meanwhile in the background Kakashi is shutting down after having to witness his father driven to suicide at age 6 by the village he has to continue to live in. Even Rin's death, on which obito's entire villain origin story hinges, is far more traumatic an experience for Kakashi than it can be for obito. And yet kishi writes adult Kakashi and obito with Kakashi completely racked with guilt and obito and everyone else, including Edo tensei Minato acting like that guilt or obito's weird self righteousness over kakashi's guilt is justified. Because obito's pain and villain origin story completely falls apart unless you have Kakashi specifically, who has objectively suffered far more without turning into a mass murder of innocent people, validate that pain and villain origin story. So obito fans are basically taking their cues from kishi when they continue to write exactly that in their fics and hcs and only use Kakashi as a means to validate obito and nothing else
Hi, sorry it took me awhile to answer this but there's a lot to unfold here so I needed a clear mind to answer it properly... Anyway,
No one in canon blamed Kakashi for what happened except Kakashi himself, everyone else including Obito, didn't think any of it was Kakashi's fault, yeah at first Obito was pretending that he blames Kakashi because he wanted Kakashi by his side when he achieves his goal, he was taking advantage of Kakashi's guilt to convert him exactly like Madara did to Obito using his pain to make him see how corrupted the world is and that there's no other way except Infinite Tsukuyomi but later he admitted that he never blamed Kakashi and that he knows the truth about Rin's death and that he even doesn't want Kakashi to suffer or keep feeling guilty, he just wants Kakashi to be happy too



Having said that, the way the toxic part of the Obikaka shippers and some of Obito fans are acting is not only making Kakashi way out of character, it's doing the same to Obito too, they aren't just ruining Kakashi's image, they are ruining Obito's too because like you, so many people ends up getting the wrong picture about Obito, and ends up hating him because of the way they are portraying him
Not only that canon Obito didn't blame Kakashi, canon Obito never looked down on Kakashi either, at first he was just pretending because he believed that it's the only way to make Kakashi see that his plan is the only way but he acknowledged the fact that Kakashi had the power and the means to kill him several times but he chose not to

In Obito's perfect dream world he didn't just want Kakashi by his side, he also acknowledged the fact that Kakashi is just as good and qualified as him and that he can easily be the Hokage too if he wants


So like I said, those types of toxic fans aren't only being unfair to Kakashi, they are being unfair to Obito too and are putting people off from the entire ship and from Obito too, they are forcing so many people to hate their favorite character and misunderstand him.
You know, this might sound a bit silly but I noticed that this type of shippers never tag things as Kakaobi, it's always Obikaka to them because they just can't stand the thought of Kakashi being on top lol, I always look at the tags of the Kakashi and Obito posts first, if I see the Kakaobi tag there, I immediately know that this person isn't part of the toxic fandom and by that I don't mean that everyone who tags posts as Obikaka is part of the toxic part of the fandom, no... I mean that the toxic part of the fandom hates the Kakaobi tag.
@loadbearinonion explained perfectly the mindset of this type of shippers, not just in the Obikaka fandom, in a lot of Kakashi ships when they make Kakashi a lot smaller and weaker than he actually is while making the other character so big and strong and perfect even tho in canon both of them are equal in size and strength and everything

This is not just sad, it's homophobic and disgusting.
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Im just going to use this in the same way I use twt until my court date but like omfg the mental Olympics 30 y/o women go thru to act holier than thou about yaoi😭😭😭😭😭 if u think it's weak and effeminate to bottom You Are The Homophobic One 💀💀💀
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this just in: gay people who have a preference for topping or for bottoming are homophobic and disgusting
regarding obikaka, i too find the ship so off putting because it's mostly for obito fans who don't even like kakashi but use him to make obito look superior by making kakshi weak or by having Kakashi constantly be sorry to Obito (for what exactly?). and I think canon itself lay the groundwork for that because obito is such a weak character with such weak motivations that kishi himself used kakashi to validate obito's non existent pain and motivations. It was insane seeing that whole flashback sequence of obito's childhood where his big under dog story is being in a one sided competition with a Kakashi and feeling inferior to Kakashi in his training and his crush on Rin meanwhile in the background Kakashi is shutting down after having to witness his father driven to suicide at age 6 by the village he has to continue to live in. Even Rin's death, on which obito's entire villain origin story hinges, is far more traumatic an experience for Kakashi than it can be for obito. And yet kishi writes adult Kakashi and obito with Kakashi completely racked with guilt and obito and everyone else, including Edo tensei Minato acting like that guilt or obito's weird self righteousness over kakashi's guilt is justified. Because obito's pain and villain origin story completely falls apart unless you have Kakashi specifically, who has objectively suffered far more without turning into a mass murder of innocent people, validate that pain and villain origin story. So obito fans are basically taking their cues from kishi when they continue to write exactly that in their fics and hcs and only use Kakashi as a means to validate obito and nothing else
Hi, sorry it took me awhile to answer this but there's a lot to unfold here so I needed a clear mind to answer it properly... Anyway,
No one in canon blamed Kakashi for what happened except Kakashi himself, everyone else including Obito, didn't think any of it was Kakashi's fault, yeah at first Obito was pretending that he blames Kakashi because he wanted Kakashi by his side when he achieves his goal, he was taking advantage of Kakashi's guilt to convert him exactly like Madara did to Obito using his pain to make him see how corrupted the world is and that there's no other way except Infinite Tsukuyomi but later he admitted that he never blamed Kakashi and that he knows the truth about Rin's death and that he even doesn't want Kakashi to suffer or keep feeling guilty, he just wants Kakashi to be happy too



Having said that, the way the toxic part of the Obikaka shippers and some of Obito fans are acting is not only making Kakashi way out of character, it's doing the same to Obito too, they aren't just ruining Kakashi's image, they are ruining Obito's too because like you, so many people ends up getting the wrong picture about Obito, and ends up hating him because of the way they are portraying him
Not only that canon Obito didn't blame Kakashi, canon Obito never looked down on Kakashi either, at first he was just pretending because he believed that it's the only way to make Kakashi see that his plan is the only way but he acknowledged the fact that Kakashi had the power and the means to kill him several times but he chose not to

In Obito's perfect dream world he didn't just want Kakashi by his side, he also acknowledged the fact that Kakashi is just as good and qualified as him and that he can easily be the Hokage too if he wants


So like I said, those types of toxic fans aren't only being unfair to Kakashi, they are being unfair to Obito too and are putting people off from the entire ship and from Obito too, they are forcing so many people to hate their favorite character and misunderstand him.
You know, this might sound a bit silly but I noticed that this type of shippers never tag things as Kakaobi, it's always Obikaka to them because they just can't stand the thought of Kakashi being on top lol, I always look at the tags of the Kakashi and Obito posts first, if I see the Kakaobi tag there, I immediately know that this person isn't part of the toxic fandom and by that I don't mean that everyone who tags posts as Obikaka is part of the toxic part of the fandom, no... I mean that the toxic part of the fandom hates the Kakaobi tag.
@loadbearinonion explained perfectly the mindset of this type of shippers, not just in the Obikaka fandom, in a lot of Kakashi ships when they make Kakashi a lot smaller and weaker than he actually is while making the other character so big and strong and perfect even tho in canon both of them are equal in size and strength and everything

This is not just sad, it's homophobic and disgusting.
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Fishing with the husband. Raw as fuck.
just some fluff obkk family
Art request #8. Fluff... family... okay! To me it sounds like a bittersweet Joubito AU. Inspired by Shippuuden ep. 683, in which kid Kakashi was fishing. I got a little too carried away :')

"Amazing..." They visited Kakashi's old house (shabby and dusty, but still standing) and found old fishing rods in the closet. Kakashi taught Obito how to fish and, a little later, how to cook their freshly caught trout.
And when the night fell, Kakashi dreamt of his father carrying him across the fields and telling stories of the Hatake clan, while Obito -- Obito couldn't sleep at all and was just staring out the window until the faint golden glow of early morning lit the sky. This is my final art request for now. You can still make requests via asks, but they might take me a long time :)
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Night laundry - based on Phlebotomy by @bluefisted
Ok, so I was so thoroughly charmed by this scene where vampire!Obito has to do his chores while also having to deal with his insomniac neighbor who reads smut and notices things. I didn't plan to make all of these panels but I couldn't stop. The whole fic is so so dark and amazing, go read it!
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bold move there, mate
does this count as a birthday present for this fictional character called Obito?
Imagine how embarassing it must be to give your special eye as a dying gift to someone you finally got along with and then turned out to be completely fine after. “Thanks for the eye, I kinda needed it!” “Haha, yeah I wish that rock crushed me completely.”
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👀 Early morning Obikaka cuddles? Quality. Potential doggos included? Even better if you're interested. <3 Otherwise, you're awesome and I hope you have an even awesome-er day.

kakashi my man please your dogs are starving they just wanna be fed
thank you all for the requests btw omg ToT I'll work my way through them but I can't guarantee I will get to everyone!
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